baralatie:

Do those things negate Gods' omnipotency?
Or
Does it validates God's Omnirighteousness!


To your second question...wat is the question?
God cannot create a stone or
Can God give life to a stone?or
God cannot create life?

"Can god create a stone that he cannot lift" that Is the question.
Dont make up words there's no such thing as omnirighteousness.

Also not being to able to something even as minute as let's say lifting a feather negates omnipotent as omnipotent means being able to do all things

WiszyFraud:
Did you know??



10, 20, or 30 years from now you will be laughing at most of the things giving you a headache today.
Be positive.

Must we wait all those years, why cant we laugh now

2elliot:
This is a very stupid paradox because, being and omnipotent God would mean that His creation can not be bigger than Him. Even humans who are not omnipotent has total control over their own creations. They can make toy cars that can fit in a pocket, and can still make real cars that are hard to lift up.

That's why it's a paradox, have control have ur creations isn't omnipotence.

Omnipotence means being able to do any and all things. The paradox is just a clear indication that no being can truly be omnipotent.

And besides the Christian God isnt omnipotent seeing as he has so many limitations

baralatie:

What is it that thing you think It is impossible that God cannot do

Lie, behold sin, sin. And many other things

But my own is can God create a stone that he can't life

CamusMidas:

No naw, he would be dragging it small small; throughout the night self just so the light won't off.

Lol. If the light goes off, you could always light it again

baralatie:

Omnipotent means all powerful.one whose powers have infinite levels

He made the whole universe and all it's contents ..all powerful


Can an all powerful God tell a lie . No

Those that make him less omnipotent ....No

He remains Omnipotent and Omnirighteous

Not being able to do something automatically makes you non omnipotent. You're just being sentimental now because it involves God

Sisora:
Again, not my line of reasoning but yours. Don't add lying to your illogical arguments

Secondly, control is not omnipotence.

Thirdly, power over a limited spectrum of beings is not omnipotence.

Fourthly, I am not omnipotent

and lastly, you can't think

Dont bother arguing with him. See the way he's cherry picking that part out of context, the same way some people cherry pick some verse out of the bible to suit their narrative.

Also he isn't ready to see things from your POV, he just wants to continue pushing his agenda.

2elliot:
This is a very stupid paradox because, being and omnipotent God would mean that His creation can not be bigger than Him. Even humans who are not omnipotent has total control over their own creations. They can make toy cars that can fit in a pocket, and can still make real cars that are hard to lift up.

Do u even know the paradox
"Can an omnipotent being create a stone that he cannot lift".
Ponder on that and tell me ur pov

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! The understanding drawn from scriptural context is not as defined by men.

Pay attention! The OP asked if God is omnipotent or not, hence the reason why we consider that which was in fact declared by God in this.

2. Actually, God defined His own omnipotence with limits... this is what He told humans.

3. Omnipotence is a word that is typically directly related in ways to the word "Almighty" used in reference to God, in scripture.

4. No matter how many times you rename or change it, so long as attempts are at using it in reference to God, it would be folly to ignore God's definition of His Almightiness, why? Because the knowledge we have of Him is that He has defined for us within the context of His Laws to us.

Your no. 2
Omnipotence with limit isn't omnipotence. That is a contradictory statement.

PeaceJoyLove:

And you are getting "more madder" with the truth being dashed at your face, while trying to deny it.

Were you not the one who first quoted me? Did I know you before?

Oga, I am not here to debate about God. So, I dont know your mission here. What I am telling those who claim to be athiest here is that they are because they are failures.

If you are an atheist on this thread, you are a failure. That's the truth. No reasonable athiest will show face on this thread cos the argument is shallow. If you cannot still think deep and well about this point, you are just making a nuisance of yourself here.

A dey use you cruise ...and you still dey try prove your point. See eh.... you no be athiest. Go hustle! When God picks your call, na you go loud am for church doing Thanksgiving...

There is a "BUT" in your life. Go fix it.

Ozuor, be there giving me advice which u clearly need for yourself, if I asked you what truth now I'm sure you'll derail from d topic.

PeaceJoyLove:

Lol!

Nothing is dumb as long as it can be verified. Take samples of visa thread on NL and you will know. I guess you don't know how to do it. Then, look at the number of people who are bittered about their refusal. As long as you know how to do it, you will understand. If I am to push out a thread about it, I know how to bring put facts, figures, and then come up with my argument, recommendation and conclusion. Shikena. But you dont see it. There is causation and correlation relationship....no be only correlation dey.

Also, I can show you that Nigerians are frustrated. Easy to prove. And then, people lay out a get unnecessary on things they would not pay attention to if they are ok.

