@k209 and thedenobi:

by k2039(m): 7:35pm

ijawkid:



David saw that vision,John saw the same vision,stephen b4 he died did see that picture,paul too saw it........

But in all of it,the holy spirit was no where to be found.........

Where was the holy spirit??

John and Stephen saw there revelation after the day of pentecost(Holy Spirit was on earth]
Besides did David see the 24 elders,(my point the fact that He didnt see them didnt mean they were not there)

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Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Ihedinobi(m): 7:38pm
Some of you guys offering answers to Frosbel are missing a brilliant picture. Before this guy aletheia, Frosbel was something. He drove Christians crazy. I myself refused to continue engaging him when I saw how eager he was to rewrite the Bible and how little tolerance I could afford him to do so. My twin, Mr Anony, had been otherwise engaged and big bro Enigma had lost all patience with him as well.

Aletheia comes and a can of really disgusting worms spills. I can't say how much I love that. I'm glad the Lord held us all back. But for some of you guys offering answers to Frosbel, you probably need to take a step back and look at the picture. He hasn't got his match in Aletheia, he's got a stronger opponent and a more able than himself. His arguments are unravelling to show their true nature. Whatever that experience during his undergrad days back in the uni might have been, its true worth is being shown now.

Frosbel, you asked for Scriptures, right? You're getting a shipload of them. You asked for a debate too, right? Given the degree of incoherence you have been exhibiting and your empty answers, you're getting a bellyache-full of it, no? You wanted examination of submitted points, right? Well, sir, you got a winner in Aletheia. Bless your heart, you've got more than you demanded. Have yourself some fun.......if you can manage it, of course.

Aletheia, more strength to you, bro. The Lord bless your words and establish His Authority by them.

only if anyone, especially the lionized aletheia can just show me if no one else the holy spirit came on earth as another comforter and heard from God Almighty The Sender of Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit spoke to the disciples so clearly they knew it was the another comforter, and he spoke to no one else and the disciples recorded what he spoke in his correcting them, leading them to all truth, teaching them new things to come, point out sins of man to them, praising Jesus in front of them and remaining with them forever. Can you tell aletheia to tell us these here, giving example[s] of each and how it was accomplished? I am interesting in the hear and speak parts and these can be settled by knowing what he heard and how he spoke it aloud to humans then and kept quite forever, while the disciples recorded it for prosperity, the only way you christians after the disciples can know about what the holy spirit said, in the same way you get to know about Jesus by the Gospels.



@Goshen60:

by Goshen360(m): 7:40pm

ijawkid:

And a person who is GOD ,that belongs to a GODhead made up of 3 GOds shuld be in the picture seen in heaven...

Yahweh sits(BABA GOD,OGA),Jesus sits down @ d right hand of Yahweh,but the holy spirit who is purportedly said to be a distinct person from Yahweh and Jesus and who shuld be in that arrangement is no where to be found......

David saw that vision,John saw the same vision,stephen b4 he died did see that picture,paul too saw it........

But in all of it,the holy spirit was no where to be found.........

Where was the holy spirit??


You have asked this kweshion many times in the past. If you ask me, na who I go ask......You do not expect to see the Holy Spirit when it is written,

But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. John 16:7 NIV.

The Holy Spirit is operating in the lives of believers on earth today being possessed in their regenerated spirits. This is the Spirit that indwells a mortal man to show or reveal the visions you talked about. Now, if this Spirit indwells the above mentioned believers, do you expect the same Holy Spirit to show/reveal Himself while He indwells this believers huh

If you ask me na who I go ask.....O ya, ask the audience.... grin grin grin

'to you' in the first bold were the disciples and no one else. so to claim that the holy spirit is operating in the lives of the believers "the christians", today is not agreeing with Jesus in the prophesy of the holy spirit to come as counselor, the another comforter.

