Idowuogbo:

hea a noboby , so no comments

awww. . . how can that be

confused about hills and valleys

In dire need of dating

debosky:

RCCG returns 1 kobo, y'all will come back and claim he gave more. if they return 50m, people will still say he gave much more but they are witholding the rest. You CANNOT satisfy people's desires, no matter what you do.

You did your best to explain and tried not to offend, but I personally have never been afraid of offending anyone for any reason. Let everyone be offended but let the truth be told.
Akingbola singly owned ICB for about 15 years. He has his personal money. He's still the major shareholder of ICB. He gave to the church out of his personal money. He has always been very wealthy. Why must it be said that the gift he made to church was from loot (if there was ever any looting in the first place). Those calling for returning whatever monies are Muslims who're here to mud-sling. Let them vacate the biggest mosque in Niger state because IBB built it with OBVIOUSLY stolen money. Let them vacate the ASO VILLA mosque because the proceed was obviously stolen. Let them ask PDP to refund all the billions Dangote and the likes gave them because we know the sources of such monies.
Akingbola has never even been proven to have taken any kobo and someone wants him hanged. If he runs away, our justice system is very clear on it. Trial will continue and if case is proven against him, then they'll either wait for his return or get assistance from Interpol. Why are we playing politics with everything? It is evident that those who want to take over ICB are succeeding, why won't they also go and take over Lion Bank and All States? Because those ones failed and they're not interested in failed business. If you don't know, then know it now that Akingbola as at today still control highest shares in ICB, have they taken it from him? Not yet.
Let a spade be called a spade. Like I said before I don't belong to RCCG and Heaven knows I don't have any plan of joining them tomorrow, but can someone stand up and say the truth?
Let them convict him in absentia, it's 100% allowed in our laws and if anyone need examples I can cite them. What they want is to take the man to dungeon, rubbish him there and take all the useless glory for dishonoring an honest man.

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ogajim:

There were only"money changers" in the Temple?

Matthew 21:12-13 (King James Version)

12And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

I guess you use a Bible different from most of us

Are you asking or saying they are all money changers?
But your quote says everything there is to understand there. And money changers don't mean bankers. If you don't agree I can explain more.

My versions of Bible are. NIV, NKJV, KJV, NLT, and the Vulgate.

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@thehomer and justcool. . . I think it's time to quit this talk about work since rigidity of opinion has entered into it. We need to go individually and research on it and any result should remain with the individual for future reference.
I also think that definition of work might not contribute much here because the nature of this discussion leads more towards Metaphysics.
Finally, can Deep Sight come here and give direction to things so that we can move forward.

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Ignoramus per excellence

morpheus24:

And for once Mpele makes some sense.

That "Jabulani" ball must have hit you on the head again and shook some nerve cells, cause I can't believe you actuallly analyzed a subject matter,

I think your time is up. Neo is waiting!

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ogajim:

Aren't bankers equal to "money changers" that Jesus drove out of the Temple in anger? The fact that some people would do anything for money should not include those who call themselves Christians.

Wrong argument. Those guys were selling doves, onions, kulikuli and some unclean animals in the temple

Bankers were the big boys that had offices to deal, so they didn't deal in the temple.

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waka pass

Pastor AIO:

you cannot have scored very highly in english comprehension when you were in school. 

B) The argument in my post above is based on consistency. ie, If you rely on the mosaic law and derive the practice of tithes from it, then in order to be consistent you must also prohibit usury which is a sin unto God and is basically what bankers do.

You started by peeling her off. Not very good.
Talking about consistency, that place you quoted didn't say not to do usury, but not to collect interest from your brother who is poor. The big Q is: Who is your brother? And what is the definition of poor? And until you define those, the blanket condemnation of usury won't work. You can lend with interest to those who aren't your brothers. Also note that your brother you shouldn't lend to with interest are "the poor" ones. If a rich brother needs money to run business, he's going to profit from it, so he should pay interest. "I am your God that teach you to profit" is the word of God in the same Deuteronomy. Ok?

P.S: Tithing is in the New Testament and recommended by Christ Himself, maybe you should start by reading Matt 23 vs 23 (But let's not go over to tithing here please).

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Manofsteel:

@ Post
I still dont get what you mean by ''quick erection''. Could you explain ? Quick erection isnt a common male problem.

