witches, vampires, werewolves are all myths

this story sounds like one of mount zion movies

CaveAdullam:
Lol.

Can you please tell us about the God-consciousness that developed in the brain/mind of humans that evolved from apes?

Which "God consciousness" are you talking about? Or your indoctrinated mind . So someone born in the Netherlands with atheist or gay parents that have never gone to church before also has "God consciousness"?

Why did you say he has mental health issues? Because his belief is different from yours?

CaveAdullam:
what of the GOD you are battling against in your Brain/mind?

Are you projecting what's happening in your Brain/mind?
See a psychiatrist if you are battling something in your mind.

CaveAdullam:
Yes they exist in the movies they were featured.

Next please.

God exist, on the pages of the bible

CaveAdullam:
Until atheists can convicincly tell me how HUMAN KIND THAT EVOLUTE FROM APES OR ORIGINATE FROM BIG BANG THEORY DEVELOPED A GOD-CONCIOUSNESS IN THEIR BRAIN/MIND TO DEFEND OR OPPOSE, not until then, I will keep on believing in the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

And besides what does not exist does not have a name. If God is a supreme being/intelligent designer, with a name called GOD, then definitely, He exists. If the atheist society are against this, then they should provide us with things that DOESN'T EXISTS but have NAMES. By the way, the burden of prove is upon them. Looooooooool.

Thanks.

God bless.

Spider-Man, Iron man, Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Harry Potter all have names. They even have stories. Therefore, they exist

TellBlazer:
Let him try it,it's not by mouth,there is no God we don hear,all the people that pray to God are fools but there is evil spirit.Speak against them or go and fight them,choo choo choo choo choo running mouth na only you go come tale us say you don repaint

fear mongering . Only you believe in both imaginary friends and imaginary enemies. Have you seen an atheist possessed by evil spirit before? It's always in the camp of religious people. What will happen if someone speak against imaginary evil spirits? Bleep them all.

Davoneskay:
You get point @MJBOLT. But it's all biblical tales you have accused. Do same for Islam, Ogboni Confraternity and the likes. Also, criticize witches, marine powers and all terrestrial powers/realms. Voice out your anger against them all. Say to them that they are fake and useless the way you did against Christianity. Mind you, I'm not a Christian. I have no religion but a belief. The belief is LOVE. I also belief in divinity.

They're all fake and useless. Spit on their heads. Thunder fire sango.

malvisguy212:
all religion speak highly of Him.

How does the Ifa priest in my village speak highly of Jesus? or Amadioha worshippers speak highly of Jesus? did they know anything like Jesus before the whites came? warn yourself o

MJBOLT:

god was created by the europeans to control and enslave the world 2000 years ago

depends on the god you're talking about

malvisguy212:
if you are confused about religion, then FOCUS on Jesus, ALL religion reference Him . He is the center of ALL RELIGION.

this should be your first step.

how is Jesus the center of all religion?

Chosen1984:


The sin of Adam Altered GOD' plan for Man.
Everyone have Adam as our Fore Father.

And We Were headed Destruction because of our Fire parents..

But GOD ALMIGHTY Loved us so Much that He hath to Send HIS own Son as the Sacrifice for us ..

What you should do is to Thank GOD for Sending HIS son to die for us..

If JESUS didn't die, You and I will be on Freeway to Hell because we are a product of Sin( Adam and Eve).

Accept JESUS AS YOUR LORD and Savior so you will be Saved!

How can a man's action alter God's plan? isn't God omniscient and omnipotent? How then can what Adam did change God's plan? So Jesus story was an afterthought. I thought he was the original plan.

"Avoid intelligent members" That is the most important point.

The same reason most tv series do not end at season 1 episode 1. The producers have to twist and elongate the stories so as to get many viewers and make more cash. How will it feel if we only have Genesis?

athorello:
Death by the Greek. Slight variations of the word (methuó) were used in your cited scriptures and different from the variation used in John 2:10 (drunk used here isn't the same as drunken used in the other passages).

Bible still didn't outrightly condemn drinking alcohol. But wisdom is profitable to direct. Peace!

