Are you for abuse or for logical reasoning. In the comfort of your mind, you do thought you are more intelligent than NL FREE THINKERS who figured things out for themselves then left the religion of their parents.
Have you ever thought deeper in your mind the word inspiration. Who even cook up those stories. Are they really certain that those thoughts of theirs are not dreams or hallucinations which you do experience one way or the other too? Or did they phantom all these as legendary stories as we had here too(Nigeria and our local myth story of turtle or that sorts)? The monster in the heaven actually like dealing or revealing himself to a fraction of few men rather than to the world through more vivid evidence and prove. Did god intentionally hidden himself from us to test whether we can figure it out things for ourselves.
So many questions left unanswered by religion believers like you. We atheists followed more plausible explanations rather than resorting to a known mythical stories of the primeval isreali, Roman, and Greek culture and traditions.
Dont think we are not previously religious like you are now,we may even be pretty much deeper then. Compelling religion and science without bias will land you to more plausible and explainable facts of things.
Have religion through their ever trusted ideas produce anything or Explorations to better human wellbeing and understanding of the working processes of the universe.
One last thing is that science is more harder to understand but religion is all about just believing in what one book inscribed and was told by your parents
Dont take this the wrong way, i'm just tryna correct you little error in your signature text.. It is '21st' not '21th'... You are welcome.
NL is my p'ground*tong'out* .....Do i sound lyk what u'r tinkin? So if u dnt do church whtz my biz? Just to like & receive online blessing naiem u de fyte me for......u really need deliverance
Hmmm... Blessing? What does that even mean? Abeg, go bless yourself jawe. Thanks for the offer though. *tongue*
Doz it look like a joke ...instead of u to claim yr blessing.........Ppl like u wld b d 1st 2 drop yr wallet wen yr pastor says dat in the church...
Lmao, you really need to go down to the playground i suggested earlier on... Do i look like a gullible christian like you who your pastors can spin anyhow and brainwash you and collect your hard earned money? Pleazzzee! I am an Agnostic, just so you know. I dont do church!
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You think you are in the Joke section right? This is a section where intellectuals discuss salient issues about life. Go and look for a toy outside and play with if you cant contribute intellectually please.
Please what exactly do u mean by as if their is no God?
Lolz, Johnny... I respect you a lot. But dont take this the wrong way. I guess many other people must have observed it too... You always (or most times) used the word 'their' in place of 'there'. If you go through most of your post on different thread, you'll see them. I just thought i should draw your attention to that.
Keep doing what you do. So many of us in the background admire your effort here on this forum.
Foreigners can do what they want. I worship Amadioha.
Must we humans 'WORSHIP' anything? What's all these fuss about worshipping a being we cant know for sure that he is there. Just live a secular life and die away when your time comes. Simple!
Have you ever wondered why they cant do it during the dry season?
because of the absence of rain clouds..
My dad once told me, their is a particular leaf when burnt induces rain when the smoke reaches the sky during the raining season
this is practically very plausible because when silver iodine (Agl) is administered into the cloud (commonly with the help of a plane) it induces rain from the cloud. so these are just clever ways to manipulate nature... People who don't grasp this will certainly call it magic or say it has something to do with spiritual mumbo jumbo.
Nice one Johnydon. I admire your witty replies to most issues raised, both here and in other threads. Keep it up!
When all these claims are scrutinized they all turn out to be fake. All supernatural claims are fake, that is why no God can heal an amputee and restore their amputated limbs back. We get to hear about God healing people of their cancer(mostly after they have under gone painful cancer treatments) or other diseases, but we never get to hear about God healing any amputee. All of these claims involve tricks most people are not aware of, some are just baseless claims that nobody has ever bothered to check out their veracity. I'll post more videos for you to watch.
Thanks Dalaman, i'll watch them. Just share as much as you can. Jeez! I almost puked while watching this. Lolz. Nice trick.
You say LIFE after DEATH. . . Just that name alone contradicts everything. .Death means Absence of life, How can you now say their is life in absence of life? is that not a selfish wishful thinking conjured by a selfish mind who probably do not want to imagine that death means "That is it nothing more"
This was probably why the Egyptians came up with this notion of "afterlife", reward and punishment (tribunal of Osiris) Its just a concept derived by religion.
I suppose some people find comfort in the whole notion of "passing over" instead of simply "Dying".
It is not difficult to understand why we create stories for ourselves, given that we are probably/ almost certainly the only species on the planet who know from a very young age that we are going to die someday.
