Wbuser21:
Your stupidity preceds you

been searching for this video. thanks for bringing it forward for me since 2018.

jellea:
Sometimes I wonder how you guys got you're brains.. above simply means that mostly Igbos were captured during slavery. Why was it calles ibo slaves instead of just ibo? Imagine these are the people I share this country with. I'm glad rest of Nigerians are beginning to see what you people are 😂.

You are not even ashamed of what your ancestors did. Just like Arabs occupying Egypt and calling the original owners of the land Nubians. No difference 😂

You’re coping 🤣 It says:

Igbo, Ibo, Slave 😂

jellea:

Is this how you run away? Haha 😂. Dahomey slave solders descendants

yeah, i’m running away from helping you. help urself by bringing the evidence for whatever you type. don’t just type it. prove it.

igbo = slave (typed. also proven below)

jellea:


Listen I'm not here for childish debate. Debunk anything I said with facts, not your usual running around the bush. The people you call Yoruba today migrated from Mali. Before then, igboid people lived across western Nigeria. Igbos are not one people.

The term Igbo is synonym to BUSHMEN. from these same group of people came later kingdoms like igodomigodo, oyo etc. even the origin story of these recent kingdoms always point to this fact. For instance Obatala in. Yoruba and Ere and Iduu from igodomigodo. As you go back in these respective tribes history, you begin to find only igboid names. Why would your ancestors answer Igbo names, but today answer different names if not that they got conquered by people from outside their tribe. In this case, it was Muslims from Mali.

In the south eastern part of the country you can still find undiluted culture of these ancient groups that lived in this hinterland. Why people like you exist is because Nigeria as country is filled with illiterates and people that don't question any fabrications made by modern day Yorubas in the 20th century.

no i’m not helping you with anything. prove what you typed.

jellea:

It's a mistake, ife bronze are 15th century... From 1400 to 1500s. I don't know what you are smoking.

Keep diverting discussion. Prove me wrong with facts

you admitted that you made a mistake & you’re trying correct yourself.

but instead of blame yourself for your own mistake, u told yourself that taking responsibility is abomination in ala-Igbo, hence you should blame me for your own mistake. lmao. u even said it’s my smoke that made u make the mistake. igbos will be homo-sapien 1 day😂

anyway you’re still wrong with ur so-called correction.

Even with your Chinese anology, if you had more Chinese mixed kids than native, what does that make you?? Keep diverting discussion. Prove me wrong with facts

get your falsehood together. is it that:

(1) there is nobody in igboland & igbos came originally later from chinese in china; OR

(2) there’re igbos in igboland & these igbos traded with chinese & the goods reconfigured their genes & some chinese changed magically to igbo & came to Nigeria to join the remaining igbos; OR

(3) igbos married chinese (just like people marry each other from anywhere within or outside Nigeria) & thus chinese have changed & are now igbos; OR

whatever the incoherent jibber-jabber that you wrote is should sha be substantiated with evidence.

jellea:

Isn't ife bronze that of 14th century? What did I get wrong?
How many years has the Igbos traded with Chinese and do they practice their religion or speak their language? Yet we have considerate number of mixed Chinese kids of Igbo ancestry.

In the case of Yorubas, it's been more than 600 years, you practice their religion, and untop of that, they were alot of conquering kingdoms from there. I don't know why you think this is false

https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2022/04/where-are-descendants-of-malians-in.html?m=1

now make up your plastic mind: 1500s or 14th century? (those are 200 years apart dummy 😅).

oh okay, if we allow enough trading time between igboland & china, it would eventually magically prove that igbos are chinese. shebi i said, you’re too stupid to be alive. 😂

jellea:
The equipments used for ife bronze in 1500s was imported through Gao. Alot of Yorubas are Muslims. How did half of you became Muslim if not through western migration and series of conquering. This is long time ago before Fulani migration.

The problem with some of us is that we always try to claim seniority over others, and Europeans know this. They use it to keep Africa divided for long. If you pay close attention, Europeans will never tell the story of your Yoruba civilization without first starting from those area of Mali (linking it with Arab era). Because they don't want to attribute any invention to the so called sub Saharan Africa, nor do they want to agree that West Africa had trade routes eastwards to the Nile Valley (Igbo ukwu glass beads).