Oga, they're the same. Did you even check it? Methuo appeared 7 places in the Greek lexicon NT. One each in Matthew 24:49, John 2:10, Acts 2:15, 1 Corinthians 11:21, 1 Thessalonians 5:7 and twice in Revelations.

The related word to methuó is "Methe" in

Luke 21:34 KJV
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

Romans 13:13 KJV
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Galatians 5:21 KJV
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

DeKen:


Indeed English is pretty hard. Past participle of drink is drunk. So it doesn't really mean being intoxicated.

However based on other portions of the bible l don't believe taking alcohol is sin even though I don't encourage taking strong drinks but that is mainly for medical reasons.

"Drunk" in that passage isn't past participle of drink. Late comer, read the rest of the thread. I don't have to be explaining the same thing all over again.

BabaIbo:


I dey tell you...

I think you're the one that made the Greek translation, right?

The best way to understand the meaning of something is to translate it in the original language (i.e the language in which it was coined)

yes

athorello:


Learn English first, the "drunk" there is the past participle of "drink" like when you've drunk water. Good (expensive) wine, bad (cheap) wine, not necessarily the alcohol content. If I'm to even follow your baseless logic, good wine should be strong wine.

@op, So drink offering was actually Shnapps. Learning everyday. Proverbs is not the law. Common sense even tells you that alcoholism is bad.

I'm a pentecostal but most of you are on over drive. You know Bible more than catholics and JW. I even believe that the wine used for the passover/Lord's super/communion was even alcoholic. Else, how could some get drunk from the communion wine?

Late comer, learn to follow the thread before you jump to conclusion like an elementary school pupil. Your assumption that "drunk" in this passage is the past participle of "drink" is fallacious at best. Let me help you.
"Drunk" in that passage is from the original Greek lexicon, "methuo"

Word: μεθύω
Transliteration: methuó
Phonetic Spelling: (meth-oo'-o)
Definition: to be drunken
Usage: I am intoxicated with wine, am drunk.

It means to be intoxicated. It was used in other places like

Matthew 24:49 KJV
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

1 Corinthians 11:21 KJV
For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

Acts 2:15 KJV
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

1 Thessalonians 5:7 KJV
For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.


All the words in bold are from the same Greek word "methuo". Which means to be intoxicated
Or all the places also mean past participle of "drinking water"?

echibuogwu:
You see how confuse u are now... we should stay away from alcohol in beer and wine but we cam take the ones in medicines and soft drink. OP, u are completely insane.

That's called shifting goalpost. From "don't even look at alcohol" to "alcohol is not bad"

Jutnow:

"when men have well drunk" is different from "when men are drunk". You're the one battling with English here. Let me ask you, what's the past participle of drink?

Shut up, does that sound like modern English to you?

What's the original Greek word translated as "drunk" in that passage? You'll just put your mouth in what you have zero knowledge about.

Original Word: μεθύω
Transliteration: methuó
Phonetic Spelling: (meth-oo'-o)
Definition: to be drunken
Usage: I am intoxicated with wine, am drunk.

That's the original language. Now tell me if the place is talking about past participle of drink

alBHAGDADI:


Open your mouth a d drink a drum of water. Come back and tell me how you felt.

Isa simple sturvs

Water makes you intoxicated?

alBHAGDADI:


I meant to wrote DIDN'T I. That's what confused you . Sorry. Now go back and read my post again.

it doesn't still make sense. You can't be drunk on water or fruit juice. To be drunk on something means to be intoxicated. It's either you don't understand English or you're grasping at straws to win argument.

BabaIbo:



I think say na only me see that "drunk on water" line o... Can water of fruit juice make one lose his/her sense of control?
The op fail to note history.
Op, where did Christianity started from?
Jews or Romans or Greeks or Arabs?

The guy is only grasping at straws. Anything just to make him win the argument.

alBHAGDADI:


@TVSA

Did t I tell you before that the wine Paul was talking about in Holy Communion is not alcoholic wine? He wasn't telling them not to drink alcohol towards getting high. He was actually telling them about the bread and fruit juice used for the Holy Communion.

