Akolawole:

## Beside JT, please tell me other academy boys that EVER rise to first team in Pre-JM era?

Brilliant.

JM had Stoch, Sahar and Sinclair.

Dayo,
I think he drew one of the games with Real

~Sauron~:


This is what makes me antsy. . . . . .He doesn't stay long enough in clubs to help them rebuild.
Jose is like a thief in the night. When people are working and labouring 30 days of the month, you don't see him loitering.
As soon as it's payday, he walks in effortlessly, strike and walk away with the goldmine.

I want to see Jose rebuild a squad of his own like Rijkaard, Wenger, Ancellotti, Hitzfeld and SAF have done year after year.
What makes Fergie great is not the achievement of the last 2 seasons or the TREBLE years. . . . .It is the battle after battle he has fought over the years and still competing at the topmost level that that makes him GREAT.

The reason why he could not stay at Chelsea long enough is because he was SACKED. Sacked for a loss and two draws.

debosky:

What is with you and this term? Is that what hot trash called you when you failed to perform?

JM is not a club builder? I disagree.

What he left behind at Porto still challenged for seasons afterwards, so he did enough for Porto to keep winning even after he left.

Chelski? He was taken out in his third season, just after the state of the art training complex/academy had been completed of course he could not have built at that point. I do think he was building, cos Alex, Essien, Ashley and Bridge were good enough to go for another 5 years, with more buys and maybe blooding youngsters on the way.

JM could very well be a club builder - but faced with demands of 'the CL or else' he will naturally focus on DELIVERING the bosses target more than grooming. Granted his negotiations/battles for his players' wages were out of hand.

You CANNOT compare JM to Fergie or even Wenger in terms of bringing new talents - their scouting networks are so advanced that it will take a long time for any coach to build similar capabilities.

Barca is an exception - they are so attractive to youth players that their production line keeps churning out stars regardless of the coach.

I totally agree.

~Sauron~:

He is good but not great. Rijkaard is better.
Frank Rijkaard kept faith with his youth players. . . . .Messi, Bojan, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta all graduated to the first team under Rijkaard.
Show me one decent player that graduated from the academy under Jose.
Besides, who can argue Barcelona were the best team in the world during Rijkaard's time at Barcelona. . . .
Sexy football + results(something Abramovic wanted and Jose failed to give).

Until he picks up a mid-table team like Man City and turn their fortunes around like Roy Keane took Sunderland from the bottom of the Championship to the Premiership. . . .He will not qualify as a "great" manager.

Of course, Fergie had his work cut out in 2006/7(Mourinho gunning for his 3rd title on a bounce and Fergie trying to stop the Roman dominance).
That season, Chelsea chased Man Utd from September till May. We were always 3 points ahead of em during that season.
Last season, Mourinho left after some disappointing results everyone gawked about.
This season, the rivals are dire bar Liverpool who are doing everything possible to stop Man Utd from clinching the 18th title.
If Fergie manages to achieve this feat, his prophesy of knocking the Scousers off their fucking perch woulda come true.

See it this way. . . . .Grant had no coaching badge when he became Chelsea manager and he was inches away from winning the Champions League and the Premiership. John Terry slipping  before taking his kick cannot be Avram's fault or is it??
Ma point is. . . . .Had Terry held his nerves and scored. . . . . .A badgeless coach woulda taken Chelsea to win the European cup.
It means the tools(Chelsea players) are TOP DRAW and whoever handles/manages Chelsea will succeed.

Lets use your logic,

Guardiola seems to be doing well with the same Barca squad that is even without Ronaldinho so Rijkaard is not a great coach.

Rijkaard failed to win anything in his last 2 years so . . . He's not a great coach.

At the moment, while JM is excelling at Italy, Rijkaard remains jobless. No offers, nothing. JM had a lot of offers before ending up at Inter.

JM's CV boasts of ALL the trophies that can be won as a club manager and this is with 2 different clubs.

Luck can't explain it.

It's funny that for JM, peeps have a lot of reasons why he won . . . and a whole lot more of why he would fail to win again.

I think his results in Italy would add tally to his status as a great manager.