@aletheia, frosbel, fr0sbel, olaadegbu, bujatyne, etc; is each of you or are all of you suffering from temporary blindness to see what i wrote here and the new thread in your honor to clear up the hearing and speaking part of the duties and or description of the another comforter you said is formless and bodiless holy spirit, a ghost instead of a solid body, flesh and blood human male with mouth to speak out after using ears to hear from God The Boss?

you people in my opinion are hypocrites who are worse than the little faith disciples. maybe thats why you are arguing for the most part with materials from paul who if not the another comforter because he claimed he heard from Jesus who had heard from God when he was on earth, and paul claimed Jesus spoke to instruct him, about what to go, or is paul a liar leading you all astray and you wanna lead us to this peril destination?

here is your chance to set the record straight and you people are wasting valuable opportunity on yourselves. do you know you can catch me and many muslims if you can get ourselves together, though you failed in pointing to us much earlier that Jesus is God who deserves all worship, a chance for wholeale conversion of Lagosshia and me and many others.

dont waste this opportunity guys, hence you will be as good as idol worshipers or chronic hypocrites, liars, inviting to evil or stubbornly clinging to evil.

but holy spirit did not do anything for the disciples. he did not teach them anything more than Jesus taught.
he did not correct any mistake that arouse after Jesus left. He did not lead to all truth. He did not glorify Jesus.

if you know he did any of these, please point to each thing he did and provide details and how and where we can read or learn about it/them.

heck, he did not speak to any disciple, the first thing he was to do after hearing from God.
can you believe God hearing from God before the hearing God tells man what he heard from the God Who spoke to the God?

Very confusing and how did this messenger errant God praise Jesus?

i have opened a thread for you guys to inform us the hearing and speaking parts of the holy spirit.

Go there please and educate us with short entries.

@Frosbel, Olaadegbu, Aletheia, Bukatyne, Tiarabubu, etc: There are many threads about Another Comforter/Holy Spirit. Each has not brougt the christians to a consensus in the same form as Jesus being a prophet, for example. Now is your chance to clear the air. So tell us the truth

By just showing us how the Holy Spirit, without bodily form to identify "him" and mouth to "speak" with was able to accomplish the duties of "the teacher, corrector, etc" of the another comforter to man. The duties consist of first "hearing from God", then "speaking to believers of Jesus; his disciples". The above will correct mistake/wrong, lead to all truth, teach new things, convict the world of sins, etc, proclaim Jesus by praising him. None of these can be done without being able to speak in audible voice. Or is? Please tell us how and why would Jesus say he will hear and speak, if not a voice speech?


The verse in the Gospel of John is clear enough, stating Jesus said the Another Comforter was to hear from God and speak to man, only whatever he hears, without adding or removing from it. I wanna know how did this Holy Spirit God heard from God after hearing spoke to men.


I bet the moderator will know that this is not a muslim thread or meant to bash the christians or anybody for that matter. there is no reason therefore to move it to muslim section, since it is addressed to the knowledgeable christians so that I can gain some needed knowledge.

they should let her go. she wishes to believe in a bathroom using God along with a ghostly God, let her.

the dream that she had always occur to those who are already let loose so that satan can appear and appeal and be pleasing to them.

I am waiting for such a dream where whatever appeared will be disgraced and humiliated, InchaAllah. I know Allah will not allow shaytan to have success in my life.

Glory and Full Honor belong to Allah. And whoever chooses to honor others, then its for their soul.

while I am not into un, arab, palestinian, even muslim and us politics, the one thing you forgot tiarabubu is that your copied research was authored by freud, a jew. who do you think most jews will support; jews or the oppressed palestinians? clearly, palestinians are being oppressed.

i remember in manhattan, democrat assemblyman aiken of brooklyn was accusing obama as a non usa born, hence natanyahu can even run for us presidency! when it comes to it, most jews will take the position of israel, rather than take the side of usa that has nurtured them from almost german extinction to a state of honor.

i need to remind you that in this united states, muslims pay taxes and there are muslims who pay good taxes, owners of real money. i am sure if people are allowed to dictate what their us taxes are to be spent on, i for one will not want a cent from me to go to israel. yet israel get plenty of money and supports from america.

most people in the usa, i dont know about the rest of the west who will work for better palestinian over the interest of israel is accused and can actually be oppressed with trump up charges.

my prayer is this that in my lifetime, that the muslims in america can rise up and by influence neutralize the influence of israel and her lobbyists. Didnt Turkey try to help the palestinians few years ago with some humanitarians losing their lives by the commando style response of israel?

the nigerians should be grateful that they are returned home alive.
the zionists who believe that they are made from the head of God, not just His "Image"
will not think it to be anything if they harvest the organs of those they call goyim, gentiles.

their God is their ethnic survival, money and more money. i don't trust them yahuud [zionists].

