INTRO

It will be a happy enlightenment when the Spirit enables one to see that the last four books of Moses (Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) contain an exegetical commentary on the moral law of God. These writings contain an expansion of the Ten Commandments by showing the various ways each may be transgressed. Nowhere is this more evident than in Leviticus 18, showing how very broad is the seventh commandment, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” Such sins as incest, bestiality, adultery and sodomy are mentioned and condemned. The eighteenth chapter of Leviticus is an awful testimony to the depravity of human nature, especially in the realm of sexuality!

One such sin mentioned and forbidden is that abominable practice of homosexuality, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with woman kind; it is an abomination.” The expression, “to lie with,” is used in Scripture to describe illicit sexual unions (See I Samuel 2:22, Genesis 19:33-35). So is the term “to go into” (Genesis 38:9, Genesis 16:4). Thus, to “lie with mankind as with womankind,” is for two males to commit sex acts, one being “used” as one would use a woman, one man lying sexually with another man as one would with a woman, this the apostle Paul calls “unnatural” in Romans 1:26-27.

The legal marriage union is modestly described in Scripture as “to know” and “knew” (Genesis 4:2,25; Luke 1:35). This marriage bed is honorable in all and undefiled (Hebrews 13:4). Marriage in the biblical sense is a man and woman becoming one flesh by the conjugal union (Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:5, Ephesians 5:31). On the other hand homosexuality is a going after strange flesh (Jude 1:7). Only a man and a woman can become one flesh by the sexual union. Two of the same gender (homosexuals) is strange flesh, for it is other than God ordained in the beginning. “Male and female made He them” (Genesis 1:27).

THE ORIGINAL ORDER OF THE SEXES AS ORDAINED BY GOD

To fully comprehend the perversion involved in the practice of homosexuality, we have but to consider God’s creation in the beginning. God made Adam and Eve, a man and a woman (one of each). As some have said, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Frank; or Eve and Heather. One man and one woman to be his wife to live as husband and wife and to procreate the race. To them God gave the command to multiply and replenish the earth (Genesis 1:28). “Adam knew his wife and she conceived and bare..” (Genesis 4:1). This was to be done by the heterosexual union. The ONLY proper relation and sexual union is the heterosexual, i.e., one man and one woman becoming one flesh.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS IN EVERY CASE A VIOLATION OF DIVINE ORDER

Many today are declaring homosexuality to be a legitimate and normal “alternate” lifestyle. Apostate “reverends” are embracing this perverse conduct. The liberal cesspool that is Hollywood is seeking to force sodomy into general acceptance. The public school system, in the choke hold of liberal and humanistic social engineers, is pushing little children to believe that “gay is good.” States are passing special “hate crime” laws. We are told that the new national disease is “homophobia.” The media for the most part favors all homosexual causes.

The Scriptures are clear, homosexuality is a perversion of the divine order in every case and instance. It is abomination (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), i.e., a thing God detests. It is unnatural, therefore it is a perversion. In fact, in Romans chapter one, the apostle Paul calls homosexuality by such unflattering terms as “vile affections,” “against nature,” “unseemly,” “their error.”

Homosexuality is never a legitimate behavior according to the Word of God. No Christian should approve of such a thing. It is always a vile thing in God’s sight! The church must stand upon the Word of God against the acceptance of such a thing. In no wise is “gay” good. Let the Christian believe that sodomy was the sin for which God rained fire and brimstone down on the city of Sodom (Genesis 19) and was punishable by death under the old economy (Leviticus 20:13).

THE SOCIETY THAT TOLERATES AND APPROVES THIS SIN PUTS ITSELF UNDER THE JUDGMENT OF GOD

The society that looks with favor or approval upon homosexuality will rot away into complete moral degradation. This is one of the sins that God said would defile the land (Leviticus 18:27-30). God will not bless the nation that sanctions the sin of sodomy! Sodom and Gomorrah ever stand as a testimony to the fact that God detests the sin of homosexuality. “And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly.” (II Peter 2:6) “Are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 1:7) Though God will not rain fire and brimstone upon our land, yet the social and moral fabric will corrupt and society will rot away into moral decadence. God is not mocked and will in some way judge the society that grants acceptance to homosexuality.

THE APOSTLE PAUL’S CONDEMNATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN ROMANS 1

Let us focus our attention upon the text in Romans 1:26-27, it being among the strongest texts in the condemnation of the way called homosexuality. The apostle Paul is discussing the birth of paganism as apostasy from God’s revelation. God revealed his eternal power and godhead in creation, which men perverted and suppressed in unrighteousness. As a result of their perversion of the truth of God, they fell into degrading sins and God gave them over to uncleanness. As God abandoned them to their own wicked lusts, they fell into the most vile and unnatural sins, even the sin of homosexual perversion.

