Illimitable:


On Saturday when City played West Ham, this was their bench.....

Sterling $68m
Jesus $38m
Steffen $10m
Laporte $79m
Rodrigo $87m
Bernardo $60m
Mendy $72m
Cancelo $84m

If you can show/tell me anytime under Woodward we have had such a powerful bench while playing against a PL team, I owe you $100.




He bailed us out against Burnley & Fulham.

BARAJ92:
All our high scoring match, this season, Pogba has not been involved. We lost against Sheffield United, Arsenal, Tottenham and even Crystal Palace with Pogba on the field. We have also played some drabless draw with him on the field.
Having good ball playing skills, Pogba might have better ball playing skills but his influence on the field is not different from that of Mctominay and Fred.

handelex:
So apparently Rashford has been playing with a shoulder injury that requires surgery after the Euros

Out of the top five players that have played the most minutes in the league this season, 4 is ours[Maguire, Fernandes, Bissaka, Rashford].

OGS for all his good man management absolutely runs his players into the ground, no wonder they all seem burnt out and bereft of ideas.

Bruno looks a shadow of himself, Rashford just recovered from a stress fracture not long ago and is already carrying another shoulder injury and he's still being played heavily.

If care is not taken and with our atrocious form, getting top 4 will be a real battle. With Amaka at the helm, anything is possible bottling included.
I fear that more disappointment is coming.

patrickmuf:
Then the argument should be that we have not spent wisely, rather foolishly...I agree we need an experienced DoF but that doesn't take away the fact that even Ole has been supported to a large extent...

The fee we paid for Maguire, Wan-Bissaka and James could easily have gotten you 4 very good players who do not come with the hype...Ferran Torres was relatively cheap, so was Zichenko, Foden is an academy product...In fact, most of City buys are within the 50m benchmark or thereabout but if you look at our squad, you'd see we have a number of player we bought above 50m but you can't compare their output with that of their City counterparts...

You can imagine spending 80m on a CB yet we are still talking of signing a quality CB that's utter ridiculous...In midfield, Pogba, Fred and Bruno cost over 200m yet they can't play together and what about VDB, he was signed to provide cover in midfield yet we still persist with McFred...In attack, Martial is on 250k for doing what exactly? Rashford? Even Greenwood seems to have stagnated compared to Foden who is improving every other match day...Do they have the talent? I will say 'Yes' in the affirmative so, what's the problem? The manager, we do not have an identity even after he has spent 2 years here...

I looked at the team we put out against Palace and thought we had no excuse not to win that game...We can criticize the amount we paid for players and I wouldn't have no qualms but not to say we haven't spent...This season, we took just 1 point from a possible 6 from Crystal Palace, that's 5 points dropped against a team not in anyway better than us...Against Sheffield, we lost 1 and won 1, that's 3 points dropped...Against West Brom, we dopped 2 points...At other times, we dropped points late in the game against Leicester and Everton...You can see that the difference between us and Manchester City will easily be less than 4 points if we didn't drop points against teams we should be beating and whilst they're off days and fluke results are possible, ours is just too many you have to notice it...

Certainly, West Brom, Sheffield, Palace do not havs better players but we dropped points against them because we approached the canes like we were comfortably ahead and Ole just sat there looking at them play with no urgency whatsoever...

afrodoc2:


This is similar to what happened with JM. We focus all our attention on one sector and start criticising only that sector as if changing just one part will solve all our problems.

Moyes, LVG, JM, Amaka. 4 different managers with 2 of them being legendary managers. We changed them one after the other but not much has changed.

The only constants in all these have been the Glazers and Woodward. They are the only ones who have been here while we changed manager, players, training staff and still got unsatisfactory results.

It is not by just spending money but spending money wisely. City will spend 50m on a player worth 45-60m but United will spend 50m on a player worth 20m and 80m on a player worth 45m.

The time I heard we were interested in AWB it took me only 10 mins of YouTube videos to warn people here that he will struggle in a top team but Woodward approved 50m for him.

