@Bbdulsleek:

Salaam everyone!

I have just come back from a formal debate at work where the topic was "Islam blasphemy and tolerance". The non-muslims raised some points that our muslim debaters failed to address. We are having another debate next week friday and I would like some help in countering their points. I myself want to debate. We had fools (Allah forgive me for calling my fellow muslim fools) representing us that could only point fingers at the west rather than stay on topic.

So, I will list some of their points;

1) That islam would be banned if they were to have blasphemy laws in the UK. They said that the christians believe in Jesus (PBUH) as a god but muslims reduce him to only a prophet.[quote]Lagosshia has done humongous job and i will simply add [quote]which is more of a blasphemy, calling a prophet a prophet as we can see from the pages of the bibles or calling God a man, which He is obviously not as the Bible declares? But you christians call Yahweh a man or is Islam calling God less than God? So you see before anyone can ban Islam I all others may have to be ban for a long time before Islam is even on the table for banning. But then you will lead human directionless to God, if you believe He exists and our creation is purposeful

2) That islam is intolerant (Alah forgive them) because islam has not coexisted with any other religion in this present time. They ere complaining that in any islamic country, the minority religion suffers.

Today, though minority, but almost all the moroccan jewry remains without permanent migration to israel, while muslims are made worse than the blacks in the days of south african apartheid. imagine the europe educated by muslims andalusia, etc now complaining about the same Islam that game them the pattern to build oxford university, even cambridge. hindu took over india and began oppressing islam that has allowed them the chance to survive as their ruler of alomost 8 centuries. the jews did not fair better than the hindus in their treatment of the muslim palestinians, and they hate the christians where everyone is a goyim because the are not jews.

3) That some of them tried to date women (this is the one that amuses me) that were muslims only to find out that they could not marry the muslim women due to the Quran's stipulation. They were angry that a muslim man is allowed to marry their women. They argue that it is intolerance

dating is even forbidden in the bibles and christianity as a religion while marriage is encouraged by both. why should the women allow you to sample them in the dating when you are not even ready to marry her? if you are sincere and have acceptable moral code, become what she wants and she will be happy to be your wife and both of you can build a better england that will still continue to lead in the future. would you men allow your sisters to be sampled instead of being married?

4) That islam is against freedom of speech. One non-muslim made the others laugh by saying that Islam is boring that they dont even have proper comedians in islamic countries because one false joke about the religion and they are dead.

freedom of speech does not allow me to make "your mama" statement that is false, even as a friendly and harmless joke. even if i were right about 'your mama', there are something that must be kept filed away in memories only because it will upset the sensibility of others. a case in point, if i see your mother in adultery, i do not have the right to make your father unhappy by making it known to him that his wife is a community property and an untrustworthy of his love. there maybe many things that your father may think about then, including the legitimacy of your carrying his blood. will you even be happy if your father is the one that is under the skirt of every woman when your mother is so dedicated to him, putting him up as the ideal father and mate? yet, Allah, Islam, Quran, Muhammad [sa] each is more important to the muslims than their spouses or even themselves. How then do you provoke the 1.5 Billions among mankind disregarding them?

I too am questioning my faith as a muslim. The non-muslims in my office really hammered point number 3. I pay my niece's university school fees. If she brings back a british boy from university whom she wants to marry that is not muslim, should I stop her? If the boy doesnt convert, do I really have the right to say that she is not a real muslim for marrying a non-muslim?
The non-muslim workers were bitter about this fact. I had to even caution them as they were saying things like "muslims should stick to only their women that dress like ninja if they dont want us to marry their women"

may God help you brother to be firm in His Religion for man. Amin. There are rules of morality that God has laid down for us to follow. He knows us and when we go against His Rules, we have erred according to Him, not because man sees it okay then it is okay. Satan the deceiver do make errors seem good and justified. Your niece should not find it difficult to marry a muslim, when she is ready. In the main time, se.x is not something that she should concentrate on because when its tasted, there is a big struggle to back off from it. If a non muslim boy is interested in her, she needs to tell him that there is a due process which includes being a muslim and be married.

If she is worth it, then there is no difficulty on him at least learning about Islam. Just like those who revert into it, perchance he may like it and wants to keep it. After all, we have seen many military men who married muslim wives after they have entered Islam even during the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.


We know non muslim men who became muslim because the woman they are interested in said she cant marry non muslim. Dr. Timi Omokeyinde a native of Ondo grew up in Maryland and now practicing in Dubai. You need to recognize the Authority of your life: Allah The Almighty God, instead of letting mere mortal like those in your office and boy that may be running after your niece who is your responsibility to guide for the good of your family and Pleasure of Allah confuse you.

Yes, they were abusive at times but they had me pondering at this point. Wouldnt the non-muslim feel cheated that someone can freely take his women (assuming they are people of the book) but he cant take theirs?

I will take America any day over England. The non muslim women is not forced and she found goodness in what she accepted. Just because the non muslim women accept marriage proposals from muslim women, being a case by case basis anyways, that should not override the Law of Allah against marrying your daughters to non muslims. You can not force your daughters to marry a particular man and you must not be careless enough that non muslim is her husband.

@Paris_Love:

by Paris_Love: 3:03am

sweetnnecta first lets keep romans and each of what paul penned because its a complete distraction and almost always bogus, since he was neither a prophetor a companion of the prophet you are arguing for against Muhammad [as to both of them].

I take paul to an apostle of Christ. Must he be a companion of Jesus? Was Muhammad a companion of any prophet? What i quoted was matthew28:18 and Jesus was the speaker there. Christ was the one that said go make disciples of all nation.

The "making disciples of all nations" means the nations of the children of Israel, each tribe being a nation if you ever attended their celebrations. They are having one starting from this evening. Its called Yum Kippur. They have 12 nations. The expression of all nations is in similar light as the expression of "the world does not know him", "he will convict the world. . ." are all about the world of the jews since "I was not but sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" is a true and direct statement.

Muhammad [sa] is a companion of each of the prophets [as] and Jesus was a prophet [as]. He met Jesus twice; One in the Isra journey in Jerusalem where he led them all in salatul Ibrahim [as] and then in the Miraj journey to heaven where he say Jesus and John [as] on the 2nd heaven. The word of each prophet must agree with the other prophet/s. Their words are more important that that of companions and the word of the companion of Prophet Jesus is more important than the word of the apostle Paul, because the disciple as companion if he tells the truth about Prophet Jesus [as] he will closer to the source of "Truth" than Paul who came later after it was over.

Was Jesus universal, when he said he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel? absolutely not since the house of israel was only 12 nations and that was his world in the "world does not know him, but you know him [you the disciples]". we know that the world included even at that time for than the 12 nations or tribes of Israel. I can see that you are verydeceitful by simply writing "whole" and thinking thatyou will not be tasked about it. "whole" in this case means the whole of the nations of Israel. No non children of Israel nation is included, even their cousins the arab nations were not included. so you mr nigeria is completely out.

John3;16 For God so love the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
"As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world." John 17:18

The "world" here is the 12 nations belonging to the 12 tribes of the children of Israel. It should be common knowledge that Jesus never went to all the "world" of the children of Israel. Sending his disciples to all the nook and cranny [places to preach in that world] of the abodes of the children of Israel makes sense since he had educated them enough to now be able to effectively do the job of spiritual uplifting, directing the lost he had yet to get back to the barn of the lost sheep. This instruction to the disciples if you analyze it kills the notion that they were the one who encountered the another comforter, because they are not astray that will need reminder to return to truth, all truth. Not so soon as 3 months or less.

John verse 16 couldn't be more wrong because why would God need a son and why would he perish anyone, especially the son who is innocent so that those who are not sons but are evil doers may not perish? It is every bit against the Way of God Who forgave Adam and Eve based on their sincere repentance from their hearts to now kill someone for the sake of others in His Presence.

