hensben:
With any formation some players still get dropped in any club. I remember under Mourhino at Madrid Modric was benched by di maria, he was almost leaving then, Ancelotti was appointed, he started benching Di Maria for Modric. Football is like that, not every player work in all tactics. For example, someone like Zyech can’t move the ball for long without spamming those his usual crosses, he disrupt tuchel’s tactics most times with his eager to cross even when he has space to run or beat his marker. Pulisic is off form, he struggle with the grass when running. He can’t run with the ball without falling.

he can play 343

But different tactic


Front will be pullisic giroud ziyech

Alonso kovacic jorginho hudson

This time ziyech and pullisic will stick to the wings, alonso and hudson will make late runs into the box like 10

That will get the best all of both players and maintain his formation

donjazet:


It seems to me like both of you Just started supporting chelsea recently, because if you have, you will know that in the last 4 out of 5 seasons, chelsea have had long spells of unbeaten runs including having even better results against the big sides too in that run.
Beating athletico, man City, spurs and Co is nothing new for us and we have done that while playing very well.

Whatever joy and esteemed pleasure you are having now is nothing we haven't experienced before. The problem Chelsea have always had is how we respond to adversity. We panic once we have a bad spell and we immediately forget the fantastic spell we just experienced under the manager. This is why i now make it my mission to tamper our excitement once we start having these good runs,so that i could condition people's mind to still expect that inevitable dip in form.
I am a fan of managerial stability. I do wish Soo badly that chelsea will envision a long term strategy and be patient enough to see it through, not this scattergun approach we have, but that is impossible with the kind of reactionary fan base we have. One which is over excited when we are winning and over panicked when the form drops.

playing well and losing games is different from playing badly and losing games


Under mourinho we never played well, we were just clinical with our opportunities that is why in europe they will always beat us

Under conte we were rigid, sometimes we would park the bus self, he was also exposed in europe


Under sarri, we had a gameplan but he didn't have the personel and he wasn't open to adjustments, I enjoyed sarri ball, I rate him till today


Under tuchel, we are getting sarri ball + conte's discipline, he is very flexible and unpredictable


When he arrived he said he will make chelsea a team, other teams hate playing against and he wasn't joking, do you fear atletico like you did december?

Abeg give the guy his respect, other coaches will struggle to beat top teams, he dominates them, I hope the board removes their hand from his activities and allow him handle the team

iamJ:
he can play 343

But different tactic


Front will be pullisic giroud ziyech

Alonso kovacic jorginho hudson

This time ziyech and pullisic will stick to the wings, alonso and hudson will make late runs into the box like 10

That will get the best all of both players and maintain his formation

In 343 formation it’s not possible for them to stick to the wing, they have to be inside, more like no10/Left midfielders so that wingbacks can hug the wings for crosses and pace.

iamJ:
playing well and losing games is different from playing badly and losing games


Under mourinho we never played well, we were just clinical with our opportunities that is why in europe they will always beat us

Under conte we were rigid, sometimes we would park the bus self, he was also exposed in europe


Under sarri, we had a gameplan but he didn't have the personel and he wasn't open to adjustments, I enjoyed sarri ball, I rate him till today


Under tuchel, we are getting sarri ball + conte's discipline, he is very flexible and unpredictable


When he arrived he said he will make chelsea a team, other teams hate playing against and he wasn't joking, do you fear atletico like you did december?

Abeg give the guy his respect, other coaches will struggle to beat top teams, he dominates them, I hope the board removes their hand from his activities and allow him handle the team

You are right, his tactical diversity is what make him different from other managers we have had.

donjazet:


It seems to me like both of you Just started supporting chelsea recently, because if you have, you will know that in the last 4 out of 5 seasons, chelsea have had long spells of unbeaten runs including having even better results against the big sides too in that run.
Beating athletico, man City, spurs and Co is nothing new for us and we have done that while playing very well.

