BuBuB:



Thank you. I'm better now, at least she's not so mad at me anymore.

Disrespect, insincerity, lies...a whole lot of things trigger the anger, hitting her was not justified, though she got quite abusive. I should have known she was just being a woman. I know better now and would never do that to any woman again, I mean any woman, ever again.

That she's not mad at you anymore is not the issue.
The issue is you need to realise the severity of your anger and lack of restraint. You need to realise you could end up "mistakingly" giving her the death blow. You need to realise you will transfer it to your kids if you don't deal with it.
You need to realise you need a major attitude surgery.
The reason you're not employed may not be disconnected from your attitude.

I don't mean to sound mean or critical, just need you to realise it goes beyond how she feels now that you've had "make-up sex."
You need to go back to your remorseful self that typed and opened this thread for help and intentionally seek help.

PS: Don't assume you can deal with the anger by yourself, what if you can't and it gets worse later?
Get help.

toffyz:
O boy, 2 wives and 4 children...@ 28.

Three GBOSA for you Marley

Apparently he meant baby mamas. I doubt UK marriage system allows polygamy.

That's by the way.
I wish him and his lawyers came up with more creative lies though.

But in his defense, he is a victim of this generation. We live in a generation that has lost a sense of right and wrong. Our predecessors failed us.

We have to take our own lives into our hands and stop depending on government and people. We have to place our destiny into the hands of the only One who can both save us and our seeds to come.

This is where our conscience comes to play, we must be ready to make things right for the next generation even if it means sacrificing our own comfort and pleasures.

Nigeria can and will be great again.
Who is Nigeria?
You and Me.

Whenever we point fingers and accuse politicians and others, we should check that we're not equally as guilty.

Our generation of youths will do worse than these politicians if given the chance.

What's more worrisome is that Nigeria has the most churches and mosques, yet we're the most corrupt.
There's a dissonance
Something is terribly wrong.
We need to pray that God sends His own labourers to the harvest cos the Nigerian harvest is too full but a lot of the labourers aren't God's.

We need to pray hard and intensify our evangelism. Souls are perishing and not aware that they are their own problem.

We say Nigeria is corrupt. Who is Nigeria? You and I. When we individually stop being corrupt, Nigeria will stop being corrupt.

I was shocked when Nigerians, especially youths were defending Evans the Kidnapper/Abductor.
I couldn't believe my ears, the excuses people raised in his defense. I couldn't believe my eyes, the people I saw justifying his heinous crimes. I found myself, confounded.

I read the press interview of one of his victims, Donatus Duru, and I empathised with his ordeal and helplessness. It was a traumatizing experience neither he nor his family nor business would easily recover from, if they ever do.

Naira Marley, the musician/yahoo fraudstar and Blessing Okoro, the blogger/property fraudstar recently made the news for being apprehended for fraud. I was not even shocked that the youths would once again swing in their defense. It has become a norm.

It dawned on me that we're naturally self-defensive. Hence when we see ourselves in others, we defend them.
What then?
Those who defend crime are themselves criminals, or simply waiting for the opportunity.

Don't argue, just check yourself.

It's Not Enough To Know Christ. Does He Know You?
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Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Matthew 7:21-23

Who does Christ know?
-One who does the will of the Father in heaven.
-One who does not practise lawlessness.

Knowing and Doing God's Will is imperative as well as being Obedient to God's commands/laws.
How can we know God's Will?
Through Discipleship under Christ.

-Studying His Word and Yielding to the Holy Spirit.
-Renewing of our Minds by the Word and Transforming from our Old nature into Christ's Nature- Bearing the Fruit of the Spirit.
-Not forsaking the gathering of Saints. Learning under the Ministry Gifts. Recognising and functioning in our place in the Body of Christ. Becoming responsible in our spiritual family for the establishment of God's Kingdom and Righteousness.

Christianity (Following Christ) is not touch-and-go, it's not hit-and-run. It's not one-night-stand. It's not a charm you use when you're in trouble.
It is Commitment and Consistency.

But Jesus said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.” Luke 9:62

Christ's knows the intents of our hearts. He know those that want him for the food, for the healing, for the attention, for the power, etc.
And He knows his Disciples.

John 2:23-25
Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover, during the feast, many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did.
But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man.

Be a Disciple of Christ.
Grace and Understanding to us all.

paxonel:
in that case, you are mixing up things and there is no way you can arive at the truth by mixing up things .

See,

James 2:20 confirms that abraham was justified by works not just faith.

Romans 3:28 concludes that we are justified by faith and not by works

Looking at the two scriptures they seems contradictory isnt it?
The question about this scriptures is what i asked you.
What are we saved from? And you said it is both.

What justifies abraham(man) in james 2:20?
Ofcourse it is works.
What justifies man in Romans 3:28, ofcourse it is faith in christ.

Therefore it can never be both as you have said because faith in christ and works are two different things, faith justifies man into eternal life(salvation from death. Death is what we are saved from) while works do not justifies man into eternal but justifies him on this earth.

Think about it.

God has always presented His Word/Scriptures before us, how we choose to interprete them is ours. Life and death are always before man.
When we contradict each other, one of us has chosen life, the other has chosen death.
May God give us discernment.

jesusjnr:
God's grace is not sufficient for the wicked and the sinner that continues in sin and refuses to repent from it.