And in the beginning I told you that I don't really believe that Igbo language is related to Yoruba. This is mainly because both languages is spoken with different tones etc. there are similar words between them because most territory occupied by modern day Yoruba were conquered territory. They mixed up with the local igboid groups and adopted some of there words.

I'm not saying this to claim superior or whatever, because as I said earlier,Igbos are not from one ancestry. Infact it's just a word like Bushmen of south Africa. Even Igbos call themselves from another clan, onye Igbo.

You may not see this in history books ofcourse because westerners don't want the idea that sub Saharan Africa either developed independently or that they are related to the Nile Valley civilization. This is the main reason.

I'm very sure that they assisted most Yoruba graduates in 19th century in revising lots of history of West Africa. Maybe placing Yoruba at top, but the end game was to make it look like West Africa never invented anything by themselves. It's a long run game. Most Yorubas will understand it later.

Even Eastern Africans are now waking up, and rejecting all the 19th century British history given to them. They have started connecting there oral history. This is not just west Africa thing. This was at the height of slavery. They have to justify the reason for enslaving Africans

what a heap of rubbbbish?🤣

ife bronzes were made in the 1500s? lmao 😂 is it this same brain you use to run your daily activities? 🤦🏾‍♂️

ibos import goods from china, therefore ibos are chinese. you’re almost too stupid to be alive.😂

jellea:


One thing I noticed is that you are acting like we are debating. I'm just telling you facts. You are actually the one jumping from one goal post to another.

I said Yoruba are mainly migrants from Mali and western Africa, via Muslim raids. However the name YA.RI.BA was given by the Hausas.

Benin people enslaved lots of Igbos during Atlantic slave trade, after Portuguese gave them ammunition. Even today there word for slave is IGBON. But that's not the meaning of the name.

Igbo is similar to saying Bushmen as you have in southern Africa. It's referring to ancient group of Africans that have resided in this tropical area for long. Even you Yoruba inherited this world from the inhabitants of western Nigeria when you conquered them. That's why you call bushy areas as Igbo.

What about when you type, you also put evidence? 🤣

jellea:
Y.A.R.I.B.A means deceiver in Hausa. That's what they call. Even nairaland banned the word here . That's why I'm writing it in initials. Yorubas you guys are terrible. 😂

Wait, you said it’s from Hausa language, & I debunked that & you ran to Mali & said it’s from Mali language. I debunked that too & you’ve ran back again to Hausa.

Do me a favour: Please make up your mind. 🤣

Also, bring here the Hausa dictionary where you get it from. If it’s too heavy, tow it. Just help yourself. 😂

By the way.👇🏾😭

Quintessence44:

Of course Dr. Alice Linsley exists, and is a well-known anthropologist.

Don't use my slight misspelling of her name to lie that she doesn't exist, you crooked imbeci.le.

In The EdomItes and the Colour Red, she wrote:


''The Edo and the Edomites are related genetically. These are among Abraham's ancestors who came out of Africa. These were originally river peoples who moved along river systems and mountain ridges (the high places). They dispersed rather widely and settled in different regions including the Tigris-Euphrates River Valley and Southern Europe. Some lived in the red city of Petra, the capital of the Nabataean territory in Edom (modern Jordan).

The Greeks called the Edomites the "Idumea" or red people. Esau of Edom was described as having a red skin tone in Genesis 25:25. He was also described as hairy. Abraham's Ainu ancestors also were hairy and had a red skin tone. Abraham's father was called Tera (Terah) a royal name associated with the Ainu of the Upper Nile. These spread as far as Japan where only about 300 pure-blooded Ainu still remain on the island of Hokkaido. The original name of Tokyo was Edo. Among the Ainu the word "Tera" (Terah) means priest. Abraham's father was Terah, a ruler-priest whose territory along the Tigris River extending between Ur and Haran.

The Edomites of the Bible are related to the Edo or Idu of Nigeria and Benin. The title of their rulers is further evidence. The ruler of the Edo is called "Oba" and the first ruler of Petra was the deified Nabataean King Obodas.''


http://biblicalanthropology..com/2011/09/edomites-and-color-red.html



Demonic liar. You cannot make up your own facts. He sure as hell did.

Anti-African demon you.