There is no such sickness as "quick erection", it's only acknowledged by the drug dealers among us

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nopuqeater <----- Why is it so easy for you to call another person a lair. You just called me that in the thread about being born with original sin, and here now you're doing the same thing again. I had to take time to look thru your posts and that of vedaxcool, and I could count more than 30 times both of you together call people lairs. Is it your best manners?

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blacksta:

I think you are the real Joker.  Controlling premature explusion with drugs is a myth. 

@Poster

I can assure you that your issue is not unique and clearly common amongst men new to the whole sexual experience. 

I can confirm that with time you will master a technique that will allow you control and master the flow of your juice.

It is in your head. You will will control your flow just like you can make one eye blink.


It is your body - so control it.

You capture my sentiment exactly. I had the same problem when I was "practicing" But later I started reading up books (many of them) and it was all the same story. Everyone suffered that humiliating thing in the beginning. That's why I seem to be mocking the guy that posted endless ailments that his single drug cures, he was even careful to add the OP's apparent mistake (quick erection) as ailment to make sure he captures the guy's interest .
Why are our people so drug minded. With lil practice you can move from lasting a few seconds to several minutes until you get to a point where your waist begins to pain you from too much piston action

Bros you ain't got no ailment. Just practice. But stay safe!!!

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nopuqeater:

@Precap2: « #98 on: July 27, 2010, 10:41 AM »What I said happens to be the truth. Thats completely different from your lies. We in Islam are not christians and we do not worship ghost, Jesus, father or Jesus mama. So how are we like Catholic denomination of Christianity?


If you dont inherit sin, what the heck is Jesus dying for, while some of you call him the 2nd Adam, because the 1st Adam caused man to be sinners, even from birth? You dont read your Bible i gather, because Yahweh cursed man and then woman because of this. What my muslim brother Vedexcool said about Jesus is this; If you said he came for washing you from your sins, then a good christian should be able to produce children who are sinless from birth, and not the one that still has the sin from Adam dangling over the baby's head. A good christina should produce a good child of the same kind, and not sinful baby! This is an argument itself against Jesus being son of God, for he would have had the exact nature of God. Obviously he didnt; instead it was the nature of his momma that he had. A human being; he was fatigued, tired slept, slumbered, hungered, cried, wept, prayed to God, servant sent by God, shouted to God Whose Name is Eloi etc. None of these do God Almighty do.


While the Bible is not revelation from God, based on your question here. Quran on the other hand is. So a messenger receives revelation. He writes it down. In the case of Muhammad (AS), he asked people to write it down, make copies among the community, memorize it and recite it, often. And my children, sons are those kids that I have intercourse with the mother who got pregnant with them based on the sexual action. Looking at it from this point, I do not know if any person not from my sexual action with his mother my son. Do you? How about a nephew who calls you dad; is he your son? Allah cancels adoption when He says that "Call the children by their father's name(s)". Any question? Who is Muhammad's son that had a wife that he married" Kasim, Ibrahim? Who? You need not walk Wilshire boulevard all night long, man.

Buying a copy of Bible is not enough, what use is it to you if you read without understanding?
First of all, your Muhammad was a terror tool in the hands of Roman Catholics. If you don't know this, you've been served worn infested dinner. He copied many things from catholicism but later had to drop some of them to sound different. If you know the full history of how and where he shouted "allahu akbar", you'd be coming close to the truth.
Knowing little about your bosom religion, you delve into Christianity to find solace, then you got yourself a copy of Bible but you still have too much of the attitude that would be dire encumbrance to you understanding the Holy Scriptures. Divest yourself of preconceptions before you try to read the Bible again. My explaining the death of Jesus to you will make no meaning unless you first clear the cobwebs in your thought pattern. I don't think it would be easy because the Bible says in Proverbs 22 vs 6 "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is older he'll never depart from it". You see the problem? You have been trained to think a certain way so you won't understand another. So sad

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Gidtruth:


I make the most laughable and demented post in nairaland

What do I carry in this head for a brain?!

He has confirmed my worst fears. He's deranged. So sorry G.

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Beaf:

Such knowledge to rule can only come from participating actively in his countries affairs and Wyclef really stands out as far as that is concerned.

Then let him go for it. He'll have the support of all of us, even if merely verbal.

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Mpele:

Xenophobia is mainly in poor areas of SA. Some of us went to school wth lot of Africans and we never had a problem with them.
[b]This is clearly a legacy of Apartheid, it has done a lot of psychological damage, most blacks never knew that other places existed. [/b]They don't really see other blacks as people, especially if you are darker.
It is up to government to teach Black South Africans, that they're the same as their African brothers, they're not better than them.
I've also realised that Zulu's and Xhosas are the most xenophobic.