That's why hell is brimming with souls because despite that God so the world that He gave His only begotten Son to save the world - God's Grace - that whosoever believe in Him - man's repentance/obedience - shall not perish but have everlasting life.

But whosever does believe in Him - man's unrepentance/disobedience - despite that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to save the world - God's grace - shall be condemned.

And hence there are so many people including Christians in hell and many yet trouping in there, because God's grace is not sufficient for the wicked/sinners/disobedient but for the righteous and sinners who truly repent.

"My sheep hear my voice."
He that will be saved will hear the truth and repent, and not seek enticing words that soothe the ears.

jesusjnr:
The proof of light is in the shining and illumination of a place.

There's no such thing as an imaginary light, for that's what today's church really is, hence it inability to serve the purpose of light in a dark world and give her light.

So darkness abounds because the church which ought to be the light of the world, has now become part of the darkness of the world.

Who is the church?
-You and I individually, as well as the assembly of faithfuls. We all have work to do.
God help us and give us Grace.

The revelation I received concerning the state of the church is in the prayer of the harvest that our Lord committed us to pray. That the Lord of the harvest may send his labourers unto the harvest.
Unfortunately, we have many labourers but very few are the Lord's.

So many were driven into ministry because they failed in business and saw church as a business. Some just wanted Power.
Only very few labourers are truly enburdened like Christ for the souls of the harvest.

I thank God for the revival of our time. I believe our generation will right a lot of wrongs and shut the gates of hades.
The Spirit and Zeal of Our Lord will perform this.
So help us God.

jesusjnr:
Speaking from experience, being once a seriously depressed person at some point, depression is basically a result of lack of knowledge.

For every other thing that leads to depression, such as a misplacement of priorities, placing focus on and overrating the wrong things, and pride, all are as a result of a lack of knowledge.

For all these things wrapped into one was what made me so depressed that even the simplest of things like getting out of my bed became a mountainous task for me to do.

And my head was usually in the depressed position... but just a few Words from God while I was in the bathroom taking my bath, and it was finished.

For just the knowledge that came from those Words crushed my depression and made it immediately cease to exist.

And the amazing thing is that all those problems and difficulties that made me depressed were still there, but they no longer had power to make me depressed because I now had the knowledge that made me to see them in the light of their true worth.

So it was lack of knowledge that caused my depression not anything else for once I received that knowledge that was it, the end of my depression.

And I have been a living witness of that not just from my own experience, but I have seen it work wonders in the lives of people i know, for when I see them depressed and I just use what worked for me to treat their depression which is the knowledge of the Truth, and the knowledge of the Truth would set them free from their depression.

Once i was amazed when someone whose depression I treated with what worked for, treated another person's depression with what worked for him, and the person was testifying that it was exactly what I used on him that he used on someone else.

Maybe this is the reason God said my people perish for lack of knowledge, for it is the lack of knowledge in God's perspective(not that of the world for emphasis) that causes depression in people and makes them to want to end their lives.

So it's the lack of that knowledge basically that is the root of all depression, which leads people to commit suicide.

Well said.
Every problem of man is as a result of lack of knowledge. Some times knowledge transcends access of information but also a right understanding of that information.

Truly, as you rightly said in your case, God spoke a word to you (perhaps from the word bank in your heart), a word you already knew, but your new understanding of it created an ember of hope and light that obliterated your depressive thoughts.

The gospel of Christ, the Truth is hardly alien to any one in our country, but they have simply not received the right understanding of it because their heart is not right with God. God is always reaching out to every heart but until man starts to reach out for God's heart, in humility, he will most likely not see God even right in front of him.

May God give us His Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding.

paxonel:
Saved from what?

Is it saved from the consequences of the sin we commit or saved from going to hell for not believing in christ?

Lets come from there

Both especially hell.

About Sin And Grace

Hebrews 10:26-39
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; for you had compassion on me in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.

Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:

“For yet a little while,
And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
Now the just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”

But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

Matthew 16:22-23
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Fearful. Christ didn't see him as Peter in that moment, He discerned and rebuked him as Satan. The same Peter who had just discerned Him as the Christ and whom he blessed as the Rock upon whom the Church would be built.

Be Sensitive.

I've come to realise that we are individually multifaceted.
We are simply vessels.
Same person can be an agent of light and at the same time an agent of darkness.
When God needs to speak, he uses man. When the devil also needs to speak, he also uses man.
I could give you a godly advice. I could also in the next hour give you a selfish ungodly advice.
I could be a respecter of God in the church and also be an ambassador of the devil at the club or even at home. The same person who is awe-inspiring when she steps on the pulpit to minister is sexually sinister after service. Even the pastor who preaches and heaven comes down is suddenly a beast when it comes to matters of finance.

What then?
There are many wolves in sheep clothing and many sheep in wolves clothing.
Unfortunately, even several false prophets would have repented if only they knew they were false prophets.
It shouldn't shock you that you're a prophet too (at least potentially).

It is a fearful thing not to fear God.
Only He sees the heart/motive/intention/thoughts of man, and He deals with us according to the state of our hearts.