"I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her." Mark 14:9

Do you have the Gospel of Jesus, what God sent him to deliver? Tell me few of its contents. How does God want you to conduct daily prayers to Him? How many times and what times in a day? How about a major weekly gathering? How do you fast to Him? How do you keep the remembrance of the prophets and laws? There are many things we can list still that i know differs from what Jesus said that you do not do and what he didn't say for sure that you do because you found a way to rope him in on it.

"Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those wholive on the earth-to every nation, tribe, language and people ." Revelation 14:6

You left what Jesus was sent with, what his disciples clearly said but presenting me what a person who was not there is saying? You think that makes any sense in this discussion of the need for Prophet Muhammad [sa] the Messenger of God, while you are not ashamed to present a person that neither a prophet knew or greater, came from God as a prophet?

You also said "world does not know him, but you know him [you the disciples]". I suppose you're talking about "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you anotherCounselor to be with you forever - the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, FOR HE LIVES WITH YOU AND WILL BE IN YOU ." John 14:16-17" so what do you believe now? I saw the thread you opened to argue that this very verse is talking about Muhammad. Now you've twisted to suit whatever argument you're trying to make here. You said in that thread you were seeking the truth. So which should i believe now? Let's be honest wiith ourselves please.

I am seeking the truth there and I am seeking honest discussion here. In both places, I need evidence, sincerity to say I do not know. If Jesus was the last Messenger to man from God, his mission would never have been limited to just the nations of his people. God was clear from the beginning with man that He is the God of man. Jesus would have declared I am the prophet to the whole world, instead he said I am for children of Israel, indeed the lost sheep among them. I have analyzed the Biblical verse and other verses as well. I have seen that the reality of many verses is a mixture of some truth laced up with personal wishes. In this verse particularly, we see that something will come after Jesus.


If we say immediately, we destroy the fact that the disciples though do not have maturity to absorb all that Jesus knew, they must have at least be able to retain and preserve what Jesus told them long enough to pass many years before they began to mix it with lies. But is that what was expected of the comforter, an immediate coming which you pegged at on the day of pentecost? How about Jesus saying he will return just one time and ever again [at end of time the disciples thought or was it Paul that thought so], such returning will be during the lifetime of the disciples. But Jesus never returned and he is expected by people alive now.


So one will suppose and for mw I am clear that the arrival of the another comforter was not meant for those who had received their spiritual knowledge and understanding directly from Jesus. But for those who at some generation would have transformed such knowledge to something else, thinking that was still the purest state. You have to provide proofs that i am incorrect using your Bibles.

@Evil Brain:

by Evil Brain(m): 1:00pm On Sep 21
^^^ It doesn't say the sun set on a beach. It says that Allah gave Zulquarnain the ways and means to the ends of the earth. (18:84 Yusuf Ali)

And close to about a millennium after the Quran, the "New World" was discovered by your "European masters", as if they are from another planet, not planet earth. Incidentally, "The New World" is still used to describe that "new world". Why is it acceptable to say "new world" today is because to them, it is a new place. A first time seeing it, just before then, their world ended at the point of their continental boundary, and maybe a little farther. Who helped them in navigation: Muslims, former muslims who knew that Euro was not the end of the world land mass.

The "End of the Earth" in the Quranic verse above, shows that That Traveler got to it and thought this is it, I will not go further since he saw in front of him a large body of water. He lacked good amount of geography that later became a common knowledge to even people like you. It is short sightedness in your view to assume the statement does not mean that it was speaking about that particular traveler who later encountered people where he never knew existed before.

And he (Zulquarnain) followed one of these ways. (18:85)

Until he reached the place where the sun set. And he found that it set in "a spring of murky water" (18:86).

Let me say this for myself: I traveled all night until i reached the place "X" where the sun rose. What that means is that, when I got to place "X" the sun started to rise. But heck. The sun does not rise. But my eyes see the sun rising! What do you make of that evil brain?

Now that night falls sooner yesterday than June 20, if I was at the beach to "watch the sun sets", it will set on "into" the sea [Atlantic Ocean] at the farthest horizon of my sight. Or the sun doesn't set or rises in your world?

I advise you to be careful about how you try and change the Koran. One of your Muslim brothers may decide to kill you one of these days.

Have you not seen the moon or the sun sets or rises? The earth even rotates and travels on a chatted course. You don't know these? What was observed visually may often be different from the reality, like some who may have observed Jesus saying Ellah, but they heard Elias because of their rage in hatred for him or declaring him dead when he was actually alive as in expression [left for dead, but after the enemy left the victim regained his strength as walked away to his home].

@Paris_Love:

by Paris_Love: 6:19pm

who told you that Allah didn't seal the heart of anyone?

Allah has written in the Quran that He leads people from darkness to Light [chapter 2 verse 257]. And in my life I have witnessed many a reversion into Islam. There is a family in Atlanta that I am working on right now. I am praying that they enter Islam and their entire family in Lagos does the same. Amin. This is evidence. I dont know where you live that this is a mere hypothesis to you. In Igboland of Nigeria, people are entering Islam. I guess those who wished their hearts sealed will have their wishes.

Surah47:16 And among them are men who listen to thee but in the end when they go out from thee they say to those who have received Knowledge: "What is it he said just then?" Such are men whose hearts Allah has sealed and who follow their own lusts.

among means there are some who are excluded. so not all men have their hearts sealed, but the hearts of the hypocrites, the pretenders and the outright disobedient. which one are you, since you are not a believer, muslim?

The verse says there re those who after listening to Muhammad they'll go and say 'what is it he just said then'? It's obvious Allah has sealed their heart beforehand ”Such are the men whom Allah has cursed for He has made them deaf and blinded their sight.” (Q47.23) Not only does Allah seal people's heart, he also makes them deaf and blind their eyes. Even if these people whom Allah chose to mislead, did something wrong why he,instead of opening their hearts should seal them?

who are the people who suffer this type of humiliation, except the hypocrites? read it again. they listened to the lecture. they did not say to the professor that they did not understand. but they left and said to those who are not the professor, "what did the professor just said" as if they were not there. they showed that they were blind, deaf as well as dumb since they sat in, listened in and yet got nothing from it. those who crave for Mercy of Allah will pray for their hearts to be unsealed. I do that, a lot. you should try it, instead of removing yourself from the Mercy of Allah.

The Quran can be a confusing book ain't it? There are many verses that says Muhammad was sent only to arabs. [list]Quran 10:47 says, And for every people there is a Messenger.[/list] [list]And WE have not sent any Messenger except with revelation in the language of his people in order that he might make things clear to them. If these verses are true, then Islam is not for non-Arabs. The Quran attests that every people have received their divine message in their own language so they can understand it and the Quran is for Arabs.[/list] just to mention but a few. And as for the message being universal, the bible made it clear that Jesus was for the whole. The famous john3:16 Matthew28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile” (Rom. 1:16).

you should be ashamed by the time i am through with you, except you may not have any shame in you. first lets keep romans and each of what paul penned because its a complete distraction and almost always bogus, since he was neither a prophet or a companion of the prophet you are arguing for against Muhammad [as to both of them]. Was Jesus universal, when he said he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel? absolutely not since the house of israel was only 12 nations and that was his world in the "world does not know him, but you know him [you the disciples]". we know that the world included even at that time for than the 12 nations or tribes of Israel. I can see that you are very deceitful by simply writing "whole" and thinking that you will not be tasked about it. "whole" in this case means the whole of the nations of Israel. No non children of Israel nation is included, even their cousins the arab nations were not included. so you mr nigeria is completely out.

And to propose that Muhammad [sa] was for arabs and no one else shows that you need to read the Quran for the first time in your mother tongue. Muhammad [sa] invited Kings of Persia, Ethiopia, Rome, etc including far away empires to Islam by his dictated letters, copies still available in over 14 centuries, in the same that the written protection of the christian order is in plain view if you google them.

