cooljude:
. You expect a boat to capsize at the point it started from. Men you are really brilliant. Most Boats that capsized happened at the center point or far away from Africa because by then the boat would have overdone its design capability,

See that above ?……i just found out you don't even comprehend the bloody article. I just wasted my time. God!

What sort of lazy argument are you putting up, i sifted through more than 14 articles from 2012 till date and all the boats that capsized were always on the Italian side of the shore. How unreasonable can you be ? or are you trying to tell us that Italian coast guards go as far as the middle of the Ocean looking for traffickers boats to rescue ? Did you even read any of the soo many articles all over the net dating from 2012 ? Do you know how many vessels the Italian government would need to cover as far as what you are projecting ? Please don't try to wiggle out of it, Just condemn the act and move on, that's all you are needed to do assuming you are a free enough to do such.

cooljude:
Your argument is not sound. You expect a boat to capsize at the point it started from. Men you are really brilliant. Most Boats that capsized happened at the center point or far away from Africa because by then the boat would have overdone its design capability, it would have faced both internal and external forces and mind you most of this boats were not designed to carry such a large number of people for that kind of voyage. The question i asked was, have you ever heard that any European country torpedoed a boat filled with migrants.

You are slave, andif you raise your children with these mentality they will more accursed than you. So your name will be a shame to whomever knows you. I dare you to condemn then strongly as you did the Africans for trying to flee misery.

delishpot:
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Shame on you for acting like an Animal and may your curses return to you and follow you in 10 folds sir.
Shame on you if you cant proove where I blamed those unfortunate souls for what happened to them.
Shame on you for being filled with anger for no reason
You are a foolish man. You hate development and would rather look for whom to blame for your downfall instead of looking for solutions to your problem.
Shame on you for reading something and be prepared to jump into conclusion just because the fingers point at a race you so detest.
I am not an idiot like you. I like to see facts before talking. Shame on you if you do not show me where I supported abusers over the abused.
You are the reason why Africans are looked at as jokes.
You have crowd mentality. Shame on you if you believe curses instead of action is the best solution to Africas problems. Shame ,shame, shame.
Shame on you if you have no proof that those boats were sunk on purpose yet you want me to condemn what I have not found to be 100% truth
I pray your curses will follow you anf more should be added. That pit you hqve dug, may you fall into it sooner than you expect Sir.

Slave! Slave of the most disgusting order!

AhmedMustapha:

The action of the Europeans on the Africans if true doesn't need my condemnation before the authorities take a decision on the matter. Secondly If I am to question the legality of the action then both parties are wrong so I will condemn both the Africans and the Europeans for their actions. I don't get the slave-master relationship you are trying to input though

Condemn it yourself, that's all you are asked to do, you have not done that rather you were busy shifting blames and avoiding opposition to your White Masters. Condemn it and you have done your part ! Show the world that you are not a coward slave that can't even protest an openly atrocious act on themselves, if you can say these words " I strongly condemn the atrocious murders of my fellow black man " then you are just a slave.

AhmedMustapha:

Okay so what would you have me do? Condemn the act?(it won't change anything)

Nobody is requesting your acceptance rather his request was that you explain why the last few hundred meters is the most dangerous for those boats, he wants you to to use logic if you have one and condemn what is unarguably an atrocious crime, you have neither applied logic nor have you passed any condemnation. Gambian president that made such remark is not stupiid and you do not have more information than he does. why does the boats always capsize a few hundred meters from the shore ?

cooljude:
I disagree with your allegation op. European can do more to save lives but saying that they are sinking boats probably by shooting at them is not completely true. Firstly, those smugglers overload the boats with people without the right safety equipment and precaution. Secondly, they try to navigate at Night without correct equipment knowing fully well that the sea gets rougher at Night. Most smugglers don't really care about their passengers. Except you have a clear factual evidence.

I was expecting you to condemn the atrocities committed by the whites in the same strong words and rancor with which you condemned the FLEEING Africans, and i saw in this long gibberish of yours was a subconscious fear of opposing your Master. A textbook case of Stockholm Syndrome. it not being your first post you still carefully avoided condemnation of MURDER and forcefully maintain your condemnation of TRESPASS. Shame on you if you are a black man and may all your offsprings face same treatment meted on those blacks in you are a white man.

delishpot:


Dear General,
So you read from start to finish and you see where I clapped for the white man for killing my black brothers?
You read what I wrote and all I wrote points to me saying the white man should not be blamed for the deaths if realy it is true that they ………………………….…
That they killed blacks is sad. Ianageable education, ckean homes, organized society and safe haven. These are things we dont need magic to provide in Africa. These are things that the common man will have and be contented with life.

