adeyemikenny5:

Some slept last night and could not wake up again, so God has count you and I among those that witness today.

God opened his merciful eye upon us, we that are sinner but by his grace we are counted for righteous. He came to the world to die for our sins but yet many turned their back against their maker.
so we did not merit today due to our sins but by his mercy we are alive.

Give God the praise and thank him for his protection upon your life.

That is your own belief.

I myself deserve to live.

vedaxcool:

Dude u have been schooled roll over, you claim it is incestous, some states in the US don't see that way, u make a poor case about deformity golpen showed u ur claims are exergerations! What else is remaining? Oh wait, lagosshia schooled u 2 yrs ago yet u come here again with the same failed explanations, if u want to repeat the same crap on different days u should be creative in the very least!

LOGICAL FALLACIES
-Wait, it is so much of an exaggeration that all Arab countries have been pushed to require genetic screenings for all marriages.

-It is so much of an exaggeration that the risks do manifest in real life-

A recent report on births in a British-Pakistani community (where first cousin marriage is very common) demonstrated that first cousin children there were twice as likely to be born with "potentially life threatening birth defects" as compared with the children of unrelated parents

http://gizmodo.com/the-science-of-marrying-your-cousin-1522745684

-Because some states in the USA dont outlaw cousin marriage, it is okay? The risks suddenly disappear?

-Because I am a non-muslim, I therefore support USA-Western Ideoology?

adeyemikenny5: We did not merit to see today but for his mercy we are among the living. All thanks and adoration be unto God. Amen.

@ bold, are you saying the we are supposed to be dead?

You are on your own....I deserve to be alive.

A good example of muslims oppressing fellow muslims;

FEMALE MUSLIM BOXER HARASSED BY FAMILY AND FRIENDS



[img]Ambreen Sadiq is a boxer. She’s a former UK national champion, has her own business teaching students how to box and coaches in her spare time. A play telling her story is being shown at the Edinburgh Festival.
What's more, she’s only 20 years old. Oh, and a Muslim.
Sadiq has faced serious prejudice from the British Muslim community, her neighbours, her school friends and even some members of her family. They have objected because of her religion, her sex - even what she wears.[/img]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11046093/Female-Muslim-boxer-bringing-shame-on-her-family-has-play-at-Edinburgh-festival.html

vedaxcool:

Something you are an expert in, remember what usba said about abdulsleek?

I am not a muslim.

vedaxcool: ^
Hahaha nice one, cousin marriage is legal in many states in the US, like u have stated it is a matter of choice.

Bigurban - "logic"boy -you have had exactly the same discussion with lagosshia where he schooled you, I now came here again and got schooled by golpen, maybe next year u will get schooled by another person on the same topic. keep going in circles.

See frustration!!

Because it is legal in some states in the USA, it stops the risk of having deformed children from being higher?

Mr Two Wrongs make a right

usermane: There are moderates who aren't in support of these oppression of non-muslims by muslims in the name of Islam. But the moderates are often weak in the face of the extremists, they are subject to the extremist who often lead their mosques or schools, organise seminars and prohibit or permit for them. To worsen it, most moderates cannot defend their stance from an Islamic view, they have this defeatist mindset and more often than not believe the extremists are the true muslims keeping the message of God.

Whatever the case, the moderates have to speak out.

Evil prospers when good men keep quiet

Apatheist:
It's a public school, right?

of course. Public schools arent allowed to enforce prayers. The students can pray but the staff or external adults cant enforce the prayers with the students

Apatheist: I don't understand the news.
Did they take the child to the hospital?
If they didn't, but "prayed" for the child to be healed, then I'm with them.

If they prayed in the hospital, I see nothing wrong with what they're doing as long as they do not endanger the child by keeping him from medical treatment.

OP, can you get me another source apart from Faux News?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/19020-school-district-caves-in-to-atheists-bans-sports-team-chaplains


It is not about the injured teen. The schools in that district are known for having staff/chaplains have prayers with their sports teams- which is against the law.