^^^^ I dreamed about Allah, not just once. The last time was in this past month in which I saw a late friend confirming to me and others that Allah is Merciful and has rewarded him with Paradise. I doubt if that is unknowable. And i am certain you will never be able to dream about Yahweh and never will you see Him showing mercy, even Jesus who said he will reject you on "that Day".

by frosbel(m): 1:11am

Sweetnecta: you people are going round about. all premises hing on a wrong notion, a wrong statement from john, etc.

can a ghost, if you wish bodiless, formless spirit have a voice, audible voice that can be heard, measured and recorded with audio equipment?

is that the case with your holy spirit, which was never the case before, though this holy spirit mounted Mary to produce Jesus in the overshadowing event. dont forget the leaping event in elizabeth's tummy.



Muhammedian run back to your Kaaba in the ISLAM section and let us alone that we may share deep truths. angry

there is nothing in islam called muhammmedian. silly. islam is the religion of Muhammad [sa] in the very same way it is my religion, too. and why are you angry man? Is it because i am reminding you that formless errant ghost dont have any voice and did not teach or correct the disciples and no way this ghost is the another comforter? truth is burning you, uh? so you have to invoke fake truth so that you ignore reality?

I am sure you know there is a trinity in ISLAM, don't let us start. grin

when will stop and speak the truth? Show me trinity in Islam when you are unable to show it or accept it in christianity?

@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 6:14pm On Sep 07
@ Sweetnecta

Sir, you would notice that I seldom reply your post. No disrespect intended but I find them incoherent and verbose. So, I will side step them for the time being until you are more concise and to the point. I am sorry.

Thank you. I do not write specifically for any individual. but for people who may just come across it and the amber of guidance is kindle. who can imagine Moses [as], the fugitive from the law of Pharaoh, fatherless Jesus [as] from surely unmarried young girl Mary, and fully orphaned Muhammad [as] to be prophets like Adam [as] the first man, created without prior example. these men were even messengers [as], a post higher than prophet-hood.

of course, the messengers of the messenger [sa] you deny have different ways of approach. I am happy that Lagosshia is schooling you, though you may be stubborn to get into. The good news is you are talking, just may be the spiritual light switch will be turned on before it is too late. I hope for you.

you people are going round about. all premises hing on a wrong notion, a wrong statement from john, etc.

can a ghost, if you wish bodiless, formless spirit have a voice, audible voice that can be heard, measured and recorded with audio equipment?

is that the case with your holy spirit, which was never the case before, though this holy spirit mounted Mary to produce Jesus in the overshadowing event. dont forget the leaping event in elizabeth's tummy.

@Free123:

free123: 9:21pm
muslim take ur islam to ur brothers. tell them to stop killing

so you sef no fit ansa am?
when you are to speak what you hear, what does it mean in time of voice, sound, etc?

Can the holy spirit in audible [form of sound]/audio so that he can at least pass that part of the description of the another comforter?


by the way i dislike killing.

I typed some sort of greeting to aletheia.

he read it, because he has sight by his eyes. Then he typed a response.

I read it is the only reason i knew he responded.

If i were standing in front of aletheia or using a telephone, wherein in either case he can hear me speak, sound from my mouth to his ears, instead of printed letters typed out and read by eyesight.

@Aletheia, etc, how did holy spirit hear from God and then speak to man to be able to pass for the another comforter?
did the invisible holy spirit ave audible voice?

is it not one with Yahweh and thereby know the thought of Yahweh and needed not to listen to hear before talking?


I know you guys are running away from the hearing and speaking parts.

Arent you guys making up your own religion, instead of the religion from God wit His Ruling on fasting?