AFRICA CIVILISED THE ENTIRE WORLD, AND IF YOU CAN'T STAND TO HEAR THAT, GO JUMP IN A FU.C.KING RIVER.

And what makes the sculptures ''fraudulent'', you school dropout?

You think I carved them myself?

STUPID ANIMAL.

Here are more ''fraudulent'' IMAGES FROM THE EDO PERIOD JAPAN.

I want to see you weeping in agony over ancient African GLORY.

So cry some more, because I will FILL THIS THREAD WITH IMAGES TO MAKE YOU WEEP to your heart's content.

And you can always convince your little maggot head that they are ''fraudulent'', you satanic entity.

EDO PERIOD, JAPAN

yawns! 🥱

we’re getting somewhere sha. you will renounce fraud when i’m done with you. now, 2 points:

(1) you believe i am to blame for your own error. lol😂


now to your new name, dr. alice c. linsley: no where did she refer to herself as doctor, cos she is not, duh.

more importantly, she’s merely an opinion writer for a blog — a freaking blog. stay out of fraud, boy.

there’s simply no book by that title anywhere on earth and she didn’t receive any training for such blogposts.

and she’s smart enough to quickly account for that by saying she’s an independent researcher — i.e. i’m just doing my thing. i have no training for this. lmao 😂

yeah no phd whatsoever from anthropology, etc. nor from any field for that matter. check her linkedIn.

the most she ever was in her life is adjunct professor on ethics. 🤦🏾‍♂️ check her linkedin. lol.

yeah she’s no scholar of anthropology, nor geneticist.



(2) as for Giacomo, i wrote that he sure did not link no Japanese to edo/nigeria.

i was expecting that you will cite publication(s) where he did, lol. you only typed yes he did.

you didn’t cite any publication where he did cos there is no such thing to cite. or is the book heavy to lift?😂

as an addition:
the sculptures you attached (let’s pretend they are all antique) do not prove japanese are linked to bini.😭

how do sculptures with asian phenotypes prove that japanese is linked to edo/nigeria?

are you not able to use your brain, or doesn’t it work?

cc: simbrixton

cheers!

Quintessence44:
Stupid airhead. I just NAMED TWO SCHOLARS from the video. One was a leader of a team of geneticists!

Blasted dunce.

Who cares what an insolent white supremacist riffraff like you thinks?

A video that's got nearly half a million views, and filled with appreciative, insightful comments from all over the world, doesn't need a faceless nairaland cretin's 'approval'.

Especially one who REFUSES TO WATCH THE VIDEO HE IS ATTACKING.

''Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance'' - Albert Einstein

This forum is filled with closet white supremacists terrified about any new information that doesn't fit the colonial narrative of ancient African ''primitive savagery'', and ALWAYS attack such threads as this.

You, their nasty foot soldier, need to go jump in a FCKING RIVER, you dirty little maggot.

Tell the dirty white supremacists who sent you here to explain these sculptures, and the rest of the connections made in the video, or STFU and get lost.

EDO PERIOD, JAPAN

Your performative anger wouldn’t rescue you from me unfortunately, lol.

You extracted 2 names from your video & called them scholar & scientist who linked Japanese to Bini/Edo.

There’s no such scholar as Alice Lindsey. And Giacomo of course didn’t link no Japanese to Edo/Nigerians.

Also, I don’t see how your attached sculptures are not useless in substantiating your fraudulent claim.

Please help yourself another way or somehow. Just do something. Goodluck!

Quintessence44:
Watch the damn VIDEO.

It’s full of references to scholars, or can’t you afford data?

Alice Lindsey who wrote ‘The Edomites and the Colour Red’, stated that the Edos were GENETICALLY RELATED TO THE EDOMITES, and that their descendants migrated to Nigeria after the fall of Jerusalem, and that they migrated also to Japan. There are also references to DNA studies by scientists like Di Giacomo linking Japanese Y-DNA haplogroup DE to NIGERIA.

If you can’t afford data to watch the video, tell me, I will send you money.

Japan’s Mysterious African Heritage


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JD8FTP1cWQ?si=PfGQ3Z36AfYfBg4u

No I’m not gonna waste my time watching a dumb video made by another dummy.

What I will do instead is wait on you to name the scholar & what the scholar said regarding any fictional connection between the Bini & Japan. lol.

