Martian:


You can’t approach history from a biblical perspective. The Bible contains some bits of history because myths and legends are based on facts, but it’s not a historical record. Why would you accept judeo-centric legends as historical evidence?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim

Which brings us back to persuasive evidence we can get today, rather than documented histories of the past.

Perhaps until the tombs of the first set of kings in the northern kingdom is uncovered and dna tests are performed on these, we’ll keep going round in circles.

For me, this is the most persuasive evidence we can rely if the Judeo-Christian texts isn’t an alternative you want to consider.

OkCornel:


Which brings us back to persuasive evidence we can get today, rather than documented histories of the past.

Perhaps until the tombs of the first set of kings in the northern kingdom is uncovered and dna tests are performed on these, we’ll keep going round in circles.

For me, this is the most persuasive evidence we can rely if the Judeo-Christian texts isn’t an alternative you want to consider.

I think the most persuasive evidence is upper Egypt. DNA evidence from the earliest period would just be verification.
However the Christian text is not evidence for anything talkless of ancient Egypt. The Jews themselves don’t like besmirching themselves with the Christian Bible except for the times they are getting their asses kissed for some “chosen people” bullshit.

Martian:


I think the most persuasive evidence is upper Egypt. DNA evidence from the earliest period would just be verification.
However the Christian text is not evidence for anything talkless of ancient Egypt.

And the text from ancient historians like Josephus Flavius?

And to be clear on what you mean by upper Egypt, you’re referring to Southern Egypt? Or Northern Egypt... just to clarify

OkCornel:


And the text from ancient historians like Josephus Flavius?

Historical texts are useful as long as you check the biases, prejudices, and sympathies of the author while checking other sources for support or refutation. Also, any mention of some “supernatural” attribute or occurrence is evidence of nonsense.

e.g. to paraphrase Josephus’ alleged writing.

“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man........... He was the Christ”

The quote above sounds like Christian bullshit added to Josephus’ work. And it is alleged that some Christian named Eusebius did it.

What did Josephus say concerning Egypt?

OkCornel:


And the text from ancient historians like Josephus Flavius?

And to be clear on what you mean by upper Egypt, you’re referring to Southern Egypt? Or Northern Egypt... just to clarify

Southern as in close to Kush/Makuria/Sudan

Martian:


Historical texts are useful as long as you check the biases, prejudices, and sympathies of the author while checking other sources for support or refutation. Also, any mention of some “supernatural” attribute or occurrence is evidence of nonsense.

e.g. to paraphrase Josephus’ alleged writing.

“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man........... He was the Christ”

The quote above sounds like Christian bullshit added to Josephus’ work. And it is alleged that some Christian named Eusebius did it.

What did Josephus say concerning Egypt?

Lemme dig up his text on the settlement pattern of Noah’s sons.

Might not even really help in terms of persuasive on the evidence we’re looking for.

Martian:


Southern as in close to Kush/Makuria/Sudan

Oh well, I’ll wait till the tombs of the first set of kings in the north are uncovered and dna tests performed on them before I arrive at a conclusion.

OkCornel:


Oh well, I’ll wait till the tombs of the first set of kings in the north are uncovered and dna tests performed on them before I arrive at a conclusion.

I agree with your stance. I only have issues with the direction you’re leaning and the implicit reasons.

Martian:


I agree with your stance. I only have issues with the direction you’re leaning and the implicit reasons.

Please could you clarify further? I’m lost to be honest

OkCornel:

Please could you clarify further? I’m lost to be honest

I’ll try.......

Martian:


I’ll try.......

Ok bro

OkCornel:


You know why I’m having doubts? I’m looking at the pattern of settlement of Noah’s sons according to the scriptures.

Egypt (The northern part I suspect) descended from Mizraim. What evidences do we have this dude was a black man... or his sons mingled with the daughters of Cush (a certified black man going by the meaning of his name)

Do you understand where I’m coming from?

Please don’t get me wrong o, I’m not saying Mizraim was a white man either, like Caucasian white or something.

Noah was white skinned (albino) and his appearance shocked his parents who said he didn't look human. They suspected that he was a child of one of the angels (fallen ones). That period in history was characterized by such corruption of the pure black human bloodline, hence their fears. It's the same today. Only difference is today, they are regarded as not just human but superior to the pure humans (blacks from Africa) by fools who've suffered mental slavery.

All Noah's sons (like Adam made from mud) were brown to black. All of the pure human race was and is brown to black. Not your stupid olive which you stylishly introduce to make way for fake white Turks calling themselves Egyptians.

We know how those white populations came about. The seed of the serpent has been around right from Eden.

Book of Enoch
Chapter 105
1. After a time, my son Mathusala took a wife for his son Lamech.

2. She became pregnant by him, and brought forth a child, the flesh of which was as white as snow, and red as a rose; the hair of whose head was white like wool, and long; and whose eyes were beautiful. When he opened them, he illuminated all the house, like the sun; the whole house abounded with light.