In summary, we all need to be sensitive to know who is using our vessel at every moment- God or the devil?

We also need discernment when we listen to people to know who is speaking through them- God or the devil?

Grace to be the Light always, I pray for us all in this world of extensive and encroaching darkness.
Just a photon of light does wonders but it needs to grow and shine to obliterate darkness, no matter its thickness.
Be The Light, always.

OkCornel:


Well said bro...


To be more specific, THE MIND IS A BATTLEFIELD.


The mind is also like a fertile soil. If one does not make conscious effort to weed out negative thoughts... You'll have a mental garden full of weed and thorns...

Not just a battlefield but THE BATTLEFIELD.
You said it all.

Tosinex:
What causes suicide = depression.
What causes depression = mostly emotional trauma.
Some people committed suicide because they are traumatized in their relationship. Their love, I meant the entire love of their entire life, which they place in an imperfect man/woman made of dead flesh betrayed or jilted them.
Some people committed suicide because they thought there's no way they can come out of their troubles. They thought the whole world is placed on their shoulder. They've tried every means but non is working, they thought it's the end of the world and the only way to get out of it is to kill themselves so they committed suicide.
Some committed suicide just to punish others, like their family or parents. they felt unloved or treated badly and they thought the only way they can get back at them is to commit suicide, that's foolishness.

If you look at the three examples I gave up there of people that committed suicide, you will realize that it all bores down to emotional trauma, most of these people are not disabled in any way or any form, they are only traumatized, at that point they felt so weak that they forgot that they are one of the strongest creature in the universe, understand that strength is not by physical muscle, they felt so inferior that they forgot that they are the most loved creature in the whole of creation!

Yes! The truth is everyone of us including me have been at that level, but what made me alive today is the fact that I realize something, and what is it? I discovered that This World Is A Battle Field, and you don't get to kill yourself, and try not to get killed by something else You Have To Be STRONG

But when we realize our weaknesses and see that it is taking a toll on us then we ran to someone who is stronger than us or even stronger than all, whom can help us in the face of the battle.

Many attimes God encourages us but we don't get to see it, because we felt we are alone, no we are not. I've seen angels encouraging me when I'm faced with battles, Jesus was encouraged by an angel in that garden that night when it feels like everyone has deserted him. In such manner God encourages us all have you lost that sweet relationship? Are you mostly hated by the ones that ought to love you most? Or is the whole world against you and decides to sit on your shoulder?

Remember its a battle and you have to fight! I won't be there with you, nobody might even be there with you, but you can always win, if you want to, yes you can and you will always win, believe me, just be strong!!! The battle may tarry but stay strong! Believe it's just a phase in your life that will pass and all things will get better

Stay strong for your kids born or unborn, stay strong for your family, stay strong for your friends, stay strong for your Heavenly Father, stay strong for us all!!
We love you!

Well said. Thanks for sharing.
To anyone going through emotional trauma, this is for you.

If you can only weather the storm, the sunshine after is just so beautiful and certainly worth living for.
It's always darkest just before the Dawn Of A New Day!

Your New Day is about to Dawn.
And when it dawns, you will be shocked you ever considered suicide. True story.

jidenna21:
Psychotherapy is also known as talk therapy or psychological therapy. Different types of psychotherapy can be effective for depression, such as cognitive behavioral therapy or interpersonal therapy. Your mental health professional may also recommend other types of therapies.

Don't even waste your time seeing a pastor for that unproductive prayer unless you got some coins to flush. You may end up killing yourself.

Have you wondered how come celebrities commit suicide after battling depression for years?
Ever wondered how many therapists, shrinks, prescriptions, etc they had?

I am not disputing the importance of medical treatment. I am simply saying it goes beyond it.

Life is a battle for the Human Soul.

Suicide is a product of depression. Depression is a product of sorrow and a loss of hope.

When we place our hopes on things that are material and temporal, we set ourselves up for disappointment.
But when you place your Hope in Christ and let Him through His Word and Holy Spirit teach and lead you through life, that is Eternal Life.

Psychologists, Therapists, Doctors are all still gifts from God due to our inadequacy of faith. They profer temporary solution to the capacity in which God gives them. Hence why true Doctors say all they can do is care for the sick, healing comes from God.

Do you believe God heals?
When doctors have tried all they can and given up on the extremely sick or cancerous or barren or anaemic, etc often times God steps in.
Unbelieving Doctors have given their lives to Christ in such scenarios.

Why this epistle?
Because I know how our generation has become so grown in Knowledge, we have thought in our hearts that we have outgrown the bible.
It was all prophesied.
I was one of such Apostates who ended up becoming an Atheist.

God has never stopped being God. We're the ones who keep growing farther from Him as pride sets into our hearts.

I found Christ when I was humbled. Then I made my way back to Him.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

All the glory we have given to Science, to Man, to Self- All belongs to God.

Agrogbeide:
that's the spirit bro. I guess you were stunned by that John 10:28.....Lol
It is because of the lifestyles of some Christians that made many came up with the notion that a Christian can lose his salvation, and this is not true. In as much the intercession of Christ never ceases in heaven, so also our intercession as Christians should never cease for carnal Christians and for the world so that all may be united with Christ.
ONCE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED.
THANKS.
GOD BLESS.