Well, I am not ready to start going into details, but I have given you an overview I can put my facts together to show that visa denials and lack of money are major reasons people like you claim to be athiests.

Also from observation, it is only online some of you claim to be athiests. In real life, you are afraid to even voice it out. Lol. Meanwhile mean that many of you don't know God, so you vs not be atheist. Many of you are just frustrated and the way to show it is to come on NL and tell at God for your failures.



If you are disappointed, you wont even have time for this thread. Lol. Keep deceiving yourself. You need to take responsibility for your failure. That's the only way forward. Hating on God here will not solve it. Even there is no God, it wont solve anything for you.


You wan disguise. Lol. Of course, you will. If you see some little millions of naira also, you will pick mic and start yelling "Jesus is Alive". Stop deceiving yourself. This is Nigeria. A place politicians take you for ride. Lol.


Y ar erfcrly right here. I like this. Gbam!!! E be like say your ahead correct small. But see... look deep and identify where you missed it. Not saying you should accept there is God, but trust me, you wont have time for this "amala, eva, fufu" method of debating the existence of God. The argument in this thread is too weak. This is my point..


Telling them that they should go hustle is not bashing them. I told them the truth straight up. Na laziness dey worry dem. If dem dey ok, dem no go get time come dey debate God on NL. They are showing off their frustration here. They know I am saying the truth. Even you too know.


But you are trying to debate with me about the existence of God while I keep talking you to your problems. Do I look like someone ready to debate the existence of God? Is it not you trying to? And you said only a fool will debate it with me. Yeah. So, are you not already one?

Look at the way I flowed with your "eba, amala, fufu" argument and turned it on your head and everything bursted on your head. You just called yourself a fool. Lol.

Let me help you futher, if you are a real atheist, you will not attempt to show face on this thread because the argument here is so shallow. Imagine someone asked me to prove God by telling God to help another person with his laziness. Is that logical? Lol.

See, when you are an athiest, your opening post willl show you are. Not all the "Miyan Kuka" childish argument flooded on NL.

A beg, a go just dey use you cruise dey flenjoor.

Leave this thread and bring out a solid argument ...real argument that even a christian will look and you and say....respect bro! As in you will almost convert a thesist with your argument. Not these "corn flakes and cereals" arguments.

A beg.... go sleep. Deal with yourself. Improve yourself. If you say God is imaginary, then, leave Him alone. Why fight Him? You are "more madder" than those Christians na. Lol. Something is imaginary and you want to keep proving it without going into something concrete. Give me real argument and I will flow with you.... See...go hustle ....Biko!

Do you see me complaining about God, it's stupid assumptions like this I dont like.

You need to work on yourself, stop claiming you knw what an atheist should be like.

Me being an atheist doesn't mean I'd tell the whole world I'm an atheist, atheism isn't a religion.

PeaceJoyLove:

I am not making any assumption that he is poor. He is very poor. It is clear from his post.

Listen and listen carefully, most people aren't atheist especially the ones from Africa, and most likely you fall into the category too.

1. Nigerians become athiests when they are denied visas many times.
2. When they are frustrated with financial lack.

So, tell me...why are there prosperity preachers scamming people all over the place? Why are there kidnappers? Why have Boko Haram members turned themselves to bandits? Oga, everything is money.

Stop deceiving yourself. 99.99999999% who are saying there is no God on NL will sing another story if you put them as special assistants to politicians. Why? They know using God will protect their looting style.

See, leave story...you are all disappointed with God for some things you are responsible for. But you have been misled that God is the one who will do it all for you. Just imagine the guy telling me to ask God solve his lack of money. Please, stop pretending. Majority of you are angry with God because you lack something in your life.

You better check yourselves. You think I have time to start debating with you when I know your levels are so low... .

Go fix yourself too. I'm sure even you still dont believe there is God, you wont have time to debate this rubbish on NL. Na poverty dey cause am. You have too much time available. Go get busy. Go hustle!

When you are a real athiest and you open a thread, I will know. A beg. No make me laugh more.

Again you are assuming
How does being denied a visa makes one an atheist, that has to be one of d dumbest correlation one can make.
Secondly, like I said I'm well to do so that financial part is rubbish

Also I'm not disappointed about God, it's like saying I'm disappointed about a flying spaghetti monster. They both dont exist. I dont blame any god for my woes in life, neither do i praise any for my achievements.

You keep mentioning if you make them assistants to politicians they'll sing another tune, as though same couldn't be said about theists, those supporting our evil politicians are they not theists like yourself.