We can read at least three statements declaring that God abandoned them to their own evil hearts. “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves.” (vs 24) “For this cause God gave them up to vile affections.” (vs 26) “..God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.” (vs 28) As a consequence of God giving them over to the power of their lusts and the wickedness of their own depraved hearts, they fell into “all unrighteousness” (vs 29) even into the most degrading and defiling, homosexuality. Then, they forsook what the apostle Paul calls “the natural use” and both men and women espoused and practiced the lesbian and homosexual vices. “Even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.” i.e., they became lesbians and sexually cohabited with other women.

Leaving the natural they perverted themselves into the unnatural. This did “even the women.” Their females left the natural use, which is heterosexual, and turned toward their lusts which were lesbian. The apostle Paul speaks even more harshly of the men. “Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lusts one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly…” Note the perversion, “men with men.” This the law forbad. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22) When fallen sinners are ruled by their lusts and vile affections, when God lays the reins upon the neck, they will rush headlong into the most degrading way of life that leads to final destruction.

It ought to be noted that the apostle Paul here uses words to describe the two genders that are a further condemnation of their acts. He calls the women “females” and the men “males,” using the same terms as would apply to beasts and ignorant creatures. It is, “for even their females did change the natural use…” “likewise also the males, leaving the natural use of the female…” The word the apostle Paul uses here, translated “women” is used only twice in the whole of the New Testament, and both times are here in Romans 1:26-27. It simply means the female of the species and comes from the word which means to give suck, or suckle.

In describing the conduct of male homosexuals, the apostle Paul charges them with “leaving the natural use of the female.” The tense is, “having left.” They had already done so. Under the power of their vile affections and sordid lusts, they had already abandoned the natural order. They were driven to such behavior by the power of their insatiable lusts which burned out of control like the fires of hell… They burned with lust one toward another of the same gender. Men craving men! Having left the natural use of the woman, they are ignited with a lust too powerful to resist which craves other males. Their lusts flow from the gehenna that constantly burns as a perpetual fire in their hearts.

Let us make a point of comparison regarding the apostle Paul’s use of the words “the natural use.” The “natural” use of the woman is, of course, the heterosexual, i.e., man and woman in sexual union as ordained by God. This is to be consummated in a lawful union of marriage. Since homosexual unions are unnatural, the lust for homosexual relations is also unnatural. Thus, there is a natural lust and an unnatural lust. Natural lust is described by the apostle Paul in I Corinthians 7:1-9 as a man desiring a woman. Granted, this is a sinful lust according to Christ’s teaching in Matthew 5:27-28. The point is, it is “natural” lust in that it is not a desire for that which is perverse. Heterosexual unions (husband and wife) are ordained by God, while homosexual unions (two of the same gender) are forbidden because they violate the original ordination of God. Perhaps this is the proper place to make another point against homosexuality. In the beginning God made them male and female (Genesis 1:27). To put it as modestly as possible, the anatomical design of the bodies of men and women supports the heterosexual union in conjugal relations.

The apostle Paul calls the homosexual union “vile affections.” Affections in our modern language might well be rendered “passions.” Vile passions! Passions that are evil, dishonorable and degrading. Such as are not found even among the ignorant beasts. Homosexual acts are “unseemly,” i.e., shameful and disgraceful. It is a shame to speak of such things, much less to practice them!

THE APOSTLE PAUL TRACES HOMOSEXUALITY TO ITS BIRTH IN PAGANISM

How often are these two sorts of sin found together! Homosexuality practiced in idolatry fills the cup of human depravity. Ignorance of God leads to a variety of heinous sins, none of them greater than the perversion found in homosexuality. It was a common sin among the Greeks and the Romans, people that knew not God. To engage in idolatry is to exchange the truth of God for a lie, and to engage in sodomy is to exchange the natural for the unnatural. Both are drastic perversions of God’s order. In Romans 1 the apostle Paul presents idolatry and homosexuality as the ultimate degradation and consummate defilement of human nature and behavior. It is therefore abominable that some today are seeking to “Christianize” this perverted lifestyle as legitimate, Christian behavior. Pity the pathetic and apostate “reverends” that support homosexuality in the name of God! Practicing homosexuals are lost (I Corinthians 6:9-10) just as are practicing atheists or idolaters.