You have watched the dumb video, so I guess it should be easy to just type the scholar’s name & his claim.

Help yourself!

Kemetian:
Do you even have a brain?

What do you make of the sculptures you are seeing?

Why do you even need the opinion of scholars to use your own brain and make sense of what you are seeing?

Are you allergic to research and investigation yourself?

Forum of stupid school dropouts.

What else is in your colonised, brainwashed heads apart from self-hate, racial inferiority complex and historical illiteracy?

If those were sculptures of blonde white men, would you be making snide remarks, and calling the OP ‘delusional’?

Hopeless disgrace of a people.

if you were redeemable, i would bother to type up a proper reply. but there obviously can’t be any need.

Enjoy your alternatives reality. But at least you’ve now admitted to having lied about “scholars”.

Cheers!

Quintessence44:
The Edo Period of Japan refers to the years from 1603 until 1868 when the Tokugawa family ruled Japan. The era is named after the city of Edo, modern-day Tokyo. Yes. The former name of Tokyo was EDO.

A growing number of scholars are saying that the ancient EDO PEOPLE of Nigeria perhaps during the time of the mighty Benin Empire migrated to and settled in Japan, and eventually, their heirs established the EDO PERIOD of Japan, which was said to be a highly prosperous era.

Images from the Edo Period of Japan

which scholars? you people have taken delusions to greater heights. 🤣

jellea:
yoruba is from Mali

Your Yoruba is from Hausa LIE expired VERY fast. 🤣

Anyway, there is no language called Mali.😂 Lemme help you. The term ‘Yoruba’ is from Yoruba language.

you did not conquer Edo but IDU. and the name of the kingdom is igodomigodo. and the way you conquered it is not really through war per say but through deceit. you impreganted igbo girl who was the child of the ogiso.. thats was the pretense. your whole extistence lies in decet.

If you like call yourself IDUN (bedbug), na your stress be that. Your ancestors must be really dull and slow if a stranger marched with troops into your land, had a son by one of your women & then he commanded on leaving that the child should rule over your fathers.😂

If that’s not conquest, tell me what conquest is. Your ancestors were terrible weaklings. 🤣🤣

yes yorubas rewrote history from 19th century. thats our topic here. Portuguese docs made mention of spiritual leader EAST of benin and in the later versions of the book, this is was rewritten by Yoruba to mean ife. even ife was an igbo town as well. ododuwa himself said he met them there. why do you have igbo house in ile ife?

19th century? lol 😂 That map I attached is from the 16th century. You said you’ve confirmed the map.

Now guess what!? 16th century comes before 19th.😋

jellea:
Incase you misunderstood me. I'm only referring to the rewriting off historic information in the late 19th century by Yoruba historians.

And you saying I should not blame you, while all you do is propagating the lies. I'm very sure that you are being sponsored to do this.

You know I'm an igbo, and I'm much more smart than you think. I know what you guys can do.

There is a reason Igbos call you betrayals and Hausa calls you Y.A.R.I.B.A, meaning the same thing. It's left for everyone to dig your history properly all the way from Mali.

My ancestors from Ife conquered Benin around 12th century — you already said you know this.

So what did they re-write? Did they say they didn’t conquer Benin? They didn’t deny it nau. They admit it.

Edo dictionaries admits it. The map drawn in the 16th century also show it. So what are you really saying?

None of these was written/drawn by Yorubas. So leave Yorubas out of this.

Igbo call us betrayals? lmao 😂 Why? We agreed that we will let you destroy our land.

Then we later stopped you at Ore, dealt with you and didn’t allow you destroy our land. We’re betrayals. 😂

Y.A.R.I.B.A?? 😅 Hausas say that word does not exist in their language.

Check a Hausa dictionary, or if you are illiterate, then ask any Hausa around you.

✌🏾

jellea:

yoruba the batrayals. i am ashamed of you guys. i dont have any issue with any individual, but you guys are one of the biggest problem in africa for the roles you played in aiding british and portuguese.

you conquered igodomidogo, an igbo civilization and imposed your own son to the throne. now you are using that same bloodline to write edo dictionary. like wtf do you take me for? do you think im a kid? what is a edo? what is edo language? you guys are very shameless .,

I understand your point of view.

