frosbel is lost; Jesus is Yahweh of OT to him.
Jesus is former comforter and another comforter to him.
Jesus is not human messenger prophet of God to him. Though God has always sent like to like, kind to kind [human to human in this case.

Each thing that Jesus said he was, Frosbel by order of Paul says Jesus is not.
So Jesus is not powerless and can only act according to Permission of God.
Jesus is not a worshiper of God like the muslims do today, putting his face down, etc.
Jesus was not sent by Ellah even though he cried out Ellah and not Yahweh or Jehovah so much loudly that the people thought he said Elias.

Frosbel, madam and the boys need to send you back to the closet. You remember the closet?

@Bella3:

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Re: Christians, Why Is Christianity Better For Me Than Islam? by Reyginus(m): 5:47pm On Sep 10

fellis:
The original message by Paul in his letters was not 'avoid sex before marriage', it was 'avoid the p.rostitutes and who.res in your town'. This was what I wanted to point out so why are you getting worked up?

Lololol. Ma'am what's immorality?

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Re: Christians, Why Is Christianity Better For Me Than Islam? by Bélla3(f): 5:48pm On Sep 10

fellis:
The original message by Paul in his letters was not 'avoid sex before marriage', it was 'avoid the p.rostitutes and who.res in your town'. This was what I wanted to point out so why are you getting worked up?

an according to paul and early christains, every girl that sleeps with a man before marriage is a whor.e.

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Reyginus: Lololol. Ma'am what's immorality?

Lololol, Reyginus, why don't you find out for yourself?

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Re: Christians, Why Is Christianity Better For Me Than Islam? by fellis(f): 5:51pm On Sep 10

Bélla3: an according to paul and early christains, every girl that sleeps with a man before marriage is a whor.e.

Did he say they should not commit fornication?

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Re: Christians, Why Is Christianity Better For Me Than Islam? by Reyginus(m): 5:55pm On Sep 10

fellis: Lololol, Reyginus, why don't you find out for yourself?

lol. You are quite a character.
I believe you've seen the error in your post.

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Re: Christians, Why Is Christianity Better For Me Than Islam? by Bélla3(f): 5:56pm On Sep 10

fellis:
Did he say they should not commit fornication?

yes!

sisi maybe from your answers in posts in bold, the another comforter may actually be Paul. no?

The Word of God is Spoken. Now written down as Quran.

I am your Creator God Who is your Cherisher. There is no God but Me, Alone and all worship belong to me.

You will worship Me as I instruct and no other way is acceptable.

Depend on Me by calling on Me as I Am the Only One Who can make way for you and all, all at the same time, always and individually.


There is reward from Me if you obey. There is consequence if you disobey.

Your destination is as per My Will. But I will not oppress you or be Unjust with you.

My Mercy is always available and if is free.

this is the poorest of faith in Islam; running to a pastor is the antithesis of Islamic faith, coupled with you inviting evil into your life by etching or sketching or carving image of anyone or animal on your property.

evil will find the resting place of evil..


and those ignorant people shouting Allahu Akbar as if something good happened should relearn al aqeedah all over. the advise they should have given to the owner of a 'shrine', an evil venture to remove face of person from his property, etc and trust Allah, Alone, they are not doing. instead they are propagating evil, spreading it as if it is the butter/spread that muslims need on "bread" of faith that they must munch on.


May Allah steer our hearts completely into Islam.

@Bella3: Whats Sweetnecta 2:1?

You asked me to show you from your Bibles "another comforter". I have, above.
So whats the problem, sister and why is Sweetnecta 2:1? What does it mean?


or you are now joking with me, though I am not amused? You are not basket mouth at all.


Abeg, step aide. 9ja: dress! Okay; move.

@Paris love:

by Paris Love(m): 2:38am

LagosShia:

Those people deified Imam Ali (as) and were thus undermining the very basis of Islam and the state:tawheed. they were changing the religion and the religion doesn't belong to them. that in itself is false testimony inspite of the fact that Imam Ali (as) never claimed to be a "god".that also amount to treason because Imam Ali (as) was the caliph and the head of state and they were not only disobeying him but making and spreading false charges against him while he was yet alive.


So they were killed for changing religion after Muhammad died. They were killed For apostacy. Apostacy is a treason for you guys ain't it?

What did Yahweh [Jesus still in heaven then, you christians claim] did when they built the golden calf? Yahweh killed them and those who were not killed were wasted in the wllderness within 40 years. 40 years is 2 generations, today. they were released by Yahweh from this deadly grip only when the new crops grew old enough without the evil doers of old.

Imam Ali [ra] was correct to act using the action of Moses, the man Yahweh spoke to "face to Face" according to you, even claiming that he saw Yahweh's back or neck. If Yahweh as Jesus in heaven killed those people through Moses, you will not expect a believer of the God of Jesus, Ellah/Allah to not kill those who are making him into "golden calf".


@Nakash:

by nakash: 4:47am
In this case the court determined that he was born to a muslim father and hence he was a muslim , never mind that throughout his life he never practiced islam. Lagosshia in another thread today you said Iran practices Islam correctly. We can now see what you support Death to apostates. believe me you will not convince anyone here about the mercies of Islam.

You could have said not practicing Islam on his own in his adult life, because he must have practiced it as a little baby, a child, still depending on parents. My children used to make ablution and prayers with me as children. Its natural for human to wanna prostrate. Apostasy that is not violent against Islam does not have violence against it. Allah gives allowance for people to leave and return to Islam, until the actions are deemed as joking, deceitful. The most liberal and up to date religion is Islam because surah Kafiruun says you have your way and i have mine; agreeing to disagree [live and i live].

LagosShia:

In english there is a difference between 'changing religion' and 'changing the religion'.