My submission is that we should both be open to let the Holy Spirit give us His understanding instead of further dragging it.
My intention is not to be prove I'm right but to seek the Truth.

Agrogbeide:
I will not explain it as lose of salvation, even if it is lose of salvation we have a sure guarantee which is "WE ARE CLEANSED AND PRUNED ALREADY." Since we are cleansed and pruned already we ought not to be passive but collaborate with the Holy Spirit so that we can bear good fruits.
You don't give more emphasis on one bible verse, chapter or as the case maybe in expense of others. OK pressplay411 how will you explain John 10:28?
AMP:And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.
Those branches that do not bear good fruits will either experience one or all of the following;
1. Judge and disciplined by the Holy Spirit so that they will not be condemn along with the world,
2. Deliver unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that their spirit may be saved on the last day
3. Rejected, burn and draw nigh to a curse(will not be a partaker of the millennium). In this case they will lose their reward but will remained saved.
So Mr pressplay411 instead of looking for who will lose salvation or not let's follow the words of Christ in 2 Timothy 4:2
KJV:Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
Thanks.
God bless.

We're all learning. That's what makes us Disciples of Christ.
May the Holy Spirit give us all His Understanding.
I pray we are all saved in Jesus name.
Amen.

Agrogbeide:
God bless you bro.
You skipped verse three of that same John chapter 15.
AMP:You are cleansed and pruned already, because of the word which I have given you [the teachings I have discussed with you]............take note of the phrase "CLEANSED AND PRUNED ALREADY".
Mr pressplay411there is a difference between our SALVATION AND REWARD. Let me throw some lights here in few details.
Salvation is a free gift as a result of God's Grace through Christ Jesus which is activated by our faith. It is a promise that was declared in the garden of Eden after the fall of man and manifested at Golgotha and as a result man eventually connected back to God, although this promise was already effective even before the foundation of the world.
The seal of salvation is the Holy Spirit and this is our guarantee of eternal life with the Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit needs to leave you before you lose your salvation. But have you asked yourself the reason why Christ continue to intercedes for His body? Moreover, the Holy Spirit is not like demons or evil spirits that will leave a body looking for another to dominate. When the Holy Spirit comes He stays permanently and nothing will ever makes Him go away because he that is joined to the Lord is of one Spirit. However we must be careful not to grieve the Holy Spirit or else we will face His disciplinary committee squarely.
Reward is what you will gain for living a faithful live in your journey on earth and also as a result of working out your salvation in fear and trembling. Not all Christians will have a reward on the last day but all will have eternal life. This reward is also concerned with the millennium reign. If you examine the revelation of Christ Jesus to the 7 churches in Asia in Revelation chapter 2 and 3 you will discover how He address their sin issues and never threatened anyone with LOSE OF THEIR SALVATION.
1 CORINTHIANS 3:11-15
AMP:For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is [already] laid, which is Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
AMP:But if anyone builds upon the Foundation, whether it be with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
AMP:The work of each [one] will become [plainly, openly] known (shown for what it is); for the day [of Christ] will disclose and declare it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test and critically appraise the character and worth of the work each person has done.
AMP:If the work which any person has built on this Foundation [any product of his efforts whatever] survives [this test], he will get his reward.
AMP:But if any person’s work is burned up [under the test], he will suffer the loss [of it all, losing his reward], though he himself will be saved, but only as [one who has passed] through fire.
Take note of the words Work, Reward, Burned and Saved.
Take time, pray effectively and study rightly, the truth you seek you shall find.
ONCE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED.
Thanks.
God bless.

Thanks again.
However, you simply did not explain the bolded.
Verse 3 says we are cleansed from our sins, good. But the bolded, verse 6 says if we do not bear fruit, we are cut off, uprooted from the vine(tree) and burned . I would explain that as Christ rejecting such. I would explain that as losing Salvation.
How do you explain it?

Agrogbeide:
True Talk. And that's why the Church is looking forward to the Salvation of the whole world by faith because this is the will of God.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
KJV:And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come........PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE WORD "DELIVERED".
1 Thessalonians 5:9
KJV:For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,........PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE PHRASE "NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH".

Why are you always so concerned about Christians losing their salvation?
The race of salvation is NOT TO THE SHEEP BUT TO THE SHEPHERD WHO WILL ALWAYS GUARD HIS SHEEP ON THE RIGHT TRACK. If the prodigal son refuse to come home, the shepherd will kit up and look for his lost sheep. If one coin lose, the woman will sweep the whole house in order to find and get the coin back. Can the sheep or coin refuse their owner when they come Mr pressplay411?
Romans 8:30
KJV:Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.........CAN THE FREEWILL OF MAN ALTER THIS CONCLUDED AGENDA OF GOD Mr pressplay411?

I once was in your shoes bro. It's not easy trying to defend a wrong doctrine with a sincere heart. You will soon see the Light the more you pray and study by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off..... Gloria Steinem.