HOMOSEXUALITY BRINGS JUDGMENT UPON THOSE WHO PRACTICE IT

The apostle Paul says in Romans 1:27b, “and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet,” or which was fitting or proper to their sin. God is able to make the judgment fit the crime, often making sin the punishment for sin. Homosexuals pay a very heavy price (in this life) for their sin. God gives them over to the power of their lusts. He gives them besotted minds unable to discern the truth (Romans 1:28). Statistics show that homosexuals forfeit as much as thirty years of life expectancy by their “alternate lifestyle.” There are very few OLD homosexuals. Their numbers are ravaged by such diseases as AIDS. While they do live there is the guilt, the shame, the loneliness and alienation from their families. These are the judgments of God upon them. The fire and brimstone upon the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah is called an example to such as live ungodly. On the average, homosexuals die much sooner than their straight counterparts.

THE POLITICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY

Homosexuals, with the complicity of the biased liberal media, the moral debauchees in Hollywood, bleeding-heart liberals, and spineless, politically-correct politicians have been very successful in politicizing both the homosexual lifestyle and the disease of AIDS. First they adopted a harmless sounding name as a covering for the true nature of their behavior. Homosexuals have become “gays.” This is a deliberate ploy on their part to remove the stigma associated with “pervert.” As a result of this politicization of homosexuality we now have special “hate crime legislation” that imposes harsher penalties for any act of violence against one based on their “sexual orientation.”

This very article would be considered “hate speech” by the politically-correct crowd. Does this mean they also consider the Holy Scriptures to be filled with “hate speech” since they condemn homosexuality? They seek to bully their critics into silence by accusing them of being “homophobic” (the new national disease that requires “sensitivity training”). Well, I slap your homophobia on the snout. By the way, why are male homosexuals not called “femaphobic” since they do not love women in a sexual way?

THE SHAMELESS PERVERSION OF THE SCRIPTURES BY HOMOSEXUALS

Every false movement seems to have a religious wing. There are some homosexuals who are “religious,” attending where “gay is celebrated.” They pretend to find homosexuality in Scripture in such examples as Jonathan and David because it is said that their souls were knit together in love (I Samuel 18:1). Again they are so brazen as to suggest the same of Jesus and the apostle John because Christ loved John and the apostle leaned on the breast of the Holy One of God. They have charged that the apostle Paul was either a homosexual, or homophobic, since he talked a lot about homosexuality.

Such homosexual organizations as N.A.M.B.L.A. (North American Man-Boy Love Association) have advocated the abolishment of all laws restricting sex with children. And don’t forget how many serial killers are homosexuals. They are a horrible blight upon any society.

We Christians are bound to take the side of Scripture in such matters as homosexuality. Let God be true and every man a liar.

Homosexuality the Unnatural Sin

https://bbc-lawton.org/homosexuality-the-unnatural-sin/

Brendaniel:
INTRO

It will be a happy enlightenment when the Spirit enables one to see that the last four books of Moses (Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) contain an exegetical commentary on the moral law of God. These writings contain an expansion of the Ten Commandments by showing the various ways each may be transgressed. Nowhere is this more evident than in Leviticus 18, showing how very broad is the seventh commandment, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” Such sins as incest, bestiality, adultery and sodomy are mentioned and condemned. The eighteenth chapter of Leviticus is an awful testimony to the depravity of human nature, especially in the realm of sexuality!

One such sin mentioned and forbidden is that abominable practice of homosexuality, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with woman kind; it is an abomination.” The expression, “to lie with,” is used in Scripture to describe illicit sexual unions (See I Samuel 2:22, Genesis 19:33-35). So is the term “to go into” (Genesis 38:9, Genesis 16:4). Thus, to “lie with mankind as with womankind,” is for two males to commit sex acts, one being “used” as one would use a woman, one man lying sexually with another man as one would with a woman, this the apostle Paul calls “unnatural” in Romans 1:26-27.

The legal marriage union is modestly described in Scripture as “to know” and “knew” (Genesis 4:2,25; Luke 1:35). This marriage bed is honorable in all and undefiled (Hebrews 13:4). Marriage in the biblical sense is a man and woman becoming one flesh by the conjugal union (Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:5, Ephesians 5:31). On the other hand homosexuality is a going after strange flesh (Jude 1:7). Only a man and a woman can become one flesh by the sexual union. Two of the same gender (homosexuals) is strange flesh, for it is other than God ordained in the beginning. “Male and female made He them” (Genesis 1:27).