I have also earlier explained in this thread about apostacy in Islam and I'm not going to repeat myself.

Actually when a child is born the shahada is whispered in his ears and that makes him/her a muslim for life. Try to leave it and you end up dead either lawfully or some fanatic muslim.

what makes a child a christian for life is the ere birth to the christian family. That is sad and very sad indeed. Muslims are brought into it by initiation of the Ahdan in the right ear and Iqamah in the left. I have not heard of shahadah as you said. You have poor and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If you claim born again or baptism is the entry into Christianity, then you cant fault Islam for Ahdan and Iqamah. More importantly, do you expect parents to leave children alone because even animals guide their young in the things that are instinctive to them.

It is ignorance that will make someone say leaving Islam will be met by death. In the USA, today, I know a family that a daughter now refuses to pray or cover at 19, while her sister who is 20 is opposite. I also know a family in Nigeria where a daughter living with parents has left Islam while her younger siblings are practicing it. Now choose which you are going to use as your excuse it is not a muslim country to support your wrong view of Islam. I am waiting, nakash.



@Paris love:

by Paris Love(m): 8:47am
Lol, "changing the religion" like how? It's not like shi'as and sunnis are practicing the same thing so it has been changed. And it's still the same thing. If they are "changing the religion" it means they've already left or discarded the one Muhammad practiced so it's still apostacy. That's why they where killed. No wonder the sectarian violence cus each believes the other is wrong. angry
https://www.nairaland.com/961495/timeline-sectarian-terrorism-against-shia

Shia, Sunni and others read the very same Quran, in addition to having the same Lord God Allah the Almighty, same messengers and prophets from Adam to Muhammad [sa], same salah [subh, dhur, asr, magrib and isha, including witr and tahajjud [after midnight prayer]], fasting and all its principles and rulings, zakat and sadaqah, hajj and umrah, same legal marital process, birth, life and death and burial. What you have different are simple political understanding and interpretation and process. So tell me what is left of what Muhammad [sa] brought and who left it?

Let me ask you, which "christianity" is correct? Which church?

@Bella3 above question. Here is your answer in the quote:

New International Version (©1984)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--

New Living Translation (©2007)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

USA, specifically school system in san francisco is just waking up to letting their future diplomats of the world begin the learning of mandarin/chinese language from elementary school.

i am no fashola's fan for his almost anti Islam in my view, but he has made a wise decision, a great move to put nigeria of tomorrow at some advantage of being able to do business, mano-a-mano with the most populated and probably world leader of today and probably that of tomorrow, almost alone in a class by itself.

USA is the only country in my own view that can checkmate china of tomorrow. Lagos is hereby leading the charge for the nigeria of tomorrow, the future.

@Bella3: You asked, I delivered. I explained with corresponding hadith and further understanding of the hadith.

1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.

13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.

17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

18. Joel 2:27

19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

20. Mark 12:29-34

21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

22. Romans 3:30

23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

25. Ephesians 4:6

26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


Exodus 20:11: New International Version (©1984)
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


Genesis 1:27 International Version (©1984)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Quran chapter 112: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."


10:3 But, your Lord (Who sent this Book) is Allah Who created the
heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne
of His Almightiness in Supreme Control.


"What is the matter with you, that you are not conscious of Allah's majesty, seeing that it is He Who has created you in diverse stages? See you not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (glorious) lamp? And Allah has produced you from the earth, growing (gradually)" (71:13-17).


Hadith: scottishsalafiyyah..com/.../meaning-of-hadith-allah-created-a...

A Hadith was reported from the Prophet (peace be upon him) in which he prohibits making the face ugly, and states that Allah (Exalted be He) created Adam in His image. This Hadith is authentically reported from the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) in which he said: "If any of you strikes (another), let them avoid the face, for Allah created Adam in His image" . In another narration: "In the Image of Ar-Rahman (The Gracious)".

This does not mean Tashbih (comparison) or Tamthil (likening Allah's Attributes to those of His Creation).

According to the view of scholars, this means that Allah (Exalted be He) created Adam hearing, seeing and talking as He wishes. These are also the Attributes of Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He), for He is All-Hearer, All-Seer, Speaker and has a Face (Glorified and Exalted be He). Yet, that does not mean Tashbih or Tamthil, since the Image of Allah is completely different from the image of any creature. Rather, it means that He is Hearer, Seer, has a Face and Speaker if He wishes. Similarly, Allah (Exalted be He) created Adam in the same image; possessing hearing, sight, face, hands and feet and speech when he wants to talk. Yet, his hearing is not like Allah's and so is his sight and speech. His face does not also resemble Allah's Face for there is no match to Allah's Attributes (may He be Exalted and Glorified). Rather, they befit Him (Glorified be He) alone. The servants (of Allah) have characteristics that befit them as well. Such characteristics are doomed to extinction, defect and weakness. However, the Attributes of Allah are Perfect without defect, weakness or extinction. For that, Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) says: There is nothing like Him; and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. He (Glorified be He) says: "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." Accordingly, it is not permissible to strike or make the face ugly.

. . .said...

"Allah created Adam in His Image’"
that the word 'His' in the Hadeeth refers to Adam ('alahis salaam), himself, and not Allah ('azza wa jal). He said that what was meant is that Allah created Adam ('alahis salaam) in his fully grown form/image and that Adam ('alahis salaam) was not created as a baby, but a fully grown man (in his fullest form/image)

God chose many servants. Sent many to man. God is One and the rest are gods who are nothing. Nothing at all they are. When any says he is of his own power can do nothing, know that he is not God, but god who is nothing.

@iv4fb:

by iv4fb: 7:07am
@sweetnecta, so you guys believe the bible-or part of the bible? Wow! I'll never believe the quoran and I'll never even read it, I've found the messiah and I'm content. Argue on.