I didn’t conquer Benin kingdom, it was my Yoruba ancestors who conquered Benin kingdom & the igbos near there.

So stop blaming me for what my ancestors did.

Simbrixton:
who wrote this book

Bradbury

jellea:
All these you are bringing here is a revision done in later centuries. Do you think you I have time for these local games you are playing. Grow up

the 2 dictionaries are edo dictionaries. (wait, process that for a moment before you continue reading).

also, the map is from the 1500s. what is earlier? 😂

Attah of Igala is far, far greater than the Oba of Benin.

Says who??

Says the desperate Bini revisionists who aren’t actually noticeable even in this corner called nairaland.

But isn’t that a self-defeating position to hold on to?

To them, it is self defeating but better than the truth.

🤣🤣🤣

jellea:
how old are you please? ogane means the great one. im not here for banter stop bringing these yoruba corrupted histories.

and if so, how is the ooni not the great one when the benin call him oghene as you see in their dictionaries?

see file-1 for edo dictionary by agheyisi (1986) & file-2 for bini dictionary by melzian (1937).

jellea:
I just checked and it seems the map is not fake. also ogane there is for benin monarch. thats how they referred to him before they started calling there benin.

no it doesn’t merely seem, it is indeed not. lmao 😅

your second point about ogane is so hilarious 🤣 you had agreed on this thread that the benins of old send
messengers from benin to the ogane requesting that the ogane please confirm the new benin king

but suddenly that the map is verified, the ogane must now be the same benin king who sends to the ogane.

basically the new incoming benin king is in benin and then he sends message to himself living far away that himself living far away should please confirm himself living in benin to become a legitimate king. lmao 😂

doesn’t this sound like crase man talk to you? loool.

anyway the benin term oghene which the portuguese guy transcribed as ogane is not benin king o 😂

see file-1 for edo dictionary by agheyisi (1986) & file-2 for bini dictionary by melzian (1937).

have peace. cheers! 😁

jellea:
The map you shared is fake. I have never seen that map before. even when you look closely, you can tell that it was edited. but why would yoruba be this desperate. its why im getting angry? does it worth it.

Lmao! Why are you ignorant and still arrogant in your ignorance?😂 You have a brain, so why not use it?🤦🏾‍♂️

Name of Map: Tabula Moderna Prime Partis Aphricae

Cartographer: Martin Waldseemuller.

Period: Early 1500s.

Location: Strasbourg
——
Anyone with a functioning brain would first fact check the above details before rushing to reply.

Your next reply would inform me—whether you have simply been ignorant, or you’re an 'agnorant' person.

Go and check the older maps of this region by the Portuguese. you will only see benin. later you start seeing calabar, and other shores , then zamfara, owerre (im even surprised about this). Biafra was in cameroun. i still could not find anything about this kindgom of Biafra. which explains what im telling you about the newer maps just copying the old map and adding their own discoveries to it.

the map would have been correct if Benin was mentioned along side Ife. the editor of that map was so desperate to make such terrible mistake its very shameful what a yoruba would do to feel superior. shame

Show me any map earlier than the one I cited which shows Benin. Just one earlier than 1513 with Benin.

Mind you don’t just bring any map here, you must be able to demonstrate that it is earlier than 1513.

Cheers!

jellea:
Yoruba stop spreading fake news. You guys are shameless. the map is fake and you know it. have a little bit of shame for yourself. The earliest map of poturguese about this area always show benin because thats who they met, and all other maps copied olders ones with new additions. YOu can never have Oni of ife mention without having beninin the map. and im not benin man. You guys have to be honest. Stop al this lies. Even oyo empire waas establiushed after oromiyan conqurred benin.

deceit is in your bloods. lying with no shame. only gods no the lies you guys have told since you were the first to start rewritting these history.

From ife to ibibio in southern nigeria was occupied by igala/igbo/igodomidogo/ijaw subgroups. they are same people except for ijaw. the yoruba of today comprieses of Mali immigrants from Timbuktu and other empires from there. They mixed up with these Igodomigodo stock in western Nigeria and corrupted there language. Thats why you share similar words but speak different language, different tone, different taste.

I will be here waiting maybe you will be man enough to help yourself and provide even one tiny shred of evidence to back-up even one line among all these many lines of wishes & imaginations you typed.