THE ORIGINAL ORDER OF THE SEXES AS ORDAINED BY GOD

To fully comprehend the perversion involved in the practice of homosexuality, we have but to consider God’s creation in the beginning. God made Adam and Eve, a man and a woman (one of each). As some have said, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Frank; or Eve and Heather. One man and one woman to be his wife to live as husband and wife and to procreate the race. To them God gave the command to multiply and replenish the earth (Genesis 1:28). “Adam knew his wife and she conceived and bare..” (Genesis 4:1). This was to be done by the heterosexual union. The ONLY proper relation and sexual union is the heterosexual, i.e., one man and one woman becoming one flesh.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS IN EVERY CASE A VIOLATION OF DIVINE ORDER

Many today are declaring homosexuality to be a legitimate and normal “alternate” lifestyle. Apostate “reverends” are embracing this perverse conduct. The liberal cesspool that is Hollywood is seeking to force sodomy into general acceptance. The public school system, in the choke hold of liberal and humanistic social engineers, is pushing little children to believe that “gay is good.” States are passing special “hate crime” laws. We are told that the new national disease is “homophobia.” The media for the most part favors all homosexual causes.

The Scriptures are clear, homosexuality is a perversion of the divine order in every case and instance. It is abomination (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), i.e., a thing God detests. It is unnatural, therefore it is a perversion. In fact, in Romans chapter one, the apostle Paul calls homosexuality by such unflattering terms as “vile affections,” “against nature,” “unseemly,” “their error.”

Homosexuality is never a legitimate behavior according to the Word of God. No Christian should approve of such a thing. It is always a vile thing in God’s sight! The church must stand upon the Word of God against the acceptance of such a thing. In no wise is “gay” good. Let the Christian believe that sodomy was the sin for which God rained fire and brimstone down on the city of Sodom (Genesis 19) and was punishable by death under the old economy (Leviticus 20:13).

THE SOCIETY THAT TOLERATES AND APPROVES THIS SIN PUTS ITSELF UNDER THE JUDGMENT OF GOD

The society that looks with favor or approval upon homosexuality will rot away into complete moral degradation. This is one of the sins that God said would defile the land (Leviticus 18:27-30). God will not bless the nation that sanctions the sin of sodomy! Sodom and Gomorrah ever stand as a testimony to the fact that God detests the sin of homosexuality. “And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly.” (II Peter 2:6) “Are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 1:7) Though God will not rain fire and brimstone upon our land, yet the social and moral fabric will corrupt and society will rot away into moral decadence. God is not mocked and will in some way judge the society that grants acceptance to homosexuality.

T[b]HE APOSTLE PAUL’S CONDEMNATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN ROMANS 1[/b]

Let us focus our attention upon the text in Romans 1:26-27, it being among the strongest texts in the condemnation of the way called homosexuality. The apostle Paul is discussing the birth of paganism as apostasy from God’s revelation. God revealed his eternal power and godhead in creation, which men perverted and suppressed in unrighteousness. As a result of their perversion of the truth of God, they fell into degrading sins and God gave them over to uncleanness. As God abandoned them to their own wicked lusts, they fell into the most vile and unnatural sins, even the sin of homosexual perversion.

We can read at least three statements declaring that God abandoned them to their own evil hearts. “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves.” (vs 24) “For this cause God gave them up to vile affections.” (vs 26) “..God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.” (vs 28) As a consequence of God giving them over to the power of their lusts and the wickedness of their own depraved hearts, they fell into “all unrighteousness” (vs 29) even into the most degrading and defiling, homosexuality. Then, they forsook what the apostle Paul calls “the natural use” and both men and women espoused and practiced the lesbian and homosexual vices. “Even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.” i.e., they became lesbians and sexually cohabited with other women.

Leaving the natural they perverted themselves into the unnatural. This did “even the women.” Their females left the natural use, which is heterosexual, and turned toward their lusts which were lesbian. The apostle Paul speaks even more harshly of the men. “Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lusts one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly…” Note the perversion, “men with men.” This the law forbad. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22) When fallen sinners are ruled by their lusts and vile affections, when God lays the reins upon the neck, they will rush headlong into the most degrading way of life that leads to final destruction.

It ought to be noted that the apostle Paul here uses words to describe the two genders that are a further condemnation of their acts. He calls the women “females” and the men “males,” using the same terms as would apply to beasts and ignorant creatures. It is, “for even their females did change the natural use…” “likewise also the males, leaving the natural use of the female…” The word the apostle Paul uses here, translated “women” is used only twice in the whole of the New Testament, and both times are here in Romans 1:26-27. It simply means the female of the species and comes from the word which means to give suck, or suckle.

In describing the conduct of male homosexuals, the apostle Paul charges them with “leaving the natural use of the female.” The tense is, “having left.” They had already done so. Under the power of their vile affections and sordid lusts, they had already abandoned the natural order. They were driven to such behavior by the power of their insatiable lusts which burned out of control like the fires of hell… They burned with lust one toward another of the same gender. Men craving men! Having left the natural use of the woman, they are ignited with a lust too powerful to resist which craves other males. Their lusts flow from the gehenna that constantly burns as a perpetual fire in their hearts.