Every scrutiny to applied to an atheist if you apply to a theist you'll get same results.

Also like I said I care not for your god. I dont go around bashing him, that would be childish of me. If it gives you peace that you believe in him, good for u. Just dont force your religion on anyone.

Again only a fool would argue with you about d existence of a god, cause from your comments you don't seem to know how to make a decent conversation and from ur assumptions I doubt you'll understand the concept of perception

PeaceJoyLove:
You want attention and you want a debate bug I will not do that. Mehn! You took hold of all the posts for another person and turned it to yours. Why? Hmmm! I told you na. Na the same problem you have. I will pick just two of your posts to still tell you that its lack of money that is wrong with you.


I said it na. You were so zealous for the work of God. Unfortunately, you worked under a scammer who told you God will solve everything for you. That's your problem. I have told you. You were disappointed with God. To read the Bible 8 times back to back is a sign that you were for serious. Even "over too very very serious". And at the end, you are still the same empty basket you were. So, you ran mad with yourself.




You want me to tell God to solve his problem? Even after reading Bible 8 times back to back, you still cannot find out that faith without works is dead. See, your problem is those false doctrines you learned.

You think I am being harsh. Nope. I am telling you.the real truth about yourself. You have a fundamental problem. Religion is a bad thing and it has damaged you. How can you say that someone else should ask God to help another person solve his problem to have money when it is clear that the person is not getting it right.

See, your problem is money which is the problem of majority of Nigeria. Do not hide from it. Nigeria is a poor nation ans most people lack basic facilities. So, dont come here to pretend as if you are okay financially.

About me, I am not proud. Go read about my humble self .... just go through my threads. I teach people how to fish and it is all in my thread. I cannot say I am wealthy, but I am comfortable. In my threads, you will not read where I claim I didnt work and God gave me all cos that is what you want me to do for the other person.

Guy, I am telling you the truth here. Leave this issue alone. Fine, you are frustrated. I get it. It is not a bad thing cos we all know that Nigeria is bleeding, but you need to cool off. This is tech age and you need a skill in that area. See, go relax. Get busy and you will not habe time debating with "yeye" style like this.

See, if you are really atheist, you will come with strong points. You will pick real issues about life and analyse it like a pro.... not this fufu and eba style argument you are pushing here. Imagine ......your argument to prove no God ia that I should go ask God to help him...when you and I know that hardwork is the main requirement.

See... you are a lazy man blaming God for your failures.

Leave God aside, go and hustle. Hustle bro! This is the message I will keep telling you. Go hustle. Money is your problem.

You are doing yanga as if you have N10k in your bank account. You ever get 2 milla in your account since you were born? Poor man wey still dey stubborn, na hunger go kill you. That hunger that has made you dey vex for God.

Why do u keep assuming he's poor, I agree with you that he's hatred for god is a big concern but the way you keep buttressing it, as if being a Christian will solve ur financial problems. Or as if all atheist are poor.

I'm an atheist myself, and I wouldn't call myself rich but i have just enough to enjoy myself the way I want to.

Kobojunkie:
1. Lucifer wasn't an angel. Instead he is a myth.

2. The choices available to men are as defined in God's Law. According to His Law. Heaven and Hell are choices available to those who are born-again.

Which bible do you read

OGwales:



Lies... Wasn't Lucifer an angel? Didn't he and some other angel made choices in heaven? Also, if God can give man the right to choose his fate. Then what can a God will give humans the choice to pick hell?

Now assuming you die today and go to the so called heaven, do you have a choice? I guess no. So why didn't the all loving God did that from the beginning? Instead of making a mess of himself?

Bro arguing with them about their god I pointless, just let them be and live on with your life. They are like slaves who don't want to be liberated.

Live and let live

Kobojunkie:
Yes, those limits are as defined by Him. Our very understanding of who God is is as defined by His Laws and it is from those laws we gather that He is all powerful within the limits defined by Him in His Law/agreement with us.

You decide then. Omnipotence in the Bible context means omnipotence as defined by God Himself.

I dont know what information you're trying to pass on here. Can you clarify

Kobojunkie:
Able to do any and all things within the context of His Law to men.

God is able to do all things but He cannot lie, for example.

Then he isn't omnipotent as there as so many things he can't do.
Lets not deviate from what OP said.

The paradox "can an omnipotent being create a rock it cannot create". In this case the omnipotent being is God

Kobojunkie:
Not really! It means that the understanding men who wrote of His omnipotence had is different from the understanding you lot have and use of the word. God is Omnipotence, as used in scripture, boils down to sovereignty/control over His creation.