Quran: “And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a mercy to all the worlds.” 21:107

1. Established the correct Message of Islam (6:161-163) (39:11-12)
2. Preacher to all humanity (4:170) (25:1) (34:28)
3. He is Bashir and Nadhir (Bearer of glad tidings and a warner) (5:19)
4. Invites people to Islam (12:108)
5. Even the jinn respond to his call (46:29-31)
6. He brought the truth (17:81) (39:33)
7. He brought a new law (Shari’a) (7:157)
8. A perfect guide to be followed (7:158)
9. He calls you to that which gives you life (8:24)
10. Brings people from the darkness (of Ignorance) to the Light (of Islam) (65:11)
11. His religion prevails over all religion (48:28)

“The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.” 16:89
“We send down in the Quran healing and mercy for the believers. At the same time, it only increases the wickedness of the transgressors.” 17:82


[quoteEven if these people whom Allah chose to seal their hearts, did something wrong why he, instead of opening their hearts should seal them?[/quote]You look at the boulevard through a pinhole! You will not see much. You did not ask why Yahweh sealed the hearts of those who perished in the flood of Noah, the sodomites in the time of Prophet Lot, the Pharaoh and his company that drowned, the Israelite who made yahweh golden calf god, Goliath, etc and you think Allah will change when people made their bed lumpy, who do you think will lie on it or will say to them here is a well made bed for you? it does not work that way and you are a good example since you refuse guidance that we are offering you without anyone losing a limb, worse, a life. come on mr paris_love.

How dare you put the blame on me when many verses make it clear Allah seals peoples heart, blind them and make them deaf? Maybe you're right as this verse says “Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur'an, or are their hearts locked up by them?” (Q.47.24)

blame me for your hard heart while we are both on planet earth, where under the rock you may find some wetness, but your eyes never weep for The True God.

But the following verses assert that Allah misleads people by making their deeds pleasing to them. As to those who believe not in the Hereafter, We have made their deeds pleasing in their eyes; and so they wander about in distraction. [27:4] “Nay! to those who believe not, their
pretense seems pleasing, but they are kept back (thereby) from the path. And those whom Allah leaves to stray, no one can guide.” [13:33]" Yet, in other places it is Satan that makes their sinful act seem pleasing to them.

“..On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and SATAN made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them. [6:43]

Remember SATAN made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them, and said [8:48]

So who's misguiding people? The people by themselves or Satan or Allah?

those who feel no love for Allah will by themselves disregard the Guidance of Allah. They will follow the suggestion of satan. he will suggest more and lead them astray as the jackal will play with the baby animal so much so that the baby animals follows it away from the mother, where it is safe. Then the jackal then bits it to death. Allah created a comfort zone for you. but you decided you are wise and do you blame Allah for your handwork, wherein you became the best friend of satan who lead you astray and not satisfied until he sees the children of Adam in hell with him?

"Do ye desire to guide him whom Allah led astray? Whom Allah leads away, you will find no way for him." (4:88). "… Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth:. (74:31)
Why would Allah deliberately lead people astray instead of guiding them? And then punish them? Is this justice?

Allah allows you to make your own decision of spiritual destination. You see guidance you rejected it. you see falsehood, you followed it. Who is at fault but you? Allah then let you end up where you end up because you refuse guidance by not even cautioning yourself. You are a good example: I am sure many muslims have spoken to you, telling you that the latest and the last truth is what Muhammad brought and when you reject it, it means that you have rejected whatever truth Jesus brought but decide to be following Paul and the way of satan.

What would you say of a king that cuts the feet of his subjects and orders them to run and then burns them for not running. Wouldn't you say such a king is a psychopath? Would the almighty God act like a psychopath? Unless Allah doesn't give a fair trial there's no way am going to jail.

You are in the hard labor part of Kirikiri or is it Alcatraz? The reason you are heading there is that the King didn't cut your feet. Instead he fed you the best of food. But after you ate and drank enough, you think you are the King, eyeing his throne, even his beloved wife, while you are a poor slave who has been favored and not oppressed. If when your arrogance make you fall from the edge of the cliff, dont be surprised that the King didnt send a search party to find you, but instead allowing you to suffer the consequences of your being disloyal. Go to jail and stay there. There is no ever getting out for you.

^^^^ your saying so is similar to the jews saying that Jesus is not their messiah. both of you lied by ignoring the truth.

Frosbel doesn't belong in christianity, if he debunked trinity.
for sure in his debunking he has destroyed Jesus and or holy ghost or something else as truly God.

Jesus said "all these things I spake to you". I am sure his disciples heard him "spake".
when Jesus said the another comforter will speak, he must have meant that when he "speak"s the listeners/audience will hear him, just as he heard God.
And we know that God Speaks in Audible Voice. A proof of this is His Speaking to Moses [as] at the "Burning Bush".

How will ghost pass the "he shall speak" test when he doesn't have a voice and man with voice is gonna be said he can't be the speaking spirit, when spirit is synonymous to prophet in many a prophet have gone to the world; all of them are false except one since the test of knowing if one is a true prophet is whatever he says must come to pass, even though it may be opposing the verses of the Bible, since he as another comforter will teach all truth and lead people to all truth. If Jesus had led to all truth or taught to all truth, there was no point having an another comforter to do it all over again.

@nakash;

by nakash: 3:28pm On Sep 23
So why are more muslims dying than the kufr since 9/11 ?

because the non muslims are killing more muslims since 9/11.

That is if your prophet (lower case) preached peace which you and we all know by now that he excelled in violence against those who rejected him?

look at my entry above and transfer it to here; the non muslims who are killing more of the muslims are definitely doing the work of their leader because Muhammad [sa] did not say "oh non muslims, kill my followers, the muslims who are worshiper of the Almighty God".

@vedax Can you quote any saheeh islamic source to prove your claims that ? Or is this a story made up on the fly by muslims to justify why Muhammad advocated for murder.

some people asked the most ignorant questions. why did Moses run away from egypt except that he new he was going to be killed? the muslims after 1 years of suffering and death by the hands of the pagan makkans saw it fit to leave Makka and make Hijra to Madina. The time of leaving Makka, the assassins lined up the path of Muhammad [sa] ready to kill him, except that God protected him and prevented them. The battle of Badr being the first fight is where the prophet said "dont let this disbelievers defeat those who worship you God, because they will no one alive to worship you [something to this effect]" If you oppressed me for 13 years and even 2 years on top, is there an another cheek for me to turn?

I once saw a hadith that Muhammad danced on some dead victims body after someone murdered the poor soul for not believing that he was a prophet. Ill copy paste it here once I get it.

this hadith is what we call israliyat riwaya [narration of the israelite in their deception against truth [always a mixture of alot of lies with a possible small amount of truth]. Islam does not display such happiness in the demise of any soul, but rather be humbled to Allah Who is One that gave Victory. The aftermath of the victory of Badr and the defeat of Hood are proofs. In hood, after te muslims have been defeated the non muslims said we killed more of you, such and such and you muslims killed just few from us. The Messenger [sa] told Umar [ra] to tell the non muslims that "our death are in paradise". this is a profound evidence against your statement just as 1 God is an evidence against Trinity. further you will see that Muhammad [sa] by his statement says that muslims are in paradise already.

Faultless man indeed. Is it true that there was a Jew who lifted a muslim womans veil, causing the muslims to kill the Jew? From Islamic sources of course.

so i ask you, if someone were to pull down what covers the parts of you woman body that must remain covered, exposing all the family charms/jewels to the views of all. what will you do? will you laugh it off and how will your woman feel about your inaction?