Let us make a point of comparison regarding the apostle Paul’s use of the words “the natural use.” The “natural” use of the woman is, of course, the heterosexual, i.e., man and woman in sexual union as ordained by God. This is to be consummated in a lawful union of marriage. Since homosexual unions are unnatural, the lust for homosexual relations is also unnatural. Thus, there is a natural lust and an unnatural lust. Natural lust is described by the apostle Paul in I Corinthians 7:1-9 as a man desiring a woman. Granted, this is a sinful lust according to Christ’s teaching in Matthew 5:27-28. The point is, it is “natural” lust in that it is not a desire for that which is perverse. Heterosexual unions (husband and wife) are ordained by God, while homosexual unions (two of the same gender) are forbidden because they violate the original ordination of God. Perhaps this is the proper place to make another point against homosexuality. In the beginning God made them male and female (Genesis 1:27). To put it as modestly as possible, the anatomical design of the bodies of men and women supports the heterosexual union in conjugal relations.

The apostle Paul calls the homosexual union “vile affections.” Affections in our modern language might well be rendered “passions.” Vile passions! Passions that are evil, dishonorable and degrading. Such as are not found even among the ignorant beasts. Homosexual acts are “unseemly,” i.e., shameful and disgraceful. It is a shame to speak of such things, much less to practice them!

THE APOSTLE PAUL TRACES HOMOSEXUALITY TO ITS BIRTH IN PAGANISM

How often are these two sorts of sin found together! Homosexuality practiced in idolatry fills the cup of human depravity. Ignorance of God leads to a variety of heinous sins, none of them greater than the perversion found in homosexuality. It was a common sin among the Greeks and the Romans, people that knew not God. To engage in idolatry is to exchange the truth of God for a lie, and to engage in sodomy is to exchange the natural for the unnatural. Both are drastic perversions of God’s order. In Romans 1 the apostle Paul presents idolatry and homosexuality as the ultimate degradation and consummate defilement of human nature and behavior. It is therefore abominable that some today are seeking to “Christianize” this perverted lifestyle as legitimate, Christian behavior. Pity the pathetic and apostate “reverends” that support homosexuality in the name of God! Practicing homosexuals are lost (I Corinthians 6:9-10) just as are practicing atheists or idolaters.

HOMOSEXUALITY BRINGS JUDGMENT UPON THOSE WHO PRACTICE IT

The apostle Paul says in Romans 1:27b, “and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet,” or which was fitting or proper to their sin. God is able to make the judgment fit the crime, often making sin the punishment for sin. Homosexuals pay a very heavy price (in this life) for their sin. God gives them over to the power of their lusts. He gives them besotted minds unable to discern the truth (Romans 1:28). Statistics show that homosexuals forfeit as much as thirty years of life expectancy by their “alternate lifestyle.” There are very few OLD homosexuals. Their numbers are ravaged by such diseases as AIDS. While they do live there is the guilt, the shame, the loneliness and alienation from their families. These are the judgments of God upon them. The fire and brimstone upon the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah is called an example to such as live ungodly. On the average, homosexuals die much sooner than their straight counterparts.

THE POLITICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY

Homosexuals, with the complicity of the biased liberal media, the moral debauchees in Hollywood, bleeding-heart liberals, and spineless, politically-correct politicians have been very successful in politicizing both the homosexual lifestyle and the disease of AIDS. First they adopted a harmless sounding name as a covering for the true nature of their behavior. Homosexuals have become “gays.” This is a deliberate ploy on their part to remove the stigma associated with “pervert.” As a result of this politicization of homosexuality we now have special “hate crime legislation” that imposes harsher penalties for any act of violence against one based on their “sexual orientation.”

This very article would be considered “hate speech” by the politically-correct crowd. Does this mean they also consider the Holy Scriptures to be filled with “hate speech” since they condemn homosexuality? They seek to bully their critics into silence by accusing them of being “homophobic” (the new national disease that requires “sensitivity training”). Well, I slap your homophobia on the snout. By the way, why are male homosexuals not called “femaphobic” since they do not love women in a sexual way?

THE SHAMELESS PERVERSION OF THE SCRIPTURES BY HOMOSEXUALS

Every false movement seems to have a religious wing. There are some homosexuals who are “religious,” attending where “gay is celebrated.” They pretend to find homosexuality in Scripture in such examples as Jonathan and David because it is said that their souls were knit together in love (I Samuel 18:1). Again they are so brazen as to suggest the same of Jesus and the apostle John because Christ loved John and the apostle leaned on the breast of the Holy One of God. They have charged that the apostle Paul was either a homosexual, or homophobic, since he talked a lot about homosexuality.

