LMAO! In order to save face from the huge disgrace, you had to commit logical fallacies such as: (1) the red herring fallacy, and (2) the straw man fallacy.

In other words, when you realized that my argument was too true for you to engage (i.e. impossible for you to oppose); you simply made-up an entirely fresh claim (which I never made or even suggested) and then falsely attributed such to me.

You then proceeded to attack that same fresh claim (which was entirely the product of your own imagination) in order to create for yourself the illusion of responding to me. Lol.

Coronabirus:
[s]You're very ignorant of history. Danfodio neither established nor brought religion to the North. There was traditional rule and religion many centuries before Danfodio's father was born. Danfodio is commonly known as restorer; he fought against injustice of Northern traditional rulers and replace their cruel system with Islamic justice system that's the only thing he did.
Go and learn history because our system doesn't start from Sultan era, it's long predated centuries before those years.[/s]

The summary of your reply to my comment is as follows:

Me: Dan Fodio established your ‘greatest monarchy’ (i.e. The Sokoto Sultanate) barely 200 years ago.

Still Me: Whereas, Ife people were spreading monarchy and fluorescence across the Guinea Forest since over a millennium ago.

You: Dan Fodio didn’t bring religion to the North.

Me: Lol! How is this in any way supposed to be a response to my comments?? Just how?
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NB:
(1) @Rugaria had commented that the Sultan’s stool doesn’t deserve to be what seems to him (@Rugaria) to be an attempt by the FG to unfairly place the Sultanate above the Ooni-ship.

(2) You objected to his comment by affirming the absolute contrary. You even went farther beyond bound to say that we (Yorubas as well as others in the south) didn’t wear clothes until just before the last century — i.e. 200 odd-years ago.

(3) I debunked and trashed each of your silly false and insanely ignorant tribalistic remarks. I debunked them with facts and figures by demonstrating that:

(i) The Sokoto Sultante (about which this discussion is) was indeed established by Dan Fodio, and it is indeed very, very young and junior as @Rugaria had originally hinted.

(ii) The Yorubas (the Ifes for example) have had a great and grand monarchy as well as an unmatched fluorescence for several centuries before your Sokoto Sultanate was first conceptualized by Dan Fodio.


Cc: Rugaria

Mrbillionaire:


All these Igodo..... People like to be noticed sha; everybody came from Benin bla bla. Nonsense!

Point of correction, Idu not Bini.

wink2015:


It is wrong for you to rank the oba with a convenient sitting position created to host a British Prince who have not mounted the British throne.

Prince Charles is still a prince.

The oba of Benin is a first class traditional ruler in Nigeria.

The Alaafin of Oyo is not there Sha... Except they mean that the Alaafin is equivalent to the baale

Rugaria:
They are always positioning the sultan first... Trying hard to make it look like he is the premier traditional stool in Nigeria, which is nothing but a fat lie. Both the Oni and the Obi as traditional institutions have been there before the Hausas surrendered to these folks from Futaa jallon few years ago.. Trying to make it look like the overdressed sultan is the highest "traditional deity" in Nigeria is not just preposterous, it amounts to a great disservice to history..

SULTAN SPEAKS IN TONGUES TO BUHARI IN SUCH CONFERENCES.

Fahdiga:
Obi Onitsha we know. who are others?

The Sultan and NW EMIRS HELPING BUHARI TO MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF MACBAN AND RIFA-RUGA ISLAMISATION FULANISATION AND ANARCHY IN THE 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES.

daddytime:
Where is the Oba of the great Benin kingdom?

AND THE TORTIV, GBOGON JOS, ALAFIN ETCETERA ETCETERA. THEY'RE TOO ELITIST FOR THE CONFERENCE

Daddysidhan:
3nd class monarch are not invited.

LIKE OLUWO AND I. THEY'RE SCARED OF US.

Etinosa1234:
[s]The Alaafin of Oyo is not there Sha... Except they mean that the Alaafin is equivalent to the baale [/s]

For the sake of this photoshoot (attached) and other National issues, the Ooni (not the Alaafin) is the ‘Yoruba’ representative.

And the attached sitting position is based, obviously, on the leadership and membership of the NCTRN.

The Ooni and the Sultan are the permanent leaders of the council, while the Benin king among others are mere floor members of the council.

I hope I helped to satisfy your curiosity.