@Paris_Love:

by Paris_Love: 5:17am
The bold part is my argument. Quran claimed Muhammad was sent to the whole mankind. But Allah has seal the heart of not only me but the whole of unbelievers and If Allah has put the seal upon the people’s hearts and warning or not warning them makes no difference, then what is the point of
sending Muhammad? Just a futile errand i must say

when Allah made the statement, there were already believers with Muhammad [sa]. Thats is the first premise that killed your poor lawyer-ing, you ambulance chaser. The second point is that Allah does not seal the heart of anyone, except the one who decided to follow misguidance, thereby refusing guidance. Muhammad [sa] was not the first prophet or the only prophet [as] to call people from misguidance [darkness] to guidance [Light]. Moses [as] did. Some egyptians even followed him, while your ancestors in misguidance mr. pharaoh remained in darkness, refusing and was arrogant about it, in similar manner you are practicing here. Allah allowed Jesus [as] to call lost sheep of the house of Israel to safety of faith in One God, Jesus being the prophet of that time, that period for that people that world which by wholesale refused guidance, except a few. Muhammad [sa] like every prophet started his ministry from his own home, his own family, his own people, his own tribe, his own town, the city of Makka, his own heritage the arabs and then inviting the whole world using the leadership of each of the world powers. Thats being the prophet for mankind. This has never been done before and no more prophet after the only universal prophet. This is why the universal prophet had to be sent after the miraculous prophet left.

What has Allah praising Muhammad and Christians(also curses them) got to do with the fact that he seal our heart and warning or not warning us makes no difference? I've got a good case on Allah on judgment day. There's no way he'll send me to hell given what's written in that verse. He sealed my, it ain't my faultwink

oh poor lawyer. you will be humiliated with such a lame excuse. First, you will see that Allah did not seal the heart of Abel, who Cain killed. Before then, you will see that Allah sealed the heart of satan because as iblis he refused to accept guidance from the moment Adam [as] was created. You will see that Allah did not seal the heart of Noah [aalolden ]. You will see that Allah sealed the heart of Numerod. You will see that Allah did not seal the heart of Moses, Aron [as]. You will see that Allah did seal the heart of those who made the golden calf. You will see that Allah did not seal the heart of Samuel [as]. You will see that Allah did seal the heart of Goliath. You will see that Allah did not seal the hearts of Zacharia, John, Jesus, Mary, Elizabeth the mother of John [as]. You will see that Allah did not seal the hearts of Muhammad [sa] and his companions [RA]. You will see there are muslims following Muhammad [sa] even today while you with your sealed heart refuse to follow Muhammad [sa]. Its you who allow the sealing of your heart to tae place. When you die, which is a must, you will see that it is completely sealed if you remain defiance to guidance. The fault is all yours because you have encountered on nl messengers of the Messenger [sa], giving you the message without addition or subtraction.

I just lawyered my way into heaven. Be happy for me. cheesy

i just destroyed your poor argument. you are a poor lawyer who should be disbarred for hiding evidence. Go to jail for a long time. And no club med for you. you should do hard labor.


@nakash:

by nakash: 9:41am
John 14:26

Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)

26 But the Holy Spirit is the one who will help you. My Father will send him in my name. He will teach you everything that I have said to you. His Helper will remind you of all that I said.

John 14:26

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 14:26

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

26 But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you

@sweetnecta : I think my english is quite good. Holy spirit=Holy ghost ≠ Holy Prophet.

i have heard the christians say that God is Spirit. is God also Ghost if Ghost is Spirit? playing with words without full analysis will betray your poor representation while the truth is somewhere else. Your Bibles say spirit is prophet, too in the believing the spirit if it is from or of God because such a spirit is a prophet who what he says come to pass, while false spirit [read it again; false spirit] will be false prophet who what he says will not always come to pass and you shouldn't fear such a false spirit, false prophet. Prophet is also a teacher, a warner, a leader. so your holy spirit equal to holy ghost but not equal to holy prophet is against your bibles while you turn God to ghost since you say He is a spirit, while you also argued that He sits on a Throne, which Jesus will have to sit on the right side of.

and as to the sender of the another comforter, the bibles are so confused. in one place Jesus is reported to have said God will send the another comforter. In another place Jesus is reported that he will send the another comforter. How can 2 different entities send the same another comforter when Jesus was sent by God, still leaving room for the ultimate errant entity the another comforter to finish once and for all what ever was started that Jesus did not finish? what is it that a ghost can teach human, mounting and overshadowing and overpowering when humans need guidance to be spoken out so that humans, believers can rush to guidance and be strong in faith and disbelievers can have it in their conscience that they have been warned and will have no excuse against God? what remembrance of Jesus will a ghost that has no speech bring to the disciples? where are the evidences? please show us what the ghost said, since it was to speak as a "he" in 8 places. I read that Jesus said "these things I have spoken to you. though the world [of the children of Israel that he was sent to] does not know him. You know him [because I told you enough about him}, he lives with you [as my word lives with you now], he will be in you [if he comes while you are alive, since i do not know what exact time he will come since i do not know the future events and now i am being called back].

@Nextpan:

by nextpart(m): 9:14pm On Sep 23
It is untrue that other prophets b4 Jesus were faultless. Moses killed an Egyptian, Elijah called down fire to kill, Elisha called out bears that killed children etc, etc. Because of the imperfections of all the prophets, Jesus had to come with his faultless message.

Give me the fault of John and his father Zacharias? Remember that Jesus called John the greatest prophet from the Israelite? Were there no people righteous before God? Can those people be not faultless, when they were righteous before God? How do you then make the claim faultless on anyone if you exclude those who God deem righteous? And somebody said Jesus killed his playmate as a child. Just saying. But it is true that he was rude to his mother and that is a big fault. You act and talk faultless and it is not good enough to just make the claim when people can see fault in you. Check your Bibles for details.

Muhammed that was born with flesh and blood,

Jesus was human and thats flesh and blood, son of man carries those.

who committed various atrocities,

what atrocities did John or his father committed?

sinful like any other sinners was not in a position to change the message of a faultless Jesus whom the Quran called '' the Word and Spirit of God.

What sins did John or his father committed? And as per Muhammad [sa] whosoever God commanded, if that person does not act on the command it is sinful. Was Moses sinful and committed atrocity when he drowned the Egyptians or when he let his people who made a god in golden calf died in the wilderness? Was it not God that commanded his actions? Same here with Muhammad [sa]. It is the Quran that say Jesus was faultless. Quran did not say those who will claim his message as their guidance will not be faultless or not corrupt the message and you can see that you do not have a single Bible good enough for all christians, definitely a sign of corruption of the books. Or all of the Bibles are pure or which one is pure and all christians can agree on it? I do not see a single textbook with so many versions used for students of a particular semester course work. Impossible.

@Nakash:

by nakash: 8:34pm On Sep 23
@sweetnecta You now killed and buried Islam completely. Muslims have been quoting 14:26 to argue that the comforter is muhammad. You have quoted " but the comforter who is the HOLY SPIRIT. And hence not your prophet!! All apologists use this verse but omit and change the part about the holy spirit. Infact yester Lagosshia even used the word Advocate instead of helper and argued out about comforter nonsense, a small argument rose over that. Thanks for proving islam wrong. THANKS.

You do forget that prophets, false prophets and true prophet are called "Spirits" by your Bibles. The bible logic therefore makes Holy Spirit which is the comforter, a spirit from God as the advocate from God, is not God but a holy prophet. Muhammad [sa] from the lips of each muslim, is the Holy Prophet [sa]. Your Bibles say "advocate, helper, comforter for my Holy Prophet, except his name [sa].


@Paris_Love:

by Paris_Love: 8:54pm On Sep 23
Simple question that deserves a simple answer.
The verse made it clear Jesus was faultless therefore his message would be faultless. Why send a man with many faults(Muhammad was a chronic sinner) correct a faultless message?? huh

"It is equal to them, whether you warn them or not, they will not believe. Allah has put the seal upon their hearts." (2:6-7]

Is this verse from the Quran in bold not talking about the disbelievers, the non muslims? Who has Allah put the seal upon their hearts so that they are not believers in Allah, but the non muslims? Paris_Love are you a muslim, so that this verse is not addressing, you talking about your heart as sealed?