And if the Bible defend part of ur religion, what will the Bible now do to Christianity

The reason I believe part of the Bibles is that Quran support the part. Part like God is One. The part that God created everything in 6 stages. And man is created and Adam [as] was created in his own [Adam] image; a grown man, not changing facial features or look like babies will look while developing to adult and he or she is completely different when the development is complete. Adam [as] looked as he looked at death the way he look when first became alive.

The Quran is there for you to believe or reject and in your case you have rejected it while in my case I believe it. Wen I read the Bible as a child, i was turned off the moment i read that Moses saw part of God, His Back or Neck, i cant remember which, now.

The jews do not read the NT because they have found their prophet, too. His name is Moses. Continue to be ignorant.

You read the Torah. You call it OT and you use it to defend the NT, The Bible, your religion, Christianity. What do you think Torah now does with Judaism, since you use it to support Christianity, Jesus?

@iv4fb:

by iv4fb: 7:07am
@sweetnecta, so you guys believe the bible-or part of the bible? Wow! I'll never believe the quoran and I'll never even read it, I've found the messiah and I'm content. Argue on.

And if the Bible defend part of ur religion, what will the Bible now do to Christianity

The reason I believe part of the Bibles is that Quran support the part. Part like God is One. The part that God created everything in 6 stages. And man is created and Adam [as] was created in his own [Adam] image; a grown man, not changing facial features or look like babies will look while developing to adult and he or she is completely different when the development is complete. Adam [as] looked as he looked at death the way he look when first became alive.

The Quran is there for you to believe or reject and in your case you have rejected it while in my case I believe it. Wen I read the Bible as a child, i was turned off the moment i read that Moses saw part of God, His Back or Neck, i cant remember which, now.

The jews do not read the NT because they have found their prophet, too. His name is Moses. Continue to be ignorant.

You read the Torah. You call it OT and you use it to defend the NT, The Bible, your religion, Christianity. What do you think Torah now does with Judaism, since you use it to support Christianity, Jesus?

May Allah accept her on the highest level of paradise. Amin.

@anonimi:

by anonimi: 11:12am
Hereunder is the initial Gold invite story from Tinubu's media adviser in his newspaper- The Nation

Tinubu for US Democratic Party convention

National leader of the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN) Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu, is to attend the three-day National Convention of the United States Democratic Party that kicks off today in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Tinubu, who was invited to the convention by the party in recognition of his political activities as leader of opposition in Nigeria, will be at the ring side to watch the nomination of President Barrack Obama as the party’s presidential candidate for the November election.

The Republican Party at the weekend confirmed the nomination of Mitt Romney as its candidate.

A statement by Special Adviser on Media to the former Lagos state governor, Mr Sunday Dare, reads: “Tinubu receives a gold card invitation which is prime and with this, he will be joined by three other eminent personalities - Governor Kayode Fayemi of Ekiti state, Speaker Lagos state House of Assembly Adeyemi Ikuforiji and former Commissioner for Information and Strategy in Lagos state, Mr Dele Alake.

“On Thursday, at Bank of America stadium, President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden will deliver their nomination acceptance speeches.

Four years ago when President Obama was inaugurated, Tinubu also enjoyed a ring side seat at the event in Washington.

Tinubu’s invitation to attend the convention comes after a successful one week lecture tour, town hall meeting and book launch in Washington and Chicago.

He delivered a lecture at the prestigious Wilson Center for International scholars on the challenges facing Nigeria’s democratic experiment and offered solutions to problems of under development facing the country.

Similarly at a town hall meeting in Chicago with Governors Rauf Aregbesola and Abiola Ajimobi on hand, Tinubu spoke extensively on Nigeria’s search for true federalism and highlighted the fault lines in the country’s practice of federalism.

At the convention, Tinubu is expected to discusshuh how to entrench true federalism in Nigeria in his private discussions with the leading figures of the Obama administration and seek the US support for Nigeria to hold a free and fair election in 2015.

The Nation

Re: 'Tinubu Never Said Obama Invited Him' by Zeus I: 11:13am
Tell that to the dullards who were making waves about it, that Tinubu is a revered personnel to be invited. Barbarians will always find some illusory-insignificant honours to confere on their pompous and bloated and spineless leaders. Loud-mouthed lazy, easy-life seeking monkeys.

it is my hope that the bold is not about the yorubas but the supporters of tinubu?

@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 6:14pm On Sep 07
@ Sweetnecta

Sir, you would notice that I seldom reply your post. No disrespect intended but I find them incoherent and verbose. So, I will side step them for the time being until you are more concise and to the point. I am sorry.

here is what you arrogantly responded to me in the thread you referenced above.

how you roundly dealt with me, should surprise you because it surprised this writer.

@Frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 1:54pm

Bélla3: @sweetnecta
u just proved hw limited ur god is! He needs a medium to speak to u? The al powerful God needs a medium.
PRAISE BE TO ILLAH. The al POWERFUL!
My God cn do al things. He doesnt need a medium, becos he owns al things. The only thing He expects is that i heed HIS words. Thank u Lord for Ur awesome wonder. THANK YOU BECOZ YOU CN SPEAK TO ME.

Don't waste time with this Muhammedian , honestly this discussion will go nowhere.

it will go no where because as usual you are a no show. in your own thread, you are being given sledge hammer like jabs and uppercuts from aletheia who cant even tell us what the another comforter heard from God and then spoke to men. This was the question I asked her, in it both of you failed. In your case, you failed miserably. There is nothing called muhammedian, silly.

They are blind and need their eyes opened by the Spirit of GOD.

what did the spirit of God say to the "the people of little faith"? Frosbel, you are in for a rough ride here.