Omnipotence has one meaning: able to do any and all things. God doesn't has his own special form of omnipotence, if not then you're saying he's nigh-omnipotent

There's no God bro, know this and know peace

MaDaRa01:
I once saw it somewhere -paradox of some sort. Omnipotent means all powerful.
Can an omnipotent being - all powerful, make a box that he cant lift?

YES? If he can't lift a box he create, that means he's not omnipotent.

NO? If he cannot create a box he cant lift, that also means hes not omnipotent, because there's still something he can't do.

Yea I've researched on this too, it's called the omnipotent paradox.

If God creates the stone and can't lift it, it means there's something he can't do which is lifting that stone, and if cant create a stone that he cant lift, it also means there's something he can't do which is "creating a stone he cant lift:
It's a paradox so dont expect any clear answers on it.
Personall I feel it shows there's no such thing as an omnipotent being

Kobojunkie:
What do you mean by that? There are lots that God cannot do. God cannot, for instance, tell a lie. He also cannot contradict Himself. ....

Going by this, that means God isn't omnipotent then. Seeing as there are some things he cannot do

I wonder how those Catholics that always call someone a Muslim terrorist whenever we point out the obvious truth would feel about this.

Everyone world leader knows this is the truth, any body with a working brain knows this is the truth, but some retards with their hate for russia( caused by western media and western movies) don't wanna believe

Channel that energy to make yourself a better person, as I'm here I'm looking for that spirit of jealousy to motivate myself.

You've shown evidence that US actually do import from china and those guys kept quiet. The way some people overhype the US ehn.

What everyone's looking for is what you're complaining about. If you don tire for the girl, abeg drop her digits

Gointo:
But wait you believe demons exist,and you call yourself Athiest..be sincere with yourself about that emptiness in your heart that only the lord jesus christ can fill....if you can pray a sincere prayer with the whole of your heart,call upon the lord jesus christ, if your ready to quit sin for good,,then pour out your misgiving,pour everything to the LORD and ask for mercy,and invite him into your life. you will receive revelations if you believe,he will reveal himself to you,the mistake many people make is that they read the bible and dont pray about what they read to become their reality,they just read and close it..its unbelieve,i pray the holyspirit open the eyes of your understanding and convict your heart,AMEN..i await your testimony in christ ,AMEN.
N.B: be individualistic in your approach to God, personal relationship first b4 congregational paparazi. that sunday service you go with your wife is just a waste of time..GOD want men to have personal relatioship with him,thats number 1 b4 anythin els..

Bold of assume to assume an atheist believes there are demons. Or which atheist do you know that believes such nonsense

Dtruthspeaker:


Not True! I gave evidence of my assertion and you accepted it.

Now you supplied a rebuttal evidence, which I countered with Sayings of Truths, calling it, "A Very Big Lie"!

And which evidence did u give

Dtruthspeaker:


Not for those who have learnt all that God Teaches. Their tomorrows are always better than their Yesterdays.

Are Nigerians not complaining that life was better before buhari. Not everything is about religion

Bobmarie:


Everyone knows. Calm down bro. That's YouTube talk.

Sure

Dtruthspeaker:


That's why I said "Their yesterdays are always better than their todays".



Only for them to die before 35.



Nope! In the past, people had hopes and saw their hopes fulfilled. But, today, despair is their story and hopenoneness, their dream.

Like I said everyone's yesterday is better than their today. That means no particular yesterday us good because people in 2050s will still wish they were born now in the 2020s.

The world will always be shitty.

Bobmarie:


Why should they? You guys don't accept your own cultures... Why on earth should they? Those Arab nations still stick to their religion and culture. So much so that both are intertwined.

You dare call Christianity African culture. My guy, you're a fool o. Christianity that white people brought for you on a platter. You're here claiming it as Kenyan Christian culture. Are you even reading what you are writing?

You are not more Christian than they are. If there can accept gays and go to church. You ought to accept them too. Besides you are currently living the white man's culture. You wear their clothes, speak their language, use their technology and worship their God.

Please take a seat and stop commenting. It's getting obvious that you lack the ability to think.

Truer words have never been typed

Bobmarie:


You question just shows you have no idea how international politics work. Do you understand what Allies mean? Go and read about all the nations that USA sent troops to. Eg: Afghanistan was overrun by the Taliban. Afghanistan being an American ally had to step back for USA to flush out the Taliban. If America was so bad... Why were the citizens of Afghanistan running after the Americans when they pulled out their troops?

Please learn to exercise critical reasoning. You're on the internet.

Also Afghanistan is relatively peaceful now than when the US were still there