Other animals just live in the moment.
I doubt that the dogs and birds out there are freighting about afterlife or performing rituals to secure their place in heaven.
But our 'knowledge' of the inevitable end of our being is something of a burden to us.
So maybe we should just stop dwelling of such fancies of afterlife and just get on with what we have now and where we are now.
Wow! This is just wow! It's a lot to take in. Good one there Johny.
Let me add that no one has ever used the so-called spiritual to contribute anything useful to humanity. It's all wishy washy buffet of lies and tricks for appetites of the ignorant.
My grandmother, for example, still sees Skype as spiritual witchcraft. How would I ever explain to her how Skype works? It's the same thing with many yet-to-be-undetstood application of purely natural laws that still hold usvin awe.
Every single phenomena has a purely scientific explanation.
Higher intelligence is just as a result of higher evolved sophisticated brains of homo sapiens. Intelligence as we know is as a result of the brain. Other Animals have their own unique intelligence, termites had an organized civilization and built cities (ant hills) long before humans did, how did such little ants become civilized before the almighty homo sapiens?
Take a good look at a dog, what differences do you see? You have eyes, same with it, you have nose, mouth, tongue, teeth, limbs. same with it. . arrangement based on adaptive technics is just the only difference.
You are alive, so is the tiny ant you crush everyday, what made you think your consciousness is entirely different? Same metabolism that keeps an ant alive keeps you an alive not some spirit mumbo jumbo.
Just the heightened sense of conscious reality in homo sapiens due to a higher intellect bore out these explanations. I doubt that birds and spiders go about thinking their consciousness is as a result of spirit while others are not.
Hmm, well said. Well, from your line of thought. Is it safe for me to say you (Atheist) dont believe in a life after death? Does it mean, when we die, we'll just be like other living things like Maize, goats, ants just die away, and nothing more after death?
It is mostly ignorance and our inability to know that people use a lot of tricks to beguile one another.
Back in 2009 the Indian government was so tired of it's people and their superstitious belief that they openly came out and banned all the so called gurus that claimed they had supernatural powers, the government knew that a superstitious society can never move forward and advance. Science the only mechanism that has advanced the human race is based solely on the principle of naturalism. So far nothing can advance the human race like science, and nothing will. The Indian government then began to use various mediums to create awareness and expose the tricks used by the so called super natural gurus to see to it that they loosen their strong grip on the people . Here is one of such videos.
The spiritual is just people making things up and promoting ignorance. No one has ever used the spiritual to explain anything clearly.
Hmmm, thanks for this video. It really shows the trick people use. Trust me, at first i believed it was something real. Especially the part were the girl just laid still after all the magic. I did'nt know she and her parents were all part of the team. Thanks again for the video.
aaronson: Op,first off,I could tell you believe or fear the spiritual,reason why? Because you created this thread asking such a question and secondly,you being an agnostic christian lol.
The real ritual in making spiritual events look real is the believe you have in it,right in your mind,if you could maintain full control of your mind and cease to believe in that crap automatically,it would loose its significant to you,you believe is like the fuel or gasoline that powers the impotence of spirituality. Generally Atheists such as myself don't believe in the spiritual but I do because,spirituality is wrongly conceived by the believers,now this is the type of spirituality I'm talking about....Close your eyes firmly,you would envision something like the eyes of a cat,guess what? That feeling that made you recognize that which you saw when your eyes was close is the spiritual you,furthermore,in the real sense,spirituality is the conscious you in your unconscious state or when you have your eyes close,there is no such thing as super natural power to spirituality but ability to note what happen to you when you was unconscious or eyes closed for example dream,dream plays out when your mind consciousness is very much active but your body is lying unconsciously in bed,that's example of the spiritual you because your physical is in bed while the conscious mind actively wandering around but its funny how believers today conceived spirituality to be God affiliated and things diabolical,like I said earlier,your believe is what fuels the potency of whatever spirit because reality and spirits repel and can't meet in the real world,with that said,spirituality is you without your body but active mind and the minute you die,everything shuts down,both the physical body,your mind and every vital signs your body produces. No god is responsible,it simply biology and psychology playing out.
Hmmm, you are right about me though and my fears of the 'spiritual'. Your views about it is a bit deep. I'll take note of it. Thanks for sharing.
And as we always hear, this spirits makes you alive...
Now to understand this lets ask this question..