Now look at what a grown man wrote,i am very disappointed. I have seen your posts in other topics and you always make good contributions and quite logical. Now your attempt at tribalism by pushing fallacious and illogical claims made you look, stupiid, immature and stripped of all respect you may had earlier commanded. This is the only reason i avoid tribalist threads, you should learn to do so as well.

SirShymexx:


Lol. You're very funny - who has time to start doing another repetitive discourse about issues that have already been over-flogged? The only reason why I ignored AAguy is cos I doubt he knows much - and he seems decent, and there's absolutely no point wasting time on unnecessary back and forth.

What's he going to ask next? Biafrans killed 10,000 Nigerian soldiers at Abagana, when actually the number of soldiers that were killed at the theatre was less than 200.

Okay, take the answers:

- Biafrans wanted took their war with the North Westwards, hence they couldn't be abated cos if that had happened, they would have lorded over Yorubaland. Ojukwu's letter showed was the real intention was.

- Biafra had as much foreign support as the Nigerian side. The following countries supported Biafra: France, Portugal, Apartheid South Africa, Red Cross, Christian Missionaries, Ivory Coast, Rhodesia (before it became Zimbabwe), Israel, Gabon, Tanzania, Israel, Czechs, and Spain. They had a lot of mercenaries and the Biafran aircraft that bombed Lagos (on multiple occasions) were flown by foreign pilots.

Are you happy now?

Don't expect mature meaningful arguments from these sorts. Hopefully if any tries to answer your questions you will understand my point.

AAinEqGuinea:
wad up, shymexx. I see you're going in kinda hard right now.

Two main questions for you, 1) why not just abate the Biafra land, unless this is domination? The only inconvenience that seemingly comes with the decision is drawing a small demarcation from Nigeria, a small new but meaningful line on world maps.

2) how do you think the biafra war would have played out if not for foreign involvement?

This is just the beginning.

And many Africans believe Prayer is the answer ??

Very sad.

igbo2011:
France is still all over Africa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YT6cotv0YU

Angelou:
FP worthy post

You will never see this in the front page, it's only tribalist and non educative posts that makes front page.

GenBuhari:
These imperialist are the scum of the world.


Either they stop their evil and genocide or the will eventually reap what they sow.


I wonder if they gonna make a cartoon about this also?

All they will ever reap is profits and more profits , better life for there people and more economic and military power as a result.
Aren't we surprised that Africans are dying to go to a smaller country with less mineral resources than their home country, bad weather, bad soil, bad people, bad foods, bad air and BAD INTENTIONS ? please compare France to Nigeria in terms of mineral resources, land mass,available agrarian land, human resources, weather and ecological quality, better foods etc.

Greed can only manifest itself on the a section which it can dominate, Abia state governor and his white friends are Greedy we know , but that is not the point of our enquiry, our enquiry lies on what Abia people did about that , what did Igbo nation do about that because once it becomes accepted in Abia it will institute its legitimacy and can be transplanted to Anambra, they can uproot Main Market, tear it down and build a Mall owned by few whitemen, creating millions of jobless citizens in an instant and having few white foreigners reaping wealth that should be equitably distributed among millions. What has the people done ? that's the question.

GenBuhari:
Zimbabwe

Regarding ur point regarding Abia State, I would respond by saying that the actions of Abia State does not represent cowardice, but greed.

If you want to see whether black men defends their families or land, go to your village and try stealing your neighbour 's land, or messing with his wife or children. Try it then see if you come back here to say Africans are cowards who do not defend their land, women or families.

@GenBuhari……Please show me a black country that successfully carried out a Revolution since 1960 till date ? We all know we have Kleptomaniacs as leaders, it's plain as daylight, we saw these men selling our futures to the whiteman ,it's not even hidden, so what have we done ? The Government of Abia State tore down a whole market that has existed for decades and built a mall for their white Master, what did Abia people do ? Imagine a structure that has been there for decades, nurtured by the community it grew around, a livelihood to hundreds of thousand and a foreigner just came threw them out and dominated the community becoming the sole service provider and throwing the real people who has nurtured that asset into the Forest, now tell me if this is not pure Cowardice ?