Same difficulty encountered in Apostle Paul's teaching was also documented by the Holy Spirit through the hands of Apostle Peter.
2 Peter 3:15-16
KJV:And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16
KJV:As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
All Apostle Paul's Teachings are based on the revelation he received from the Lord Jesus Christ on his way to Damascus. Nothing more, Nothing less and Nothing else!!!
This is a clear indication that you are not rightly dividing the word of truth like a true workman. What is "remain a gentile or Jew by faith?"
1 Corinthians 7:17-21
KJV:But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18
KJV:Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19
KJV:Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
20
KJV:Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21
KJV:Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
22
KJV:For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
Galatians 3:26-29
KJV:For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27
KJV:For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28
KJV:There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29
KJV:And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Never you say gentiles should become Jews by Faith because it an erroneous message.

Any Christian that lives as an unbeliever will be judged and disciplined by the Holy Spirit so that he won't be condemned along with the world, if he persists in that sin he will be delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit may be saved on the last day.
If he dies in sin, he will be rejected, draw nigh to a curse whose end is to be burned and this is the MILLENIAL PUNISHMENT FOR THAT CHRISTIAN BECAUSE HE WON'T BE AMONG THE BRIDE OF CHRIST IN THE 1000 REIGN OF CHRIST ON EARTH BUT IN OUTER DARKNESS WHERE HE WILL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING HIS TEETH FOR 1000 YEARS.............(THE PARABLE OF THE WISE AND FOOLISH VIRGINS). AFTER THE MILLENNIUM THE CHRISTIAN WILL DEFINITELY BE ACCEPTED BY CHRIST JESUS AGAIN WHERE THEY WILL ALL BE TOGETHER IN THE NEW JERUSALEM.
You will still find this as a problem, but try and study The Bible along with all the dispensation in it. You can see from the above that a CHRISTIAN CANNOT LOSE HIS SALVATION BUT WILL NOT ALSO GO UNPUNISHED IF HE LIVED A SHAMEFUL LIFE ON EARTH.
A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE.
ONCE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED.
THANKS.
GOD BLESS.

Amen.
Thanks for your patience and painstaking.
I pray God helps us all.
I'd like you to explain this scriptures to me.

John 15:1-2
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

John 15:5-8
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

solite3:
what do you think salvation mean? God's love is translated to salvation in that he provided the free gift of eternal life to all but only by faith will any receive it.
Yes one can lose his salvation if he does not depend on christ but no he cannot if he depend on christ because God keeps him.
It is God's love that saves and keeps the believer.
A believer can live temporary in rebellion against God but he will eventually come back home to God because God's love draws him home. The prodigal son returned home to his father because he remembered the love of his father.

in this case you do not know what salvation mean.
Salvation does not mean making it to heaven. no where in the bible does salvation just mean making it to heaven as has been popularized today.



If anyone decides to opt out, it mean he was not even saved to start with. There is nothing like i wanted to be saved but later i changed my mind.

Believing is not the problem but what you believed.





thanks for taking your time to reply

Apostle Paul's epistles require Grace to interprete and understand them, lest you conclude that only he contradicts Christ and the other Apostles. He and Barnabbas were sent to Gentiles, while Christ and others were sent to Jews. pauls gospel is very clear only dishonest people twist it to their own damnation.
There is no dichotomy between paul and christ. Christ preached to unregenerated jews using the law of moses to convict and convince them of the of the gospel of grace.
Paul lead by the Spirit preached the gospel to the unregenerated gentiles . There are mysteries christ never revealed because the Spirit had not come. Even the things christ spoke his disciples struggled to understand it.

The gospel is the same whether Christ or Paul or Peter.
The gospel is simple God has given us life and this life is in his Son Jesus Christ.



being a Jew or Gentile does not matter in Christ.
God want us to know the truth and be set free. Shallom

Thanks for sharing.
I believe we share some understanding.
But I simply want to reply your last paragraph that being a Jew or Gentile doesn't matter in Christ.

Christ himself made it clear that it matters. Ever wondered why his ministry was within Jewish territories?

Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

That's his response to a Gentle that besought him tearfully for healing of her dying daughter. He resisted her and wouldn't heal her saying it's not meet (proper) to give her the children's bread (Jew's benefits) until he saw that her faith was so great. Gentiles were not part of his purpose.

Where Apostle Paul preached no Jew or Greek, he was addressing discrimination. Salvation truly is of the Jews. Christ emphasized this.

John 4:22
You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

I truly agree that all scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit, but I believe we should know that when Christ speaks, He is God, the Son. His word is the Truth in its purest form.

solite3:
Salvation is the work of God from beginning to end.
Jesus died taking away our sins, his blood was the price for our redemption.

When a man believes in christ, He does so because he is sinner who cannot save himself. He knew he will perish if God does not save him.
His part is to trust God but God's part is to save him.
At the moment he belives on Jesus Christ,
1. His sins are forgiven ( forgiven because of christ shed blood)
2. He is justified (declared righteous on account of what Christ has done)
3.He is regenerated (Reborn spiritually)
4. Because he is regenerated he is already sanctified.(made holy)
5.by virtue of his regenerated state as a new creature he is righteous (partaking in God's righteous nature)
6. He is sanctified continuously through the word of God to reflect the nature of the inner man outward.
7. He is preserved by God. ( this is to prevent him from falling away from Christ)

On the beliver part
He trust on the finished work of christ and accept the gift of righteousness by Jesus christ.
Also the bible admonish believers to continue to work out their salvation.