He simply said they shouldn't think that the bread and fruit juice aka wine was for a feast. I believe the people were disappointed that they were served tiny pieces of bread and very little content of wine. So Paul told them that if they needed to eat and drink like a feast, they can do that on their homes, because the Holy Communion doesn't served such purpose. Simply put, it was not a feast to eat and drink as you like.

So early, Paul wasn't talking about alcohol. Read the passage again in 1 Corinthians 11

I don't understand again o, first paragraph, Paul was talking about alcohol, last paragraph, he wasn't talking about alcohol.
Your writings are not coherent. He was talking about alcoholic wine, you can't be drunk on anything that's not intoxicating, so how did fruit juice now entered the discussion?

samonak:

Here comes the question:

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT ALCOHOLIC CONSUMPTION?

Many religious people believe that God has forbidden any use of alcoholic beverages — that any use of alcohol is wrong and sinful. They claim that the Bible supports this prohibition, just like you claim too. Wine/alcoholic drinks are frequently mentioned in the Bible. If something sinful or beneficial exists about these beverages, then the Bible will show it. What does the Bible really say about wine and alcohol?

WINE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
One of the first mentions of wine in Scripture is by Melchizedek, priest of the Most High God at Salem (Jerusalem) during the time of Abram, whose name was later changed to Abraham. Melchizedek “brought forth bread and wine” for Abram and his companions (Genesis 14:18). Since the scriptures was born out of the Jewish context, it is better we consider the "sitz im leben" (life setting or cultural context) of the words of the scriptures in relation to the Jewish culture in order to aid better understanding. In this vein, language comes into play. From the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), the Hebrew word for wine in Genesis 14:18 is "yayin". This word is used over 130 times in the Hebrew Bible to mean "FERMENTED WINE", not grape juice as you may think. This same beverage (yayin or alcoholic wine), when used excessively, causes drunkenness. Genesis 9:21 says that Noah drank too much yayin and became drunk. Lot also became drunk on this beverage (Genesis 19:30-36), and so did Nabal (1 Samuel 25:36).

Nevertheless, God told his people to enjoy yayin at the yearly festivals (Deuteronomy 14:26). In addition to using wine as a beverage, God also commanded the Levitical priests to include in the sacrifices a portion of wine (yayin) as a drink offering (Exodus 29:40). These scriptural passages make it clear that there can be a right and a wrong use of wine.
Naturally fermented wine is between 10 percent and 14 percent alcohol. Higher alcoholic wines are fortified wines. On special occasions, God even allowed use of what is translated as “strong drink.” This term comes from a different Hebrew word — "shekar" — which is used 22 times in the Old Testament, and refers to alcoholic drinks made from dates and other fruit. The Bible says that God gave wine to make men glad (Psalm 104:15). Why have some people turned this blessing of God into a curse? The answer is that many people do not follow God’s instructions. A blessing of wine was prophesied as a heritage to the chosen people in Genesis 27:28: “May God give you heaven’s dew and earth’s richness — an abundance of grain and new wine (tirosh).” The Hebrew word tirosh, meaning “new wine”. People sometimes conclude that this word means grape juice, or fresh-pressed juice of the vine. However, Hosea 4:11 states: “Old wine (yayin) and new wine (tirosh) take away their understanding." Grape-juice do not possess this effect. Put differently, Tirosh is an intoxicating wine if used in excess.

Having journeyed through the Old Testament, let us take a look at the new Testament.

WINE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
While the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the New Testament on the other hand was entirely written in Greek. Hence, we shall focus our mind on the Greek language in which the New testament was written. John the Baptist did not drink wine (oinos in the Greek) or any other form of alcohol because it was prophesied that he wouldn’t (Luke 1:15). However, Jesus Christ drank oinos (wine) (cf. Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34). Jesus did not preach against the use of wine; instead he drank like most other Jews of his day. He drank wine in moderation. In ancient times it was normally diluted with water for drinking, and was one of the principal beverages at that time — as it is today.