The above verse renders futile the whole idea of prophethood(@ least Muhammad's). If Allah has put the seal upon the people’s hearts and warning or not warning them makes no difference, then what is the point of sending messengers? It simply does not make sense that a wise God seal the hearts of the people and send messengers to guide them knowing that they will not be guided thanks to his little operation on their hearts. tongue

The Quran of Allah praises Muhammad [sa] who is the Messenger of Allah, the companions [ra] of Muhammad and chose Islam as the religion from Allah. How is it that you can not see this and thinks that Quran is praising the christians, not the jews or other and not even the muslims? Where is logic in your statement? Does the Gospel blame the christians while praising the jews, hindus, etc and the muslims? if this is so, why are you a christian? I am a muslim for many reason including the fact that Quran praises Islam, Muhammad [as] and Muslims following Muhammad [sa] in worshiping God Almighty Allah.

It just doesn't add up. angry

I am angry at your proposal.

@Nextpart:

by nextpart(m): 11:25am
Sura 19:19:

''He said: I am only a messanger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son''.

The above was a message from the angel to virgin Mary. The faultless son is Jesus.

pure or faultless son does not mean that the keeper of his revelations after him are not corrupt and made a good message to a bag of truth laced up with faulty ideas. we see paul or somebody else becoming a disciple, while we see from the original disciples, we have a person worthy of treacherous action betraying his master. did i mention the rock who ran away or no one was a believer enough to stand supporting the master during the hanging? these are the type of keepers of the message. one will concede that such a group is the opposite the master who led it: he was pure, with pure message. they were people of ill fitted knowledge and unsteady faith in him that they sealed his fate to hanging and corrupted his message by being led by a latter day paul who was a killer from before.

If Jesus was faultless, his message was faultless. Since his message was faultless, there was no need for another message or messanger to change it. You don't correct what is correct.

was the message of Moses faultless, the man that was reported by the Bibles that he saw God face to Face? yet after him, we have the psalm of David, the man who killed goliath, psalm is what the christians read to ward off evil. even after this powerful psalm, according to the christians, the gospel of Jesus who was fatherless was sent. i will like a direct answer why the message of Moses was not the last? was it not pure and what were the impurity in it, considering that the jews swear by it, even today while they reject they message of Jesus? why do you think that the jews reject the message of Jesus? After all the jews were his people and he was sent to them and no other people? if the jews deem the message of Moses as the pure message, why do think that they are wrong in this opinion of theirs?

I submit to you that the message of Jesus was pure just the message of Moses was when each was here to guard his message and when Jesus arrived he was preaching the return to the pure message of Moses because the message of Moses was already corrupted. the condition of corruption entered the message of Jesus prior to Muhammad [sa] getting here and preached people coming to it because it is all in the Quran.

A confusion was created by sending Prophet Muhammad to change a faultless, perfect message from a faultless man.

would you say that a confusion was created by sending prophet Jesus to change the faultless message of God given to Moses?

Who could be behind this confusion? God or Satan? I am sure it could not be God because His is not an author of confusion.

Who is behind the changing [confusion] of the message of Moses? This will be your first huddle. Then it will lead you to what happened to the message of Jesus so that the message of Muhammad took over as {Final and faultless message] preserved message of God for all mankind.

audience? creations. but we will stick with the audience pull that has "will" to submit or refuse to do so [human and jinn].
the Speak Who is addressing all, the audiences is Allah alone.

among the believers: prophets [sa], followers of prophets, and the community at large as in yaa ahy annas. the jinns are also addressed
the disbelievers are humans and jinns; the leadership and the followers, all of them disobedient folks.

when you bella3 dont pray or fast like the bible prophets, somebody needs to remind you.
that should be a mouthful; alot.

@doncarlos:

by doncarlos: 3:04pm
No verse in the bible teaches us violence. We don't fight for christ. Bible says vengeance belong to the lord. We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principality and power.

christ didn't fight for himself, just like Moses didnt fight for himself during the time he was in front of pharaoh as a prophet of God, just as Muhammad [sa] didnt fight for himself in Makka. Although Jesus of the bibles ordered that his disciples sold their possessions to buy swords, not food to feed themselves, not any thing else. He ordered that they stand guarding the party all night long, even though at his returning from prayer ground, he saw them fast asleep. Tell me who will order such a lazy bunch to fight a mob bent on taking pounds and pounds of flesh and blood? You can now see why he said to the one who was trying to be a sword expert, cutting the ear of a member of an angry mob that 'you will die by sword'. i can not imagine that the ear is what somebody will aim for, unless he is bad at using sword or just showing of that he can severe such an unnecessary organ and taking the life will be easy for hi with the sword.


www.guidetosalvation.com/Website/violent_verses.htm

Romans 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

this bold, will need explanation from people who say bibles do not ask that they commit violence.


this is another one listing even nt verses advocating violence: skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

i wonder how people who disbelief in 1 God, even so much so that the jews who are disbelievers themselves can call muslims people of false community? do they not pay attention to the fact that many a christian empires have failed; romans, the greeks, the spaniards, the third reich? martin luthers' homeland is the faderland of the third reich.

dont people use their senses?

@Usisky: As sSalaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.

Allah says do not raise your voice over the voice of the messenger [sa]. Please tell me the meaning of this verse, in the light of Allah saying that take whatever the messenger permits you and abstains from what he disallowed from you, when you consider that Allah says that it is not becoming of a believer that he must have an opinion on a matter that Allah and His Messenger have decided. We know that the messenger is not here physically with us, so what is the meaning of "do not raise your voice over the voice of the messenger [sa]"?


Tell me what is the voice of the Messenger [sa], today, since Quran is the Word [Voice if you will] of Allah? Or do you think the voice of the Messenger [sa] is non existing, today? I wonder if you make Ahdan and Iqamah and say "Ashhadu annaMuhammadanr rRasulullah"?

We can blame the muslims, especially the ones who are expressing their disagreements by violence and even those in authority to educate them against it, but not doing so. However we must not excuse the ones who are not muslims, but always start up the hostility by insulting, and false statement against what the muslims hold dearer than life itself.

It is easier for you to insult your own mother, wife, , husband, etc. Thats your own possession and your rights to disrespect yourself. You have no right to do the same to me, thinking that I will not be unhappy.

When you insult what I hold dearer than me, you at least unleashed my dislike of you. The least I can do is to let you know that you are wrong. I know what I like and you have no right to choose my morality and my emotion for me. Even dick cheney with his heart condition as a vp swore at senator patrick leighey of vermont in the hall of congress.

@Toba: ^^^^^ did Lagosshia insulted you for nothing?
No, sir. You said more than "your mama" to him and everyone of us.

You insulted and maligned the one we all love most among mankind, the one who let us love Jesus like we love him [as to each].
When you insulted him, you have insulted Jesus who is his brother from Ibrahim [as], his brother in faith in God, His Prophets [as].

Big shame on you, toba. You lack sincerity in sensitivity and all you go for are skirt and blouse. You need to find them in the christian isle.
There is no app for that here that will fit you.

i dont think every aspect of culture is bad. some aspects of culture fit into Islamic culture because it is good and not against Islam. Every act that is not act of worship is permissible unless forbidden, and every act that is act of worship is forbidden unless permissible.

Aso ebi is not bad if it is affordable and covers what should be concealed. Mahr is according to agreement of spouses, primarily and just that. A medical doctor should not be asking for Mansion and Bugatti and Hermin Birkins from a poor doctor, but from wealthy spouse who can afford it.

The "miusik, dansi", and unnecessary singing and praising of person are to be thrown out. What is Islam is clear and what is not and doubtful should be avoided. The yorubas like all other cultures, including the arabs are just as guilty.