Omo alata and the other guy above, you see how dangerous it is to create your own process of fasting?

God will never burden any soul more than it can bear, the reason fasting is just before doawn to just after sunset.


Please dont kill yourself because ignorance will terminate life for no beneficial reason.

@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 10:45pm On Sep 06
Please stop being funny. What proof? Jesus gave 5 attributes of the comforter, Prophet Muhammad couldn't make even one out of five of the attributes and you say you gave proof? How? 0/5 is not a pass mark oh!

Is audible speech one of them? Muhammad [sa] had a speech people heard. The people were wrong before the were made right by what they heard from him. If audible speech, correcting, making people from disbelief to belief, are parts of the the 5 parts, then Muhammad had all the 3. Then lets talk about leading to all truth, rebuking the world of sins, reminding people all that is true from Jesus, praising Jesus. Each Muhammad [sa] excelled in.

How do you lead to all truth except you let people know the arithmetic of 3 is not 1 and 1 is not 3 and God is not tribal but Universal God, Lord The Creator, Who is 1 and worthy of all worship and no one else is worthy with Him. The greatest sin is the sin of not correctly acknowledging God: making Him a tribal God, making man and ghost out of Him, making Him more than 1 and saying He is non existence or irrelevant.

I ignore the He in the description of the Another Comforter because that will be a male, a gender that Muhammad [sa] belonged. God is neither a male or female. I am assuming that you are talking about the same ghost that overshadowed Mary to get her pregnant, here?

Ironically the Bible does mention Prophet Muhammad. It's in Mathew 7:15-18 Matthew 7:15-20

New International Version (NIV)
True and False Prophets

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

Is any of these about Muhammad [sa] who came 610 years after it was spoken, yet he would not be analyzed as the possible Another comforter, with audible speech when there is a need to correct people from the wrong belief, steering them on the right path and tell them that God is One by the Mercy and in The Name of God? Muhammad [sa] was never a pretender. He started his ministry by telling the truth so much so that so many of his family members rejected the truth and one in particular, Abu Lahab [lana] became his enemy till he died as an everlasting enemy. Abu Lahab was told he will die as a disbeliever 10 years before his death. He was a disbeliever through the 10 years not able to disproof the Quranic verdict upon him. This alone is enough to show Muhammad [sa] was a true prophet of God. The jews will say Jesus was a false prophet because he said God is now 3 according to the NT, even though the same Jesus agreed with OT that God Lord is 1 before. As a Muslim, it was Muhammad [sa] who made me recognize Jesus as a true prophet of God, allowing me to see where both OT and NT agreed and allows me to see where the Bible writers lied upon God, Angels, prophets and prophet Jesus [as]. Muslims are ever struggling to be the exact grapes of Muhammad [sa] vineyard, instead of the christians ever the thorn bushes of the grapevines of Jesus.

19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

When judaism does not bear fruits because it is not from God, it is replaced by christianity which unfortunately came from the people and not from God. Islam is the religion from God on man. God stated it in the Quran. And below are what jews and others say about Islam:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9a6blduFb0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzoMJfJCR0I&feature=related


even an atheist gets in on the act.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrG8ooymBKA&feature=related

so does glen beck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3sjnUecWqY&feature=related



Is there any reason for Jews to choose Yatrib over other places in the middle east as they did at the time they did?

Below is an answer and you could do better research than talking about agriculture for a people who hold so highly in spiritual matters: It must be spiritual, tiarabubu. By the way Raheeq-alMakhtum means SEALED NECTAR.
my name is sweetnecta, because i do not want to bear SEALED NECTAR, which is a description of Muhammad [sa].

