LordIsaac:
Nice piece.

Enskynelson:
Great piece.
However, if you are commissioned or your vision is to build Churches all over the world how are u going to cope moving from countries to countries and continents to continents? I don't see anything flamboyant about a General Overseer whose Church has branches in about 198 countries of the world having a private jet.
Billy Graham's vision (or God-given assignment) if it were to have Churches all over the world cannot do much if he had operated the way he did while alive.

ZinoFasisi:


Alaye park well, how many times these G.O.s leave headquarters?

Jet is totally unnecessary talk less of some have 3 or 4, for what exactly

Enskynelson:

How many times? Try and find out how many times some travel out of Nigeria in a year. Since u seem to know, u can let us know the exact number of times.
The OP comparing a ministry that owns no Church to other ministries that have Churches is not right. An evangelist is different from a Pastor. Billy Graham was an Evangelist. OP should stop comparing how he achieved his goals with how pastors did.

ZinoFasisi:


Bros, the question is, what do they need private jets for?

Not 1 or 2 sef, some have 3, 4.

Enskynelson:

How many times? Try and find out how many times some travel out of Nigeria in a year. Since u seem to know, u can let us know the exact number of times.
The OP comparing a ministry that owns no Church to other ministries that have Churches is not right. An evangelist is different from a Pastor. Billy Graham was an Evangelist. OP should stop comparing how he achieved his goals with how pastors did.

Enskynelson:

I don't know of the 2,3,4. But before you ask why General Overseers have private jets, go and find out their work schedule for a year! Don't just sit in your house with no information and expect yourself to have a good judgement. I remembered Apostle Johnson Suleman once criticised those that have private jets. When his ministry grew, same him came on to apologise that he never knew until he was in some situations and wished he had one. I watched the video.

bixton:



Please answer this question.......
You spoke about their work schedule

How great is their work schedule compared to that of Apostles Peter and Paul

Enskynelson:

Are u serious with the question or u are being sarcastic?
Apostle Paul had several missionary journey that if there were jets then and he had one, he would have achieved more!
Agree with me that to Christians, Church is a serious business. In fact, the Bible makes us to understand that winning soul is the great commission. If Dangote whose business is not serious to Christians as to winning souls NEED a jet to facilitate his business, how much more a General Overseer. Your problem and the problem of many other person's is that, they see private jet as luxury. Yes, you are right. It is a luxury but to only those who it doesn't seem an essential property to help facilitate the business.
Some real Men Of God don't get good sleep, they are up praying for many hours all day. Some fast for most days of the year. They don't even have time for their family. The have Branches all over the world to oversee... Just imagine any franchise of such and the CEO has a private jet. Would u consider it a luxury?

Enskynelson:

I don't know of the 2,3,4. But before you ask why General Overseers have private jets, go and find out their work schedule for a year! Don't just sit in your house with no information and expect yourself to have a good judgement. I remembered Apostle Johnson Suleman once criticised those that have private jets. When his ministry grew, same him came on to apologise that he never knew until he was in some situations and wished he had one. I watched the video.

CodeTemplar:




How many church branch has he got? and in how many nation are they in?

bixton:



Read your Bible very well and maybe if you've got the spirit to discern you'll understand the question I asked you..........


Do you not know that Jesus and any of His disciples could have chosen to ride on chariots of horses to go about doing this same business of God but did in the way as written in the Scriptures.......


It's not the jet that conveys the message of God.

Maybe having a jet is of necessity but looking at the way it's been used says it's a luxury.

Enskynelson:

RCCG has Churches in about 170 countries of the world! Nigeria alone has over 23,000 parishes. As a General Overseer who sees growing Churches as the vision of the Church, how do you want to remain like Billy Graham did?
Note that I am not supporting all Pastors having jet(s). Sometimes, we fail to imagine the task before them (some of them).

Enskynelson:

I get your point. It is true the disciples achieved a lot without jets and the equal as in their days but note that however even in their days, Paul achieved much more because he was able to move (check Paul's Missionary Journey). Every person have their vision.
Let me ask u this. Do u think it is a luxury for a Church that has branches in about 170 countries to have a jet to facilitate their work? Why on Earth do we all see jet as luxury especially when the work demands such to make it efficient? Is it the buying it that's a luxury or u see seating in a jet as an enjoyment? I have a different view sincerely. To me, luxury is not just anything expensive but something expensive that you don't really need or not so important. Do u think a jet will make their work more efficient or not? Do you see any need for it or not? That's the question. Real Pastors don't have time for enjoyment. The don't enjoy food (spends many days of the year fasting). They don't enjoy sleep (stay up to pray every nights)... Have u asked yourself how the real men of God cope with the enormous work?