They are just using the injured child to draw sympathy.

Typical ignorant christian.

You copied the one source that distorts the whole story- FOX NEWS.

Empiree:

Actually the whole thing just turned to be "Islamic economics". His initial question i believe was "Islamic Economic Policy".

Emphasis is on bold. Islam definitely has that (both written and oral). No religious text shall you will find discussing specifics: import, export, exchange, tax, loans, security, stock, shares
. The religious policy is a guide on this. Perhaps, Mr. Urban can truly learn by researching sirat of Prophet Muhammad(s) on trade. Trade maybe similar to or a form of micro-economy in those days and perhaps in our time. It's up to us today to embroidering the scope of ayat of Quran on this. It's very silly to be asking for a single "ayah" of Qur'an over this. @Usermane, Urban is playing fool and you fall for it. Qur'an is meant for men of understanding 10:24 not deaf, dump and blind (8:22).

And correct me if i am wrong. Trade conducted in the time of the Prophet(saw) either btw him and others or community at large is no different from macro economic we have today. World population was not 6 billion then. Besides, I gave him videos many of which talked about Islamic economy polices but he turned the other way and looking for solitary ayah. Well, I certainly have no issue with Urban. He's a living truth of Islam's irresistible. He keeps coming to muslim section (for whatever his intention), may Allah guide him. Amin

see frustration!!!

golpen:

you are a very funny man. I don burst your brain!

did you say falsehood? , from a non- muslim geneticist?

hope you read the advantage 'purging' which is a situation where the genes of disorder are exposed and passed out of the genetic pool...

stop fighting yourself! islam has come to stay. it don't matter how much you paint it. your tongue lashing is just a self punishment you inflict on yourself anf your mind.... hoooooobi!

lmao

golpen:

hahahaha! ... this man is sick!

thesmallrural! my friend... this article fyi talks about a 35 year research by a genetic specialist, saying people like you have exaggerated the risks of having deformed children in cousin marriage. it says it only occurs if the couples are carriers of disorders, which is very rare. it says again, according to dr bittles that for over 90% of cousin marriages, the risk of having deformed offsping is the same as for regular marriages .

so what do you want mr man?

The bold is taqiuyyah. Falsehood.

golpen: here is a non-muslim specialist to first cousin marriage, ...

www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-04/nesc-wnm042512.php

read.

Sharrap. Dishonest troll. Why not read the link you put up and then compare it with other scientific sources.

You just look for titles that confirm your preconceived bias rather than reading what they actually say.


That link, just like every other scientific source, tells you that first cousin marriage leads to a higher risk of having deformed children. Inescapable fact

AlBaqir:

Your initial statements were:



You make it sound like Now you are reversing back to First cousin.

I was always talking about first cousin....consanguinity.

undeniableGrace: Sentiments should be put out of this. All around the world, key business modules work best on Public private partnerships with investors putting in funds for the project. Private hands are far better in handling government projects. Kudos to the operators for thinking really smart.

You are gracefully foolish.

Tools like you do not understand the danger of putting all your trust in private companies that will put profit before your welfare.

Secondly, why would a foreign company's logo be on a nigerian document? Is it done in other countries?

AlBaqir:

Give me a reliable statistics that ever linked Hausa's prevalent disorder with cousin marriage.

The only medical warn is to avoid First cousin's marriage.

“First cousin couples are expected to produce a 0.5–1% increase in the frequency of birth defects and genetic problems. In other words, any couple has a 3% chance to have a baby born with a birth defect or genetic disease, but first cousin couples have 4.5–6% risk,”.
~professor of Genetic Medicine Dr Ahmad Sa'id Teebi.

so are we not saying the same thing?

dejt4u:
bros..where u see this?? Dnt create unnecessary arithmetic because of religion.. Islamic religion is nt juvenile deliquency...

That ur arithmetic is jst a mere manipulation.. 'cos it only works because we are in 2014.. Try it nxt yr nd u gonna be disappointed..