3. And when he was taken from the hand of the midwife, opening also his mouth, he spoke to the Lord of righteousness. Then Lamech his father was afraid of him; and flying away came to his own father Mathusala, and said, I have begotten a son, unlike to other children. He is not human; but, resembling the offspring of the angels of heaven, is of a different nature from ours, being altogether unlike to us.

This why they hate the book of Enoch. It exposed their backside without mercy.

donnie:


Noah was white skinned (albino) and his appearance shocked his parents who said he didn't look human. They suspected that he was a child of one of the angels (fallen ones). That period in history was characterized by such corruption of the pure black human bloodline, hence their fears. It's the same today. Only difference is today, they are regarded as not just human but superior to the pure humans (blacks from Africa) by fools who've suffered mental slavery.

All Noah's sons (like Adam made from mud) were brown to black. All of the pure human race was and is brown to black. Not your stupid olive which you stylishly introduce to make way for fake white Turks calling themselves Egyptians.

We know how those white populations came about. The seed of the serpent has been around right from Eden.

Book of Enoch
Chapter 105
1. After a time, my son Mathusala took a wife for his son Lamech.

2. She became pregnant by him, and brought forth a child, the flesh of which was as white as snow, and red as a rose; the hair of whose head was white like wool, and long; and whose eyes were beautiful. When he opened them, he illuminated all the house, like the sun; the whole house abounded with light.

3. And when he was taken from the hand of the midwife, opening also his mouth, he spoke to the Lord of righteousness. Then Lamech his father was afraid of him; and flying away came to his own father Mathusala, and said, I have begotten a son, unlike to other children. He is not human; but, resembling the offspring of the angels of heaven, is of a different nature from ours, being altogether unlike to us.

This why they hate the book of Enoch. It exposed their backside without mercy.

One question for you Donnie, are olive skinned people whites?

I think that’s we need to clarify where we stand on the matter.

And in case you’re not aware, Adam and Edom shares the same root word in Hebrew “haadom” or so, which means RED.

I’m more than happy for you to prove otherwise.

Your point on Noah according to the book of Enoch is actually true according to Enochian texts. Read that there as well.

OkCornel:


One question for you Donnie, are olive skinned people whites?

I think that’s we need to clarify where we stand on the matter.

And in case you’re not aware, Adam and Edom shares the same root word in Hebrew “haadom” or so, which means RED.

I’m more than happy for you to prove otherwise.

Your point on Noah according to the book of Enoch is actually true according to Enochian texts. Read that there as well.

This is red soil, they are still black people, so no chance for your fake impostors.

donnie:


This is red soil, they are still black people, so no chance for your fake impostors.

I still don’t know where you got the notion I’m defending white people.

Now back to my question, what is your understanding of olive skinned people?

And are these people below not red skinned too hmmm? Run a google search please and bring all the results there. Not just people of African descent.

OkCornel:

I still don’t know where you got the notion I’m defending white people.

Now back to my question, what is your understanding of olive skinned people?

MrPresident1:


Is like your problem is olive ba, because you're always mentioning olive skin olive skin olive skin

Take note that Olive skin is a colour spectrum, a continuous variation and not one singular unitary skin colour and it ranges from the deepest richest brownish caramel to the sweetest milkiest brown colour

He couldn't have said it better. But we all know you're not in agreement with anything that isn't whitish.

OkCornel:

I still don’t know where you got the notion I’m defending white people.

Now back to my question, what is your understanding of olive skinned people?

And are these people below not red skinned too hmmm? Run a google search please and bring all the results there. Not just people of African descent.

That's not thier skin color. It's thier blood showing through their pale skin... reason they get redder when emotions are high.

[quote author=donnie post=99675789]
That's not thier skin color. It's thier blood showing through their pale skin... reason they get redder when emotions are high. [/b]

Ogbeni, go and research on ruddy people in Europe and Asia jare...

You think red skinned people are in Africa only? Or just people of African descent? No make me laugh abeg.

So Donnie, you agree with MrPresident1 that olive skinned people’s color can range from brownish caramel to milk brown color?

I’m getting somewhere with this

The women of Niniveh in the region of the Sarah-Haran (Sahara) desert which is ancient Mesopotamia.

See their African braided hair, flat noses etc.

Mammy water and papi water are of ancient summerian origin. These are the results of the abominations taking place in earth... The animal and human hybrids. Today we advertise this phenomenon calling then super heroes.

Today when we discover fish with human teeth or pig with human face we ignorantly put the blame on God.

Now they are coming with vaccines for mass production of hybrids and we're happy.

By the way his flat nose... Compare him with the Arab below

donnie:
Mammy water and papi water are of ancient summerian origin. These are the results of the abominations taking place in earth... The animal and human hybrids. Today we advertise this phenomenon calling then super heroes.

Today when we discover fish with human teeth or pig with human face we ignorantly put the blame on God.

Now they are coming with vaccines for mass production of hybrids and we're happy.

By the way his flat nose... Compare him with the Arab below

Bros, are you in agreement with MrPresident that olive skin ranges from caramel brown to milk brown? Simple yes or no

donnie:
The women of Niniveh in the region of the Sarah-Haran (Sahara) desert which is ancient Mesopotamia.