Very painful. Are there things that the SA government, which is in the hands of black people now, are doing to solve the problem?

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Inquisitive

I hav spoukin, but to be democrat: vat ar ya?

chillbabe:

Just wandering why the advise is only online bussiness. Can some1 give other advice. I want 2 start asswell and i have 50k am nt an pc person.

Read thru again and you'll see some offline biz. Modify and use.

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Moyola:

woteva madchu saydat!. . .nofin to take crious here dude!

Loving and kind. . . berra?

Frivolous and spoiled

Deep Sight:

I am surprised that you say this. Might I ask you what you make of the term "logic"? Logic is that which rationally and consistently follows through - like a pattern, you might say.

When you think about it properly you might see that one thing causes another - one thing follows from another, and as such it is utterly impossible for anything to be illogical.

A pure illogicallity, therefore, cannot exist. - And this holds true in terms of any form of existence.

It is for this reason that logic is a strong tool for understanding all that exists - beacuse everything is predicated on cause and effect, or for self-existent things, on rationale: therefore on logic. Thus an understanding in the physical world that 1 + 1 = 2 is and remains an excellent platform to form and build accurate spiritual understandings as well.

In a few posts above I called you a philosopher/theologian. You know what? I don't think that we can apply strict logic to these things without having them break to a thousand pieces.
For example you said something to the effect that the immaterial can bring about the material (so that the things that are were made out of the things that be not). I would not argue it until I state something.

Simple logical sequences:
Aristotelian Deductive: All men have P, John is a man, therefore, John has P.
Hypothetical: If G then S, G therefore S.
Equality: A = H = L, therefore A = L
Relation: When the head of a dog, therefore the presence of a dog.
**My examples might not be perfect in all cases.

These 4 logical types can hardly be applied to the spiritual (or immaterial above) without a huge burden arising from application because they involve strict universal application. Only the corrupt type called Inductive Reasoning can be used in such matters, and the very nature of it permits endless wrangling.

Now to the point: I don't think you would accept all the logical implications of stating that the material was formed from the immaterial. But there are also serious problems when we discountenance the spiritual in science, for even Charles Darwin in his "Origin of Species" said at the end " I do not believe that all these could have happened uncaused, I think there is a hand". . .bla bla bla.
Now my point is, Do you want us to discuss this as pure science or as philosophy/theology (in natura naturata). These two cannot agree at all.
Make your point sir. But I like this your username: Deep Sight

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Deep Sight:

1. Anything that begins to exist must have a trigger - a cause.

2. The universe began to exist.

3. The universe had a cause.

If the cause brought matter into existence, then logically it could not itself be matter: hence it is rational to posit that the cause is immaterial.

You are a philosopher/theologian more than a scientist. I think you should steer this discussion out of the province of pure science by making a "poster read first" page stating how this subject must be discussed.

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debosky:

You are right that guilty people can escape on technicalities, but that does not mean we should accept every rumour or accusation as fact. Forming an opinion is free, facts are sacred. I will still choose to err on the side of caution and give people benefit of the doubt before passing judgement.

He'd rather have Akingbola pronounced guilty until proven innocent, but wouldn't accept that when he raped his younger sis.

debosky:


If the principle is what is important, then RCCG shouldn't keep a single KOBO of the looted offering, if it exists. The only way to determine this would be through investigation. This should not be restricted to only 'major items' but ALL of it.

Akingbola already owned and managed this bank for over 10 years before he went public and afforded this your friend an opportunity to invest his meager crumb. Now he wants to stand on that crumb and pontificate on where Akingbola got the monies that he donated to church, if he really donated all that is claimed anyway.

debosky:


Many calls have been made for people to desist from fraud - that people are not mentioned personally does not mean it is condoned.

That Pst. Adeboye did not see it means that Akingbola did not steal. Simple!
It doesn't matter who wants to hang himself over peanut investment.

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tayo_ast:

u jail a man for wanting 2 take his own life

That sounds stupid, doesn't it baby? The law is an a$$

Aloy_Emeka:

Yes because you do not own your life. Taking something you don't own is stealing and thieves go to jail.

And what has the government been doing with all the miserable lives they own all over town? Is it not better to allow these ones commit whatever?
The mumu government was only interested in the second charge that might end in fine (viz: trespass).

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