Such homosexual organizations as N.A.M.B.L.A. (North American Man-Boy Love Association) have advocated the abolishment of all laws restricting sex with children. And don’t forget how many serial killers are homosexuals. They are a horrible blight upon any society.

We Christians are bound to take the side of Scripture in such matters as homosexuality. Let God be true and every man a liar.

Homosexuality the Unnatural Sin

https://bbc-lawton.org/homosexuality-the-unnatural-sin/

OP you're right but the best thing you could have done is to summarize it.

Missyajoke:


OP you're right but the best thing you could have done is to summarize it.

Yeah, I would have summarized it but I wanted to leave it with the complete Bible references and complete analysis, by the way I saw your topic on https://www.nairaland.com/6256931/does-anyone-know-how-receive . Do you still need information on that?

Brendaniel:


Yeah, I would have summarized it but I wanted to leave it with the complete Bible references and complete analysis, by the way I saw your topic on https://www.nairaland.com/6256931/does-anyone-know-how-receive . Do you still need information on that?

No have styled it thanks

Missyajoke:


No have styled it thanks

Great!

Two genders that hate each other coming together to fight two genders that love each other...

Brendaniel:

The society that looks with favor or approval upon homosexuality will rot away into complete moral degradation.

Pity you just copied and pasted this. I wonder what country you live in and if you trust what you can see with your own eyes if you opened them and looked.

Homosexuality has been legal in Europe for about 100 years after being illegal for long before that, yet here you are using the book they brought you and now use to inform them to pass laws to make it illegal to discriminate against homosexuals to justify your own discrimination.

Could you kindly inform me how stupid the Africans swimming across the Mediterranean Ocean to Europe will have to be if it is Europe that is rotting away and not the Africa they are running away from?

budaatum:


Pity you just copied and pasted this. I wonder what country you live in and if you trust what you can see with your own eyes if you opened them and looked.

Homosexuality has been legal in Europe for about 100 years after being illegal for long before that, yet here you are using the book they brought you and now use to inform them to pass laws to make it illegal to discriminate against homosexuals to justify your own discrimination.

Could you kindly inform me how stupid the Africans swimming across the Mediterranean Ocean to Europe will have to be if it is Europe that is rotting away and not the Africa they are running away from?

Legality doesn't make something true, let me ask you a question, how do you know a truth from a lie?

Brendaniel:


Legality doesn't make something true, let me ask you a question, how do you know a truth from a lie?

Are you answering my question with a question in order to avoid answering my question Brendaniel?

I check the evidence. If it conforms to the facts, it's likly true, and if it doesn't conform to the facts, it's likely a lie.

That is why I stated facts in my post that you can check for yourself.

Now, will you answer my questions?

budaatum:


Are you answering my question with a question in order to avoid answering my question Brendaniel?

I check the evidence. If it conforms to the facts, it's likly true, and if it doesn't conform to the facts, it's likely a lie.

That is why I stated facts in my post that you can check for yourself.

Now, will you answer my questions?

Could you kindly inform me how stupid the Africans swimming across the Mediterranean Ocean to Europe will have to be if it is Europe that is rotting away and not the Africa they are running away from?

Firstly, There is nothing special in living in Europe, however for those who choose to run there is a matter of choice, I personally have said I would not raise a family in a country where gay is legalized( my personal choice though), there is no perfect country, every country has it's own issues, for the fact people are running from Africa to Europe today doesn't mean Europe will forever remain better than Africa, there was a time people also ran to Egypt in the same Africa to be prosperous too, so what happened to Egypt too, they fell, and I can tell you for a fact that they fell because at some point in time they took very wrong decisions that led to their fall, however I'm not linking it it to any gay stuff...

Secondly, legalizing gay has nothing to do with advancement, I mean all the technologies and the good leadership they are enjoying was never as a result of legalizing gay, whether they legalized gay or not will not have changed anything, gay practice is a personal thing, it doesn't increase intelligence in any way, or do you have any proof to show that gay practice or legalizing gay practice has anything to do with advancement, now the claim that society will rot away because of gay practice by the preacher will be proved in my second response of your quote...

I check the evidence. If it conforms to the facts, it's likly true, and if it doesn't conform to the facts, it's likely a lie.

Simply put, you put the claims to a test, if it fails it's a lie, if it doesn't it's the truth, there are only 2 options in life: TRUTH or LIE
I will explain further in my second response, it's all connected...

Brendaniel:

Legality doesn't make something true, let me ask you a question, how do you know a truth from a lie?

But following the Truth of God Himself,Jesus Christ, what you teach here is a lie (doctrine and tradition of men) which has nothing to do with the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven which He sent you out to teach the world.

In John 8, that when you accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments, it is then you shall know the Truth(Jesus Christ) and the Truth(Jesus Christ) will set you from slavery to sin, and make you a Son of God.