At that point, Nigerians & people in general MAY begin to take you serious — to either debunk what you bring as evidence or accept it depending on whether it is an actual evidence, or if it supports the specific wish you brought if for, or both.

Till then, take it easy with the tears. I no wan hear say tears enter wrong pipe & we lost him. 😂

Christistruth00:
Tao11 long time
You must keep up the good work of History research and Teaching

Yes o! I got busy with other things ni. And it also feels like the job is done here. But I come once in a while.

But Oduduwa was the King of Ile Ife and that simply means Igodo was an Ife Prince

Even if we aren't sure which dynasty he was from

So, if we're going by the received traditions, then we can’t say we are unsure who the "father" of Igodo, or Ogodo, or Obagodo is; or where he's from. See File-1.

The classical received BENIN traditions are very clear that Obagodo is Oodua’s eldest "son" & was from Ife.

On the YORUBA side, Rev Samuel Johnson recorded an account which indicates the exact same thing. It says:

Oduduwa had children, grandchildren, & great-grand children, such as: Ọranmiyan (youngest grandchild) & Alado [a "King of Benin" (the eldest)] amongst others.

It’s obvious from this Yoruba account as well that this pre-Ọranmiyan King of Benin is from Oduduwa’s line.

I do accept that Ife Got some timelines wrong because I myself later found out that Oduduwa and Oranmiyan lived in different periods though Oranmiyan truly descended from Oduduwa

Oral traditions are not expected to have time-lines & details neatly recalled with impeccable accuracy.

In fact if you find such without variations, versions, & inconsistencies of detail; you can be rest assured that what you’re looking at is not oral tradition, but rather some information that has just been carefully cooked in modern times & falsely passed off as oral tradition.

So it has nothing to do with Ifẹ folks but everything to do with how oral traditions work. And that is where a professional historian steps in, to sift the wheat from the chaff & come up with an interpretation of best fit.

So, if we go by the current interpretations of modern historical scholarship, Oduduwa fl 1000 & Ọranmiyan fl 1200 most likely didn’t meet even when the latter is a grandchild of the former as our tradition specifies.

I am still trying to balance out some timelines especially the one that says 31 Ogiso ruled before Oranmiyan git to Benin

Yet the Ogiamien family agreed that Ife and Yorubaland is far Older than Benin and Ife was more Civilized in kingdom building affairs

Lool. The supposed number of Ogisos that reigned at 'Benin' differs from writer to writer. Each writer trying to increase the number just to ground an exceptional antiquity for their kingdom—perhaps into the BCs.😅

But because we are dealing with social memory here, folks of a latter time (e.g. fl 2024) can not possibly say they recollect/remember an event of the past (e.g. ca 1924) better than folks of the past/closer to the event (e.g. fl 1940). In other words, the earliest list collected from Benin social memory in the 1910s/1920s should be more dependable & less dubious than latter ones

The earliest list of Ogiso, published in the 1930s, has 10 Ogisos & they are: (1) Obagodo (2) Ere (3) Orire (4) Akhuankhuan (5)Ekpigho (6)Oria (7)Emose(8 )Orhorho (9) Obioye & (10) Arigho. Two administrators followed.

The 'UNESCO Courier' published this original number even in its October 1959 issue. See File-2 from pg. 13.

Using an average of 13 year length of reign (Sargeant 1984:278), the timespan separating Oduduwa/Igodo’s period from Ọranmiyan/2nd-administrator’s period is in line with Oduduwa fl 1000 and Ọranmiyan fl 1200.

Ibadan Historian Laji Abass says it is generally agreed that at least 93 Obatala dynasty kings ruled Ife before Oduduwa

I’m not sure where he got that from. But I suspect he may have gotten that from an oral annotated king list alluded to by Blier in her 2015 work, & that would be a misunderstanding by him of the real point of the list.

Anyway, Ife couldn’t have had 93 pre-Oduduwa ọbas of the Obatala-line as Obatala fluorished in the same period as Oduduwa . It’s an exaggeration, though Ifẹ had pre-Oduduwa monarchs of which Obatala come to be the last of only one of the pre-existing lineages.

Cheers!