@Reyginus:

by Reyginus(m): 2:21pm
I am not going to move in circles with you. You just dont want to understand. It will a waste of time debating with a mind that's already made up.
You need to read the verse to understand what the nature of your question should be. Next time if you want to punch me in the face, punch with both fists. Jesus never said 'another' comforter, but 'a' comforter. PERIOD.

How do you like your face; well beat up, rare or really bloody? Here is what your Bibles say about another {comforter, counselor, helper, etc. Take your pick]:

New International Version (©1984)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--

New Living Translation (©2007)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

@Bella:

by Bélla3(f): 2:28pm

Sweetnecta: @Bella3: Bella dont make me laugh jo. Yahweh spoke to you through Jesus, who spoke to his disciples in their accounts in the Bibles. Before then, Yahweh told you a psalm through David, as it is recorded in the Bibles. Before then, Yahweh spoke to the children of Israel through Moses, then you and them read it in the Torah and Bibles. See the consistency of the human medium, prophets of God, not joe blow and happy pappy.



including dying? being overcome or tempted by satan? Are you serious, bella3?


one wonders why Noah, Moses, etc, and Jesus son of Mary? You are deviating from the core of the thread.


what dis he tell you today other than what you have heard recorded that Jesus said God said? What has He ever told you since you can remember anything from anyone? Tell me what He told the Holy spirit as the another comforter to tell the disciples. Unless you are playing around, you have said zero on this thread.

why cnt u be a medium too?

i am no messenger even less a prophet. There is no living prophet [as]. not on earth for sure.

Why cnt God speak to you too?

God is aware of me. I am aware of Him. He has shown me signs and I am happy. The last was when i dreamed about a friend who had passed couple of years ago. I saw him being happy, happy with Allah. He is in paradise of Allah. You will never dream about a non muslim in paradise. Never. Even Jesus of the Bible has told you that he will flatly reject you as in "i do not know ye."

Hw did he speak to the others?

Moses in the torah. Lets start from the Burning Bush. Jesus in the Gospel of Jesus which you do not truly have, except a relic; "I came to fulfill and not to abolish the prophets and the laws. Not even a jot shall be unfulfilled. Whoever abolishes or encourages anyone to abolish the prophets and or the laws, he shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven".

He cn also speak to u if he spoke to others.. Indeed ur god is limited

read my entries, above. And my girl, you are deviating from the topic.

frosbel:


Don't waste time with this Muhammedian , honestly this discussion will go nowhere.

They are blind and need their eyes opened by the Spirit of GOD.

[quote]
i think i wil stick to this advice. Bt op pls tel us were Jesus spoke of another comforter!

You will read my post quoting many Bibles above, talking about "Another . . .". I had no idea you people were naive about your Bibles, even so you pride they are in so many languages. Continue to follow frosbel, who will lead you far astray. Watch it.



@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 4:09pm
Confirm Comforter As Holy Spirit and sweetnecta will do what?

If the holy spirit heard from Yahweh/Jehovah, etc and spoke to disciples as Jesus said, and we have the record in writing, correcting the disciples, leading the "little faith disciples" to all truth, teaching them new things, convicting the world of sins, praising Jesus, each in new dimension, I will follow the foot steps of the disciples, as they ought to be followed. Is that okay by you or you have other ideas for me?

After being roundly dealt with in the islam for muslims section what do you wanna prove? If the comforter is not the Holy Spirit it must then be Muhammad? grin grin

are you for real as regarding the bold? The same you who said you did not understand by ebonic? You must get a grip. if the "ANOTHER comforter" is holy spirit, just show me what he heard from his partner Yahweh/Jehovah and then turn around to tell disciple of another partner, Jesus/son of man. Is that too complicated for you because there is an app for that?

www.nairaland.com/1009884/why-muslims-think-comforter-jesus

How you roundly dealt with me in this thread is something you need to proof to everyone.

^^ Whats altakiyya in my wanting to gain knowledge?

You need to remove the tiara from the head and let the cool wind of early fall get in there.

Keep the bubu on because you may just catch a chill without it; deadly. i seek knowledge, daily.

@Frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 4:26pm
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ol' chap you are losing it. You can even say anything on a thread you created. I know how you feel; defeated it is.

^^^^in islam, it is discouraged to start any hostility, but defense and protection upon the beginning of hostility is a must.
if a muslim dies when he turns the other cheek, he goes to hellfire. if he dies in defense of his belonging he will not go
to hell for that.

The Quran sets the rule of battle, war and in it when your enemy runs to you for protection, you must protect him, treat him well and help him to reach a secure place. such was the kindness of Islam that Ali bin AbiTalib [ra] did not kill his enemy he was about to kill when the enemy spat on his face. That unprecedented military restraint was enough to make the person enter Islam.

no one in history show decency in war more that a true muslim, a follower of Muhammad [sa].

@Bella3:

by Bélla3(f): 12:26pm
@sweetnecta
u just proved hw limited ur god is! He needs a medium to speak to u? The al powerful God needs a medium.
PRAISE BE TO ILLAH. The al POWERFUL!

Bella dont make me laugh jo. Yahweh spoke to you through Jesus, who spoke to his disciples in their accounts in the Bibles. Before then, Yahweh told you a psalm through David, as it is recorded in the Bibles. Before then, Yahweh spoke to the children of Israel through Moses, then you and them read it in the Torah and Bibles. See the consistency of the human medium, prophets of God, not joe blow and happy pappy.

My God cn do al things.

including dying? being overcome or tempted by satan? Are you serious, bella3?

He doesnt need a medium, becos he owns al things.

one wonders why Noah, Moses, etc, and Jesus son of Mary? You are deviating from the core of the thread.