Cc: wink2015

MysteryShopper:
Obi of Onitsha representing the SOUTHEAST

Ooni of Ife representing the SOUTHWEST

Sultan of Sokoto representing the NORTH

These are the 3 most influential and powerful stools in Nigeria

Without Alaafin of Oyo, it is incomplete. The complete gathering of paramount rulers in Nigeria must include:

Obi of Onitsha
Sultan of Sokoto
Alaafin of Oyo
Oba of Benin

1972xy:
Ooni of ife being the first son of Oduduwa.
Oba of Benin needs not to be there.

Oduduwa did not have first or second or third son. Oduduwa had only one son and he was not Ooni.

slawormiir:
Damnnn niggarrrr Isoright..... Oba of Benin can't go to such a cesspit

Shut it.
He wasn't invited. You guys are the only ones hyping him.

alfasexy:

Igbos no send Obi of Onitsha.
Eze Nri on the other hand...

Eze nri is not a king pls. He is a priest.

Daddysidhan:
3nd class monarch are not invited.

YOU ARE A BIG FOOL.
A REAL KING DON'T MOVE ANYHOW,HE CAN'T BE SUMMONED BY A FAILURE.

TAO11:
LMAO! In order to save face from the huge disgrace, you had to commit logical fallacies such as: (1) the red herring fallacy, and (2) the straw man fallacy.

In other words, when you realized that my argument was too true for you to engage (i.e. impossible for you to oppose); you simply made-up an entirely fresh claim (which I never made or even suggested) and then falsely attributed such to me.

You then proceeded to attack that same fresh claim (which was entirely the product of your own imagination) in order to create for yourself the illusion of responding to me. Lol.



The summary of your reply to my comment is as follows:

Me: Dan Fodio established your ‘greatest monarchy’ (i.e. The Sokoto Sultanate) barely 200 years ago.

Still Me: Whereas, Ife people were spreading monarchy and fluorescence across the Guinea Forest since over a millennium ago.

You: Dan Fodio didn’t bring religion to the North.

Me: Lol! How is this in any way supposed to be a response to my comments?? Just how?
———————————
NB:
(1) @Rugaria had commented that the Sultan’s stool doesn’t deserve to be what seems to him (@Rugaria) to be an attempt by the FG to unfairly place the Sultanate above the Ooni-ship.

(2) You objected to his comment by affirming the absolute contrary. You even went farther beyond bound to say that we (Yorubas as well as others in the south) didn’t wear clothes until just before the last century — i.e. 200 odd-years ago.

(3) I debunked and trashed each of your silly false and insanely ignorant tribalistic remarks. I debunked them with facts and figures by demonstrating that:

(i) The Sokoto Sultante (about which this discussion is) was indeed established by Dan Fodio, and it is indeed very, very young and junior as @Rugaria had originally hinted.

(ii) The Yorubas (the Ifes for example) have had a great and grand monarchy as well as an unmatched fluorescence for several centuries before your Sokoto Sultanate was first conceptualized by Dan Fodio.


Cc: Rugaria

All this formalities won't give true account of reality. Hundreds years before Danfodio there were bigger empires like Zaria were Queen Amina was the monarch, Kano kingdom, Hadejia, Daura, Katsina, Bauchi, Gombe, Kebbi , Zamfara, Gwari , Jukun, Ilorin , Nupe, Yauri, Adamawa and above all El Kanemi empire which was never matched by Sokoto caliphate.
The intellectual & philosophical difference Danfodio made was by merging all the kingdoms under him that was what made Sokoto caliphate stronger & well known.
The history of the whole Northern kingdoms can be traced back through "BAYAJIDDA" though before him there was the same structure & system but he gave birth to children that ruled all Northern kingdoms not recent Danfodio.

Coronabirus:
[s]All this formalities won't give true account of reality. Hundreds years before Danfodio there were bigger empires like Zaria were Queen Amina was the monarch, Kano kingdom, Hadejia, Daura, Katsina, Bauchi, Gombe, Kebbi , Zamfara, Gwari , Jukun, Ilorin , Nupe, Yauri, Adamawa and above all El Kanemi empire which was never matched by Sokoto caliphate.
The intellectual & philosophical difference Danfodio made was by merging all the kingdoms under him that was what made Sokoto caliphate stronger & well known.
The history of the whole Northern kingdoms can be traced back through "BAYAJIDDA" though before him there was the same structure & system but he gave birth to children that ruled all Northern kingdoms not recent Danfodio.[/s]

You seem to be a monumental fraud; or you’re just so ashamed to want to hide your moronic track; or both.