Whatever joy and esteemed pleasure you are having now is nothing we haven't experienced before. The problem Chelsea have always had is how we respond to adversity. We panic once we have a bad spell and we immediately forget the fantastic spell we just experienced under the manager. This is why i now make it my mission to tamper our excitement once we start having these good runs,so that i could condition people's mind to still expect that inevitable dip in form.
I am a fan of managerial stability. I do wish Soo badly that chelsea will envision a long term strategy and be patient enough to see it through, not this scattergun approach we have, but that is impossible with the kind of reactionary fan base we have. One which is over excited when we are winning and over panicked when the form drops.

Rest, you don't own Chelsea. They will keep firing and hiring coaches to attain success. Barcelona is one of the greatest clubs in the world, they do the same thing. PSG keeps firing coaches because they need to win the UCL. Even Arsenal and Yoonited that stuck with coaches for year's have started firing too. This is how football works. They have not fired Pep yet because he finds a way to take his team out of a rough patch, if Tuchel does the same, they will keep him. So rest.

Don't tell us we shouldn't celebrate this good work he's doing because you except him to fail soon. When was the last time you saw a resilient Chelsea side? When was the last time we approached tough opponents with confidence? Abeg Tuchel is doing better than a lot of coaches we have hired in recent times.

iamJ:
playing well and losing games is different from playing badly and losing games


Under mourinho we never played well, we were just clinical with our opportunities that is why in europe they will always beat us

Under conte we were rigid, sometimes we would park the bus self, he was also exposed in europe


Under sarri, we had a gameplan but he didn't have the personel and he wasn't open to adjustments, I enjoyed sarri ball, I rate him till today


Under tuchel, we are getting sarri ball + conte's discipline, he is very flexible and unpredictable


When he arrived he said he will make chelsea a team, other teams hate playing against and he wasn't joking, do you fear atletico like you did december?

Abeg give the guy his respect, other coaches will struggle to beat top teams, he dominates them, I hope the board removes their hand from his activities and allow him handle the team

The bolded is the crux of my argument.
How on earth is one month enough to accurately assess a new manager?? You are lying to yourself if you think you now know tuchel. He is still a relatively unknown person.
I'm appealing for a further period of observation before forming an opinion. It is far too early to rain down those platitudes. You are only setting him up for a fall.

BikeMan:
Rest, you don't own Chelsea. They will keep firing and hiring coaches to attain success. Barcelona is one of the greatest clubs in the world, they do the same thing. PSG keeps firing coaches because they need to win the UCL. Even Arsenal and Yoonited that stuck with coaches for year's have started firing too. This is how football works. They have not fired Pep yet because he finds a way to take his team out of a rough patch, if Tuchel does the same, they will keep him. So rest.

Don't tell us we shouldn't celebrate this good work he's doing because you except him to fail soon. When was the last time you saw a resilient Chelsea side? When was the last time we approached tough opponents with confidence? Abeg Tuchel is doing better than a lot of coaches we have hired in recent times.

If my memory serves me right, THREE MONTHS AGO. Just 3 months ago, we had gone on an unbeaten streak while playing fantastic football at that. I remember playing soo perfectly in the champions league and people hinting us as favorites for both titles. We were keeping clean sheets and scoring goals.
You are the typical example of a reactionary fan.
So quick to praise, so quick to condemn. Calm the fuck_ down.

User09:


Conte won the premier league with it on a longer stretch than the UCL and not a short term solution as u say.

Stop trying to undersell Tuchel's performance

And Conte also failed to make UCL next year from a combination of factors including teams getting to grips with 3-4-3 by countering it with 3-5-2. Fact is that history does not support long term success of this formation and has not produced a UCL champion from it, maybe not since I started watching football sef.