Its time for jumat..Jumat mubaraq brethrens

Thank you! I was about to blast the op

AlBaqir:

You know to people like you the fastest so-called scientific fact I can present is the above. You don't need to be scientific to see the offspring of societies where this kind of marriage is common. And you can simply judge the level of children deformity in that environment.

In the Arab world that's most commonest marriage. Hausa are also more into the marriage. Yet NO HIGH RISK OF DIFORMITY.

@ bold,

it is this kind of taquiyyah that turns non-muslims off islam.

The northerners (hausa and other tribes) are actually the worst case in any health issue in Nigeria. You failed on the spot with that!!

You want to talk about Arabs and cousin marriage?

All Arab countries in the Persian Gulf currently require advance genetic screening for all prospective married couples. Qatar was the last Persian Gulf nation to institute mandatory screening in 2009, mainly to warn related couples who are planning marriage about any genetic risks they may face.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#Middle_East_2

AlBaqir:

There's nothing wrong with cousins getting married, scientists say

Risk of babies having genetic defects 'has been overstated'
www.independent.co.uk/news/science/theres-nothing-wrong-with-cousins-getting-married-scientists-say-1210072.html

This is why we have to be careful what you read. Read the whole article and not just the title.


Even a blind man will see that the risk of having deformed babies is HIGHER with first-cousin unions than normal ones. Furthermore, the Asian immigrant population is a great study

Peter Corry of St Luke's Hospital in Bradford estimates that among people of Pakistani descent in the city, 55 per cent of whom marry first cousins, the risk of recessive genetic disorders – the type due to related parents – is between 10 and 15 times higher than in the general population. A 2004 study found that 13 out of 1,000 Asian children born in the Bradford area had inherited recessive disorders, which can lead to disabilitie

You think say we be fool?


Anyone that knows maths know that you're not doing anything special.


It is not a coincidence that we are in the year 2014. To get ur age, just minus 2014 from the year of your birth.

note the ending numbers in 114 and 2014.......14.

AlBaqir: First, the culture of marrying one's cousin was not originated by Islam. The practice cut across many culture esp Jewish and Arabian society even it is deep-rooted in European, Asian cultures.

Islam was first established in a society where such practice was prevalent. Islam approved it to be correct but NEVER legislated that practice on other society that dislike the idea.

There are some practices among muslims today that are not "Islam-established" practice but are Arabian culture. Islam refine and modify some, abolished some and left some intact.

Islam as a universal religion of different races and culture respect these diverse cultures so long they are not against the principles of Islam.

I am a Yoruba with a culture of "No-cousin marriage". As a muslim, Islam gave other choice to select outside my cousins. On the other hand, an Hausa man, a muslim, can marry his cousin approved by Islam and his culture. It is however wrong of me to abuse him.

Marrying your cousin is incestous.

It comes with the disadvantage of high risk of having a deformed offspring.

tags; usermane rilwayne01, sissie, Al Baqir, Mazaje, Fulaman198

By the way, selfless and tolerant christianity looks like this

https://www.nairaland.com/1878359/how-christians-faith-shook-atheist

texanomaly:


Wow...where do I start? First, I don't believe Christ and God are the same person. Second, I believe EVERYONE is a literal spirit child of God (Heavenly Father) not adopted. I don't believe in the concept of only Heaven or Hell. I believe in levels (kingdoms).

To be honest I haven't attended any church in almost a year. There are teachings from my religion of birth I still believe. I am having some trouble with the entire package though. I haven't found any church I completely agree with.




It is easy to believe in religious relativism. Any kind of relativism if one thinks about it. It basically relieves one of any responsibility. Any action or belief is acceptable. Does this make one tolerant or just lazy and indecisive? It certainly helps with my belief that almost all churches have some truth.

It is a concept that helps anyone argue their case more easily doesn't it? On the one hand it lets anyone "off the hook" no matter what they believe. On the other hand it is a bit of an oxymoron. Can everyone be right? I guess relatively they can.