Extracts from Raheeq-alMakhtum:

The Jewish traditions spoke of a prophet who would come to/from Yathrib:

The Madinese always heard the Jews say that a Prophet was about to rise, for the time for a new dispensation had arrived. Him they would follow and then smite their enemies as the children of ‘Ad and Iram had been smitten. [Rahmat-al-lil'alameen 1/84; Ibn Hisham 1/429; Za'd Al-Ma'ad 2/50]

The people of Yathrib recognised Muhammed as the prophet the Jews spoke of during their first meeting:

"Of what tribe are you?" asked the Prophet. "Of the tribe of Khazraj," they replied. "Are you the allies of the Jews?" The Prophet enquired. They said: "Yes." "Then why not sit down for a little and I will speak to you." The offer was readily accepted for the fame of Muhammad had spread to Madinah and the strangers were curious to see more of the man who had created a stir in the whole area. The Prophet presented to them an expose of Islam, explained its implications, and the responsibilities that fell upon the men who accepted it. When the Prophet concluded his talk, they exchanged among themselves ideas to the following effect: "Know surely, this is the Prophet with whom the Jews are ever threatening us; wherefore let us make haste and be the first to join him."

They, therefore, embraced Islam, and said to the Prophet, "We have left our community for no tribe is so divided by hatred and rancour as they are. Allâh may cement our ties through you. So let us go and invite them to this religion of yours...". . .

So all of them, Fr0sbel, aletheia, the cartoonist Olaadegbu, etc can tell us how a ghost, God or not spoke audible speech to men, if Jesus was rightly recorded in the Bible.

Was the holy spirit speaking in fashion that his voice was heard or human does?
If Ghost can talk in loud voice, people will remember what they heard. where is anything the Ghost said?

If human speaks without anyone hearing the sound of his speech, he will be miming, like a clown or something like that.

What is the position of your Holy Spirit; a voiceless speaker or has audible voice? What did it correct of any mistake?


Muhammad [sa] heard from God and spoke to people exactly what he heard. Muhammad [sa] spoke in the Name of God.
We have records of what he said; its in The Quran, The Speech of his One God Who is One Lord.

@Aletheia, old chap, how are you and the family?

^^^^ so who is that person that spoke, etc?

Is he a ghost, spirit or a body and soul he [man]? Whats is his name?

How will a he ghostly spirit speak, especially if He is a God, you claim?

is God supposed to listen to God speak, so that he can carry the speech to humans and then repeats it?

What a confusion, if God not the Author of confusion?

Imagine the confusion in this case between God and God when 1 God will talk to God number 2 so that he can merely regurgitate it to man?

^^^^ you seem lost.
The earth and heavens are eternity since each was here before anything in it was made.
each will be here after man, you and all tat will come after you will be long gone.


so let me know where the contradiction is in the Quran.

I will wait to read your weak list.

@Reyginus:

by Reyginus(m): 11:00am

Sweetnecta: @mee234: ^^ What age does womanhood begin, even today?

And when was Aisha [RA} born?

Your answers will determine your ability to be informed.
Then I will inform you, inshaAllah.

Jonathan Ebele Goodluck was born in 1957. So we know he is just 55 at best and not 56 years old yet, even if he was born January 1st, 1957.


This will help you to know how old Aisha was in the year of revelation when Muhammad [sa] was 40 years old.


How old will Aisha [RA] by in the 15th year of revelation?


What year was she 9?

Are you saying it's not in the koran?

I am saying the bold is not in the Quran. You will have to quote for the world to see the verse in the Quran.

Please remember the name and number of the chapter and of course the verse number, too.

@Olaadegbu:

by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:43pm On Sep 04

debosky: I was wondering when Ola would come in with his silly cartoons. grin


You better be careful what you wish for because you might just have it.

how ironic that you posted the below with your cartoon:

Proverbs 30:5-6

New International Version (NIV)

5 “Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Is the writer of the verses saying God inspired that into his heart and not his own view of his own writing, validating himself?


How about this below? Word of God, too? If not absolutely words from God, how do we trust what you said from God, above? Is it not possible that somebody like Paul added and subtracted from the Words of God and try to cover his track by invoking trustworthiness upon himself? Just pay attention.

1 Corinthians 7 verse 25: New International Version (©1984)
Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy.

New International Version (©1984)
I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.


2 Corinthians 1 verses 1 and 2
1 Paul, by the will of God an apostle of Christ Jesus, and Timothy, our brother, to the church of God in Corinth and to all God's holy people in the whole of Achaia. 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

@Frosbel: according to you, Yahweh is Spirit only. But He sits on a chair/Throne.
Holy Spirit is the spirit of Yahweh, that came from Yahweh. So Holy spirit is the second Spirit along with Yahweh, the spirit that sits on the Throne.
Jesus is not a spirit, but a solid body as seen on earth.