(1) @Rugaria noted that Sokoto is a baby kingdom in comparison to Ife et al.

(2) You objected and replied with loads of irrelevant dog-shit.

(3) I debunked your crap and put you in your dirty tiny little place.

(4) You returned jumping from from one distraction (i.e. religion) to another distraction (i.e. kingdoms that were not the topic of discussion).

You seem desperate to hide your disgrace. Don’t you? Your plight is understandable.

The incontrovertible fact, however, remains as follows:

@Rugaria is correct as per his statement that the Sokoto sultanate is a baby kingdom in comparison to Ife for example.

The Sokoto sultanate was founded by Uthman Dan Fodio barely 200 years ago.

The sacred Kingdom of Ife, on the other hand, had being around for more than a millennium — with its evident fluorescence all over the Guinea Forest of West Africa.


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Now regarding the fresh topic which you’ve tried hard to bring up; those other Hausa kingdoms you brought up are still incomparable to the ancient kingdom of Ife.

For example, Zaria (which you desperately brought up) which appears to follow Sokoto in grandeur was created also very recently in the 1800s.

Lastly, Ilorin was not even a kingdom as at the time it was pledged by its indigenous people (Yorubas) to Islamic Sokoto.

Neither is Ilorin an Hausa-Fulani city even presently. It was an indigenous Yoruba city; and is now a Yoruba city with Hausa-Fulani elements who have mixed over the centuries.

As at the time when its indigenous (Yoruba) people embraced the Islamic religion in the early 1800s, it was not even a kingdom yet.

It was a smaller indigenous Oyo province (within the Oyo homeland) which have had only four Baales as at the time of Afonja.

Yes, Ilorin had Baales (provincial chiefs) and not Obas (king) as at the time it embraced the Islamic religion.

The Baales of Ilorin were Laderin (the founder of Ilorin and its first Baale), followed by his son, Fasin (the second Baale), followed by Fasin’s son, Alagbin (the third Baale), and then followed by Alagbin’s son, Afonja.

Afonja doubled, during his time, as the Baale of Ilorin as well as the Are-Ona-Kakanfo of the Oyo Empire.

TAO11:
You seem to be a monumental fraud; or you’re just so ashamed to want to hide your moronic track; or both.

(1) @Rugaria noted that Sokoto is a baby kingdom in comparison to Ife et al.

(2) You objected and replied with loads of irrelevant dog-shit.

(3) I debunked your crap and put you in your dirty tiny little place.

(4) You returned jumping from from one distraction (i.e. religion) to another distraction (i.e. kingdoms that were not the topic of discussion).

You seem desperate to hide your disgrace. Don’t you? Your plight is understandable.

The incontrovertible fact, however, remains as follows:

@Rugaria is correct as per his statement that the Sokoto sultanate is a baby kingdom in comparison to Ife for example.

The Sokoto sultanate was founded by Uthman Dan Fodio barely 200 years ago.

The sacred Kingdom of Ife, on the other hand, had being around for more than a millennium — with its evident fluorescence all over the Guinea Forest of West Africa.


————————
Now regarding the fresh topic which you’ve tried hard to bring up; those other Hausa kingdoms you brought up are still incomparable to the ancient kingdom of Ife.

For example, Zaria (which you desperately brought up) which appears to follow Sokoto in grandeur was created also very recently in the 1800s.

Lastly, Ilorin was not even a kingdom as at the time it was pledged by its indigenous people (Yorubas) to Islamic Sokoto.

Neither is Ilorin an Hausa-Fulani city even presently. It was an indigenous Yoruba city; and is now a Yoruba city with Hausa-Fulani elements who have mixed over the centuries.

As at the time when its indigenous (Yoruba) people embraced the Islamic religion in the early 1800s, it was not even a kingdom yet.

It was a smaller indigenous Oyo province (within the Oyo homeland) which have had only four Baales as at the time of Afonja.

Yes, Ilorin had Baales (provincial chiefs) and not Obas (king) as at the time it embraced the Islamic religion.

The Baales of Ilorin were Laderin (the founder of Ilorin and its first Baale), followed by his son, Fasin (the second Baale), followed by Fasin’s son, Alagbin (the third Baale), and then followed by Alagbin’s son, Afonja.