In an era in which top teams are playing with high lines Woodward approved 80m on a slow defender worth nothing more than 40-45m and who had only ever played in a low block all his life.

It is about the true quality of the player not the fee that a mugu paid for him. If you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig. If you like pay 100m for Bakayoko he won’t magically change to Zidane.

I always go back to United showing interest in Gabriel Barbosa at the same time City was showing interest in Gabriel Jesus. We have blind men scouting and assessing players for us.

We should not belabour the fact that Amaka is a mediocre manager. We all know that, however our problems run deeper than that.

ChristineC:

..but this Chelsea under Tuchel you are extolling has done nothing. they've beaten meme teams and everybody expected the wins, albeit they were edging it through penalties anyways.
their first proper opponent this weekend and they've dropped points. I guess we'll see how weighty this eulogy is over the few upcoming games.

patrickmuf:
You're trying to be clever by a half, dropping their fees in dollars rather than pounds...

patrickmuf:

Man City squad for the season cost £810.9m whilst ours cost £628.1m...Taking into context that we have McTominay, Rashford, Tuanzebe and Greenwood in our squad who are academy graduates, you'd see that the £182m difference amounts to nothing...

patrickmuf:

For emphasis, Liverpool Squad that won the UCL and EPL in the past 2 seasons cost way less than City and United just incase you want to limit the argument to amount spent only...

Uniquisite:
Everything go burst on Sunday Evening.. Away unbeaten run will end as well

Uniquisite:
Everything go burst on Sunday Evening.. Away unbeaten run will end as well

Uniquisite:
Everything go burst on Sunday Evening.. Away unbeaten run will end as well

afrodoc2:


This is similar to what happened with JM. We focus all our attention on one sector and start criticising only that sector as if changing just one part will solve all our problems.

Moyes, LVG, JM, Amaka. 4 different managers with 2 of them being legendary managers. We changed them one after the other but not much has changed.

The only constants in all these have been the Glazers and Woodward. They are the only ones who have been here while we changed manager, players, training staff and still got unsatisfactory results.

It is not by just spending money but spending money wisely. City will spend 50m on a player worth 45-60m but United will spend 50m on a player worth 20m and 80m on a player worth 45m.

The time I heard we were interested in AWB it took me only 10 mins of YouTube videos to warn people here that he will struggle in a top team but Woodward approved 50m for him.

In an era in which top teams are playing with high lines Woodward approved 80m on a slow defender worth nothing more than 40-45m and who had only ever played in a low block all his life.

It is about the true quality of the player not the fee that a mugu paid for him. If you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig. If you like pay 100m for Bakayoko he won’t magically change to Zidane.

I always go back to United showing interest in Gabriel Barbosa at the same time City was showing interest in Gabriel Jesus. We have blind men scouting and assessing players for us.

We should not belabour the fact that Amaka is a mediocre manager. We all know that, however our problems run deeper than that.

handelex:
So apparently Rashford has been playing with a shoulder injury that requires surgery after the Euros

Out of the top five players that have played the most minutes in the league this season, 4 is ours[Maguire, Fernandes, Bissaka, Rashford].

OGS for all his good man management absolutely runs his players into the ground, no wonder they all seem burnt out and bereft of ideas.

Bruno looks a shadow of himself, Rashford just recovered from a stress fracture not long ago and is already carrying another shoulder injury and he's still being played heavily.

If care is not taken and with our atrocious form, getting top 4 will be a real battle. With Amaka at the helm, anything is possible bottling included.
I fear that more disappointment is coming.

Hahahaha.... you better fasten ya seat belt

MRTA7:
All I know is if Ole gets a contract extension I'm done with the club.

LostMyZeal:

Mehnn...this thread has become very dry all of a sudden...guess everyone is fed up with Ole at the helm. 
Y'all relax ...the final nail in the coffin is being forged by a reputable blacksmith  
It will be delivered on sunday by the time we meet our bluuu neighbors

Uniquisite:


Whenever i imagine McFred against the press of Man city, I shiver!