This is done by reflecting outwardly the santification work of God in him.
More like as God build him up innerly, he reflect it outwardly.
This will be an evidence that he is truly saved.

Note working out your salvation is not same as working for your salvation.
In the former one is working the evidence of his salvation out because he is saved but in the latter one is strughling to attain salvation.

We tend to mistake God's love for salvation.
His love is endless. We can never lose that. He so loves the whole world, even unbelievers too.
But salvation can be lost.

God is a just God. He gave us Free Will.
Suffer me this, would he force everyone who believes in Christ to heaven? What if anyone decides to opt out?
Are you saying once I believe I can't personally choose not to make heaven again?

I intentionally didn't bother commenting on this post because I've exhausted what needs to be said both in the original post and my replies to comments.

Apostle Paul's epistles require Grace to interprete and understand them, lest you conclude that only he contradicts Christ and the other Apostles. He and Barnabbas were sent to Gentiles, while Christ and others were sent to Jews.

It's up to you to decide if you remain a Gentile or you become a Jew by Faith.
There's so much to say but more than enough has been said to deliver us from what we want to hear, so that we may hear what God wants us to hear.

God bless you and us all.

tactius:
It's fiction.....FICTION

And yes, I am a born again Christian...but yes, I know FICTION from fact.

Again, its, FICTION

Modified :I am referring to the television show of course

You are either a very mature believer or not born again.
What do you understand about the parable of the Seed Sower?

Every idea/thought/concept is a seed and your heart is the soil.
What you constantly feed your soil is what you grow into and become.
The entertainment industry (secular world) projects and sells lust of money and sex to the world, hence the world is desperately craving money and sex.
You wonder why you start having uncontrollable erotic thoughts after watching certain music videos or listening to some songs over and over.

I have not watched the series Lucifer but Hollywood for some time now has been subliminally insinuating very dangerous poisons into the hearts of the untaught.
They repackaged vampires, witchcraft, LGBT etc and have made their avid audience become devil apologists.

This is the truth but only those who will hear will hear, and I pray those who do hear become more sensitive to guard their hearts.

akaahs:
I remember the day I clock 30 two years ago. I didnt go out that day, just angry with myself about my journey in life so far, no any reasonable job, no investment to show for it, no kids or wife to lean on, in fact no any tangible achievement. Just a life of misery and the thought of when ll I help myself and others around me but then life has a way of rewarding people who persevere to the end.
Thank God I'm moving gradually.

There's something about the big 3.0 that puts a person on their toes. The Fear of 30 can really be such a burden to bear. What a generation we have found ourselves. A generation where teenagers are making 8 figures in earnings and are transforming the world.
A generation where even a 25 year old career person feels like an underachiever simply because of the Neymars and Wizkids that are his contemporaries.

When I turned 30, I sank into an avalanche of depression. I felt so lost, so underachieved, so disconnected from my dreams and ambitions, so off the radar among my peers. But I was already beyond suicidal. I had decided if not for anyone, at least for my mom, I would stay alive. I couldn't bear the hurt I would hurt her with such news. No, I did not stay alive because of fear of heaven or hell, I didn't believe in that again, I simply stayed alive, thanks to the woman that really is worth all the Mother's Days in the world.

But in the midst of all these misery of turning 30 underachieved, I was humbled. I was tamed. I evaluated my life, and was honest that I had failed on my own.
Some how, in the middle of it, Grace found me and I turned to God for Salvation.
The rest as they say is history. Today, this Psalm is so real to me, because in numbering my days, I found Wisdom when I turned to God.

Psalm 90:12-14
So teach us to number our days,
That we may gain a heart of wisdom.
Return, O Lord!
How long?
And have compassion on Your servants.
Oh, satisfy us early with Your mercy,
That we may rejoice and be glad all our days!

SpecialAdviser:


Really? And you claim the area is not okay. Can you justify your claim?
In which capacity?

I travelled with my Igbo colleagues. Honestly I didn't want to comment on the states until they themselves were raining curses on their governors and backward-thinking politicians. Only a few states seem to be getting it right.

The only reason I engaged you was to correct the error in your assertion that Igbo's were getting it right while other tribes weren't. Statistics show the reverse is the case- politically and economically.
Igbo's as individuals are business savvy and progressive thinking. But as a people, it's odd that the reverse is the case. Simply because you do not, as you put it, "worship men." Which has not helped you to be united in one voice. You do not have a Tinubu or a Buhari, who you listen to.
It comes from a place of not wanting to submit to other men.
I hope you see some reason in what I have said.
It is not intended to be a tribal slur but an observation that needs to be changed for things to positively change.

When/If you do get to know me, you will realise I try not to make assumptions, I validate before I share my opinions, so that it comes from an informed position. Otherwise, I'd rather just listen and learn from those who are informed.

Pride has become so rife in the church. How did we get here?
The Body of Christ is supposed to teach the world Humility among the Characters of Christ and Fruit of the Spirit, how have we become so proud?