I hail Tuchel for his work but nobody should use that to start pushing specialist players upon us like Jorginho, Alonso, Rudiger etc. This is not the first time they have had good spells. Every three months, they have a good run, then as soon as their protection is taken away, they collapse again. Chelsea board don't know what they are watching and will start extending these players contracts thinking they are our future, not knowing they only thrive in the specific peculiarities of the system afforded them. That's how we carried specialist players like Ramires and co for years and could never build a consistent team around them, acting like a Schizophrenic team that does well for few months then collapse later when these players are found out under different system or set of circumstances.

Like for example, someone is now hailing Jorginho over Kante and Kovacic. I actually agree that Jorginho has better positional awareness than both. He has to, since he is so slow. But positional awareness will not help you when there is space to cover rather than bodies joined together closely in midfield and back 3. The minute you take away that back 3 from Jorginho and put him in a midfield 2, he will get ran through as usual whereas Kante can play in any system. We need robust players, not specialists, so no one should start hailing weak players based on system. Alonso is another one. Good as wing back, but completely useless as full back. I have never seen Rudiger or Chris play well consistently in a back 4 but all of a sudden they are toast of the town in back 3 now.

No be today these all start, I was campaigning against specialist players like Ramires, Oscar, Fabregas, Mikel when they were in winning teams, and over the long run these players cost Chelsea consistency and were eventually found out and shipped on. We will all be here just like we have been over the last 3 years when Jorginho is being hailed one minute then becomes liability next minute. I rather put my hat on Pulisic and co long term than be hailing weak players just due to a stop gap solution.

hensben:
In 343 formation it’s not possible for them to stick to the wing, they have to be inside, most like no10/Left midfielders so that wingbacks can hug the wings for crosses and pace.

I didn't understand his type of 343 formation where those upfront hug the wings.

Thecassanova:

Guy Free me, so far you once use your fingers type this statement at some point, you’ve no more justification. Don’t be an hypocrite.

And i had admitted i goofed earlier on Kovacic, no thanks to useless Sarriball.

don't be a coconut-headed person, accept that you goofed by chatting sh1t about Kovacic being useless as a CM and that Tuchel would bench him. You will not die if you do.

airmark:




I didn't understand his type of 343 formation where those upfront hug the wings.

Me self tire.

Was there a point yesterday that you felt like the team needed mason mount?


Useless player

dayokanu:
[size=28pt]No other team in the world can do this

10 men down, 2 goals down , At Nou Camp

I make bold to say NO OTHER TEAM IN THE WORLD CAN DO THIS[/size]

When papa DK still fancies Chelsea :-D

TeflonBlixx:


When papa DK still fancies Chelsea :-D

Before he turned to a rabid Chelsea hater the next month in Munich

airmark:


And i had admitted i goofed earlier on Kovacic, no thanks to useless Sarriball.

don't be a coconut-headed person, accept that you goofed by chatting sh1t about Kovacic being useless as a CM and that Tuchel would bench him. You will not die if you do.

Ok Gratitude to TuchelBall, I’m gradually seeing its effect on him.

He say na gratitude

Skimpledawg:
He say na gratitude

donjazet:


If my memory serves me right, THREE MONTHS AGO. Just 3 months ago, we had gone on an unbeaten streak while playing fantastic football at that. I remember playing soo perfectly in the champions league and people hinting us as favorites for both titles. We were keeping clean sheets and scoring goals.
You are the typical example of a reactionary fan.
So quick to praise, so quick to condemn. Calm the fuck_ down.

I kept complaining then that all we did was cross and nod, it's when it no longer worked that people started to also see it

We never played well under lampard, there was no game that I watched and enjoyed, under lampard if we were leading 1 nil, we will panic here till the game is over, lampard was using chelsea to experiment

donjazet:


If my memory serves me right, THREE MONTHS AGO. Just 3 months ago, we had gone on an unbeaten streak while playing fantastic football at that. I remember playing soo perfectly in the champions league and people hinting us as favorites for both titles. We were keeping clean sheets and scoring goals.
You are the typical example of a reactionary fan.
So quick to praise, so quick to condemn. Calm the fuck_ down.

even when chelsea was winning 3 months ago, chelsea kept 7 clean sheet out of 20 Premier league games with less than 50% winning rate.. so the clean sheet is actually less than 7 if we add goalless draw. . .

