Radoillo:


Which Hebrew scripts? The one curious-looking inscriptions which were once claimed to be Hebrew writings have been proven to be a hoax.



Can you post pictures of these Igbo stars of David, and prove that they were used by pre-Colonial Igbo?



Actually this point is destroying your case, not making it. Abraham, the ancestor of the Hebrews belong to a much later age than 3000 BC. If we were here by 3000 BC, then we are most definitely not Hebrews.



What Egyptian Model? What Egyptian Model?



Make up your mind. Are we pre-Abrahamic Hebrew (3000BC, remember?), or are we from the city of David (which the Hebrews didn't capture until about 1000BC, two thousand years later?)



I've seen pictures of this so-called paleo-Hebrew, and it has been dismissed as a hoax.



You have pictures of this throne and this writing? Eri built this throne and wrote that? Bro, Hebrews of Eri's time (the Biblical Eri, that is) wrote nothing in any Hebrew script. They hadn't adopted the Semitic alphabet at the time. If they wrote anything, it would be in Egyptian hieroglyphics.



Which coins have the star of David on them? Anyway, let's assume some coins actually do have the Star of David inscribed on them. Weak-ass 'evidence', still...if I've ever heard one. You might as well say we are Arabs because of the Arabic writing on some of our notes.

Radoillo:


Which Hebrew scripts? The one curious-looking inscriptions which were once claimed to be Hebrew writings have been proven to be a hoax.



Can you post pictures of these Igbo stars of David, and prove that they were used by pre-Colonial Igbo?





Actually this point is destroying your case, not making it. Abraham, the ancestor of the Hebrews belong to a much later age than 3000 BC. If we were here by 3000 BC, then we are most definitely not Hebrews



What Egyptian Model? What Egyptian Model?



Make up your mind. Are we pre-Abrahamic Hebrew (3000BC, remember?), or are we from the city of David (which the Hebrews didn't capture until about 1000BC, two thousand years later?)



I've seen pictures of this so-called paleo-Hebrew, and it has been dismissed as a hoax.



You have pictures of this throne and this writing? Eri built this throne and wrote that? Bro, Hebrews of Eri's time (the Biblical Eri, that is) wrote nothing in any Hebrew script. They hadn't adopted the Semitic alphabet at the time. If they wrote anything, it would be in Egyptian hieroglyphics.



Which coins have the star of David on them? Anyway, let's assume some coins actually do have the Star of David inscribed on them. Weak-ass 'evidence', still...if I've ever heard one. You might as well say we are Arabs because of the Arabic writing on some of our notes.

bigfrancis21:


I'm well conversant with the YDNA make up of Yorubas, with over 90% pointing to sub-saharan african. It is actually the Igbos with about 80% pointing to subsaharan african origin, which leaves the remainder to some possible 'outside' origin. Now the MtDna test results (maternal origin) of the Igbo indicates they share same maternal dna with the Egyptians and Algerians of North Africa.



The DNA results speak for itself.

Radoillo:


How familiar are you with Aguleri history?

What you 'Hebraists' call Obu-Gad was/is actually Obu-Ugam or Obu-Uga, Uga/Ugam being the name of one of the early kings of Aguleri. The name was corrupted only in the last century by people eager to become Jews.

And what the current Ezeora Aguleri (stop calling him the Igbo king as if all Igbos recognise his suzerainty) told CNN is immaterial. Anybody with an agenda can claim anything. His ancestors didn't tell the early colonial anthropologists that they were Jews, rather they spoke of links with the Igala.. Heck, his ancestors were not even aware of a place called Israel. The claims only appeared in the last century...after Igbos became Christian and literate and studied the Bible.

ezeagu:


There are no ancient Hebrew scripts found in Igboland. The 'Star of David' or hexagram, as a simple literally universal shape, is common to almost every culture. The symbol itself wasn't used by Israelites or Judea, it has been popularised in the last 500 years. Carbon dating has found human settlement in Igbo land for thousands of years before 3000 BC, Igbo-cultural settlements have been suggested at 6000 BC. What Egyptian "model"? What other "Star of David"? Evidence of the "Obu Gad" is needed, anyone credible dated this? And again, what does 'Gad' mean in Igbo, why is there no earlier mention in texts on Nri of "Obu Gad"? Why is the name 'Gad' so different from normal Igbo lexicon that does not end words in consonants except 'n' and 'm'? How did Igbo change from an Afro-Asiatic language to a Niger Congo language with no evidence of Afro-Asiatic influence? Why are there no other people in Nri history named Gad? Again, what does colonial minted coins have to do with 'Igbo Jews'?

ezeagu:


There are no ancient Hebrew scripts found in Igboland. The 'Star of David' or hexagram, as a simple literally universal shape, is common to almost every culture. The symbol itself wasn't used by Israelites or Judea, it has been popularised in the last 500 years. Carbon dating has found human settlement in Igbo land for thousands of years before 3000 BC, Igbo-cultural settlements have been suggested at 6000 BC. What Egyptian "model"? What other "Star of David"? Evidence of the "Obu Gad" is needed, anyone credible dated this? And again, what does 'Gad' mean in Igbo, why is there no earlier mention in texts on Nri of "Obu Gad"? Why is the name 'Gad' so different from normal Igbo lexicon that does not end words in consonants except 'n' and 'm'? How did Igbo change from an Afro-Asiatic language to a Niger Congo language with no evidence of Afro-Asiatic influence? Why are there no other people in Nri history named Gad? Again, what does colonial minted coins have to do with 'Igbo Jews'?

ezeagu:


There are no ancient Hebrew scripts found in Igboland. The 'Star of David' or hexagram, as a simple literally universal shape, is common to almost every culture. The symbol itself wasn't used by Israelites or Judea, it has been popularised in the last 500 years. Carbon dating has found human settlement in Igbo land for thousands of years before 3000 BC, Igbo-cultural settlements have been suggested at 6000 BC. What Egyptian "model"? What other "Star of David"? Evidence of the "Obu Gad" is needed, anyone credible dated this? And again, what does 'Gad' mean in Igbo, why is there no earlier mention in texts on Nri of "Obu Gad"? Why is the name 'Gad' so different from normal Igbo lexicon that does not end words in consonants except 'n' and 'm'? How did Igbo change from an Afro-Asiatic language to a Niger Congo language with no evidence of Afro-Asiatic influence? Why are there no other people in Nri history named Gad? Again, what does colonial minted coins have to do with 'Igbo Jews'?

bigfrancis21:


Give me some minutes and I'll post the results for you.

bigfrancis21:


I'm well conversant with the YDNA make up of Yorubas, with over 90% pointing to sub-saharan african. It is actually the Igbos with about 80% pointing to subsaharan african origin, which leaves the remainder to some possible 'outside' origin. Now the MtDna test results (maternal origin) of the Igbo indicates they share same maternal dna with the Egyptians and Algerians of North Africa.



The DNA results speak for itself.

ezeagu:


Actually that's not true, DNA confirms that the haplogroups of Igbo people are the same as those around, e.g Igbo people have no "Jewish" DNA, but African DNA that predates "Jewish" DNA.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2009/04/30/1172257.DC1/Tishkoff.SOM.pdf

ezeagu:


Actually that's not true, DNA confirms that the haplogroups of Igbo people are the same as those around, e.g Igbo people have no "Jewish" DNA, but African DNA that predates "Jewish" DNA.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2009/04/30/1172257.DC1/Tishkoff.SOM.pdf

macof:


this is so lame, why should I hate a people or a country..it's people like you with the problem not Israel
But for you, your mental subjugation to Jews is so visible.

CNN is no authority on African history and genetics

What are you? What country do you come

from? most importantly what ethnicity?

macof:


this is so lame, why should I hate a people or a country..it's people like you with the problem not Israel
But for you, your mental subjugation to Jews is so visible.

CNN is no authority on African history and genetics

What are you? What country do you come from? most importantly what ethnicity?

macof:


You call this codes?

Here's what you have from ur website


How do u feel comfortable with this gross fallacy?
you just pick random Yoruba(and others) names and call them variants of Judah
You didn't even bother to explain how u decode ur "code" and come about such names as variants of Judah

macof:

You do realize Nigeria is new state of different old nations, the Igala nation is over a thousand years old

there's nothing odd about Igbo having their origin in a land that is in modern Nigeria
Nigeria is after all just a geographical area with a government

Radoillo:


How familiar are you with Aguleri history?

What you 'Hebraists' call Obu-Gad was/is actually Obu-Ugam or Obu-Uga, Uga/Ugam being the name of one of the early kings of Aguleri. The name was corrupted only in the last century by people eager to become Jews.

And what the current Ezeora Aguleri (stop calling him the Igbo king as if all Igbos recognise his suzerainty) told CNN is immaterial. Anybody with an agenda can claim anything. His ancestors didn't tell the early colonial anthropologists that they were Jews, rather they spoke of links with the Igala.. Heck, his ancestors were not even aware of a place called Israel. The claims only appeared in the last century...after Igbos became Christian and literate and studied the Bible.

Radoillo:


How familiar are you with Aguleri history?

What you 'Hebraists' call Obu-Gad was/is actually Obu-Ugam or Obu-Uga, Uga/Ugam being the name of one of the early kings of Aguleri. The name was corrupted only in the last century by people eager to become Jews.

And what the current Ezeora Aguleri (stop calling him the Igbo king as if all Igbos recognise his suzerainty) told CNN is immaterial. Anybody with an agenda can claim anything. His ancestors didn't tell the early colonial anthropologists that they were Jews, rather they spoke of links with the Igala.. Heck, his ancestors were not even aware of a place called Israel. The claims only appeared in the last century...after Igbos became Christian and literate and studied the Bible.

Radoillo:


How familiar are you with Aguleri history?

What you 'Hebraists' call Obu-Gad was/is actually Obu-Ugam or Obu-Uga, Uga/Ugam being the name of one of the early kings of Aguleri. The name was corrupted only in the last century by people eager to become Jews.