The only thing He expects is that i heed HIS words. Thank u Lord for Ur awesome wonder. THANK YOU BECOZ YOU CN SPEAK TO ME.

what dis he tell you today other than what you have heard recorded that Jesus said God said? What has He ever told you since you can remember anything from anyone? Tell me what He told the Holy spirit as the another comforter to tell the disciples. Unless you are playing around, you have said zero on this thread.

@reyginus;

by Reyginus(m): 12:55pm
[quote]I dont know where you got your 'another' comforter from. You still dont get it. Your comfort cannot be your comforter. Their is a desert of difference between an object of peace and peace itself. Comfort = Peace of mind within us. Comforter = Peace of mind from outside into us. Jesus was their peace of mind.

You asked if chair could be my comforter. I said yes; for my aching legs/feet i wrote. Incidentally the furniture industry agrees with me. There is a seat called comforter. It sits just one person. Maybe you dont know that. There is also a love seat that sits 2 people. Comforter as peace of mind from outside into us, where Jesus is their peace of mind throws a monkey wrench in what Jesus said [another comforter will be coming to you]. Maybe another Jesus was coming to them? Jesus a human being, a prophet, a son of Man, a powerless being of his own accord. A worshiper of God, Yahweh or Jehovah or Ellah as was recorded for him on the cross.

To your analogy of them forgetting the master after a while due to his absence.
You still dont get it. The master has already immersed them with the word, and for them to be in an unbroken continuity with it, the holy spirit was sent to renew their spirit. Remember, this is not my fight.

and you fight badly, lacking strategy. Jesus said they will have another comforter who hears and speaks. Jesus called them people of little faith. These are in the Bible and to say they were immersed with word and are in an unbroken continuity is all very shameful because they were told that correction will happen because mistake will arise and be believed to be true, new ideas, complete as in all truth, etc etc including praising Jesus were to happen. If they were perfectly immersed and had continuity, these were empty statements from Jesus since they did not remain forever, alive but you who were not to share in the holy spirit, except what the wrote from him remains. But the disciple heard nothing and passed nothing in writing. This is the classification that you must provide. And all of you guys have failed, yet.

by Reyginus(m): 1:01pm
From my own understanding here. Garbage= Not suiting your direction.

not so. check the title of this thread and the core of my concern. i only wanted to know how another comforter heard from God, then spoke to men. If this another comforter was the bodiless voiceless holy spirit that was always there as a God different from Yahweh, how did he wait to hear from Yahweh before speaking to disciples of Jesus? What did he hear and speak? Very simple very straightforward. Direct. You should not suit my direction since I have none. But you should speak the truth from what Biblical Jesus said about the Another comforter that you now call holy spirit.

^Nakash you are special breed. Muhammad [sa] did not need Jews or Arabs or anyone for that matter.
Allah says his duty is to convey the message. And thats all he did, caring and concern for man, believers and non believers alike.

I see that you are local and have no understanding that in the time of Muhammad [sa] 50% of the jewish scholars in Madina became Muslims.
Today, there are jews who are muslims.

You need to get out some more. You need not lie if you have anything to say. Just leave with your lips zipped up. Come on.
Islam and Muhammad [sa] stand pure and final till eternity. And if you miss the train to true faith, the decision and the consequence is yours and not anyone.

All good is for the doer with a reward. so is each evil has its rewards.



and as for the apes and pigs, some were turned to each based on their abuse of the laws of sabbath, just like some were killed when they made a yahweh of gold in shape of a cow.

@Gent Paris:

by gent paris: 6:28pm On Sep 07

Sweetnecta: @Reyginus: I am saying the bold is not in the Quran. You will have to quote for the world to see the verse in the Quran.

Please remember the name and number of the chapter and of course the verse number, too.



[quote]Oh pedophila is sanctioned in your Quran.i can do the bolded for you.[/b]

I am waiting for Chapter and Verse. Just 1 chapter and 1 verse will be enough. I am certain you will never be able to do it. "Pedophilia" you said. I am waiting and dont keep me waiting too long.

^^^ Ma salaam? What does it mean to you?

@Miredia:

by miredia(m): 5:16am
I forsee it's going to be a recycle of words. God's time and calender definitely doesn't align to man's emperical statistics. Most of the words spoken in the Bible are mystery entrenched. The disciples as referenced in your write up wasn't literally confined to the Pauline generations but extends to today's christains.

however you arrive to the bold, one thing i know, nothing heard God speak, because nothing told us what God spoke to it as i checked the bible, post Jesus declaring he will leave and then the another comforter will come. nothing spoke to no one, because nothing is said or recorded to be passed on to future generations from the disciples. heck.

they thought they will die and the world will perish with them as Jesus would have returned and the world is doomed. nothing of the two happened. all i have been asking is someone, anyone including the pastors anywhere in the world to tell me and us how and when did God speak to another comforter you have renamed the holy spirit, one of the 3 in the Trinitarian God concept; what did he say was said to him and what did he repeat in correction, leading to all truth, teaching new things, etc, etc, and praising/glorifying Jesus? I wanna read them.

If you dont know, how can you be sure that this came true, already?

Heck, what has the holy spirit taught you? You personally, different from what is on the table from Jesus of the Bible; in correcting, etc?