But whose marriage is next among you guys or are we just going to talk one another out? [b][/b]

by jcross19: 6:13pm

justaqad:

and it hasn't worked for millions of christians too.....
I rather be a slave of the Almighty than son of a mere mortal..
i love you too

that it's what you are a slave to allah right ....allah my foot
since i have being asking this question no muslim has ever give me a reasonable answer maybe you can try.. this is question.jibrIL mean gabriEL, injirIL mean gospEL the word IL of arabian is thesame meaning to EL of hebrew which mean God , please can you tell me the differences between illah and allah don't tell me that al-illah is the same with allah i have the digging and the artifact the support my claim here oh .

JibrIL, InjIL, are arabic words to mean for a named malaika and a named revelation when it was authentic, freshly revealed to a prophet of God. However in English language, the same Malaika is now Angel GabriEL, and same revelation is now GospEL respectively. though corresponding words, but the EL in English word Gabriel and Gospel are fraud because IsraEl and IshmaEl are words in human names in hebrew while Jacob is english, and there is no word in English for Hebrew IshmaEL, no hebrew words in english Gabriel and GospEl. And hebrew word and english word cant be the same, since Jacob is a different word from Israel and God is Yahweh.

Look jcross19, Allah is the One that just helped me answer your question of deception, where you are passing English words [GabriEl, GospEL] for Hebrew. Hebrew is semitic, just lie Arabic and other semitic languages. English on the other hand is not a semitic language and you cant pass their words up as semitic. Thats fraud.

By the way has anyone noticed that Yahweh or Jehovah does not contain the famous "EL"? But you will find "El" in "Ellah" that Jesus called on and its derivatives.

Arabic Il is not the same as El of the hebrew, otherwise your fraudulent game about "illah" would have simply be "il". If you can proof me wrong, tell me what is the meaning of arabic "il", illah", "IL", ILLAH" and "ALLAH" each in Hebrew first and then English?

To your question about "illah" and "allah", one is god and the other is the god. I have answered your question.

Now here are my questions to you and you must answer it just as i honestly answered your question, above:

1]. What is the name of Angel Gabriel in Hebrew and if you think this is Hebrew, what is it in English?
2]. What is the name of Gospel in Hebrew and if you think this is Hebrew, what is it in English?

3]. What is the name of Ishmael in English and if you think this is English what is it in Hebrew?
4]. Can you tell me the difference between "ILLAH" and "ALLAH" or "Illah" and "Allah" [your choice]?
5]. Can you tell me the differences between "yahweh" and "Yahweh"?
6]. Whats the name of god/God the holy/Holy ghost/Ghost or spirit/Spirit if god/God the son/Son is Jesus, the christ/Christ and God the father is Yahweh/Jehovah? I need full explanation in each case.

Thanks.

i bet each of the world wars spearheaded by christians, even nigerian war headed by christian dont count of aggressions?

Hey someone needs to turn the other cheek like Bush senior or junior or another christian leader who can stop himself from fighting a war, even so start the war, bush style of preemptive strike.

Through in John Ashcroft, Donald Rumfeld, Dick Cheney for good measure.

I have learnt not to always respond to the Israliyat riwaya of hadith [the story and event of islam from the lips of the jews or madina and their allies from later generations].

Not all sahih hadith is truly hadith, clearly when the evidence showing so by its disagreement with the Quran. No book is perfect, after The Perfect Quran. No writer is perfect after what Allah revealed Perfectly in the Quran and Authentic Hadith of His Messenger [sa].

When people lie against Muhammad [sa], one needs to go to Quran to see the truth. Allah says of him; Your role is to deliver the Message. They are judged by what Allah revealed to the messenger [sa]. I believe that every normal mind will realize that if Muhammad [sa] was vindictive, there would not have remained a single disbeliever in Madina, Taif, Makka and even Yemen, to name a few.

The followers of Muhammad [sa], Ali [Ra] found good example in him so much that he left the man who spat in his face, even though he was about to kill him, just before. Ali [Ra] did not make it a think of personal revenge because he never saw Muhammad [sa] make anything of personal revenge.

Umar [RA] did not sack Jarusalem as it was sacked many times by the earlier conquerors, christians and non christians alike. We we have not regreted what our forebears in Islam did in time of conflicts against evil and disbelieving people.


Muhammad [sa] quality has made this yoruba muslim a better man. I can emulate each and every aspect of his life. Its the best of human and easily digestible.

@Frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 9:27am

proo212: @Tintingz, you said to show you in the bible where Jesus said He was the Son of God. I showed you and you've run away from that to a different argument entirely. Do you now admit He said it?

Are you still arguing with these blinded Muhammedians ? grin

There is nothing called Muhammedians, you, you ". . ." in Islamic religion, just like there is nothing called Yoruba in western nigerian people. you are even more deluded when you say muhammedian instead of muslims compared to the delusion being sured by the people who say Yoruba instead of yoruba.

@proo212: you could have been right if man, the father of Jesus in his declaration as "son of man" is God or God is man in Jesus question "son of God?", the question you seem to be parading as real evidence of Mary being overshadowed and came upon by Yahweh instead of the nameless holy ghost/spirit.

Guys, is Jesus son of man or son of God, or both or neither since God can not be man and man can not be God and Jesus should not be lying unless somebody is lying and pinning it on Jesus? Frosbel, over to you, below.

by frosbel(m): 9:31am
I was chatting with a Muslim at work yesterday , once he realised that I believed in one GOD , he was confused

The muslim guy is a smart man who as a gentleman realized your folly and bag of lying on God. He knew you were lying but did not want to say so directly. How is it that you believe in One Yahweh, when you also believe that Jesus is also Yahweh, Holy Ghost is also Yahweh and Yahweh is Yahweh, unless 3 Yahwehs are 1 Yahweh? Do you know anywhere I can get computers and say to the shopkeeper, this is one computer and he will not scratch his head, looking confused like the muslim gentleman in your office story?

and so he shifted to the topic of Jesus Christ and the comforter.

You should appreciate his candor because he did not want make a foo.l of you since both of you realize that 3 can never be 1. I am looking for a man who will work for me for 3 years and i pay him for 1 year. Are you game in the same way that your Yahwehs are 1 Yahweh?

You know the usual nonsense that they keep regurgitating, Muhammad he said was that comforter.

Here is what Quran says and you can correspond it to what the Bible says:

as-saf 61/6; And [this happened, too,] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O children of Israel! Behold, I am an apostle of God unto you, [sent] to confirm the truth of whatever there still remains of the Torah, and to give [you] the glad tiding of an apostle who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he [whose coming Jesus had foretold] came unto them with all evidence of the truth, they said: "This [alleged message of his] is [nothing but] spellbinding eloquence!"

.

You can see how similar to

John 16/7: But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

Duties of Muhammad [sa] in the Quran:

The name Muhammad means "Praiseworthy" and occurs four times in the Quran.[23] The Quran addresses Muhammad in the second person not by his name but by the appellations prophet, messenger, servant of God ('abd), announcer (bashir)[Quran 2:119], witness (shahid),[Quran 33:45] bearer of good tidings (mubashshir), warner (nathir),[Quran 11:2] reminder (mudhakkir),[Quran 88:21] one who calls [unto God] (dā‘ī),[Quran 12:108] light personified (noor)[Quran 05:15], and the light-giving lamp (siraj munir)[Quran 73:1]. Muhammad is sometimes addressed by designations deriving from his state at the time of the address: thus he is referred to as the enwrapped (al-muzzammil) in Quran 73:1 and the shrouded (al-muddaththir) in Quran 74:1.[24] In the Quran, believers are not to distinguish between the messengers of God and are to believe in all of them (Sura Al-Baqara 2:285). God has caused some messengers to excel above others 2:253 and in Sura Al-Ahzab 33:40 He singles out Muhammad as the "Seal of the Prophets".[25] The Quran also refers to Muhammad as Aḥmad "more praiseworthy"
(Arabic: أحمد‎, Sura As-Saff 61:6).
surah taubah verse 128: Surely, there has come to you a Messenger from amongst you, hard on whom is your suffering, for the good of you he craves and for believers he is kind, merciful. [128]
Whatever Allah has restored to His (Prophetic) Messenger from the people of the towns, it is for Allah and for the (Prophetic) Messenger, and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarers, so that it may not (merely) circulate between the wealthy among you, and whatever the (Prophetic) Messenger gives you, take it and whatever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and be in reverential awe of Allah; surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil). (59:7)
And the believing (Muslim) men and the believing (Muslim) women are protecting friends one of another; they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, and they establish regular Prayer and they give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and they obey Allah and His (Prophetic) Messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Undoubtedly, Allah is Mighty, Wise. (9:71)


www.iqra.net/...muhammad1/believe-honour-love-respect-and-obey-...