Lampard is also the only coach in chelsea history to have that kind winning rate (50%ish). so no matter how much you want to look at it tuchel is an upgrade to lampard and people have the right to celebrate it. If you can mourn chelsea loss then you have the right to celebrate the wins too.

You can't be sad when chelsea wins all in the name of what could happen in the future.

is TT the messiah? definitely not .. but under him we have won by a goal 5 separate time , i don't think we would have escaped with a goal under lampard cos of how the defense is always set up.

if you are performing well as a coach you deserve to be praised, if you are doing badly you deserve to be castigated .People already calling for klopp head despite winning champions league and PL.

you can't spend 200m$ and not start giving result instantly !

Hmmm... Chealsea fans and their way of asserting matters

Singapore1:



even when chelsea was winning 3 months ago, chelsea kept 7 clean sheet out of 20 Premier league games with less than 50% winning rate.. so the clean sheet is actually less than 7 if we add goalless draw. . .

Lampard is also the only coach in chelsea history to have that kind winning rate (50%ish). so no matter how much you want to look at it tuchel is an upgrade to lampard and people have the right to celebrate it. If you can mourn chelsea loss then you have the right to celebrate the wins too.

You can't be sad when chelsea wins all in the name of what could happen in the future.

is TT the messiah? definitely not .. but under him we have won by a goal 5 separate time , i don't think we would have escaped with a goal under lampard cos of how the defense is always set up.

if you are performing well as a coach you deserve to be praised, if you are doing badly you deserve to be castigated .People already calling for klopp head despite winning champions league and PL.

you can't spend 200m$ and not start giving result instantly !

No vex o, but can u explain what u mean by the bolded?

Singapore1:

even when chelsea was winning 3 months ago, chelsea kept 7 clean sheet out of 20 Premier league games with less than 50% winning rate.. so the clean sheet is actually less than 7 if we add goalless draw. . .

Lampard is also the only coach in chelsea history to have that kind winning rate (50%ish). so no matter how much you want to look at it tuchel is an upgrade to lampard and people have the right to celebrate it. If you can mourn chelsea loss then you have the right to celebrate the wins too.

You can't be sad when chelsea wins all in the name of what could happen in the future.

is TT the messiah? definitely not .. but under him we have won by a goal 5 separate time , i don't think we would have escaped with a goal under lampard cos of how the defense is always set up.

if you are performing well as a coach you deserve to be praised, if you are doing badly you deserve to be castigated .People already calling for klopp head despite winning champions league and PL.

you can't spend 200m$ and not start giving result instantly !

Listen, I'm just pointing out that predictable reactionary pattern our fans exhibit.
It is very normal in football to see an improvement In performances and results the minute a new Coach comes in. Many times, this is not down to tactical nuances effected by the new coach but more of a mental and psychological motivation of the team.
I'm of the opinion that our form right now doesn't necessarily reflect on tuchels managerial ability. That's not to say he isn't trying though. Let's just give him more time before assessing his tactical nous.

donjazet:


If my memory serves me right, THREE MONTHS AGO. Just 3 months ago, we had gone on an unbeaten streak while playing fantastic football at that. I remember playing soo perfectly in the champions league and people hinting us as favorites for both titles. We were keeping clean sheets and scoring goals.
You are the typical example of a reactionary fan.
So quick to praise, so quick to condemn. Calm the fuck_ down.

Unbeaten run against minors, we were trash every time we played a big team then. Baba go away with your pessimism Abeg. Tuchel is doing well and we will praise him and the players for that. Clearly he knows what he’s doing.

donjazet:


Listen, I'm just pointing out that predictable reactionary pattern our fans exhibit.
It is very normal in football to see an improvement In performances and results the minute a new Coach comes in. Many times, this is not down to tactical nuances effected by the new coach but more of a mental and psychological motivation of the team.
I'm of the opinion that our form right now doesn't necessarily reflect on tuchels managerial ability. That's not to say he isn't trying though. Let's just give him more time before assessing his tactical nous.