But all the 3 are Gods, though you sheepishly say Jesus is only Lord like the british house of lords or just a tag higher.

Is the above correct so far?


Incidentally, Spirit of Yahweh which is the second spirit of Yahweh, the holy spirit is the most junior of the Gods.
It gets interesting when you realize that why would One God have 2 spirits, one higher and the other so junior that human Jesus is its senior in the 3 Gods formula?

But all of these are beside the point of the holy spirit as another comforter.
The another comforter was supposed to hear from Yahweh Who will command him. Then the another comforter will follow the commandment of Yahweh by speaking as in repeating exactly what he heard from Yahweh. He can not add or subtract from it.

In his action of speech and act, the another comforter will correct mistakes; what were the mistakes and what were the corrections?

Lets start from this to truly clarify the Holy Spirit that does not talk as the Another Comforter. What book are his speeches collect and memorialized in?


@all christians; Let us have your proofs.

@Manmacho: God's word, you said above?

What about this: 1Corinthians 7 verse 25

The Revised Standard Version (RSV) reads:

"Now concerning the unmarried, I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion (gnomen) as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy."

Here Paul is qualifying himself as trustworthy. In america, such a self qualification is ground for accusation of lying or something awful to happen. when a person says trust me, watch out.

Muhammad [sa] was accepted by even his enemies as the most trustworthy.


and this : 2 Timothy 4 verse 13

New International Version (©1984)
When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments.

What God needing a cloak for the already cloaked Paul? or scrolls [Jewish], and the parchments.


i intentionally ignore the mundane parts of the NT like the unending once upon a time information or the dead people waking up and going to the city, the end.

@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 10:54am
Hey, make we no derail into why Jesus enter the Koran oh. It was part of your religion to lure in the Christians and get sympathy from the Jews.

One wonders what led the Jews to a specific place; Yatrib [now Madina], an oasis in dirt patch arabia? There must have been a divine reason, a place that finally saw and served as the home and the resting place of the last prophet [sa]. What was it? This is your mission impossible, tiarabubu.

There was NO record of Muhammed or Islam or Muslims in either the Bible or the Torah.

there was No record of Jesus or Christianity or Christians in the Torah or Psalm. Why? When you get why, apply it to your statement.

Interestingly, even manuscripts, for example, the dead sea scrolls dated 408 BCE and 318 CE BEFORE Islam, has no record of Islam, Mohammed or Islam. If blotting out Islam from these books were a conspiracy, the manuscripts found to have existed BEFORE Muhammed or Islam or Muslims should have exposed such conspiracy.

ave you heard the jewish rabbi saying Muhammmadim in the songs of Solomon? You people translated it to "he is together lovely". Think about it.

All we are left with are strenuous efforts from you guys to twist and turn trying to conjure Prophet Muhammed's name into the Bible. If Jesus mentioned a certain Ahmed to come after him, it would have resonated throughout history and would have shown up somewhere and somehow.

Here are your problems:
A}. Moses was told a prophet like him will be raised among his brethren. That statement does not exclude Muhammad [sa]


B]. John was asked if he was Elijah or The Christ or The Prophet. He said none of them. Jesus said John was the greatest prophet born of a woman from the children of Israel. Jesus was born of a woman. Jesus further stated that John is Elijah. How can Jesus made the greatest Israelite prophet, John a man lying or who does not know himself being Elijah? How can Jesus not know that John said he is not Elijah? You see John and Jesus disagreeing with each other?


C]. Jesus said his disciples are people of little faith. So he told them a comforter after him will set records straight because when that comforter arrives, there will be a lie as the norm and this comforter must set things straight by correcting it.

If we do not say more than the above, what will come to mind are in regard to issue a], who really was the prophet if we looked at who is like Moses? We will not find Jesus in this group, or shall we find Paul. Muhammad [sa] is still not excluded being a prophet and a cousin of the jews. In issue b], we must be tempted to ask if Jesus or John or some others is/are wrong here?