CodeTemplar:
I am asking about suleman. How many branches and nations does he cover?

bixton:



There's a reason I keep saying read your Bible well....

A church has 170 branches ............and the G.O deems it fit to appoint other pastors to stay as resident pastors and each local branch have their own executives even to executives based on zones/districts.........

Now the real question is with all this setup who truly is the CEO of the church?
Who supervises the church.....the pastor or the God?
Or you still think a church business can be likened to that of dangote business.....

I do not know what you mean by efficiency of jet usage!!!!! Like I asked, is it the jet that carries the message of God or the man?

Do you know how many people God will use the pastor to minister to of he enters a public plane even if he books the VVIP section?


I do not know how they cope to do God's work. All I know is that men are vessels to do God's work. Do you know how John the Baptist coped in the wilderness eating honey and carmel meat to do God's work?
Do you know how Prophet Elijah coped in doing God's work when he was fed by God with meat through ravens.........

You said Paul achieved much because he moved......what was he mode of movement,.,...., simply put as a commoner. Just the same way Christ Jesus did.


Do you not think they could also have used chariots of horses which I would say is the fastest on land or even own a ship of their own if they were to go on sea.........at least just to facilitate the work as you put it

Enskynelson:

Owning? Stop generalizing. Some remain the properties of the Church and not the Pastor's. If a General Overseer must visit to see to different programmes, in a year, the schedules are always too much that if a commercial airliner mess u up, no one will tell u to pray or wish the ministry has a jet. Flying in a jet is luxury if your purpose flying it is to catch fun. I don't see anything luxury about what genuine Pastors do. They don't even enjoy anything on Earth here. The things you all think they are enjoying, they don't even have time for them in a way you all think.
Evangelism in a commercial liner is fine. But there's when the schedule does not permit such. Also, stop thinking that the fact that 'they own' a jet means they will not fly commercial at all again. It's not.

bixton:



When a GO dies then you'll know if that jet is church property or personal property. I see you keep mentioning geninue pastor.

I do not know what you mean by enjoyment. Nevertheless If they don't enjoy anything here on earth then let's see how many of them will give their riches to the very less privilege in their church.

The best enjoyment anyone can have is to have Christ Jesus in one's life.

Happy New Month of March. May the windows of heaven be open to you and yours to receive special and unique blessings and favour from God in Jesus name, Amen.

bixton:



There's a reason I keep saying read your Bible well....

A church has 170 branches ............and the G.O deems it fit to appoint other pastors to stay as resident pastors and each local branch have their own executives even to executives based on zones/districts.........

Now the real question is with all this setup who truly is the CEO of the church?
Who supervises the church.....the pastor or the God?
Or you still think a church business can be likened to that of dangote business.....

I do not know what you mean by efficiency of jet usage!!!!! Like I asked, is it the jet that carries the message of God or the man?

Do you know how many people God will use the pastor to minister to of he enters a public plane even if he books the VVIP section?


I do not know how they cope to do God's work. All I know is that men are vessels to do God's work. Do you know how John the Baptist coped in the wilderness eating honey and carmel meat to do God's work?
Do you know how Prophet Elijah coped in doing God's work when he was fed by God with meat through ravens.........

You said Paul achieved much because he moved......what was he mode of movement,.,...., simply put as a commoner. Just the same way Christ Jesus did.


Do you not think they could also have used chariots of horses which I would say is the fastest on land or even own a ship of their own if they were to go on sea.........at least just to facilitate the work as you put it

Enskynelson:

OP is not asking about Apostle Johnson Suleman. Get that. OP is comparing a televangelist with a Pastor. And Evangelist is different from a Pastor. It's a general comparison. He didn't mention any Pastor forgetting that some actually need such.

Enskynelson:

Apostle Paul used ship where necessary. He didn't have to trek everyday distance from country to country.
Eating locusts bean in the wilderness... That was a place of preparation and not along his way of preaching to people. Believe me, many have achieved more than John the Baptist in the modern time.

bixton:



Let's not argue further.....
Study the Scripture very well as to the positions of what role an apostle/evangelist, pastor, prophet, teacher, bishop .....all plays in the church.


Don't bother about going through a dictionary or encyclopedia. Search the Scripture very well. The best dictionary to God's Word is in His Word.

bixton:



Let's not argue further.....
Study the Scripture very well as to the positions of what role an apostle/evangelist, pastor, prophet, teacher, bishop .....all plays in the church.


Don't bother about going through a dictionary or encyclopedia. Search the Scripture very well. The best dictionary to God's Word is in His Word.