<sup>We beat them with McFred before tho
The ish now is no coach wants to play into Ole's counter-attacking hands anymore.
And what's even more scary is the top4 Vision seems blurry because majority of our players are either worn out or hit by injuries here & there.

Ole have overused them just to keep himself on the job and now the team dun reach point of diminishing returns

#BlameOle</sup>

Uniquisite:


Whenever i imagine McFred against the press of Man city, I shiver!

patrickmuf:
I am not disputing the fact that Woodward and Matty are incompetent but looking at the squad we have and the games we have faltered this season, I'm sure you agree that we shouldn't be 14 points behind City? West, Palace and Sheffield is 10.pts all together when in all honesty we should be beating them...

I'll also like to think Ole recommends players to the board and not the other way around. At some point we were linked to Longstaff and it's during Ole reign we signed Maguire, AWB and James...That points to someone who thinks the club has to have some core British guys playing here and that points to Ole...Away from the price, I can't see past his recommendation of those names...You wonder if they don't have all the available data tol use when making assessments of players...

Illimitable:


What difference does that make? Put United’s own in dollars or naira & it won’t amount to the aforementioned list.



And there lies the point. City have had a better academy system(since their new owners arrived) known as Elite Development Squad and yet only Foden could make the leap from the academy to their senior team.

United, however, have already pushed low quality youths to their senior team to fill up the quota. We have Rashford, Tuanzebe, McTominay, Greenwood, Amad, Shoretire, etc. None of these players except Rashford would make City’s squad.

When Pep arrived at City, all we kept hearing was that he was going to take their academy players to the next level like he did at Barca. It’s been almost 5 years and Foden is the only academy product he’s developed in that period. Pep buys finished products unlike the rotten system United have - promoting low quality graduates to fill in the ‘homegrown’ quota.



Liverpool also invested in a quality starting XI. Trent Alexander Arnold is the only academy graduate in their senior team. United have 6 or 7 of those in theirs of which only one(Rashford) is quality.

And you can see that Liverpool’s strategy proved to be unsustainable when an injury to Van Dijk alone destroyed their ambition as they fell from 1st position to 7th. If they had a monster squad like City’s where every centre half cost more than £50m, they wouldn’t be in their present predicament.

You have proven my point by citing Liverpool and you failed to show me a United bench in a PL game that was as rich in quality as the one I listed. You missed a huge opportunity to be $100 richer this morning.

What a chance!!!

KingTom:

I remember when I said this, was bombarded with a lot of insults... we move sha

patrickmuf:
Greenwood isn't quality just because he is coached by Ole...Before this season, who will put Foden beside Greenwood especially after his performances last season? What changed? One plays in a system that works, one plays for a team that depends on magic for anything to happen...Put Greenwood at City and Foden at United and let's see if Foden will stand a chance...

patrickmuf:

What makes City academy better? The 'Elite' attached to it? Lol...

patrickmuf:

If Torres, Foden and Jesus are first teamers at City, Greenwood will definitely make it there...And for your info, I have seen relatively unknowns make City bench and even played (Delap's son and a couple of other come to mind), which totally invalidates your assessment of United just because Shoretire made the squad and even then, it's our tradition...

patrickmuf:

The Liverpool line doesn't cut it, for emphasis, VVD, Gomez and Matip are all out injured, that's equivalent to City having Laporte, Dias and Stones all out...Remember, Dias was only signed when Pep saw Laporte was having difficulty recovering fully and staying match fit juxtapose that with VVD who has been an ever present for Liverpool before now, did you expect Klopp to splash the cash for another CB just for the sake of it? Hell no! Even Pep doesn't buy for the fun of it except a starter is struggling...

patrickmuf:

As much as Liverpool have missed VVD and others in defense, you have to also acknowledge that they're struggling in attack...We have scored more goals than Liverpool even though Martial and Greenwood have been off form that alone should tell how bad the situation is at Anfield...

patrickmuf:

As for the $100, look around you, they must be someone that needs it more...I'm quite comfortable where I am...