@Bella3:

by Bélla3(f): 6:45am

Sweetnecta: @Bella3: This is a silly understanding. At my age, i ought to know how to navigate life. And I have done well. Enough to talk to nigerians and others. To assert that i dont know my own question is the height of bad judgment. You have no understanding of the Bible, a book that Jesus was reported to have stated the another comforter will hear God and will speak to man. Now thats simple enough and i asked that you tell me how a bodiless voiceless being will manage to hear from God and speak to man. You need to read and reason. Instead of showing of ignorance and thinking you are responding to me. Read your Bible and see hear and speak and explain these two to this man seeking knowledge.

so to you only a bodily form can hear from God? Kai!

what did you hear from God when you were a spirit? Do you remember? Tell me. You are thinking with your elbow and i am here expecting you to be logical. Tell me what you heard, or what your pastor or anyone ever heard from God when he or she was a spirit. I want full details. You proposed it, I wanna read it as long as your conscience is clear. Hopefully you and whoever remembered when you were spirits?

Think about it for a moment: Bella3 spoke to bella3 so that bella3 can tell me what Bella said. How is bella3 gonna tell me without having a voice, me a man who can not read mind or lips and I can hear with ears and nothing else? God, if He were to speak to my heart, there is no way He will need a medium, unless He wished my ears hear it. Then He tell His human prophet to tell me because the prophet and I are from the human specie. God did it by asking Moses to tell tyrannical Pharaoh what He willed pharaoh to hear. Same with Jesus an those pharisees. Come on woman; we are grown ups here and you opinion leaves more to desire.

@Frosbel, Fr0sbel, Olaadegbu minus the cartoons, Aletheia, Buatyne, etc: None of you has risen to the occasion of this thread. You have disappointed this muslim man. And i am not happy about it. You did not try.

You people need to ask your pastor that a follower of Muhammad [sa] is asking you about the hearing and talking another comforter and he said you have have given him garbage does far.

@Obadiah777:

by obadiah777: 12:14am
THE COMFORTER IS THE WORDS OF GOD. THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST MAKES YOU ALIVE ( JOHN 6 VS 63 ). THE COMFORTER IS THE WORDS IN THE BIBLE. THE WORDS IN THE BIBLE IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. THE WORDS IN THE BIBLE IS CHRIST ( REVELATION 19 VS 13 ). THE COMFORTER IS THE BIBLE.

I guess the Bible part before said anything about the another comforter will not be "The comforter", based on your statement and definitely the "tongue like fire" of pentecost is a hoax, gimmick and not the comforter promised, either? Now, how did the Bible that came after the disciples speak to them and what did it hear from God? I know that the Bible speaks to you now, but what correction did it make on which wrong? What leading to the truth, teaching new things, glorifying Jesus, each different from what was on ground in the time of Jesus? You see, it will be difficult to reconcile the speaking another comforter with teacher quality as the Bible unless you can present what was wrong after Jesus left and was correct at some later point. Look when Jesus was here, everything was right. He prophesied that things will be wrong and another comforter will come to finally correct it by speaking. Things went wrong. Then the another comforter came to correct it. If Jesus was right and another comforter already came, I wanna know what was wrong and what was correction to make it right? Thats elementary enough.

Bella3, you can understand that?



@Miredia:

by miredia(m): 1:01am
First there has almost never being a time in the history of the world where God did not govern earth. God the father was in charge during the old testament reigns, subsequently Jesus in his days (new testament) was present here on earth upon his departure he had to send the holy spirit to control the helm of affairs here on earth. Explaining the word comforter. I tried to be as succint as possible

I appreciate your effort. You are flatly wrong because you fail to realize that Jesus said he will return in the lifetime of the disciples and he failed to return. And there is no proof that a hearing and talking another comforter came to the disciples. No evidence because there is no inkling that they heard anything. Even Paul heard something on the way to damascus! come on. Even Bella3 cant accept this from you.

@Bella3:

by Bélla3(f): 11:49pm On Sep 08

Sweetnecta: @Bella3: sisi, dont get tired because I wanna learn. If you are tired who will teach me? The men are wearing skirts on this thread. so let them and you put on the tie and hold the fort since they all abandoned the ship for you to man. I hope reyginus will stick around?

you knw why no one is answering u? Becoz u dnt even knw what ur question is.

This is a silly understanding. At my age, i ought to know how to navigate life. And I have done well. Enough to talk to nigerians and others. To assert that i dont know my own question is the height of bad judgment. You have no understanding of the Bible, a book that Jesus was reported to have stated the another comforter will hear God and will speak to man. Now thats simple enough and i asked that you tell me how a bodiless voiceless being will manage to hear from God and speak to man. You need to read and reason. Instead of showing of ignorance and thinking you are responding to me. Read your Bible and see hear and speak and explain these two to this man seeking knowledge.

@Crazyman:

by CrazyMan(m): 11:25pm
To be honest, I couldn't quite comprehend your question...

I appreciate your honesty. Everyone is important in his own eyes, including you crazy man. so I will not even bother to worry my head about your opinion.

but I would give you favorable answers about the holy spirit.

Luke 3:21-22. When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too.

I know enough Jews. I am surrounded by them; homes on my right and left side, a yashiva down the street. All of these plus my attorneys, no one has ever told me they practice baptism. No one. The christians must have invented it. instead of Bamitva, the right of coming of age, adult at 13 that is still practiced today.

And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."

You have to now provide the same scenario for the holy spirit, hearing, speaking, teaching, leading, reminding, correcting, glorifying. You read what you wrote in a book, the Bible. Please provide the record of the another comforter which is the holy spirit interfacing with the disciples so that what Jesus said about the holy spirit as the another comforter can be fulfilled.

From this verse, we can see that the symbol which was used to represent the holy spirit is a dove.

so i wanna see the dove or something else as the another comforter which is the holy spirit teaching, etc as promised by Jesus. Can you do that?

A dove can be defined as a pure white member of the family of Columbidae species...its used as a symbol of innocence, gentleness, tenderness, and peace. So allow me to say that the holy spirit is a being of peace.

where is it correcting the disciples? I do hope you will provide the evidence?