Afonja doubled, during his time, as the Baale of Ilorin as well as the Are-Ona-Kakanfo of the Oyo Empire.

Why still talking abt Sokoto caliphate. Before the coming of whites all Hausa kingdoms were independent just like a nation. The main point I made to that ethno-religious bigot u're backing is to make him know the position of Sultan. Kanem Borno empire was existing 700yrs back, Sokoto caliphate was formed after amalgamation of Northern kingdoms which gave birth to another direction for Northern kingdoms. Now, all Islamic monarchs agree to have a single & acceptable head of traditional institutions (emirate) under Sokoto caliphate. The Illorin you're talking abt had connection with BAYAJIDDA children long before Danfodio's father found his way to Nigeria, so it's not issue of tribe and nevertheless Islam has more effect, stronger bind than tribe in a sane manner.
Believe me or not those naked, illiterates monarchs u quoted were never recognised by whites because of their way of life.
Sultan command more respect, has more followers than any other individual in Nigeria.

Coronabirus:
Why still talking abt Sokoto caliphate. Before the coming of whites all Hausa kingdoms were independent just like a nation. The main point I made to that ethno-religious bigot u're backing is to make him know the position of Sultan. Kanem Borno empire was existing 700yrs back, Sokoto caliphate was formed after amalgamation of Northern kingdoms which gave birth to another direction for Northern kingdoms. Now, all Islamic monarchs agree to have a single & acceptable head of traditional institutions (emirate) under Sokoto caliphate.

The invincible fact which you now seem to have covertly admitted is that:

The Sokoto caliphate, in comparison to Ife, is a baby monarchy conceived by Sheikh Uthman Dan Fodio 200 odd-years ago.

In sum then, the stool of the Ooni of Ife is more antique and thus more prestigious in comparison to the stool of the Sultan of Sokoto.

In fact, the present Sultan of Sokoto (Amir Muhammad S. Abubakar) appears to have publicly admitted this obvious fact sometimes recently.

A corroboration of the foregoing may be seen in a video in which the present Ooni citied the Sultan’s own words to this very effect. Yes, the Sultan was present there.

In sum then, @Rugaria ‘s remark (on the Sultan’s lowly stool in comparison to the Ooni’s stool) is in fact 100% accurate.

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Moving on now to your calculated distractions:

Firstly, Kanem-Bornu has nothing to do with Hausa or Fulani or Hausa-Fulani groups.

Kanem-Bornu is a ‘merged-polity’ of two independent groups — none of which relates to your people.

Moreover, Kanem kingdom or Bornu kingdom (or Kane-Bornu kingdom) is actually no where to be found today.

On the other hand, many ancient southern kingdoms (e.g. the sacred kingdom of IFE of over a millennium) continues to be in existence till date.

In sum then: Despite your attempt at distraction, you seem to have no Hausa-Fulani match comparable to what is obtainable in southern Nigerian.

The Illorin you're talking abt had connection with BAYAJIDDA

To nip this crap in the bud real quick:

The indigenous foundation and ownership of Ilorin has nothing to do with the legend of Bayajida.

Ilorin is an indigenous Oyo town founded, within the Oyo country, by Laderin who also was its first Baale.

Its present-day foreign connection is with a religion, namely: Islam — a religion which is also foreign to the Hausas and the Fulanis.

Its present-day Islamic connection was, however, via Sokoto which in turn delegated Islamic leaders for it.

This has continued till date as long as the indigenous people have continued to embrace the Islamic-model leadership.

In sum then, Ilorin’s origin or foundation has nothing to do with Bayajida. The number of extant ancestral Yoruba family compounds in Ilorin stands today at as 6,019; while Fulanis have only 92 extant compounds.

What you seem to be confused about is Ilorin’s first delegated Islamic leader, viz. Amir Abdussalami.

He is obviously of Hausa-Fulani origin and hence has connection with the Bayajida story.

•••Believe me or not those naked, illiterates monarchs u quoted were never recognised by whites because of their way of life.

What!? Naked?? illiterates?? I wonder what else you do with your brain if you’re dead-scared to reason.

You have provided zero evidence to demonstrate (or even suggest) that your people knew anything about clothes even in as recent as 500 years ago.

Whereas, I have provided you with hard redoubtable evidence of the use of clothes in the ancient kingdom of Ife dating to more than 700 years ago.

