Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ taught His followers to bow to now man.

In fact He commanded them against clinging to the traditions and rules of men as they serve to invalidate the power of God over the lives of those who practice them.

spartan117:

Also, Jesus Christ commanded His followers against following the commandments of men(traditions).

Mark 7:7-13(King James Version)

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7. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11. But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Kobojunkie:
You call it respect bit Jesus Christ calls it sin. So who's commandments do you follow. Men's or Jesus Christ's?

Am not too wise. Can you please clarify your statement.

Odoogu:


Am not too wise. Can you please clarify your statement.

Read it for yourself..

Mark 7:7-13(King James Version)

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7. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11. But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Kobojunkie:

Also, Jesus Christ commanded His followers against following the commandments of men(traditions).

How does all you wrote relate to kneeling to greet an elder and mentor?
Pls enlighten me I want to learn

spartan117:

How does all you wrote relate to kneeling to greet an elder and mentor?
Pls enlighten me I want to learn

1. Kneeling down to greet whomever you choose is a tradition/commandments of men.

2. Jesus Christ declared the honoring of traditions/commandments (including doctrines) of men a sin

3. Even more, Jesus Christ warns that this particular sin nullifies the power of God in your life.

Mark 7:7-13(King James Version)

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7. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11. But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Kobojunkie:


1. Kneeling down to greet whomever you choose is a tradition/commandments of men.

2. Jesus Christ declared the honoring of traditions/commandments (including doctrines) of men a sin

3. Even more, Jesus Christ warns that this particular sin nullifies the power of God in your life.

Going by what you wrote greeting someone hello is also a tradition of men, hence a sin lol.

In the meantime let's assess the state of your nose due to constantly telling lies

spartan117:

Going by what you wrote greeting someone hello is also a tradition of men, hence a sin lol.

In the meantime let's assess the state of your nose due to constantly telling lies

Dont confuse me for the person of Jesus Christ. He is the one who gave you the commandment and the one you should answer to, not me.

I don't even say "Good morning" to those who live with me(even to my mum), and the world has not crashed down on me as a result. And since Jesus Christ declares that traditions of men are sin, why would you hesitate as one who believes Him to do as He says?

Why would you risk your worship of Him being rendered vain just so you can cling to obeying your traditions (commandments of men) instead?

Mark 7:7-13(King James Version)

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7. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11. But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Would you rather say "Hello" and risk invalidating the power of God in your life or will you forgo all traditions so you can instead enjoy the power of God in your life? That ought to be the question you should ask yourself there.

Kobojunkie:
Dont confuse me for the person of Jesus Christ. He is the one who gave you the commandment and the one you should answer to, not me.

I dont even say "Good morning" to those who live with me and the world has not crashed down on me as a result. And since Jesus Christ declares that traditions of men are sin, why would hesitate as one who believes Him to do as He says?


Would you rather say "Hello" and risk invalidating the power of God in your life or will you forgo all traditions so you can instead enjoy the power of God in your life? That ought to be the question you should ask yourself there.

Hahahahaha Dude you are funny oo

Are you not tired of your life in it's current state? It's time to accept Jesus, he still loves you no time for argument.

spartan117:

Hahahahaha Dude you are funny oo

Are you not tired of your life in it's current state? It's time to accept Jesus, he still loves you no time for argument.

You mean I should adopt the commandments of men, against the commandment of Jesus Christ, a sin against God, and continue in the pretence that I somehow belong to Jesus Christ? Isn't that what hypocrisy is sort of about - pretending to be that which you are not?

Jesus Christ has spoken(2000 year's ago as a matter of fact), if you still have not made the decision to obey Him over there rules of men, are you sure you belong to Hi Either Jesus Christ is a liar here or you are. So did Jesus Christ lie when he declared that the observance of the commandments of men a sin against God?

Kobojunkie:
You mean I should adopt the commandments of men, against the commandment of Jesus Christ, a sin against God, and continue in the pretence that I somehow belong to Jesus Christ? Isn't that what hypocrisy is sort of about - pretending to be that which you are not?

Jesus Christ has spoken(2000 year's ago as a matter of fact), if you still have not made the decision to obey Him over there rules of men, are you sure you belong to Hi Either Jesus Christ is a liar here or you are. So did Jesus Christ lie when he declared that the observance of the commandments of men a sin against God?

Alright you can stick to your views. Good night sir.

Kobojunkie:
Honor in what sense and of whom?

Jesus Christ taught His followers to honor no man above others. This can be seen in the way He dealt with the Priests, Teachers of the law and everyone He met... Even they commented on this aspect of His person. He taught His followers that all men were indeed created equal and they remain so in the eyes of God. So as far as the teachings of Jesus Christ, there is no place for the sort of honor that is the tradition of men.

are u equal with ur parents?

spartan117:

Alright you can stick to your views. Good night sir.

These aren't my views. This is the commandment of Jesus Christ of which He said that anyone who does not obey His commandments does not love Him, and the Truth(Jesus Christ) does not live inside of such a one, as posited by John, the apostle of Jesus Christ.

You, like the Pastors mentioned in the @OP, claim to know Jesus Christ, yet you live in direct disobedience His very commandsnts, including the very one mentioned in Mark 7. So, a question for you, did Jesus Christ lie cause it is not possible that His word is Truth and your claim that he lives inside of you also be of His truth.

Mark 7:7-13(King James Version)

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7. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11. But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Pious101:
are u equal with ur parents?

Why would any human think his/herself less than his parents in any form?

Kobojunkie:
You are right about the traditional ideals held by those of the Yoruba culture but these people are supposedly followers of Jesus Christ, are they not?
And according to Jesus Christ, those who follow Him ought to reject all doctrines and traditions of men as they are nothing but lies meant to deceive and nullify the power of God in the lives of His followers.


By following after the commandments of men(traditions they are called), you deny the rules of God, and so refuse Jesus Christ.

So can one live in disobedience of Jesus Christ and still be of Jesus Christ, I guess that should be the main question here if anything.

let answer your question by question. What is appropriate way of greeting elder by preaching of Jesus christ? You know that Jesus is talking about human traditions which is against God word.

muykem:
let answer your question by question. What is appropriate way of greeting elder by preaching of Jesus christ? You know that Jesus is talking about human traditions which is against God word.

I don't follow.

As for tradition, whether you want to call them human traditions or culture(commandments of men), Jesus Christ's teaching in Mark 7 will sufficiently enlighten anyone on what is wrong to do and what is instead expedient.