So in the end, am I a true Christian in everyone's eyes? Am I a true Christian in anyone's eyes? Lately I'm not much of a Christian in my own eyes.

Will we be judged on how we live or what we purport to believe? If it is the latter, many of us are in big trouble.


Lol...I kind of went off point, but if I'm honest, I just don't care enough about what other think of me or what I believe to put any real effort into a religious debate. I guess that makes me arrogant. If some wants to know my opinion, don't mind telling them. If they don't, that's ok too.

Spoken from the heart

This is the Texanomaly I like.

usermane:
And they do not stop their mullahs from cursing even bankers that charge fair interest?
Anyway, my economics isn't so good and i 've always thought the muslims claims that zero interest banking is increasingly adopted even in Europe for it massive economic contribution was true.

That is the hypocrisy. Some of their politicians and business men have shares in western companies.

usermane:
IMO, when you say Islamic economics, it is supposed to be a broad term that discusses import, export, exchange, tax, loans, security, stock, shares etc. And so far no one has provided verses or oral traditions that treat these issues specifically.

I was watching a video on a debate about islam and a muslim (Maajid Nawaz) said something interesting,

"While being oppressed, we have become oppressors"


Maajid was relating to the islamophobia muslims face in the West but then it gets reversed by muslims oppressing others eg;

-A muslim woman gets her hijab forcibly removed by a white youth
-A muslim man abuses a white woman (pig, s.lut) for dressing in a dinner dress (exposes arms/legs)

--------------------------------------------------


The interesting question here that should be asked is how much do muslims fight for the other side. It is easy to point out offences against your religion but what about the other side? The other side i.e. when members of your own religion oppress others?


-When did you fight for the muslima who chose not to wear the veil but was forced by her friends and family to wear burkha?
-When did you fight for the apostate youth who is maltreated for leaving islam by his family?
-When did you fight for the human rights of the ahmadiyyah muslim or the other minority muslim sect (eg Quranists)?
-When last did you fight for the muslima who fell in love with a non-muslim and is maltreated by her family?


The worst oppressors of atheists are muslims. By a long mile. Atheists face execution in 13 "islamic" countries by the law if they announce their disbelief. When last did you fight for their human rights?



When last did you fight for the other side? Not just your side when Burkhas are banned or Palestine is bombed. What about the other side?

See slave glorifying Jewish history

frank317:

i dont believe you, i dont want to see you as a lair. but the fact is that so many Christians not do act like this woman. there is no denying that fact the living such a life is part of the christian teachings. but how realistic are they.

The problem with Christianity and many other religions is that they preach love and care for humanity and still counter it, making it difficult to be achieved. Yes, how can love for humanity be achieved when, religious teachings comes with threats (earthly and eternal punishments), calling of unbelivers fools, claiming superiority of belief, asking one not to be equally yoked with unbelievers, making them believe he/she is specially loved by the same God who created every human, thinking he/she is alive and healthy because God loves him more than the dead or sick or because he is sinless (however that is possible, i dont know).

most religions unconsciously promotes selfishness, segregation, self righteousness, harmful superiority complex, hipocricy, deception, forced kindness and projected self hatred.

the fact is that any christian who is able to achieve what the woman above achieve actually took some bold steps away from in-dept religious teachings. Its takes one's personality and learning to achieve love for humanity and not religion or relationship with Christ.

my sentiments exactly.

AlfaSeltzer:

No he didn't. He wanted to intervene with nature which is exactly what that woman is doing.

Hitler wanted to eliminate disabled people

Ubenedictus: if he is the messiah, will it then be arrogant if he called himself what he is?

We should learn from Jesus Christ.

If you are called before a court to prove that you are a messiah, prove it!!! Dont just accept beatings and crucifixion.


Seriously, why is it that Jesus never showed his signs and wonders to high ranking officials so that they believe his message?