. . . And he who obeys Allah and His (Prophetic) Messenger, and has reverential awe of Allah, and keeps his duty (to Him): then these it is that are the successful. (24:52)

Say (O Beloved Prophet): “Obey Allah and obey the (Prophetic) Messenger. But if you turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and you for that placed on you, and if you obey him, you will be rightly guided. And the responsibility of the (Prophetic) Messenger is only to convey (the Message) clearly. (24:54)

And establish regular Prayer and give the obligatory charity (Zakat) and obey the (Prophetic) Messenger, so that mercy may be shown to you (from Allah). (24:56)

O you who believe! Have reverential awe of Allah and speak the right word.
He (Allah) will set right your deeds for you and will forgive you your sins, and whosoever obeys Allah and His (Prophetic) Messenger, he has indeed gained a mighty success. (33:70-71). . .

and what is from the Bible below are similar, talking about the comforter, an entity waiting for The Speech of God, hearing it and as a trustworthy messenger servant repeating it to man, so that he and man can follow it. . .

John 16/13; New International Version (©1984)
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

JOHN 14:15-17: "If you love me you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him for he lives with you and will be in you."

JOHN 14:25, 26: "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

JOHN 15:26: "When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me."

JOHN 16:7,8: "But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment...."

JOHN 16:13-15: "But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it know to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you."

we can clearly see that the Biblical Jesus is telling his followers that if the spirit of truth arrives when they are alive, possibility is that they may have fallen to errors by the hand of newcomer[s] {Paul}, then they will be corrected [what is the correction to be sure that the holy ghost at pentecost is the Another comforter?}. The another comforter will lead them more than how far Jesus led before he left [does anyone know how further the ghostly spirit led the disciples so that we can pass him for another comforter?]. The another comforter will wait to hear what God says and then repeat it simply as clear and as straightforward to man without any addition or subtraction [can anyone tell us what the ghostly spirit so that we can accept him as the another comforter, even if we ignore its ability to speak, we must remember that the christian calls it Yahweh, too? How can Yahweh wait like a servant to hear what Yahweh The God says so that the messenger Yahweh can now tell man? You see why the muslim coworker of your was confused by your straight face deceit?]. we can analyze this further.

Anyways , to cut the long story short, I interrupted him and laid down the gospel not allowing for further arguements.

which gospel: Gospel according to Jesus, Gospel about Jesus according to John, according to Mark, according to Luke or according to Matthew? Which of the Gospel did God send Jesus with to deliver to the children of Israel so that the lost sheep of the house of Israel can become his flock?

The days of alowing them talk about the same old nonsense is over , time is short, It's Jesus or forget it.

Dey dere. Continue to deceive us. We already know who you are working for; satan who was housed by Simon Petro [rock now peter]. Paul, Saul now Paul who is yanking your chain. You are a good representation of your father the deceitful satan, the liar and killer from before {read your Bible. I got this description of you from it}. Get back from me, satan who lived in Peter.

@Toba: Yes. You are lying. Sorry. You force my hand. Not marrying outside your religion is not extremism.
why would a believing woman have a disbeliever as "her glory" using christian lingo?

what about your comment about the prophet [sa]? I am sure you are swallowing every now..

and you are not even a muslim or muslim single.

^^^ and you find it acceptable that Ibrahim [as] left the far away iraq to jerualem, but cant make the 1K miles to Makka.
you find it acceptable that he even visited egypt.
you find it acceptable that jacob wrestled and defeated Yahweh and all of you people who believed jacob's superior wrestling skill to defeat the unbeatable. except that time.
you find it
you find it acceptable that Yahweh protected the wife of Abraham from the hands of pharaoh, but threw his son out.
you find it acceptable that jacob held the heel of his brother esau as they were being delivered.
you find it acceptable the the mother of jacob hated her own son esau.
you find it acceptable that Yahweh sent the holy spirit to overshadow and come with power upon mary so that jesus can be born.
you find it acceptable that Yahweh must have a son sired by not Him, but holy shost.
you find it acceptable that this Yahweh had this son so that the son can be delivered and Yahweh allow him to be hung to die.
you find it acceptable that Yahweh sacrificed His only begotten son to Himself or to someone else or to nobody for you salvation.


Yet you will argue here that all of the above make sense, without battling an eye.
But you will not reflect that the Best Friend of God must love his first son who he circumcised and Yahweh Who named the child will not care for father and son relationship enough to wanna keep them together, but must tell the father to drop him and dont remember him like a bad habit.

Is that the last the best you will expect God Who is Most Merciful and Love Dearly all His creation forcing His Best Friend to abandon the son that made him a father, the son he could not get out of his heart till death took him? Is it impossible for Ibrahim to arrive in Makka if Jesus can be lifted body and soul, alive from earth to heaven, Elijah carried away to heaven in whirlwind or chariot of fire, Adam being created from dust and Eve from a piece of his rib? The son who buried him? You are fighting a losing battle.

Here is what Allah The Almighty did: He did not have a son or asked anything to take advantage of a young woman who is not his wife that he must overshadow and come upon her to produce a baby. Allah will not be unjust to anyone and particularly His Best Friend affecting his heart, especially disconnecting him from his son or killing innocent person so that a whole lotta guilty and ungrateful people will be alive. A thousand mile is a stone throw considering that Allah made Jibril [as] arrive on earth to deliver revelations to prophets [as].

@obadiah777:

by obadiah777: 2:22pm

Networkmaster: I have been wondering and pondering on these questions and i hope someone will help me out here.
1. Is Jesus and Mohamed the descendant of Abraham? if so, why the different religion and teaching?
2. Where was Jesus when Mohamed was on earth? or where was Mohamed when Jesus was on earth? in-fact, who came first on earth?
If they both claim to be the Messiah or prophet i wonder why one of them didn't take over the whole world?

Please, could someone help clarify this questions, because i can't just understand certain things.
I keep thinking about this because i strongly believe if the world had just one religion the world would have been a better place to live.


1- YES JESUS AND MOHAMMED ARE BOTH SHEMETIC DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM. JESUS IS SHEMETIC ISRAELITE FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH AND MOHAMMED IS SHEMETIC ISHMAELITE

2-MOHAMMED WAS ON EARTH LONG AFTER JESUS. JESUS WAS ON EARTH AT THE DAWN OF THE AD ERA WHILE MOHAMMED WAS LIKE 600 TO 700 YEARS AFTER THAT. JESUS CAME FIRST. MOHAMMED IS NOT THE MESSIAH.

570 years after is much earlier than 700 years after and no one says the title of Muhammad [sa] is Massiah.

Although, the title is not exclusive to Jesus, alone and indeed all messengers of God are anointed by Him, anointed being the meaning of massiah [wipe]. Ibrahim [as] is Friend of God, so are all Messengers [as]. Moses [as] was speech as spoken to by God, so are all messengers [as]. Noah [as] had his prayers against disbelief and disbelievers answered, so are all the messengers [as]. Muhammad [sa] is the last of Messengers and prophets, no one will come anew after him [as].