Jesus and John could not be wrong or against each other. It has to be others, the Bible scribes who were inspired not firmly and decisively and final by what inspired them, since there are many versions of the Bibles and we ave not settled on a single, worldwide universally accepted Bible for all Christians. finally in issue c], we must find who fits the another comforter after Jesus had left by researching any religious personality who speaks out claiming what he spoke was what he heard from God, correcting, leading, etc even restoring faith in Jesus for the spiritual enrichment of man.


such a man must be a prophet like any comforter before him. Muhammad [sa] fits snugly into each a, b and c. We have the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah and the fact that Islam and not judaism or christianity is the religion of Adam [as] and his righteous wife and household, religion of Enoch, Noah and those who entered the boat with him, relgion of Ibrahim and his family on which agreement and Friendship became reality between he and God, religion of all prophets including the man Jesus [as].

That disseection includes lifting verses out of context, abi?

God is 1 says the OT. NT Jesus says "Oh Israel, your Lord, my Lord is 1 God". NT Paul: "Jesus is Lord, God". How do the muslims lift any of these verses out of context, since they are so direct and elementary?

We have seen that in several instances. If the Bible is corrupt, how can you determine what is true in it?

You determine corruption by what does not make sense, what confuses, in the same sense when somebody tells you lafun from cassava is garri from cassava. They look different, smel different, taste different. Neither can pass for the other.

What makes you think that the very text you lift from it to support Muhammed are true?

if they are not true Quran wins because it maintains that the Bible scribes already changed the truth including misplacing words from its rightful place. I see Muhammadim now he is together lovely.

Such is the incredulity of your contradiction.

We are only humans, if that is true. The Bible should not make mistakes like us the muslims because the holy spirit inspired it, remember? We see Quran as accurate the reason we investigate your Bible and draw out what agrees with the Quran and what the heart can accept within practical and logically analysis.

The Bible is not only my personal inheritance but for all who accepted Christ as he directed do himself in Mark 16:15

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Jesus said he was sent to the lost sheep of the houses of Israel. One would wonder what is a lost sheep here, except those in misguidance, deviants from the original truth. What is the original truth except what was given to Moses, since Jesus said that the laws and prophets before him he came to live and advocated that no one should not live it or advised any to not live it.


After Jesus, Paul came in and made the man Jesus who had to obey what Moses brought, the very God, regardless of what Jesus said about his being powerless, obedience to God, and declaration that Ellah is his God, in the same way The God of all. Paul made Jesus to a liar, elevating him and demoting God to the level of man. Is there any greater confusion?

@manmacho: You never came back to respond to my inquiry about the speaking comforter who is the spirit of truth.


how does the holy spirit, a ghost unseen hears and then tell humans by speech what he heard?

considering this ghost being the God, according to you, and yours, how does this God hears from God and then speaks to man as a messenger what he heard from himself?

it does not make sense.

before Islam Makka, Madina, Taif, etc, the whole of arabia in fact was rag tag of rejected people.
islam ushered them in to the world stage and the whole of islamic world from toledo to timbuktu became the world centers
of learning, economics, politics, literature, culture, etc.

everyone benefited, jews and christians alike.

if muslims had stuck on Islam, holding her all together with both hands, muslims will still be leading the world, today.

and here we are atheists who live for nothing, christians who call 3 1 or 1 3 have mouths to talk.

no religion uplifts except Islam.

@mee234: ^^ What age does womanhood begin, even today?

And when was Aisha [RA} born?

Your answers will determine your ability to be informed.
Then I will inform you, inshaAllah.

Jonathan Ebele Goodluck was born in 1957. So we know he is just 55 at best and not 56 years old yet, even if he was born January 1st, 1957.


This will help you to know how old Aisha was in the year of revelation when Muhammad [sa] was 40 years old.


How old will Aisha [RA] by in the 15th year of revelation?


What year was she 9?

@Omo alata and other christians:

by Omo Alata(f): 10:35pm On Sep 04
They are his daughters. He is giving them away on the same day wink

this is classic.
giving them away?