And what the current Ezeora Aguleri (stop calling him the Igbo king as if all Igbos recognise his suzerainty) told CNN is immaterial. Anybody with an agenda can claim anything. His ancestors didn't tell the early colonial anthropologists that they were Jews, rather they spoke of links with the Igala.. Heck, his ancestors were not even aware of a place called Israel. The claims only appeared in the last century...after Igbos became Christian and literate and studied the Bible.

Radoillo:


How familiar are you with Aguleri history?

What you 'Hebraists' call Obu-Gad was/is actually Obu-Ugam or Obu-Uga, Uga/Ugam being the name of one of the early kings of Aguleri. The name was corrupted only in the last century by people eager to become Jews.

And what the current Ezeora Aguleri (stop calling him the Igbo king as if all Igbos recognise his suzerainty) told CNN is immaterial. Anybody with an agenda can claim anything. His ancestors didn't tell the early colonial anthropologists that they were Jews, rather they spoke of links with the Igala.. Heck, his ancestors were not even aware of a place called Israel. The claims only appeared in the last century...after Igbos became Christian and literate and studied the Bible.

ezeagu:


This kings list of 100 year reigns looks like a fairytale or Lord of the rings or something. The oldest existing kingdom is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emperors_of_Japan and that's from the 6th century BC and there are 125 people in that list.

By the way what does Gad mean in Igbo? And how can there be a 'Gad' in Igbo since Igbo syllables never end in consonants apart from m or n?

ezeagu:


This kings list of 100 year reigns looks like a fairytale or Lord of the rings or something. The oldest existing kingdom is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emperors_of_Japan and that's from the 6th century BC and there are 125 people in that list.

By the way what does Gad mean in Igbo? And how can there be a 'Gad' in Igbo since Igbo syllables never end in consonants apart from m or n?

Radoillo:


Then restrict the Hebrew claims to the Umueri group of communities, as some of us Anambrarians do not acknowledge Eri as our ancestor.

Are you from Aguleri, by the way? I only ask because of the Aguleri kinglist you posted in your reply to my comment. It is substantially different from the one I know; and I don't (for the life of me) understand how one could stretch 30-odd reigns from the present century into the 2nd millennium BC.

bigfrancis21:


It is clear that all Igbo groups did not originate from the same source. The Nri origin of Igboland applies mostly in Anambra state and few descendant communitites in Enugu (i.e Nsukka, Enugwu-Ezike etc) and Delta Igbo (Igbuzo, etc). Imo/Abia people would tell you they did not descend from Nri via Eri but from some where else. If actual DNA tests would be carried out to establish any ancestral connections, no matter how distant they may be, they will be first conducted on Nri males - men from the Nri clan of Anambra state as men pass their Y-chromosome (the male determining chromosome) from father to son to grandson unaltered. Hence the Y-DNA sample of any male picked at random, when tested, would contain an almost preserved copy of his original male ancestor passed down to him from grandfather to father to him unaltered over the years.

The legendary Eri group who settled in Nri may have been an originally Hebrew group that wandered away from Egypt during the time of Hebrew presence in Egypt, when the Hebrews were still originally black, further south and settled in the current Anambra area, where they came in contact with an already existing Igbo-speaking group and over time integrated with the larger community. However, they may have brought with them evidence of their years of stay in Egypt such as Hebrew traditions, Egyptian-like pottery and sculpting i.e. Igbo-ukwu crafts, Igbo Pyramids of Udi which are strikingly similar to the steppe pyramids of egypt - all of which they left behind in Nri and environs and being mnemonics of their time in Egypt. The kingdom of Nri was the Igbo group known to produce priests, who were won't to visit other Igbo areas performing religious rites, similar to the religious roles of the Levite tribe of Israel (the tribe that produced the priests of Israel).

I am not saying Igbos hould claim Jews. It reeks of inferiority. However, there is some possibility that there might be some ancestral connection between ancient hebrews and ancient Igbo of Nri axis. Notice my usage of 'hebrews' and not 'jews'. Modern so-called Jews are not the original hebrews, they are mainly kazahstanis who converted to Judaism in the 12th century. The original hebrews were a black people, as the bible confirms it. Also, science confirms that the first people on earth were blacks, from which other races were born. The bible says that Adam was the first man on earth. He could not have been white since the white gene, which is recessive cannot produce any other race apart from white. However, only 2 black people will come together and produce offsprings that look like other different races. If Adam was so-called white, at what point in the history of man did black people come by? Or are we inferring here that whites are the first people on earth, who gave birth to the black race??

The ancestral connection between Igbos and ancient hebrews isn't inferiority, however it might prove that Igbo are the original form of the Hebrews, before the hebrews mixed up with the persians, etc and lightened over the years.

macof:
Same Eri that lived 3000BC survived till 1000AD
Na wa o

macof:


You are very stuupid to add Yoruba people into your madness.
Shameless dogs like you should be packaged and sent to Israel to fight for his father land..as that is what you believe by faith

Radoillo:


I'm from Anambra and I am not of Hebrew/Jewish descent.