Comedian2019:
Different religions and denominations have different beliefs and understanding of the bible. So, just as you have yours, others have theirs.
You haven't quoted any of their books, yet you want us to believe you. This your right up is a very weak propaganda, not an intelligent work.
Get more training in writing rather than pursuing shadows.

livingchrist:
According to watch tower 'angels are spirits being who were the first creations of God' also has same nature with God.

And also according to watch tower 'Demons are angels who have turned evil by their choices'.
In all these, it is clear that demons are angels turned bad.

But there is an eye opener to all of these, If demons are Angels it means they have same nature with God.

The bible made references to devils as the one the as the gods pagans sacrificed to.
1 Corinthians 10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

Again the lie that Demons/Angels possesses same nature with God is clearly refuted by the bible.
Galatians 4:8
Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
From the above verses the gentiles did sacrifice or service to demons who by nature are no gods.
Note that devils are worshiped as God only because the worshippers were decieved to believe they are.
The devil is the God of this world because people worship him as such not because he is God, he is just a demon like the other fallen angels.

Why are men or even Angels called gods in the bible?
Moses was called a god, same as the judges of Israel because they were placed a higher position than the rest of humanity.
Same way, angels occupy a higher position than humans, hence are sometimes called gods.
But in all these, they do not posses same nature as God.

A Jehovah witness is decieved to believe Angels possesses same nature with God because angels are spirits, if that is the case then demons possesses same nature with God because they are spirits also, but the bible said they do not, which means, the fact that a being is a spirit, does not mean it has same nature with God.Since the nature of a being includes his abilities and character, Angels cannot have same nature with God.

One of God's character is holiness but only God is holy.
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

The nature of God makes him different from others that are called god's only he is truly God.
1 Corinthians 8:5
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
Angels, demons, men are no Gods but can either be assumed to be or figuratively referred to as God's.
Yahweh remains the only God by his nature.

Cc maximus, Dappa, barrister, janosky,peacefullove,haddeylium

DappaD:


@OP, concerning the topic of your thread, I don’t think it was Watchtower that inserted Scriptures like John 4:24, Psalm 104:4 and Hebrews 1:7 into your Bible so if you need the Scriptural backup of those claims, the aforementioned are your go-to.
The first says that God is a Spirit, the second and third scripture says that angels are spirits. So please do the addition and subtraction.




Oh so you now agree with Watchtower? How convenient.
For the sake of reference however, those reading can go and look up Genesis 6:2, 2Peter 2:4 & Jude 6 in whatever Bible translation let us see if the Watchtower are honest or not.



Psalm 8:5 says concerning the angels being “gods” or “godlike ones”[Elohim] who reside in heaven as God’s sons so please how will they not have the same nature as God? Job 1:6



Yes it’s no surprise because the Chief Apostate[who was an angelic son of God] sought and keeps seeking worship that doesn’t belong to him. John 8:44
Whereas the other faithful angels refused to be given any form of reverence or worship.
Judges 13:18, Revelation 19:10 compare Colossians 2:18
Even Jesus himself never sought worship because he never tried to become Jehovah’s rival. Philippians 2:6



Again, refer to Psalm 8:5.




Yes the same way Jesus was also a god(John 1:1) which means he is not the Almighty God too. John 17:3



Instead of saying Jehovah’s Witnesses are deceived, why not bring out the Scripture that negates what Psalm 103:20 & 2Peter 2:11 says about angels being mighty in power and strength like God?




So what are the angels looking for in the most holy place called heaven if they don’t possess God’s atrributes? Hebrews 10:19, Revelation 4:8



Thank you for the wonderful conclusion but you failed to address why you didn’t mention Jesus being a god just like angels and men(John 1:1) which means he’s not the true God? John 17:3

livingchrist:

Cc "Maximus" Dappa, barrister, janosky,peacefullove,haddeylium

SOFTENGR:

Op is confused. Don't waste your time replying him. We know their type. He must have been pursued from JWs. Instead of repenting and go back to his church, he is here trying to deceive us.