He appeared before and after christs mission on earth...this shows he was with christ all through the way. Guiding him and providing him comfort in troubled times.

This is ridiculous. if this holy spirit was already existing, and the most junior of the Gods was even helping out Jesus, how does it become "another comforter"? This is senseless, confusing. It is illogical for it to now be sent and be called another comforter. What is common in it wit te comforter before it, considering that it must hear and speak?

Now to your question...

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel, Olaadegbu, Aletheia, Bukatyne, Tiarabubu, etc: There are many threads about Another Comforter/Holy Spirit. Each has not brougt the christians to a consensus in the same form as Jesus being a prophet, for example. Now is your chance to clear the air. So tell us the truth

By just showing us how the Holy Spirit, without bodily form to identify "him" and mouth to "speak" with was able to accomplish the duties of "the teacher, corrector, etc" of the another comforter to man. The duties consist of first "hearing from God", then "speaking to believers of Jesus; his disciples". The above will correct mistake/wrong, lead to all truth, teach new things, convict the world of sins, etc, proclaim Jesus by praising him. None of these can be done without being able to speak in audible voice. Or is? Please tell us how and why would Jesus say he will hear and speak, if not a voice speech?

Acts 2:1-4. When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. [b]3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.

tongue of fire? this is the most ridiculous description of forms/shapes and i know quite a lot about shape/form. How did they determine it is tongue in shape? how is it that the fire did not burn; is this another burning bush, because it is the only fire that did not burn anything?

4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

This is the same holy spirit that was already in them in the lifetime of Jesus? Okay. What did the holy spirit make them say, since it is supposed to hear and then speak? Are they truly filled up with the holy spirit that was already in them, according to Jesus? This is senseless. truly senseless.

This passage tells us that the holy spirit isn't a human, but a gentle and tender spirit. He controls your body once he's in it thereby making it easier for you to relate with God.

This is your description and not what Jesus said of it as it will be a hearer, speaker, corrector, teacher, leader, etc and none of these can be done without a speech in audible voice, unless Jesus was wrong and you and the others are right.

His presence in the life of a christian is mainly for guidance in your christian journey...

Jesus did not promise any holy spirit which is the another comforter except on the disciples. You are wrong here and you know it.

Joel 2:28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.

irrelevant. This is so ambiguous its not funny anymore. There is no way this argues for the holy spirit on the disciples or remotely the christians.

This passage also talks about the holy spirit, which God himself promised to send to his children...

Jesus promised the holy spirit only to the disciples. God is no father of anyone and there is no children to promised holy spirit to and definitely not on disciples of Jesus or you a pseudo child. Heck. Jesus did not even promise your generation.

I believe its a fulfillment of Acts 2...because God stated the [b]characteristics of the holy spirit, which includes him making you do things you possibly can't do on a normal day...he gives insight, knowledge and makes you special to people regardless of your background...[/b]see the passage below.

Jesus said the another comforter which is the holy spirit will teach, correct, lead to all truth, make sin, praise Jesus. Nothing of what you said in the bold was the another comforter was supposed to do with the disciples. You are not a beneficiary of the another comforter and you know it.

Acts 4:13. When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.

Unschooled after Jesus has been their professor? What professor and school were higher at that time? You are not making sense.

Sweetnecta: The verse in the Gospel of John is clear enough, stating Jesus said the Another Comforter was to hear from God and speak to man, only whatever he hears, without adding or removing from it. I wanna know how did this Holy Spirit God heard from God after hearing spoke to men.

My people perish for lack of knowledge...

John 14:16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

The disciples were supposed to be here forever so that the another advocate can help and be with them forever. No you. But the disciples.

17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Is Jesus the another comforter as the holy spirit, the same Jesus who said he will return in the lifetime of the 12 and everyone of them perished waiting, even Paul who knew about is intended return from them perished and all generations of christians perished waiting? I intentionally ignored other aspects before the bold, maybe for another day. How was Jesus able to not leave them, yet they perished all together waiting for him as he promised? This is your mission impossible.

He work is to guide you just as he guided Jesus during his mission on earth.

but Jesus is senior God to him. No? How can he guided jesus?

As for the hearing part, I won't rule out that totally, because its said in the bible that he searches the mind of God to revael deep secrets.

Jesus said he will hear God speaking. and then he will speak to man. You need to bear that in mind otherwise all your efforts will go to waste. There is no mind being searched, definitely not the Mind of God. God should know the Mind of God if Holy Spirit is God, too, wont you agree?

But if you look it his job careful, its all about guidance.

even at that, it is hearing and speaking involved; From God to Holy Spirit to human ears. This you must prove.


@bella3:

by Bélla3(f): 11:31pm

Sweetnecta: @Bella3: This will be impossible if we consider that there was a former comforter before the another comforter. Did the former comforter speak to the heart and not to the ears towards the heart? Who was the former comforter if you know, just maybe that will help us to understand what and who the another comforter will be? Is the former comforter a human being a prophet so that the another comforter will be human prophet? Or is the former comforter a former holy spirit, so that the another comforter can be another holy spirit, too? If the former comforter was a human prophet what will make the another comforter a holy spirit, who will not speak with audible voice to humans?