We should stop being followers and start being proactive, shun all these religious pacifist bullcrap and start dealing with corruption and you see things straightened out. dump Christianity and Islam period !

Feraz:
Brother easy oh abeg! During this migration crisis, I asked myself - where did we get it wrong? Seeing how those guys are shown daily on TV (even Italians are tired of them) worries me. I mean, why are African leaders like this? Whatever did the followers do to deserve this? People running away from Somalia, Libya etc; it is sad to say the least.

Until we change our mentality and determine in moving this continent forward, we may sadly be stuck begging others to accomodate us in their continent.

Underground:
Reason I can't even partake in threads such as the SOuth Africa xenophobic attacks.

During the Kenyatta issues with ICC, i was trying to explain the same thing in one of threads in Nairaland , you need to see how these ignorant black slaves were defending their white supremacist masters.

There is no race more useless, more weak,more foolish,more cowardly and more ignorant than the Black Race.

black and Red

juman:


Bros, you think so? Where is the figure?

Even if we have very educated nigerians at home and abroad we have bad country with leaders that destroy the country.

We have bad leaders ofcourse, But what right have you to blame the leaders ? what have you done yourself ? How have you fought the supposedly evil leaders that were holding you back from being the next Einstein ?

ololo12:
Wow! I'm surprise. Are you sure Biafran nuclear scientist tried to acquire uranium to build a nuclear bomb?

Yes, there multiple sources for that, British intelligence, Belgian intelligence and Soviet unions KGB, Dr Orji one of the Nuclear physicist that worked in RAP during the civil war attested so. Though the people believe the materials were lost in Portugal but it was actually stolen in Belgium. The story how biafran foreign operators avoided, provided decoys, evaded the pursuing British and American intelligence services all over Europe meanwhile trying to transport a radioactive material to blockaded Biafra will chill your bones, we really have very intelligent guys that can show extreme dedication and patriotism in the face of danger and i am very proud of that.

cooljude:
Do you know that most inventions are made in war times.

95% of American inventions are a product of military industrial complex and CIA Research. The Digital Camera, satellite, personal computers were all by products of aggressive military expansion.

Fulaman198:


The only thing laughable is your brain.

Please, i implore you to ignore that guy,whatever he might post just ignore him.

cooljude:
@ thoth, i like your post most especially the Biafra part. I wonder why Nigeria did not improve on what Biafra achieved during their time.

Britain advised them to disband RAP team(Research and Production). Do you know that Biafran Nuclear Scientists tried to acquire Uranium to build a nuclear bomb, they have already bought the Uranium and the MI6 captured it in Belgium.

totima:
In other words, EXTREME necessity would be the mother of invention especially for post colonial African blacks. And the immediate threat of extinction/panic be the spur that Africans need to break out of this shell. If so, wouldn't it make sense to push Africans to a breaking point to elicit the innovation that we so desperately need?

I am still confused though. In our centuries long war with Arabs and Whites (prior to colonization), why didn't we, in the face of immediate danger, employ the use of scientific ingenuity to extricate ourselves from trouble?

Threat of extermination is necessary not needed to spur development but as i tried to show above that when such threats are present the now dormant capabilities activate themselves which shows we still have these capabilities, it's in our DNA. Colonialism and it's auxiliary systems that maintain African underdevelopment was imposed by force, trauma and under a threat of extermination, for example many towns were wiped out in eastern Nigeria, parents who revolted on the brainwashing of their kids by the white missionaries were imprisoned, miseducation was forcefully imposed, their were killings, duhumanizations,threats,toture and all kinds of barbary used to inflict the subservient self destructive ideology on the subsaharan Africans. Hence a reverse Trauma is needed to forcefully bring the African man out of that mental prison which he fears to exist without. the capabilities he shows are such that are inherent in him, he needs no one to show him or teach him ,he knows it already but the Traumatic repression forbids him from using it. his innate capabilities gets active with Trauma because it was repressed with Trauma, just like you can jump from a two storey building if your house is on fire but you can't on ordinary days, if someone asks you to jump for a million dollars you might laugh and promise the person more for him to do the jump.