Now on to Hiddink,

I think the decision makes financial sense. Hiddink may not have the time to mould the current squad into his preferred style of play but he has more club experience than LFS and I'm hoping that counts when he's appointed. Also like Sauron pointed out he can get players on loan.

He has transformed little teams like S.Korea, Russia into contenders, though in a longer period than he would have here so I believe he has the CV for the job.

It would be near impossible to get Clarke, Zola or any contracted manager at the moment. It will also cost much more. I think this decision is the best for now.

Ibime:

Scolari needs to STFU! This is the most laughable excuse ever. How can a manager's failure be down to just one transfer signing.

As he said "I needed Deco and Robinho to rejuvenate Chelseas old squad"

Is Deco not old himself?

The idiot did not even assess our squad before he came. Just left us with another old central midfielder that we don't need.

So Robinho is the only reason he failed? How can Robinho alone rejuvenate Chelsea? Is Robinho himself a consistent player that you build a team around and expect him to deliver 50 games a season? If Robinho was out of our price-range, does he not know at least another 5 players that could take his place or at least take 2 or 3 places from our old squad?

Did he not know Malouda was shite? Why keep him on to contest the league season? He knew Drogba was a problem, yet after their initial wahala, he lacked the balls to sell him. He knew Makelele was our only decent DM, yet he sold him, thinking Essien would be an adequate replacement. Does he not know Essien's qualities? He didn't know his squad and he didn't know the league.

Absolutely ZERO knowledge of transfer market, just rehashing the same old transfer targets that hes worked with in the past. ZERO tactics, ZERO physical conditioning, ZERO motivation. He was inept and had to go!

Is he also going to take responsibility for signing Bosingwa?

This is hilarious!

Scolari's first failure was in the transfer market - We needed wingers and strikers, we only got a midfielder. There's a chance that we could have been better with Robinho but in the acquisition of Deco, he showed total misunderstanding of what was needed in the team. We had Essien, Mikel, Lampard, Ballack why buy another midfielder? After the failure of acquiring Robinho what was his alternative plan?

Scolari was timid. BTW and so was Grant. The team needed a strong manager. A manager unafraid of the untouchables. A manager who could decide who to play and who to drop, who could stay and who could leave.The team failed on most occasions to show fighting spirit. Under JM and even Grant we came from behind and won games even against top opposition. He failed to motivate the team when it was needed. He could not get the players to save his job. He was afraid of risks. A few times, JM had the tenacity to play just 3 defenders in order to bring in more strikers. That is guts.


His tactics were wrong. His substitutions were beyond belief. His team lost stamina, conceded constantly from crosses and set pieces; failed to break open opposing defenses; failed to counter attack.

The guy was tactically inept, technically clueless and seemed to lack morale fibre.

Statistically, Scolari is our worst Manager under RA. If JM could be sacked after a few games, why not scolari after 25 league games?

I always knew you would fly out from nowhere and blame JM for all our problems.

I don't want to talk about the past now.

It's one thing to say you want a young team and another to be patient for a first trophy. We may not need a total overhaul, we just need a few young players in key positions like the wing and forward. Also I think we need a defensive midfielder. Mikel should be allowed to come forward as a normal midfielder, all he needs is shooting skills and maturity.

We need the core to remain except Anelka, Drogba, Ballack, Deco, Malouda.

Nateevs,
I agree we have the fundamentalist problems you mentioned and only a strong manager can deal with them. The truth is only an established manager or JM himself can do that.

If JM returns, he can bench or sell out whoever he wants and no player will dare question him. I can not guarantee the same for Zola and Clarke.

I think most old players would leave at the end of the season, except Lampard and Terry, so it may not be as much of a problem.

Nateevs,
If I say the person I want back we would start a new 6 page argument  
Anyway I think whoever comes should have Clarke as an assistant. And for the record I do not want AG back.

Ibime,
Forget that Kenyon guy. Why he hasn't been sacked is beyond me. The guy has sacked 3 Managers and the replacements of JM failed to leave up to expectation. He has approved buying guys like Shevy and SWP. The guy should be sacked, period. I'm just waiting till the end of the season, if we don't break even then . . . Goodbye Kenyon. Good Riddance!