DappaD:

If I’m to get you correctly, you assume the OP was once a Jehovah’s Witness? That would be a resounding no because the least amongst us will school him badly if care is not taken.
I myself, am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, so excuse my narrative if it seemed to sound like I wasn’t.

livingchrist:
According to watch tower 'angels are spirits being who were the first creations of God' also has same nature with God.

And also according to watch tower 'Demons are angels who have turned evil by their choices'.

In all these, it is clear that demons are angels turned bad.

But there is an eye opener to all of these, If demons are Angels it means they have same nature with God.
The bible made references to devils as the one the as the gods pagans sacrificed to.

1 Corinthians 10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
Again the lie that Demons/Angels possesses same nature with God is clearly refuted by the bible.
Galatians 4:8
Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
From the above verses the gentiles did sacrifice or service to demons who by nature are no gods.
Note that devils are worshiped as God only because the worshippers were decieved to believe they are.
The devil is the God of this world because people worship him as such not because he is God, he is just a demon like the other fallen angels.
Why are men or even Angels called gods in the bible?
Moses was called a god, same as the judges of Israel because they were placed a higher position than the rest of humanity.
Same way, angels occupy a higher position than humans, hence are sometimes called gods.
But in all these, they do not posses same nature as God.
A Jehovah witness is decieved to believe Angels possesses same nature with God because angels are spirits, if that is the case then demons possesses same nature with God because they are spirits also, but the bible said they do not, which means, the fact that a being is a spirit, does not mean it has same nature with God.
Since the nature of a being includes his abilities and character, Angels cannot have same nature with God.
One of God's character is holiness but only God is holy.
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
The nature of God makes him different from others that are called god's only he is truly God.

1 Corinthians 8:5
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
Angels, demons, men are no Gods but can either be assumed to be or figuratively referred to as God's.
Yahweh remains the only God by his nature.
Cc maximus, Dappa, barrister, janosky,peacefullove,haddeylium

haddeylium:


My brothers have schooled you enough
Meditate on them silently.

Your problem is 'You don't even know what a nature'.
There exist only two nature' [b]The physical Nature (Materialized/Visible) and Spirit Nature (Unmaterialized/invisible)

All Human being posses the Physical nature' (that is Visible and Materialized body type). Your nature won't change even if you turn into a terrorist or hardened criminal). Your nature will still be physical.

God nature is [b]Spirit. He created all his angel spirit too(Unmaterialized/Invisible).
So, If some of his spirit Son rebel against him, that won't change their nature as a spirit just as a human that go rogue won't change Nature
[/b]
That enough for today!

haddeylium:


My brothers have schooled you enough
Meditate on them silently.

Your problem is 'You don't even know what a nature'.
There exist only two nature' The physical Nature (Materialized/Visible) and Spirit Nature(Unmaterialized/invisible)

All Human being posses the Physical nature' (that is Visible and Materialized body type). Your nature won't change even if you turn into a terrorist or hardened criminal). Your nature will still be physical.

God nature is Spirit[. He created all his angel spirit too(Unmaterialized/Invisible).
So, If some of his spirit Son rebel against him, that won't change their nature as a spirit just as a human that go rogue won't change Nature.

That enough for today!

DappaD:


@OP, concerning the topic of your thread, I don’t think it was Watchtower that inserted Scriptures like John 4:24, Psalm 104:4 and Hebrews 1:7 into your Bible so if you need the Scriptural backup of those claims, the aforementioned are your go-to.
The first says that God is a Spirit, the second and third scripture says that angels are spirits. So please do the addition and subtraction.

Oh so you now agree with Watchtower? How convenient.
For the sake of reference however, those reading can go and look up Genesis 6:2, 2Peter 2:4 & Jude 6 in whatever Bible translation let us see if the Watchtower are honest or not.