Egypt lost a War, so was Rome,Ottoman Empire, France(Napoleon), Germany twice. Africans lost in the same category, mind you, some parts of Africa were able to hold Islam in check for centuries. The problem now is that our situation is so bad we can't even free our minds talk less freeing ourselves physically.

totima:


But are there no individual geniuses to that are examples?

We have so many musicians, artists, writers, activists, businessmen today.

These are right-brained success stories. Where are our master scientists

Try to understand the problem first, don't grade yourself with criteria that are external to you. example : there are many smart people who worked together to solve the Ebola issue right ? Now find the next Nigerian man(Adult)standing near you and ask him/her the name of just one of them , i can bet all i have that he does not know,maybe you yourself don't have the answer as well. But these guys saved the whole country from annihilation, we all rejoiced but we still don't care or curious enough to know their names nor do we care to add it in the primary school curriculum, but guess what… Mungo Park discovered River Niger and every school kid knows that, meanwhile all the guys that lived along the river NEVER KNEW IT WAS THERE.

totima:


Hi Thoth. I would like a longer answer, if you have the time.

Africans are extremely scientific, with a larger brain mass, higher propensity to develop detailed and enduring solutions to their unique problems. We should all bear in mind the nature by which science exist or to put it simply the vacuum which science fills, most people especially colonized blacks has lost the idea of this true concept of science and one should be made aware of it before any further analysis, simply science is an encompassing definition of all efforts man makes to better his life, either through improving efficiency, eliminating a threat(which includes fellow human enemies by building weapons, biological enemies by creating vaccines and injections, natural threats by building dams,bridges etc) and exploring higher means of experiencing life itself(drugs,religion, superstition).

On this basis one can deduce that any isolated groups Scientific advancement is equal to the level of threat it faces and what constitutes as science is Culturally relative(not geographic) .

Now one will be left with these few but crucial questions:

Do Africans face threats ?
If yes what's the proportion ?
Can we plausibly equate the level of threat to the level of our scientific development ?


The answers to these questions are quite simple but the underlying reasons why those answer are accepted are not that simple, yet those reasons are the single most needed ingredient to spur African Development. Lets try to answer them.

Do Africans face threats : Yes, we do.

What proportion : Threat on Africans(black Africans) can be said to be of the greatest proportion on earth because our own very existence is threatened, we can assuredly say Africans are a facing A Threat of Extermination.


Does our level of Scientific Development equate our threats : No, far from it,rather it can be said that our Scientific Development is inversely proportional to our threat, put simply the Higher our threat the Lower our Scientific Advancement, and vice versa.


Now our last answer may strike many as absurd, contradictory or just plain nonsense, by why so ? Because rationality itself is culturally relative(not geographic) and the rationale by which present Africans makes theirs conclusions is alien to Africans themselves, UnAfrican, colonialy imposed and would never assist the African man to understand his nature and situation, hence such rationale is destructive, should one wonder why Africans of today can best be described as self destructive ?

Let's examine the reason our situation is so. Advancement in science arises when one tries to solve its unique problems and the knowledge of the success, failures and results which were encountered in the process of finding a solution is what constitutes scientific knowledge.


Pre-colonial Africans have this knowledge, by that they were able to devise enduring solutions to their unique problems, they were able to develop technologies that solved challenges they face in their daily lives, they were able to acquire technology from other cultures, modify and implement it in a way that it solves their particular problems. They posses enough curiosity to observe and analyze our solar systems and form relations with planets,stars and their lives, They observed the weather ,analyzed it and created a unique Climatology knowledge base from which their farming seasons and festivities were calculated.That unique quality assures them of the validity of their solutions and they never had the need to seek validation from external source, they were capable of analyzing their problems and defining parameters which can be translated to a solution. If the pre-colonial African in his vast travels all over the continent meets a gun, he can acquire it, analyze and reproduce such technology and even improve on it. The pre-colonial African can adopt policies or systems from other cultures, implement and integrate it in his society in a way that improves it without DISPLACING HIS CULTURE or DISTORTING HIS IDENTITY. Thus he retains the capability to solve its own problem Hence he is Scientifically Capable. A summary of the above is that, the pre-colonial African has the ability to analyze and define his problems. He has the ability to provide scientific solutions to his problems. He has the intelligence and curiosity to seek and acquire technology or duplicate it from other cultures, He also has the ability integrate such technologies into his society in the way that serves his most efficiently independent of any external meddling.