Iykenuwa:
Oduduwa was from a village near Ife (same Ife your fathers admit was a village being attacked repeatedly by invaders until Oduduwa came to save them),became a king

YOU: ”Ife was a village & was attacked until Oduduwa rescue them”.

ME: What’s your source?

YOU: Just trust me. I’m a man of God, I don’t lie.

ME: lmao 🤣

Some people were yet your fathers for hundreds of years claimed he either fell from the sky or came from Mecca.

Debunked in the preceding comment. You’re coping now. So, cope harder!

Now you as a local Jack Bauer have come to correct the error of your fathers, Oshey!

It’s okay that you assumed I wrote those books. You think highly of me. Lol.

Point me to five different sources that mention Oduduwa was from Oke Ara.

ME: How many times must I flog & shame you before it sinks in?

YOU: Five times!

ME: This one has lost shame. 🤣 😂
——
I’m not leaving your neck alone if you don’t cry:

Oduduwa literally means “repository of beinghood”.

Use your money buy book. Now my turn: What does "Ekaladerhan" mean?

If you don’t know it, then that would prove it is not a Bini/Edo term. It must be a Fulani term then.

Cheers 🥂

Iykenuwa:
If he was from Oke Ara, how come your fathers claime the following:

1. He was “from the East”.

2. He came from Mecca.

3. He fell from the sky

I put it to you that yhe Oke Ara claim is false and a modern attempt to change the facts.

Lol.

(1) Oke-Ọra, Ifẹ account did not come after the Mecca narrative.

89 years before a ‘Mecca’ origin of Oduduwa thesis was published by Johnson,

it has already been published that Oduduwa the progenitor of the Yorubas is an aboriginal of Ifẹ.

(2) Oke-Ọra, Ifẹ is in the eastern direction from Ile-Ifẹ, Ifẹ I hope that adds the additional comfort you seek.

(3) On sky, that is also true because for example the following two (John 6:38 Vs. Matthew 2:1) are both true — because they reference two different realms of discourses. See more! 👇🏾

The same Ife traditions which holds a Heavenly origin (from a religious & metaphysical standpoint) for Ogun Oduduwa, Ọbatala, Ọṣun, et al. of course also realize (from a earthly & historical POV) that Oduduwa is an Ifẹ native, precisely from one of the surrounding hills.

That is, while Jesus Christ is Believed from a religious & metaphysical standpoint to have come down from Heaven (John 6:38); he’s also Known from an earthly & historical POV to be from Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1).

While Alexander-the-Great is Believed from a religious & metaphysical standpoint to have a non-human dad, Zeus-Ammon (a deity); he’s also Known from an earthly & historical POV to have another dad, Phillip-II (a human).

Different realms of discourse, hence no contradiction whatsoever.

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I’m not leaving your neck alone if you don’t cry:

Oduduwa literally means “repository of beinghood”.

Use your money buy book. Now my turn: What does "Ekaladerhan" mean?

If you don’t know it, then that would prove it is not a Bini/Edo term. It must be a Fulani term then.

Cheers 🥂

Iykenuwa:

Liars. So a stranger (by all Yoruba accounts) came to Ife with a Yoruba name?

That is like saying Kunta Kinte arrived America as Jackson Wright.

Stranger to Ile-Ifẹ, Ifẹ. From Oke-Ọra, Ifẹ.
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I’m not leaving your neck alone if you don’t cry:

Oduduwa literally means “repository of beinghood”.

Use your money buy book. Now my turn: What does "Ekaladerhan" mean?

If you don’t know it, then that would prove it is not a Bini/Edo term. It must be a Fulani term then.

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Yeah, no one is denying that your little ego is bruised cos “oduduwa” is a Yoruba term and meaning:

“Repository of beinghood”.

Iykenuwa:
You wen no de craze.


What is the meaning of Oduduwa in Yoruba?


Answer let me credit you 20k

Oduduwa literally means “repository of beinghood”.

Use your money buy book. Now my turn: What does "Ekaladerhan" mean?

If you don’t know it, then that would prove it is not a Bini/Edo term. It must be a Fulani term then.

JuanDeDios:

Obatala dynasty. Hmm. Where did Obatala come from?

Obagodo is not from the Obatala lineage actually, but doesn’t change his overall point. Obatala is from Ife.

Where are you from? Just curious!