LMAO! Who be this guy? Has any manager in Chelsea’s history done what Tuchel has done in his first 11 games?

To think this guy took charge of a team that was out of form and suddenly he has turned them into a team that doesn’t concede. But yes, he doesn’t know anything. Look at how players like Kovacic, Jorginho, Chris, Rudiger etc. are playing with confidence. Even Mason Mount has stepped up.

I thought you were trying to make any sense earlier. Bring back Lampard now since this coach is clearly not doing anything

Pro Tuchel vs Pro Lampard camp

Oya fight

donjazet:


Please i beg you guys to stop with this hype.
Tuchel did not just come around and wave a magic wand and automatically solve our problems. Mind you we still have a goal scoring problem.
This team is still in that phase where all players rise above their skillset in order to impress the new manager. Tuchel himself is still studying the team, chopping and changing systems and personnel to see the right fit and very fortunately for us, we are getting the right results. I remember sarri and lampard also having very similar experiences and people hyping them up and setting expectations.

Tuchel looks very promising but our run of form is not only down to him. Our squad is capable of going on a winning run even without a manager.
The last thing we need to do now is to start over hyping tuchel. We can only truly assess him at the end of the season.

Hyperbole!

swiz123:


Did you type this epistle when Lampard's urchins tried to make all of us look silly due to our preserved lack of patience during our unbeaten run...

Even when Lampard was going on winning streaks, us with a very keen eye for tactics and footballing philosophy saw the conspicuous signs of cluelessness in our play.... But some folks here went on with the hype. A manager that made us think most of our players were daft. How could I have known that Jorginho isn't as bad as he made him become; as bad as some rugby football analyst here made us believe he is.

You could have been correct if you said that Chelsea would have been better off without a manager than letting Lampard get in the way of our match-day selection. A manager did not just use the clown Abraham against Tottenham, but also refused to sub him off. A Manager whose approach to games exposed our player's weaknesses than strength. Lampard wasn't coaching us, he is simply getting in the way -- he was slowing us down. He should have apologized to us after he was shoved aside as an obstacle that he was.

So, please stop trying to downplay TT's hype (Not overhype); that his the least he deserves for not just being tactically astute, but also being a good man-manager.

Louder for those at the back.

iamJ:
All these people talking about honeymoon period

No coach in the history of football has achieved tuchel's feat at chelsea

We kept clean sheet and dominated major teams

Silva can't even get into the team again, the guy has fixed out team, we will experience difficulty but even when a team beats us, they will know that they were lucky

That's the main thing, once he fixes our attack and goals start flowing in easily, you will understand the kind of manager we now have

I said something similar to bolded last time.

Tuchel is the only coach that is actually teaching us how to play football.

donjazet:


Listen, I'm just pointing out that predictable reactionary pattern our fans exhibit.
It is very normal in football to see an improvement In performances and results the minute a new Coach comes in. Many times, this is not down to tactical nuances effected by the new coach but more of a mental and psychological motivation of the team.
I'm of the opinion that our form right now doesn't necessarily reflect on tuchels managerial ability. That's not to say he isn't trying though. Let's just give him more time before assessing his tactical nous.

Dude.

Give it a rest

airmark:


And i had admitted i goofed earlier on Kovacic, no thanks to useless Sarriball.

don't be a coconut-headed person, accept that you goofed by chatting sh1t about Kovacic being useless as a CM and that Tuchel would bench him. You will not die if you do.

the same way you goofed on krychowack belotti and the rest

This donjaz guy funny oo, wetin concern us with its too early. The Koko is to win trophy, if e reach to sack tuchel dem go sack am