So If you yourself do not obey the Truth of God who commands you against the teaching of doctrines and traditions(commandments) of men, which are nothing but lies that deceive and distract from Christ's teachings, what makes you think that what you have is the Truth?

Kobojunkie:
But following the Truth of God Himself,Jesus Christ, what you teach here is a lie (doctrine and tradition of men) which has nothing to do with the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven which He sent you out to teach the world.

In John 8, that when you accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments, it is then you shall know the Truth(Jesus Christ) and the Truth(Jesus Christ) will set you from slavery to sin, and make you a Son of God.

So If you yourself do not obey the Truth of God who commands you against the teaching of doctrines and traditions(commandments) of men, which are nothing but lies that deceive and distract from Christ's teachings, what makes you think that what you have is the Truth?

Dude I don't know the doctrine you are talking about here...

Brendaniel:

Dude I don't know the doctrine you are talking about here...

Your OP is the doctrine of men, no different from what Jesus Christ accused the Pharisees of doing, in this case, what you teach here it is not taught anywhere in the Gospels by Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Your OP is the doctrine of men, no different from what Jesus Christ accused the Pharisees of doing, in this case, what you teach here it is not taught anywhere in the Gospels by Jesus Christ.

Please can you highlight the doctrine you are talking about?

Brendaniel:

Please can you highlight the doctrine you are talking about?

Please locate for us exactly where in His teachings, Jesus taught you what it is you are here teaching others in His name?

P.S. the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven can be found in the 4 gospels.

Kobojunkie:
Please locate for us exactly where in His teachings, Jesus taught you what it is you are here teaching others in His name?

P.S. the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven can be found in the 4 gospels.

You've not still answered me, highlight a part or a sentence or something, your question is very broad, show me a sample of what you are talking about from the teaching...

Brendaniel:

You've not still answered me, highlight a part or a sentence or something, your question is very broad, show me a sample of what you are talking about from the teaching...

When I stated that your OP was it, I meant your entire OP was it .

Kobojunkie:
When I stated that your OP was it, I meant your entire OP was it .

Then you have no proof to back up your claim, I need something in the content as proof...

Brendaniel:

Then you have no proof to back up your claim, I need something in the content as proof...

I have proof, and the proof is the very Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven which Jesus Christ taught all of His followers to accept(trust) and obey does not include any of what you claim above.

Jesus Christ taught us that He has not come to condemn but to save and He never gave us a mandate to attack the sinner in anyway. Instead, His instructions were that we teach what He taught us, as He taught us, to all the world, baptising them unto Salvation.

He warned us against adopting doctrines and traditions(commandments) of men(born of intelligence of men) which He said were instead lies meant to deceive people in His name.

Kobojunkie:
I have proof, and the proof is the very Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven which Jesus Christ taught all of His followers to accept(trust) and obey does not include any of what you claim above.

Jesus Christ taught us that He has not come to condemn but to save and He never gave us a mandate to attack the sinner in anyway. Instead, His instructions were that we teach what He taught us, as He taught us, to all the world, baptising them unto Salvation.

He warned us against adopting doctrines and traditions(commandments) of men(born of intelligence of men) which He said were instead lies meant to deceive people in His name.

you've not still answered me, highlight a reference in my post as evidence of doctrine...

Brendaniel:

you've not still answered me, highlight a reference in my post as evidence of doctrine...

I see you like playing "dodge" ball.

Kobojunkie:
I see you like playing "dodge" ball.

dodge ball as in how, you said I am preaching doctrine, bring out a sample of doctrine you say I am preaching, it's like you saying someone stole something and you cannot say what he stole, but you keep calling him thief, so in all my posts you cannot identify the doctrine that you claim I am preaching, I can only see how confused you are, If you cannot highlight a statement of doctrine from my post, please don't quote me again, because I will not answer you...

Brendaniel:
dodge ball as in how, you said I am preaching doctrine, bring out a sample of doctrine you say I am preaching, it's like you saying someone stole something and you cannot say what he stole, but you keep calling him thief, so in all my posts you cannot identify the doctrine that you claim I am preaching, I can only see how confused you are, If you cannot highlight a statement of doctrine from my post, please don't quote me again, because I will not answer you...

Kobojunkie:
When I stated that your OP was it, I meant your entire OP was it .

Your entire OP(original post) is a doctrine of men, a teaching that is not based on Jesus Christ's own Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven but instead your own ideas and rules attempted in the Name of God.