Psalm 8:5 says concerning the angels being “gods” or “godlike ones”[Elohim] who reside in heaven as God’s sons so please how will they not have the same nature as God? Job 1:6

Yes it’s no surprise because the Chief Apostate[who was an angelic son of God] sought and keeps seeking worship that doesn’t belong to him. John 8:44
Whereas the other faithful angels refused to be given any form of reverence or worship.
Judges 13:18, Revelation 19:10 compare Colossians 2:18
Even Jesus himself never sought worship because he never tried to become Jehovah’s rival. Philippians 2:6

Again, refer to Psalm 8:5.




Yes the same way Jesus was also a god(John 1:1) which means he is not the Almighty God too. John 17:3

Instead of saying Jehovah’s Witnesses are deceived, why not bring out the Scripture that negates what Psalm 103:20 & 2Peter 2:11 says about angels being mighty in power and strength like God?








So what are the angels looking for in the most holy place called heaven if they don’t possess God’s atrributes? Hebrews 10:19, Revelation 4:8



Thank you for the wonderful conclusion but you failed to address the readers why you didn’t mention Jesus being a god just like angels and men(John 1:1) which means he’s not the true God? John 17:3

livingchrist:

@bolded
Check the screen shot below.
It's from jw.org

livingchrist:

@bolded
Check the screen shot below.
It's from jw.org

livingchrist:
I choose what the bible teaches above any organisation or religion, the bible never err.
*1
Angels are spirits but they do not have same nature as God.



*2
same way humans are also describe as godlike or elohim, does it mean humans and God has same nature?



*3
Jesus never sought for worship because he made himself a servant.
Jehovah means I become whatever I want to be.
That is who Jesus made himself to be.
Next


*4
Not the same way, Jesus case is special, even God the father commanded all Angels to worship him.
Angels only worship or pay obeisance to God.
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.


The holiness of angels or men comes from God only God is inherently holy and righteous.
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

*4
Your Trinitarian TWISTING of Hebrews 1:6 is DUBIOUS.
Matthew 4:10, Jesus says his God did NOT command anybody to worship Jesus.

The Catholic Church, your Trinity mentors knows better.
Read Hebrews 1:6,( New Jerusalem Bible, the Catholic Church Official Bible),
Hebrews1:6
Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage
God says "pay homage to Jesus"
Roger that and RECEIVE SENSE

haddeylium:


Good, you're learning from the source.

Remember I said you didn't understand what nature means. Now, you're mixing it all up

Simply, In this context, Nature is the basic makeup or constitution of something
Now, use this definition as heading and go through it again.

To your misunderstanding, The English word Nature is polysemic (It's a word with different meaning) .

For instance;
Galatians 2:15(KJV)
We who are Jews by nature.
Pay attention, Some are said to be Jew by Nature. of course! They're humans like us possessing physical body/Material body. But here, it means they're Jew by Birth(Nature)
You catch the grip?
Same as why The Nature (Birth/Kind) of Animal is different from that of Humans. But their body Nature is Physical (Material/Visible)

Notice how I differentiate the two.
You're welcome

Janosky:


*1.
LYING dullard.
Phil 2:6. Form/ nature of God (spirit).
Opposite to Form of servant= form of man.
Compare Romans 8:3.


*2. LYING dullard.
1 Cor 8:5 gods in heaven= form of God (spirit).
Opposite to gods on earth= form of man.

*3[b].
Is Exodus 3:14-15, Matt 12:15-18 ,Matt 27:46 and Acts 3:13 in your Bible?

The God of Abraham is NOT a servant to anyone.
Every loyal creature is Jehovah's servant.
Isaiah 6:8.[/b]

*4
Your Trinitarian TWISTING of Hebrews 1:6 is DUBIOUS.
Matthew 4:10, Jesus says his God did NOT command anybody to worship Jesus.

The Catholic Church, your Trinity mentors knows better.
Read Hebrews 1:6,( New Jerusalem Bible, the Catholic Church Official Bible),
Hebrews1:6
Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage
God says "pay homage to Jesus"
Roger that and RECEIVE SENSE

livingchrist:
I choose what the bible teaches above any organisation or religion, the bible never err.
Angels are spirits but they do not have same nature as God.

same way humans are also describe as godlike or elohim, does it mean humans and God has same nature?