See their African braided hair, flat noses etc.

So your own Mesopotamia is in the Sahara desert abi?

One simple question abeg. Do a google search on the images. Where are those relics you’ve copied the picture excavated from? Which country abeg

OkCornel:


So your own Mesopotamia is in the Sahara desert abi?

One simple question abeg. Do a google search on the images. Where are those relics you’ve copied the picture excavated from? Which country abeg

NONSNESE, those theives were all over the continent stealing artifacts. That's how Rome got the ancient Bantu scrolls of scripture.

After they steal and hide them, then they'll later claim to have found them, just like they "found" the dead sea scrolls.

Google search shows the Cheldaeans and Arameans -True scriptural Aram is the Chad region with its capital in Damasak/Damascus (Borno state close to Niger) still in the Sahara.

donnie:


NONSNESE, those theives were all over the continent stealing artifacts. That's how Rome got the ancient Bantu scrolls of scripture.

After they steal and hide them, then they'll later claim to have found them, just like they "found" the dead sea scrolls.

Google search shows the Cheldaeans and Arameans -True scriptural Aram is the Chad region with its capital in Damasak/Damascus (Borno state close to Niger) still in the Sahara.

Get well soon bro, lol

So those artifacts were excavated from Borno state and smuggled to the Middle East abi?

Well done


Anyways not to digress on our discussions on Northern Egypt and your opinion on what olive skin truly means.

OkCornel:


Get well soon bro, lol

So those artifacts were excavated from Borno state and smuggled to the Middle East abi?

Well done


Anyways not to digress on our discussions on Northern Egypt and your opinion on what olive skin truly means.

I said the Sahara. Damasak is the northern tip of Borno-Nigeria. Chad and Niger are well in the Sahara.

I can show you more artifacts recovered from the Sahel.

donnie:


I can show you more artifacts recovered from the Sahel.

Pictures please. Especially something showing those Mesopotamian art works uncovered in the Sahel...

I’m waiting patiently

So Donnie, these stone structures in Western Sahara which are totally unconnected to the Mesopotamia artwork you posted earlier is your proof?


You’ll definitely make a good stand up comedian.

Here’s the link to website you made reference to earlier.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/64674-photos-western-sahara-stone-structures.html

OkCornel:



Bros, are you in agreement with MrPresident that olive skin ranges from caramel brown to milk brown? Simple yes or no

MrPresident1:


Is like your problem is olive ba, because you're always mentioning olive skin olive skin olive skin

Take note that Olive skin is a colour spectrum, a continuous variation and not one singular unitary skin colour and it ranges from the deepest richest brownish caramel to the sweetest milkiest brown colour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_skin

Olive skin is a human skin colour spectrum. It is often associated with pigmentation in the Type III[1][2] to Type IV and Type V ranges of the Fitzpatrick scale. It generally refers to light or moderate brown, brownish, or tan skin, and it is often described as having yellow, green, or golden undertones

https://dermnetnz.org/topics/skin-phototype/

When you were talking about olive skin... olive skin... olive skin earlier, I gave you this response and also showed you the Fitzpatrick scale. Olive colour is not a singular or unitary colour, it is a blend, a spectrum of colours, a continuous variation, but here you are tying to ask Donnie about what has been written plainly.

If you have anything to say speak plainly.

I understand that you can only wake a man that is truly asleep, you cannot wake a man that is pretending to be asleep

MrPresident1:




When you were talking about olive skin... olive skin... olive skin earlier, I gave you this response and also showed you the Fitzpatrick scale. Olive colour is not a singular or unitary colour, it is a blend, a spectrum of colours, a continuous variation, but here you are tying to ask Donnie about what has been written plainly.

If you have anything to say speak plainly.

I understand that you can only wake a man that is truly asleep, you cannot wake a man that is pretending to be asleep

Mr man, read my post. That question was directed to Donnie (if he’s in agreement with your description of olive skin). I’m patiently awaiting his answer in clear terms. Yes or No.

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God." - Isaiah 44:6

"Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me." - Isaiah 45:21

"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." - Ephesians 4:4-6

"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" - James 2:19

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"*But our God is in heaven;
He does whatever He pleases.
* Their idols are silver and gold,
The work of men’s hands.
* They have mouths, but they do not speak;
Eyes they have, but they do not see;
* They have ears, but they do not hear;
Noses they have, but they do not smell;
* They have hands, but they do not handle;
Feet they have, but they do not walk;
Nor do they mutter through their throat.
* Those who make them are like them;
So is everyone who trusts in them." - Psalm 115:3-8

OkCornel:


Mr man, read my post. That question was directed to Donnie (if he’s in agreement with your description of olive skin). I’m patiently awaiting his answer in clear terms. Yes or No.

Speak plainly. Did I define/describe the olive skin by myself or I showed you a web reference?

What does his agreement or disagreement have to do with the Fitzpatrick colour spectrum/scale?

Are you disputing the Fitzpatrick scale or what, have you discovered you own scale?

Speak plainly, what does his agreement or disagreement have to do with what is proven or universally accepted?