Yes. Many did. Example, Moses [you remember pharaoh], David [you remember Goliath?], Muhammad [sa].


i have already weakened this opinion by the examples above, unless you will agree that these men were holy spirits, counselors, comforters.


the reality is different from what you suggested, unless you can elaborate very clearly:

1}. The holy spirit, if it is true as another comforter, counselor was limited to the disciples and never to include anyone else.
2]. He did not speak audibly to the disciples.
3]. I guess he did not hear from Yahweh/Jehovah the reason he said nothing and evidently they couldnt record "nothing" for him.
4]. What has the holy spirit taught you or any christian other than what Jesus taught the disciples, unless Paul is the another comforter?
5]. What correction did the holy spirit make, unless Paul was the another comforter?
6]. What leading to all truth did the disciples get from the holy spirit unless Paul was the another comforter?
7]. What reminding of Jesus did the disciples get from the holy spirit unless Paul was the anther comforter?
8]. What new teaching did the disciples get from the holy spirit unless Paul was the another comforter?
9]. How did the holy spirit glorify Jesus in the presence of the disciples unless Paul was the another comforter?
10]. How did the holy spirit lived forever in the disciples who are already dead now, even dead Paul is alive, living trough or because of his epistles?

You may have to disproof me, Jesus in the Bible and come up with a new spin of your own. The one you stated above is not it.

so to you everything has to be written down? Who was the former comforter pls? I only knw 1 comforter!

if another does not connote a former before the another, then we all have poor understanding of the word "another". I can tell you that Jesus was a former comforter. SO was David. Definitely Moses. And you have many others; Noah, Abraham, etc. Think about it and if you cant I will explain to you later. And to me what is not written down does fall into opinion, personal opinion and it could be true or not. Even what is written down, except what is truly said by God, directly, through His Angels, His Prophets.

@Bella3:

by Bélla3(f): 11:32pm

Reyginus: This is not my fight, but I feel obliged to make a slight correction.
You are abusing the word 'comforter' by using it too loosely.
Their was no former comforter in the first place. The need for it never came up because christ- the embodiment of comfort was with them. He was their comfort and the reason they were comfortable. Do you because a chair make you comfortable, you call that chair your comforter?Hope you can seperate the two?

the thing tire me oh

sisi, dont get tired because I wanna learn. If you are tired who will teach me? The men are wearing skirts on this thread. so let them and you put on the tie and hold the fort since they all abandoned the ship for you to man. I hope reyginus will stick around?

@Reyginus:

by Reyginus(m): 11:03pm
This is not my fight, but I feel obliged to make a slight correction.
You are abusing the word 'comforter' by using it too loosely.

Jesus said Another "comforter" before he described him and outlined his duties. How can I use the word "too loosely" when "COMFORTER" was the entity Jesus Promised?

Their was no former comforter in the first place.

Then you need to explain what "Another" means in Another Comforter, or another man, another daughter, another house, another God, if there is no former one, "Comforter".

The need for it never came up because christ- the embodiment of comfort was with them.

Then christ have to be the former Comforter and mistakes must have occurred after Jesus left, before the another comforter arrived and correcting he must. No? Why would Jesus talk about correcting then?

He was their comfort and the reason they were comfortable.

Ten another comforter must be the later comfort and the reason those who received him were comfortable. I wonder how even in the former and then the later "another comforter"? To imagine the "master" like Jesus was forgotten so quickly that pentecost was it for a no speaking entity to speak to human is pretty outrageous and confusing. Talk about quick sand brain retention. Is that the reason they were called "people of little faith"? How can you be better than them, if they needed correction that quickly and they did not remember to write them down?

Do you because a chair make you comfortable, you call that chair your comforter?

A source of comfort is comforter. Yes. The chair will be the comforter for my aching legs/feet.

Hope you can seperate the two?

I have answered the most difficult question you threw to me; the chair. Now tell me how the holy spirit spoke to human disciples, when only humans talk to humans, except when God talked to His anointed Messengers and Prophets [as]? Was the hearing fro God not speech of God to the hearing of the another comforter, like the way God spoke to Moses in the burning bush? Will the speaking of the another comforter not going to be like the speaking of Prophet Jesus [as] to his helpers, the disciples as in voice heard?

@Bella3:

by Bélla3(f): 9:52pm
The holy spirit speaks to the heart nt doesnt appear physicaly.

This will be impossible if we consider that there was a former comforter before the another comforter. Did the former comforter speak to the heart and not to the ears towards the heart? Who was the former comforter if you know, just maybe that will help us to understand what and who the another comforter will be? Is the former comforter a human being a prophet so that the another comforter will be human prophet? Or is the former comforter a former holy spirit, so that the another comforter can be another holy spirit, too? If the former comforter was a human prophet what will make the another comforter a holy spirit, who will not speak with audible voice to humans?

Can a human being give boldnes to people facing persecution?

Yes. Many did. Example, Moses [you remember pharaoh], David [you remember Goliath?], Muhammad [sa].

Only personal ministration can give such boldnes.

i have already weakened this opinion by the examples above, unless you will agree that these men were holy spirits, counselors, comforters.

Till today, christains here from the Holy spirit showing dat the comforter is nt a physical being.

the reality is different from what you suggested, unless you can elaborate very clearly:

1}. The holy spirit, if it is true as another comforter, counselor was limited to the disciples and never to include anyone else.
2]. He did not speak audibly to the disciples.
3]. I guess he did not hear from Yahweh/Jehovah the reason he said nothing and evidently they couldnt record "nothing" for him.
4]. What has the holy spirit taught you or any christian other than what Jesus taught the disciples, unless Paul is the another comforter?
5]. What correction did the holy spirit make, unless Paul was the another comforter?
6]. What leading to all truth did the disciples get from the holy spirit unless Paul was the another comforter?
7]. What reminding of Jesus did the disciples get from the holy spirit unless Paul was the anther comforter?
8]. What new teaching did the disciples get from the holy spirit unless Paul was the another comforter?
9]. How did the holy spirit glorify Jesus in the presence of the disciples unless Paul was the another comforter?
10]. How did the holy spirit lived forever in the disciples who are already dead now, even dead Paul is alive, living trough or because of his epistles?

You may have to disproof me, Jesus in the Bible and come up with a new spin of your own. The one you stated above is not it.