First, who is the church?
Church refers to us individually (you as a person) and as a gathering of saints (denominations).

We have become proud both individually and as denominations.

Proud over our denomination, while looking down on other denominations. We forget that God does not see any denomination, he simply sees us all as people of Faith, as the Body of Christ. We are all working together for one purpose, to save soulls by manifesting Christ to the World and to establish God's Kingdom on Earth. Every denomination is a part that makes the Whole. One is the nose, one is the eye, one is the ear, one is the hand, one is the brain, etc and Christ is our Head.

Proud in our speech. The way some believers address people and situations both within and outside the chutch is cringe-worthy.

Proud over our achievements, forgetting it is simply undeserved Grace and Mercy of God.

Proud over our knowledge. Puffed up with knowledge. Ever studying but not coming to true knowledge.

Proud over our Pastors. Most even exalt their pastor's teachings and doctrines over the Word of God.

Proud to even associate with the poor. (Classism)

Proud in our Sense of Entitlement. If you don't call some believers by titles or give them special recognition and treatmemt, you have "offended the gods."
Just to mention a few.

It is one thing to have a grateful heart, it is another to have a haughty heart. Beware not to cross the thin line.

I implore us to be like Christ. To be like the Apostles, who had first-hand Walk with Christ and Intimate Relationship with Holy Spirit, yet they were not bragging about it, they were grateful and took it as a Call of Duty to continue the Work of Reconciliation of the World to God, through Christ and not about their selfish desires.
They simply made the gospel about Christ and not themselves.

Pride is very subtle. The proud hardly ever know they're proud. Some times it creeps into a humble heart and makes such forget their humble beginnings.
If people around you say you're proud, chances are you're exhibiting some measure of pride. Please check yourself and pray for unveiling. We all have our blindspots and until it is revealed, we would walk in ignorance of it.

Please walk in the consciousness of Humility and Servitude.
Christ taught us his disciples a vital lesson in John 13, He washed the feet of his disciples. Peter saw it as such a great dishonour for His Master to undertake such a menial servant's task as washing his own feet when by human standard, the reverse should have been the case.
Christ answered him, that if he did not allow him wash his feet, he would have no part in Him.
He told them they would understand what he was doing after they he had done it. Let's hearing from the Master's lips;

John 13:12-17
So when He had washed their feet, taken His garments, and sat down again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you?
You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am.
If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet.
For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.
Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.
If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them.

The creature we today call Satan used to be the Morning Star, the Glorious Cherub, He was Perfect! Until iniquity was found in him. Pride crept into his heart, and he was reduced to an ordinary dust-licking serpent. He became the accuser of the brethren.
Isaiah 14:12-17

King Saul was anointed by God when he was humble (little in his own eyes) until pride caused him to raise himself above the prophecy and instruction of God and led him to disobedience and hardened heart.

Apostle Paul had every reason to boast due to the Grace on him but he said if he would boast of anything, he would boast of his infirmities (weaknesses) so that Grace may abound.

I leave us with these humbling words to meditate from the lips of King Solomon in Proverbs 3:34. Apostles Peter (1 Peter 5:5) and James (James 4:6) also reiterated it as a confirmation;

"God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble."

Peace, Grace and Mercy to us all.

ojhandsome:



firstly no one has his or her own interpretation of the bible always allow the bible to explain itself ,,,to understand or correctly interpret the bible u must read the pretext n post text i will advice u start from the beginning of Hebrews... the book of Hebrews was written to the Jews as the name implies not to say we cant apply it today to us as Christians... so if you are reading Hebrews try to put yourself in the shoes of a jew because you and i are gentiles with this understanding the above verses u quoted was referring to the Israelite ie their fore fathers in the time of Moses how after experiencing the power of GOD they still refuse to believe start.... reading from chapter 3 down to chapter 6,,,,when u get to chapter 6 read dwn to verse 9Heb 6:9 do not allow chapters n verses confuse u the bible did not originally come wt chapters n verses it was added along the line to make reading easier

verse 9 says But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
KJV
after the writer has spoken about the isrealites in the wilderness he comes bk to u and i wich is what vs 9 is saying u are not like dem that saw the glory of GOD but hardened their hearts

salvation is a gift righteousness is a gift romans 5 17 u dont work for it once God gives u something he doesn't take it back romans 11;29

eph 1 13 says we are SEALED with the holy spirit

once you are born again you are kept by Jesus he is the one doing the work not

Jude1; 24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
KJV

see also
John 10:28-30

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.
KJV

hope the explanation is clear ..i call you blessed

I'm glad you have the understanding that there are two categories of people as far as God is concerned. Jews (Believers, chosen people) and Gentiles (Unbelievers).
I am also glad you realised the book of Hebrews is the only epistle Paul wrote to the Jews hence its name (Hebrews). All his other epistles were to Gentiles.

Paul and Barnabas were specially handpicked by the Holy Spirit as Apostles to the Gentiles.
Apostle Peter was so uncomfortable to minister to Gentiles. Even after his trance and encounter at Cornelius' household (Gentile family), the other disciples and Apostles challenged him for even sharing the gospel with Gentiles talkless of making them receive the same Holy Spirit as them, the Jews (God's chosen people).
The Apostles struggled with ministering to Gentiles because, they did not see Jesus do it. It was both repulsive to them and it was contrary to what Christ did.
Why did I bring this up?
We're to grow from Gentiles into Jews by Faith.
You can't be saved and still maintain a Gentile's (Unbeliever's) mentality and way of life.