However none of the above qualities are present in the post colonial African, he is neither curious nor industrious enough to acquire technology, he lacks the intelligence to develop his identify rather he takes pride in destroying it. He can't independently define his problems neither can he independently solve it. If he needs 200 rifles he must acquire it externally, he can't duplicate it nor does he understand the reason to. The post-colonial black African simply is no longer an African man but a handicapped Europeanized black man(not a Europeanized African). He has been conditioned to serve and nothing else. He takes pride in consuming, wearing latest sneakers and cars but can't make a sneaker himself. He wants to show off his foreign accent and ashamed of his true heritage, so it's no wonder that all that he is ever truly proud about of his heritage are works accomplished by the Pre-colonial Africans, the same ones he castigates as primitive.


On this end you can see for yourself that the true Africanized man is wholly capable of scientific achievements and the Post-colonial African lacks this ability, post colonial Africans can only show this capability only when the systems which were put in place to perpetuate the colonial mindset is destroyed.
A look back through history will show you that each time the black man is left alone without aid or influence from external powers to find his own solutions he always comes up with extremely commendable scientific achievements , i can show a few well known examples in recent history of the post-colonial African using Nigeria, in 2014 USA in collusion with EU denied to provide Nigeria with Ebola drugs, Nigerians facing a devastating threat which could wipe them out having no external aid or MEDDLING came up with a solution which even rivals that of the supposedly scientifically advanced western countries, keep in mind there is a threat of great proportion secondly there was absence of external aid or Meddling. From 1967 to 1970 Biafrans were faced with the threat of Genocide, with major world powers taking sides with their enemies and aid, they made tremendous scientific advancement in distillation of Hydrocarbons, Guided missile delivery systems, Armoured combat Vehicles, Aircraft part modification and development, Alternative medicine and Humanitarian Crisis response and containment strategies. Again there was a threat of great proportion and there was no external MEDDLING nor do they need anybody's validation to adopt a solution, they acquired, copied, developed and modified existing technologies to solve their unique problems. Surprisingly Nigeria today cannot still match the technological advancement of Biafrans of 1969.


In all ;the true African man is scientifically Capable but the Confused Europeanized Black man is not.
I have tried my best to shorten the post so certain parts of writing might lack sufficient examples or explanation, feel free to point out areas which you need clarification or validation.

totima:
Cc Rossikk, Igbo2011, Fulaman198, Cap28, Thoth, Litmus.

the answer to your question cannot be compressed in just a few lines. Nairaland is not a medium for serious enquires but if i am to answer your question i will say - You are wrong, Black Africans are extremely curious and Scientific people.
If you feel that you need the longer answer let me know.

You don't know how these things work and i won't argue with you on that. Everything looks so simple to you that you are so sure that in every SYSTEM 1+1 =2. Whatever Buhari has in mind, a meeting with a couple of presidents, high ranking officials will expose his inner thoughts, a simple analysis of each meeting, his answers to different seemingly unrelated question and some little details the untrained mind would ignore will tell you all you need to know. Every conversation he has with each of the delegates are analysed. before you start with asceticism and taciturnity let me inform you that Buhari made promises to these people, and i mean promises to accept and carry out very damaging policies(OBJ style) , Tinubu made even more promises and infact gave assurances on behalf of Buhari. I understand that human being can be cunning and harbor ulterior motives that's why till now i have not denounced buhari, instead i choose to wait to see how it all plays out. Till now he has been following their recommendation to the letter but i won't still denounce him. Buhari is not trained on how to beat this form of "friendly interrogation techniques"so even if he is good person they will still get a clue.
Have you ever wondered why prospective US presidents hold interviews but stop talking to TV hosts etc once they become president ? have you ever read an interview of president Obama or Benjamin Netanyahu ? You can't find such things!!
Please try and find a transcript of conversation between a US/Israeli president with a 3rd world president and see that he asks all the questions and answers nothing. Can you tell me why it is so ?

birdman:


They dont need Ouattara for that. One of the advantages of being ascetic is that you are also taciturn. Anything Buhari has in mind, he isnt going to say until he is firmly in power, for good or bad. If you and I are able to deduce Outtara's significance, best believe the Buhari camp does. Btw, Outtara may be a stooge, but he is not an IMF stooge. Not for the purposes of this visit at least. Interesting times