Yet somehow in your warped logic, my people are the naked ones (despite the contrary evidence) and your people were clothed (despite zero evidence). Wow!

On literacy: Like I have noted before, more than 900 years ago my people were into glass production (and dichroic beads) in IFE. [See: A. Babalola, S. K. McIntoch, L. Dussubieux, & T. Rehren: “Ile-Ife and Igbo Olokun in the History of Glass in West Africa,” Antiquity, June 2017].

At the time (and even prior), my people were also working metals to produce some the finest naturalistic bronze sculptures to which nothing is comparable in black Africa.

A European Art historian, Frank Willet, once remarked that the Ife sculptures "would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer” [See: Frank Willett, “Ife and Its Archaeology,” The Journal of African History, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1960), p. 239.].

These findings and words are not such as may be used to qualify an illiterate group of people. You may please begin to use your brain today.

Do you mind informing me of any notable home-grown Hausa-Fulani feat which may be said to be indicative of literacy or civilization? I’d like to see some evidence.

Sultan command more respect, has more followers than any other individual in Nigeria.

More respect and more followers in what sense??

Do you mean this in the sense of his superficial leadership of Nigerian Muslims as imposed by the Hausa-Fulani dominated FG? Lol.

I think Supo Ayokunle is more proud of something truly profound for being the leader of all Nigerian Christians. His leadership is the Nigerian Christians’ choice rather than FG imposition.

But if your comment here is in reference to the Sultan’s traditional Sokoto stool (rather than his superficial FG-imposed religious leadership in Nigeria), then consider the following:

The Ooni of Ife is not only IFE’s king, he is also the head of all Yoruba subgroups world-wide — as well as the head of some indigenous non-Yoruba groups of Nigeria and other parts of West Africa.

Cheers!

Fahdiga:
Obi Onitsha we know. who are others?

INVADERS FROM FUTA DJALON COMING TO ASK FOR PAYMENT FOR THE SERVICE RENDERED IN 2015/2019 ELECTIONS.

Fahdiga:
Obi Onitsha we know. who are others?

BUHARI'S BUSINESS CONSULTANTS.

daddytime:
Where is the Oba of the great Benin kingdom?

He is not a Tout.

Daddysidhan:
3nd class monarch are not invited.

He is not an EMIR OF BENIN. HE IS IKU OPOLOPOLO (PLENTY LIVES) IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

post=99804315:

Whatever will move our nation forward and bring lasting peace us all we are after @[/b].

God bless our darling Daddy President Muhammadu Buhari and his amiable Vice president Prof Yemi Osinbajo as they move our nation forward.

[b]God bless Nigeria.

He is WASHING CLEAN THE MACBAN TRUSTEES

olaolulazio:
Ok

I HOPE THE SOUTHERN MONARCHS ARE WATCHING THE BODY LANGUAGES OF ALL THE NW EMIRS AND THE SULTAN?

TAO11:
That’s false and meaningless.

Each of them is a co-chairman of the council.

No mind the mischief maker.

LilyColin:
Ogunwusi the asslicking useless King.





All these useless idle monarchs wey no add any value to the country.

Asslicking qua? The Monarch is an astute Diplomat. Never underrate him. He too is "OLUWA OLUWO" THE LORD PATHFINDER.

LilyColin:
Ogunwusi the asslicking useless King.





All these useless idle monarchs wey no add any value to the country.

Asslicking qua? The Monarch is an astute Diplomat. Never underrate him. He too is "OLUWA OLUWO" THE LORD PATHFINDER.

BUHARI AND THE SULTAN MUST PRAY WITH HIM TO GET OUT OF THE QUAGMIRE THAT THEY'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

ONE NIGERIA. THAT WILL PUT THE FULANI INVADERS FROM FUTA DJALON IN THEIR PROPER POSITION.

wwwihy:
Ranking of Obas

Ranking MONARCHS BY WHO? DEFINITELY NOT BY ONE WHO WANTS TO CONSIGN THEM TO NOGER REPUBLIC.

SegFault:

Bros this doesn't really mean anything, must we always turn everything to a tribal problem. Tribalism is really worse than racism.

Both are CONFLICTS WE MUST RESOLVE BY INDIVIDUALISM AND EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION, DELIBERATIONS AND RESOLUTIONS.

danvon:
"Ehen now you guys know I'm the true king and you have been misbehaving what should happen now"

Resign.