Jesus never sought for worship because he made himself a servant.

Jehovah means I become whatever I want to be.
That is who Jesus made himself to be.
Next

Not the same way, Jesus case is special, even God the father commanded all Angels to worship him.
Angels only worship or pay obeisance to God.
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship pay homage to him.

The holiness of angels or men comes from God only God is inherently holy and righteous.
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

livingchrist:
Angels only pay homage to God no other being for angels to pay homage to Jesus it means Jesus is God Almighty

livingchrist:
Angels only pay homage to God no other being for angels to pay homage to Jesus it means Jesus is God Almighty

Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

[b] Enemy of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Slave of Trinity GIBBERISH

MaxInDHouse:


@bolded your own PERSONAL conclusion which shouldn't be forced on others!

DappaD:


“Nature” according to Merrian-Webster dictionary means the inherent character[features, qualities] or basic consitution of a person or thing.

At John 4:24, Jesus who knew his Father more than anybody(Matthew 11:27) stated that Jehovah is a Spirit who has a vast number of beautiful qualities and attributes such as humility and mightiness. 2Samuel 22:36, Psalm 147:5
The angels whom the Bible describes as spirits also exhibit some of these qualities which means they have the same nature as God.
Psalm 103:20, Revelation 19:10

I noticed how for ages now, you have been running from 2Peter 1:4 which states that anointed Christians will share divine nature as well. May I ask why you always run away from that Scripture?




Nah I think your logic doesn’t work well in your favour. Your question should be tailored this way:
“Does the fact that Jesus is being described as a god make him equal to God”? John 1:1




Is that so? So after Jesus ascended to heaven, why did he still remain a Servant? Acts 3:13



“I will Become What I Choose to Become” (Exodus 3:14) is just telling you that Jehovah can switch roles with ease and nothing can hinder the outworking of his will and purpose.
Isaiah 46:10
It doesn’t mean that God can metamorphosize into any and anyhow form after all Jesus has already made it clear to us that God exists as a Spirit. John 4:24

For the sake of his purpose he can become a Disciplinarian. Jeremiah 30:11
Then if it suits him, he can then become a loving Shepherd. Psalm 23:1
And at other times, he can be a Powerful & Mighty Warrior. Psalm 24:8
In the case of the Israelites, he proved to be both a Deliverer(Exodus 20:2) and a Mighty Warrior. Exodus 15:3



I hope you’re aware that prayer is a form of worship? Matthew 6:9
So when Jesus was praying to somebody on the night before his death, which is fully recorded at John chapter 17, who was he rendering worship to? Compare Matthew 4:10, Hebrews 5:7,8



No point made here. You won’t just admit that you have a crush on Jehovah’s Witnesses and you admire the way in which we are skilled with God’s Word. Ephesians 6:17
But as usual, it’s pride and arrogance that gets the best of people(James 4:6) even after they’ve observed and taken note of all the positive fruits that Jehovah’s holy spirit has accomplished in our group. Zechariah 4:6, Galatians 5:22,23

Janosky:

The Slaves of Trinity GIBBERISH wan force Jesus Christ & everyone else to swallow their man made GIBBERISH.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't even see what he's trying to say here!

God = SPIRIT
Angels = SPIRITS
So what exactly is he trying to say gangan?

livingchrist:
Demons are spirits yet the bible said they are not God by nature.

livingchrist:
Demons are spirits yet the bible said they are not God by nature.

livingchrist:
according to the screen shot below man and animals do not have the same nature.

Janosky:

You too Mumu, Bros.

livingchrist:
[s]according to the screen shot below man and animals do not have the same nature.[/s]

DappaD:


So in your village, animals were made in God’s image abi? Haddeylium already explained in detail that the word “nature” has several meanings so why are you quoting the one that means something else even when it doesn’t help in your argument?

livingchrist:
The basic make up of man and animals body is flesh, but yet all flesh are not the same hence the basic nature of man and animal body are not the same.

1 Corinthians 15:39
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.