Jesus Christ warned against the attaching of such doctrines and commandments of men to His message(New Covenant) which He commanded us to go teach the world.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}

Brendaniel:

Secondly, legalizing gay has nothing to do with advancement, I mean all the technologies and the good leadership they are enjoying was never as a result of legalizing gay, whether they legalized gay or not will not have changed anything, gay practice is a personal thing, it doesn't increase intelligence in any way, or do you have any proof to show that gay practice or legalizing gay practice has anything to do with advancement, now the claim that society will rot away because of gay practice by the preacher will be proved in my second response of your quote...

I check the evidence. If it conforms to the facts, it's likly true, and if it doesn't conform to the facts, it's likely a lie.

Simply put, you put the claims to a test, if it fails it's a lie, if it doesn't it's the truth, there are only 2 options in life: TRUTH or LIE
I will explain further in my second response, it's all connected...

I guess you'd need to understand the harm done by criminalizing homosexuality and the reasons for decriminalizing it which I doubt would be of any concern to you since your mind is absolutely made up.

Decriminalization (which is the proper word, and not legalizing) homosexuality, is indeed a sign of progression of thought, as it shows a society that considers loving one another as being much more important than discriminating against people because of how and whom they wish to have sex with provided both parties are of consenting age.

Brendaniel:

When you talk you are only repeating what you already know, when you listen you might learn something new, talk less and do more, do more and talk less, I have seen through and through you...

But I am certain you would not agree that the above was a mere projection of yourself, because while you claim to have been watching buda's mote, you were obviously not watching your own forest.

Kobojunkie:


Your entire OP(original post) is a doctrine of men, a teaching that is not based on Jesus Christ's own Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven but instead your own ideas and rules attempted in the Name of God.

Jesus Christ warned against the attaching of such doctrines and commandments of men to His message(New Covenant) which He commanded us to go teach the world.

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}

I would like you to notice that he believes what he is claiming here, and I bet you that nothing you or anyone says will shake that belief.

budaatum:


I guess you'd need to understand the harm done by criminalizing homosexuality and the reasons for decriminalizing it which I doubt would be of any concern to you since your mind is absolutely made up.

Decriminalization (which is the proper word, and not legalizing) homosexuality, is indeed a sign of progression of thought, as it shows a society that considers loving one another as being much more important than discriminating against people because of how and whom they wish to have sex with provided both parties are of consenting age.



But I am certain you would not agree that the above was a mere projection of yourself, because while you claim to have been watching buda's mote, you were obviously not watching your own forest.

The end justifies the beginning, the truth will always stand at the end...

Brendaniel:


The end justifies the beginning, the truth will always stand at the end...

As I said, there is Nigeria where homosexuality is a crime, and there is Europe where homosexuality is decriminalized.

Now go check the evidence to see which seems like heaven and which is more like hell so the truth may stand on the facts, as it should.

budaatum:


As I said, there is Nigeria where homosexuality is a crime, and there is Europe where homosexuality is decriminalized.

Now go check the evidence to see which seems like heaven and which is more like hell so the truth may stand on the facts, as it should.

The truth will always prevail at the end...

Brendaniel:


The truth will always prevail at the end...

Open your eyes. The truth is prevailing already or you'd be policing the sinful acts of heterosexuals.

budaatum:


Open your eyes. The truth is prevailing already or you'd be policing the sinful acts of heterosexuals.

The truth prevails in all aspects of life, this goes beyond homosexuals or heterosexuals, it's only a matter of time...

Brendaniel:


The truth prevails in all aspects of life, this goes beyond homosexuals or heterosexuals, it's only a matter of time...

I heard that one before, lol. Is it not called rapture? I hope you know that the penalty for homosexuality in Nigeria is death, yet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has been sentenced for it, except in a Sharia Court, which I am absolutely certain you'd oppose more than you oppose homosexuality.

Yes, it does go beyond sex. I just can't believe you'd be attempting to scare grown people with a boogeythought in this day and age especially after we've found out we shall not surely die on the day we eat fruits of knowledge.

We will live long Brendaniel. The day will come when Nigerians will be imprisoned for attacking homosexuals.

budaatum:


I heard that one before, lol. Is it not called rapture? I hope you know that the penalty for homosexuality in Nigeria is death, yet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has been sentenced for it, except in a Sharia Court, which I am absolutely certain you'd oppose more than you oppose homosexuality.

Yes, it does go beyond sex. I just can't believe you'd be attempting to scare grown people with a boogeythought in this day and age especially after we've found out we shall not surely die on the day we eat fruits of knowledge.

We will live long Brendaniel. The day will come when Nigerians will be imprisoned for attacking homosexuals.

Firstly the punishment for homosexuals in Nigeria is not death, secondly I don't subscribe to attacking homosexuals physically, but then the law should take it's course, I have tried to protect a homosexual friend from rape before, but I will always speak the truth, because at the end the truth will always prevail...