Ibime:

Any of the following managers would do a better job than Scolari straight away:


Steve Clarke
Zola
AG

I think the same too. I would prefer Zola to AG because he's a true fan and is doing well with Clarke already. Players will respect those too. They can get the right morale from players and set them right when they falter. Players like Drogba and Anelka will be set straight with disciplinary actions.

However, I think differently when it comes to Makalele. i think like the players we have now he was getting old and was a bit of a cost reduction decision.

~Sauron~:

Are u sure of that??

I still dunno how these men will make Drogba haul ass and play footie like he used to.
Which of these men will tell Petr Cech to remove his head guard or improve Ashley Cole's ball control??
Chelsea fans are comedians.

Remember JM threatened to leave if Clarke's contract wasn't renewed?

Clarke's is the unsung hero of Chelsea Mgt. He will do well with Zola.

Meanwhile how does Arsene and Benitez escape being sacked?

Nateevs,
Put a sock in it  
For once be happy that Mgt took the right decision albeit at the wrong time.

You agree Scolari was a failure. We need a much better personality.

I'm going to celebrate tonight.

I wish we could get Zola and Clarke.

Bullseye!!!

Sideways passing without penetration is all we've got for Scolari.

nateevs:

@Somze.

Inter team is so worse than ours they can afford to loan Quaresma to us. how much SerieA do watch to come to this conclusion? Q was not even included in their CL squad to show you how[i] "poor"[/i] they are . We are still short two players in the CL to show how "better" our team is

Please compare player by player in every position or better still compare AGE.

Crystalz
I think you are being very inaccurate. You have no proof that the players aren't trying hard enough or being lazy with Scolari's new style.

Take a player like Anelka, whom Chelsea fans love to hate, the guy improved this season and started banging in goals albeit only against lower opposition teams. However, this guy who has visibly improved during Scolari's period criticized Scolari or the team as being clueless.

The players are trying very very hard. Accusing them of the opposite is not only unfair but inaccurate.

FBS:

@Sauro, Nateevs:
Hold on a second. Imagine you are the CEO of a company and the shareholders are complaining about the company performance.
What do you think they will do? sack all the current employees or push for a change in management?

No club has replaced all it's starting 11 in a season.

No Company has sacked ALL employees as a result of performance.

But perhaps Nateevs knows better.

nateevs:

I watch closely how LFS wants his players to play. . . He wants them to move the ball around and create opportunities. These players played a route one system with everything around Lampard and Drogba. I do not expect them to change just like that.

This is very inaccurate. How many players here played in the glory days of Drogba?

Drogba himself hardly starts a game. Are the players so dumb that they can't play any other system the Manager gives.

This excuse is a blatant lie sent from the very pits of hell. Drogba this, Drogba that! Did Drogba cause you to be sacked from your first job?

nateevs:

My humble assessment of the whole situation is that these players can't play LFS's system. . . we need width, pace and creativity as well people who know where the goal mouth is, to play this system. . . that's why he succeeded in Brazil and with Brazil. . .

Inter can't play JM's system so JM changed his system.

Scolari's opportunity to get in players for his so called system got us - Deco and Bosingwa. How have they done?
Truth is if we pass much less and aim at the post much more, we may score more goals. It's easier for defenders to pick those passes out once they get too much.

nateevs:

So far the system has failed. . . . I genuinely still believe though that the system can work. . . .  So to your question. . . what do we do? . .

My Answer. . . . Let's tweak a bit. . find the right players for this system and see what happens. . . !

Give the Scolari all the funds he needs to buy Kaka and all other Brazilians and his system would work. No wonder he is such a great coach.

Cristalz:

@somze
He's fired 2 managers now and the team seems to be depreciating. I doubt that firing this one will change anything. Players have got a huge chunk of the problem here.

Grant had this same team, or maybe a worse one.

Sor far we have failed against top 4 opposition, we have constantly dropped point at home, we are bad at set pieces, our attack is in shambles as we neither possess attacking prowess nor efficient counters etc. It is obvious we need a better manager.

Look at JM, his team is worse than ours but he seems to be grinding out results.