You are not supposed to give away what is precious like daughters.

Men are supposed to come for them as husbands they want. Not give them away.

@Nakash can you take sledge hammer like jabs?

@truthislight: a wife wants to be let alone? you are immorally naive for calling a grown woman and a wife child.

@frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 8:45pm

Mr_Anony: @frosbel, You got it wrong this time bro


Thanks , we cannot be right all the time, but one thing I am certain off , is that God never meant to confuse us about himself.

Anything of confusion is of the devil.

The Trinity assigns 2 Spirits to God, God himself who is Spirit and the Holy Spirit.

The Trinity also assigns positions in a sort of hierarchy thereby relegating the Holy Spirit who in my opinion is the Spirit of God to the bottom.

Scripture does not support this position, we do not have multiple thrones in Heaven where God sits separate to the Holy Spirit.

God is ONE and so the Jews are bewildered by the Christian stance and view us as Polytheists.

On this one , I beg to differ.

thanks

only the jews? try the radical monotheists, the muslims.

@manmacho:

by manmacho: 1:57pm

Sweetnecta: @Ogoamaka99 and others including frosbel and Olaadebu; How did the Holy Spirit if not a talking Human being accomplished the below function of the another comforter?




Is the maker of that statement in the Bible completely wrong if its a voiceless Spirit instead of a good spirit as in human prophet from God?

Has anything other than man act as prophet or bringer of information to human community at large? Jesus was human. How can he now send voiceless spirit to humans now to speak? What did he say without any voice? What did he teach? What wrong did he make correction on?


what on earth are you talking about, this is so extraneaous to the topic. christainity of God does not have to make sense to you to be true.

stop confusing yourself or make up your mind, if you are afraid your religion is not true

was the another comforter, the spirit of truth expected to hear and speak out what he heard? if this was the case, have I strayed from the topic or it is you who disagreed with Jesus by not recognizing the fundamentals of what the comforter is: a hearing and speaking being?

@Frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 4:01pm

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: 3 Gods, 3 persons. Is this not Trinity that Olaadegbu is talking about that you are at the same time saying does not exist? As much as I say Olaadegbu is wrong. He has something better than you in character He is consistent. He stands on principle, though deficient. You on the other hand stands on nothing. You criticized Trinity yet you are using 3 God persons to argue with me.

Can you run a serious computer program on one hand saying God is Yahweh and there is no other God and Jesus and Holy Spirit are Gods in addition and let me see how you come out?


Jesus is not GOD , I said ONE Purpose with GOD , abi English de hard grin

Is this bold not what each prophet was? Have you read about a prophet running a different purpose from what God commissioned?

Jesus is LORD

like those in the house of lords, the upper chamber of your adopted country's parliament. it has to be that empty.

The Holy Spirit is not another person distinct from GOD, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of GOD.

is Yahweh physical and Holy Spirit, unseen, not physical, hence spirit? You know you cant have 2 spirits now: Yahweh Spirit and Holy Spirit Spirit based on your argument.

You will rope yourself like Id ram soon enough.

@jackbauerballs;

by jackbauersballs(m): 2:45pm On Sep 04

I think you'll find that most people are against the ISLAMIC law which condemns people to DEATH for Blasphemy.

law of a nation, though claims to be Islamic does not mean law of Islam which you find in the Quran. Now get me that death for blasphemy in the Quran.

And that a MUSLIM CLERIC was willing to Frame a LITTLE CHRISTIAN GIRL so that she fell foul of this EVIL law.

That the cleric got found out is irrelevant, the FACT remains that anybody found guilty of Blasphemy against ISLAM in Pakistan must DIE.

THIS is why people are outraged.

as bad as pakistan is there is that somebody who thought it Godly to expose the insidious and vile act of the cleric. It is rather amusing and ignorant to term the effort of honesty irrelevant.

in the USA, honesty is sometimes frowned upon or rewarded. the whistle blower exposes the wall of silence and could be shunned. the one who defends people wrongly accused has done the same thing and he is called a hero, never is either effort considered irrelevant.