ISLAM IS A DELUSIONAL CATEGORY THAT GOD PLACES SPIRITUALLY DEAD PEOPLE IN.

Impossible unless you have proofs. Islam is the religion of Noah our second common father, Adam [as] who was also a muslim being the first. No group of faith follows the pattern of Ibrahim [as] the father of faith, except the muslim. The process of worship of God by Jesus, in devotion, standing, bowing, prostrating and hoping and trusting and longing for Him Alone is practiced today by sincere Muslims. How can Islam be spiritually be dead?

ISAIAH 66 VS 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

Thats addressing you and the jews. You device and develop new religion that Jesus has nothing to do with it. Yet you attach it to him. This is fraud against Jesus. The jews developed and device a different religion that Moses had nothing to do with, there is no praying to a cracked wall with prayer papers stuffed into it by Moses. Jesus didnt do that and declared that he was following the foot steps of previous prophets. Each prophet prostrated his face on the ground to God, exactly how the muslims are doing today.

@Reyginus:

by Reyginus(m): 9:06pm On Sep 16

Sweetnecta: ^^^ 4 posts, one after another. in all, you have said nothing.
debunk if you can. you will have to provide proofs of your 'debunking".


is Allah the moongod? He said no in a clear and direct verse above: you dont worship the moon.


You worship Allah, the God all, including man, angels, etc an yes the moon and sun and stars.

Aha! Finally a brave man has risen to the challenge.
Btw, am not here to attack nor debunk, but to pose a straight-forward question,and if necessary attack. My question is, what's the significance of the moon in the observance of sallah?

Salah are two:
1]. The type the 5 daily salat fit in: This includes the obligatory and recommended and the night and day voluntary and the two festivals and even the celestral types. You make ablution, you enter salah and you observe all that are required of it; recitation of Surah Fatiha, part of Quran after it, bowing and prostration, etc then teslim out to end the salah.

2]. Allah says in Surah Azhab of the second type of salah which is different from the above. There is none of its parts that truly necessary in this 2nd salah. This salah is for Muhammad [sa]. Below is the explanation of this salah, really as salaatul Alla Nabiy Muhammad [sa]


Quran 33 verse 43; It is He who confers blessing upon you, and His angels [ask Him to do so] that He may bring you out from darknesses into the light. And ever is He, to the believers, Merciful.

verse 56: Indeed, Allah confers (1)blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [ Allah to confer] (2)blessing upon him and ask [ Allah to grant him] (3)peace.[/quote]In the first verse above, Sally was used. In the second verse, sally was used in (1), salah was used in (2) and taslim was used in (3).

Now notice that in verse 43, Allah says He conferred Sally upon the Messenger [sa], and His Angels supplicates Him to confer Blessing from Him on the Messenger [sa] being a desire of the Angels for the Messenger [as], who Allah has make darkness of faith forbidden but will remain in Light of Guidance.

And in verse 56, Allah tells believers that if they want a way of success for themselves, they can achieve it by wishing Blessing of Allah and Peace from Him on the Messenger [sa] because the believers will be doing what Allah has already guaranteed. Obedience to Allah is worship. In each of the two verses no type of the first salah can be drawn. It is very clear to us and Allah knows Best.


Now, to your question of the moon and salah, you can see clearly that the 2nd type of salah does not relate to the moon. In the first type of salah, the daily salat made night and day will not depend on the moon, exclusively or the sun exclusively, but daylight and darkness of night exclusively because each is in a specific time. In view of all of these, moon is an indicator of the length of the month: new moon or birth of the moon signifies the beginning of the new month. Examples, the fasting month which is the 9th month and the month of hajj which is the 12th month in a 12 months of the year. Hajj is the 1st to the 10th day of this 12th month.

Other value of moon concerning the phase are the 3 days of full moon, being 13th to 15t nights, wherein night ushers in the start of a new day. The dying moon is telling us that in few days there will be a new moon born a new moon shall begin by it. We do not need the Gregorian calendar to know when there is ramadhan or hajj. The birth of the moon is a guide by the Mercy of Allah. I know my Islamic date of birth, approximately.

Moon for all people lite the night sky and you can at least do some city strolling by it.

@Toba: You will have to explain your badmouthing Qurana and the messenger [sa] in the other thread, in the mist of your christian comrades, yesterday. Didn't I say your lack of self control around muslim women shall be my weapon of choice? Well start clarifying the issue of how the extremists get their extremism from Quran and the life and time of the prophet [sa], your statement almost the exact sentence construction.

@Sirheed89:

by Sirheed89(m): 5:32am
Salamalaikum W.W, plz i wana knw what Islam says about
1:COURTSHIP?

courtship should not be almost forever and be as long as the last hurdle that ends it and no being alone together of the future spouses without a guardian of the future wife or another person that can play the part. You do not want shaytan to ignite the flame of which the spark is always ready to emerge in an instant.

2: as i read frm prev post by our bro n sist up here, bowing or prostrating to any MAN is haram, shld be done fr Allah S.W.T alone, bu i read that Allah told the Angels to bow to Adam n dt wen shaitan disobeyed, cn i get more light please.

every worship is haram except what Allah permits. Every action is permitted except what Allah makes disallowed. Commandment of Allah is worship of Allah. When He commanded the angels to bow to Adam, that was a worship of Allah by all the angels who normally obey Allah. they did not worship Adam, but obeyed Allah, just like when Israel [Jacob as] and his family prostrated to Yusuf [Joseph as] was not worship of Yusuf but a fulfillment of the dream of a prophet [as], a form of revelation [dream of prophets are revelation]. If you noticed, all the dreams interpreted by Joseph came true, so was his dream, the dream of our spiritual father Ibrahim [as].

@All: we should show our older folks from the Quran that prostration and bowing is for Allah and they should be satisfied with salaam and humble way of speech, if they are true to Islam as they say. I will not allow anyone to bow or prostrate to me. To me it is forbidden and i do not give it. Thank God, no one demands it, including those who are not muslims. If i were to marry a wife, I will let her parents know before I meet them prior to the nikkah that if prostration and bowing are not exclusively the Right of Allah, i would have gladly give them the dues. This very simple statement protects me from anyone ever raising an eyebrow.

and as to open affection between newly wed, like kissing as you may kiss your "spouse" of the christians, that is not part of Islam. It is not even a mandate that both potential spouses be at the wedding ceremony, so how come do we get into the kissing as if it is a cornerstone of Islamic wedding ceremony? Is the wearing of the "wedding band" part of it too? Any potential spouse should set the agenda of the marital ceremony, as he and she are truly the signatories of the marriage contract.


Allah knows Best.

@Toba:

by toba: 6:44pm

and those few extremists got their extremism from the quran, especially from the life and times of the prophet. not so? lipsrsealed

You may have to explain the bold here or i shall remind you in front of the crew in the muslim section. I will like you to tell us the extremism in Quran and especially from the life and time of the noble messenger [sa]. Your ideas remind me of those who will argue that crusade, spanish inquisition, the pogrom and others and the actions of 3rd reich is from christianity. did i mention segregations in americas, european oppressions of the brown people and apartheid of south africa?

@plappville: Quran is not telling anyone to start hostility or extends it. Quran does not tell anyone to disrespect the God of others or their books. If you find anything that anyone can draw inspiration to do either, show it. Anyways. How are the kids?


@Seyibrown: Howdy? I have a thread on the holy spirit as the another comforter. How he could speak to humans so that he corrected their mistakes, glorify Jesus, etc, in front of the disciples. You can help answer this very simple question since no one will address the issue clearly.


@All: The "cleric" is not representing anyone but his clique of misfits. It is not permissible to tear the religious book of anyone because they may retaliate and tear yours even further. The arabs do not represent Islam for me. Islam represents itself; Quran and Sunnan/Hadith.