Because Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour said He was not sent to Gentiles but only Jews. (Israelites)

Matthew 15:21-28
21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon.

22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”

27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.


What I have come to realise is that a lot of believers mistake God's Love for Salvation.
Nothing can separate us (the world, every human being) from God's Love, but Salvation is of the Jews.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten so, that who so ever believe in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16

SpecialAdviser:


Most of you a so daft in believing that south east is not progressive. What shortens you guys level of reasoning is just shocking. Have u visited Igboland before? Do you know anything about them? You brian is so myopic you don't know how others live. You value which integrity?

For years thieves have been ruling and stealing you dry and am sure you are part of people that demand they should be respected. I'm sure you may be working under one expatriate that is wiping your a.s.s but all you remember is Nnamdi Kanu.

I pity your generation.

I have been touring the East on official capacity since this year, I know what I'm saying.
However, sorry I offended you.

SpecialAdviser:


Mr man, what criteria did you use to determine progress?

I believe you and Kanu have that answer.
I value integrity in people. So if you're honest, you know that answer.

SpecialAdviser:
It always beat my imagination how most northerners without good shoes march out to worship the rich and the influential.

I am proud Igbos do no such thing. I strongly support that house of assembly in Igbo lands criminalize the art of kneeling to greet, lying on the ground to greet or undue hailing of anybody be you a religious or traditional figure. We respect people that do so in their tradition but this is not in line with our tradition. Even in countries that rule the world, this is not acceptable.

Don't worship anyone except God. Nobody should have an excessive power over you. Just honor the elder and your parents. But don't go extra mile. It is called mental freedom. Is called human liberty and helps to build your confidence. It is not by accident that we Igbos dominate business in Nigeria and expanding into other African countries. God created us complexly unique.

Actually, Igbo culture does not respect parents and elders but worships money and power. Hence anyone with money or power is worshipped no matter how young.
I however credit Igbo's for their Diligence.

What you call "worshipping of men" is actually what makes the West and North more progressive than the East. It is what makes others united and you, disunited.

mployer:


Let me explain to you again.
If you draft a 15year old untrained boy to the army and send him straight to fight bokoharam, he will likely die in the battle. When analysts come to view the war video, they will see his tactical errors in the battle field. His death will be attributed to those errors, but the real reason he died is because he is young and untrained.

Such is the case of Saul. Disobedience is visible reason he failed but the main reason he failed is because he wasn't trained and empowered in the field of obedience to God. He was an appointed king not a raised king. He wasn't capable of obeying God because he doesn't even know God personally nor understand Him. All these is because the true call of God was not on him. God didn't start his process, people of Israel did.

The Bible said that even though Jesus was a son, yet He learned obedience by the things he suffered(Hebrews 5:8 ). Obedience is learned through a process but Saul didn't go through it. He didn't suffer anything, so he didn't learn anything.

Jesus was on earth for 30 years just for a 3year ministry.

It took 15 years from when David was annointed to when he became a king. 15 years of constant battle!

Moses was in wilderness for 40 years before he returned to deliver Israel.

Saul came in through shortcut is bound to fail. I would have been surprised if he didn't.

King Saul was a Jew, he was raised to obey and keep the law. However truly he wasn't God's plan for Israel but the people's will. God never wanted them to have a king who will become like a god to them like the heathen do. God simply wanted to be their God, no distractions.
Saying God never anointed him is also incorrect.

So Samuel said, “When you were little in your own eyes, were you not head of the tribes of Israel? And did not the Lord anoint you king over Israel? 1 Samuel 15:17

God checks the state of the heart of a man before using him. And all God needs to see is Humility.
This is what Samuel meant by "little in your own eyes."
Humility is so crucial to God because it is what makes one Meek, Repentant, Obedient and Dependent on God.
The Great Apostle Paul used to be Saul.
His name was changed to Paul as a testimony of access to God's Grace.
Paul in Latin means "Humble or Small."
Truly, God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.

King Saul would have been forgiven had he humbled himself and truly repented. That's the difference between him and King David.
But Pride/Ego/Self makes one seek the praise of men instead of obedience to God. It makes one covet the blessing (in his case, the throne) over the Blesser.
The throne was also a training ground for him, as it was even for David.

I'm not here to argue scriptures or prove I know anything.
This post was created out of a necessity. The burden of watching a generation so detached from God's heart is too heavy to bear.
If God's intent for Grace is what we have made out of it, should Paul have bothered suffering all he suffered for the Faith? Should he not just live a vain and selfish life of immorality like Grace abusers do?
If God's intent for Grace is what we have made it, suffer me this, why are the most corrupt/sinful people in the world Christians? Because of our erroneous understanding and application of Grace.

Grace is not a downgrade for sinfulness but an enablement for upgrade to an upward call of Christ-likeness.

If you don't share this burden, you should question your understanding of God's Will and His Kingdom.