I don't have to prove Scolari has failed. Just look at the stats. It's obvious. A better manager would have done way better.

Cristalz:

Roman can't keep firing managers like it's a hobby.

Who says?

nateevs:

We can't play Aston Villa this way. . . . We need a different team.

Face it!!! We need a different [size=16pt]MANAGER[/size]!!!

That's it I'm following the PGA Tour from now on.

Rubbish!!!

nateevs:


Really. . . . !!!!

Obviously that was a swipe at your support for him  

Sorry  

nateevs:

Scolari is the reason John Terry kicked the ball over the bar from 1 yard out?

No but the failure of his tactics over the season will show a ten year old that his time is up.

To score you need clear cut chances. If your team has more of that then the probability of a goal increases. If your, team however delights in wasting delicate time to pass the ball from one leg to another then the opposing defence can recoup to prevent a goal.

We are clueless.

Replace Scolari,

This is just sad.

Playing around and no goals.

Good football by Chelsea, nice backheel from Quaresma.

The Managers are different

I don't know how true that is but if it is then Anelka is braver than I thought.

He was simply stating facts. Nothing wrong there.

lol

Well, except Kenyon is honest (I think this is the only time those two fit in the same sentence) chances are that most of those players will leave.

Have you ever asked yourself why we fail to use them in the Carling Cup? If we expect a Mass Exodus of players at the end of the season why not integrate them into the team now? Why wait?

Clubs like Real and Chelsea fail to learn their lesson. The easy way which evades growing your own talent leads to a whole lot of debt.

Nateevs,
Diarra wanted to leave.

Who grew the players at Porto?

Anyway, manager's today do not have the convenience of growing a team of youngsters from the scratch - well unless you are Wenger. You generally have to mix up the young and the experienced. I think most big clubs adhere in particular ways to this principle.

T0kunb0
I agree Diarra would have been a driving force in the midfield now if he had been patient.

Ibime,  Nateevs,

It is obvious anti-JM sentiments cloud your footballing criticism.

Quaresma has spent just 3 months in Italy and it's JM fault he's not doing well? So I guess by that very logic it is LPS fault Deco isn't doing well

Diarra on that list is just purely laughable. Nateevs is so partial when it comes to JM. I am sure even Ibime will agree Diarra left because he had no opportunities to play in his original role not because he was a flop. We had Makalele, Essien, Ballack and Mikel. Diarra had no chance. He even started playing right back at some point.

Some things don't happen in 3 months and under widespread criticism. Also the player as well as the manager has a role to play. I could point out a whole lot of reasons including expectations as a result of his high fee but I'm uninterested in the discussion at the moment.

As for JM, I believe his team is in a good position in the Serie A and in all competitions.

I doubt if Quaresma will do well at Chelsea.

He's a lazy player, overhyped player that belongs in Porto . . . Period.

Anyway, look at this

Indeed, the coach, as I have always said, is the perfect one for him - Mourinho will be capable of aiding him with his tactical ability, and aspects of a game required from a professional player, rather than a football free-style master. Whilst I must admit that only from the summer did I start believing Quaresma could perhaps make it as a big player, I have always admitted that if there is a manager in the game capable of doing it, it would be Mourinho

For those that think JM only uses made players.

I remember Joe Cole's maturity under Jm, where is Joey now?

Scolari is crap and his sack would only be fair.

Every Chelsea fan knows the truth, well everyone save Nateevs,

Scolari was always unsuitable for the job. He was bad in the market and is bad as a motivator and tactician. That is no one's fault.

However, management has a role to play in all this. Yes, they should take full responsibility for our performances in the last three seasons. It was mistake after mistake, blunder after blunder. JM should have had their unflinching support but what did he get as reward for a near perfect job done? - Snitching, Snickering, rumours, disquiet and then the Sack. What a way to treat your most successful manager of all times.

After the sack you would think Mgt would get someone competent but who did they get - Grant. The result? No trophies.

After Grant you would think they would get a manager with experience from top clubs like Barca, Real, Milan but who do they get - Scolari. The result? - Same as above.

We don't need a new team until we have a new management.

That link aint working

Where can i watch this online?