[size=20] Why is it that something done to you physically like shooting you kills you, why dont the spirit keep you alive since its responsible for you being alive?
other Animals are conscious beings too, do they have this spirit too or not?[/size]
Hmmm, you are leaving me with more questions, lolz. I need answers. Well, most people think as humans we have a higher intelligence compared to that of animals. People think the presence of a spirit being in humans is what makes us more special and higher in intelligence than other animals. And that we have souls and spirits that live on even after our physical death. So, i get confused, i dont know what to believe.
mmsen: Supernatural events are just things that people cannot currently explain.
When people begin claiming that spirits are the reason for events taking place they have essentially said that they do not know. It is the same as people claiming that god is the cause of an event.
Instead of discovery they latch onto the laziest answer that they can think of. Sadly, Nigerian society makes room for such stupidity.
freecocoa: Lol, I don't sit on the fence at all times though, just on things I find unexplainable, you know, it's hard for someone who likes to reason to just be on the fence.
Hehe, i guess i'll sit on the fence with you on this case jare. Until i can completely understand or explain these 'unexplainable' things.
johnydon22: One word [size=20] Superstition am sure you know what that means.
Finally, what is an Atheist take on the possibility of the existence of Demons? Demons? thats funny, their is no such things as that, its just plain myth worked out of superstitious jagons. Atheist disbelief the existence of a god, how can an atheist still buy the demon bullshiiit.
E.G the succubus and incubus demons were worked out from the myth of lilith, a jewish mythology of Adam's first wife before eve. their is nothing like such nonsense. . its just in the mind and nothing more.
All of these are ways adults believe in Children's fairy tales...
Hmmm, Thanks John. You've Provided reasonable answers to my question about Atheist stand point when it comes to things of the spiritual. I really appreciate.
You can fill me in on any more thing you think i need to know about Atheist view of the spiritual whenever you can. Thanks again!
Well, being Agnostic has pretty much explained my stance on such things, I just don't read any meanings to things I can't explain, you know, like being scared of the so called fetish things and whatnot.
Hmmm, typical of an Agnostic. We just sit on the fence, lolz. I get your point though.
menesheh: Astrology, fortune telling, magic, spell binding, spiritism, super natural, religions and lots more are human imagination and illusions.
Human beings was preprogrammed by evolution via natural selection to glamour for unseen transcendence do to their lack the knowledge of the working process of our natural environment, replacing unknown and whatever looks complicated as some sort of unseen force (god of the gap)
Hmmm, I see. Do humans have spirits? If yes, are humans in anyway conscious about this spirit? What about demons, do they exist as well?
Good, like i have said i haven't seen any that have been substantiated.
From the examples i gave, do you consider someone swallowing a sword natural? of course it is, he just knew precisely what angle to keep his throat. So most of these tricks we point to as magic are just phenomenas we do not grasp how it was achieved.
My dad once told me, their is a particular leaf when burnt induces rain when the smoke reaches the sky during the raining season, this is practically very plausible because when silver iodine (Agl) is administered into the cloud (commonly with the help of a plane) it induces rain from the cloud. so these are just clever ways to manipulate nature... People who don't grasp this will certainly call it magic or say it has something to do with spiritual mumbo jumbo.
Like kay17 said "When i see them build a bridge with magic in a whim or make an amputee limb grow back then i will agree"
Well, hope you dont mind my so many questions though. I have one more. So, the Ogbanje we used to hear, the fetish things done in states like Cross River and Akwa Ibom, the juju we hear of in Edo state, the shrine and all that? Does it mean to you they are non-existent or not potent?
Finally, what is an Atheist take on the possibility of the existence of Demons?
freecocoa: Well, I can understand your stand but to be agnostic christian, you do have to practice christianity,this is where I become confused and think, isn't it better to just be christian or agnostic.
Anyways, you already said it's not logical so...
Well, for now i still go to church once in a while. But i just go though, i dont believe all the stuffs they say or do there. I just go for the fun of it. Maybe that is why i prefer calling myself an Agnostic Christian.
Someone could call these magical but they are not. . What we call Magic or spiritual phenomenons are just events we cant explain or clever tricks hidden from us.
Ok then, from the above, and from what Freemann said, these clever tricks that we cant explain or that are hidden from us, can we categorically consider them Natural (like freemann said)or they are indeed Meta-physical or spiritual?
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...instead of u to claim yr blessing.........Ppl like u wld b d 1st 2 drop yr wallet wen yr pastor says dat in the church...