According to the Greek Bible, Jesus’ first miracle was to change water into wine (oinos) NOT grape juice. Some people who preach total abstinence claim that this miracle was to turn water into grape juice. LOL… This is because, they tend to interpret the Scriptures based on their "myopic understanding". Can you imagine a Jewish wedding banquet where everyone drank only grape juice?! (which is very difficult to imagine). The ancients did not have refrigeration or any other method of preventing grape juice from fermenting. On this occasion, Christ turned six jars of 20 or 30 gallons each into wine (oinos). This was no small miracle. This wine was of the finest quality — “You have saved the best wine till now” (John 2:10). At wedding feasts, the hosts normally started with the best wine, and they would bring out lesser-quality wines later.
Jesus gave a parable involving the fermenting process of oinos (alcoholic wine) in Matthew 9:17. At that time, instead of having metal or glass bottles to enclose wine, the skins of animals were used. The fermentation of the wine could burst an old skin, but it would not break a new stretchable skin. Another proof that oinos is fermented wine is the fact that the apostle Paul said, “Do not get drunk on wine (oinos)” (Ephesians 5:18). Paul did not mean to avoid getting drunk on grape juice! Paul instructed Timothy, “Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine (oinos) because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses” (1 Timothy 5:23). He said to use only a little wine, not a whole lot. The purpose of this wine was Timothy’s frequent stomach ailments; small amounts of wine can help some stomach problems.

Some of the Corinthian Christians were getting drunk at the Lord’s Supper (1 Corinthians 11:21). They were using fermented wine, following the example that Christ had set for them. Paul did not tell them that they were using the wrong kind of wine. He simply told them to eat and drink at home, and to participate in the Lord’s Supper in a respectful way. In Romans 14:21, Paul says that it is good not to drink wine or eat meat if it offends a weak brother. He is referring to fermented wine; grape juice wouldn’t offend anyone. The implication is that there’s nothing wrong with the wine in itself, except when it is abused.

However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol, like the beer Pope Benedict XVI (emeritus) drank on his 90th birthday.
Alcohol, consumed in moderation, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of alcohol in moderation is a matter of CHRISTIAN FREEDOM.
If you're weak, then do not consider drinking it. Drunkenness and addiction are sinful; and this is exactly what the Bible condemns.

Above all, I am not proposing that alcohol must be consumed by all; if you maintain that intake of alcohol is bad for you, ok! That is simply your opinion; as pointed out, It is a matter of "Christian Freedom", hence, do not look with disdain on someone who consumes alcohol in moderation or consider him/her a sinner. Besides, not only excessive intake of alcohol is a sin, the bible also condemns gluttony (such as excessive intake of food etc.) Hence, if you consume an excessive amount of soft drinks or other foods, it is also a sin!

I'm sure the guy will still come and say nonsense about this. He'll tell you they were drunk on water or fruit juice

alBHAGDADI:



When they want to be foolish, they rush to the Greek word.

The verse you are trying to counter says Well Drunk. Well is an adjective. As used in John 2:10, it means they have drank well enough, not gotten drunk like a drunkard. I can drink water well enough. But does that make me a drinksrd like those on alcohol?

The word drunken doesn't always mean drunk of alcohol. Don't you understand English? I can be drunken from water. It simply means I have drank enough water. Some of the passage you quoted shows that drunken as used is talking about alcohol e.g Acts 2:15 because people don't usually drink alcohol during the day but at night. But don't people drink water at all times? Yes they do, so we see that the verse speaks of alcohol.

But 1 Corinthians 11:21 speaks of fruit juice type of wine. You can be drunk of fruit juice i.e drink too much of it. This doesn't mean you are drunk like alcoholics. Paul was simply warning the Christians against the idea that the Lord's Supper was an avenue to eat and drink too much. He was simply saying, "go to your house if you want to eat and drink till you are filled. The Lord's Supper is not for such". That's why it's just a tiny piece of bread and small cup of wine that gets served at Holy Communion. This is done to prevent people from thinking the Lord's Supper is a feast.

1 Corinthians 11:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

I've heard something new today. Someone can be drunk on fruit juice? Do you know the meaning of to be drunk on something?

Drunk
verb
past participle of drink.

adjective
affected by alcohol to the extent of losing control of one's faculties or behaviour.
"he was so drunk he lurched from wall to wall"
synonyms: intoxicated, inebriated, drunken, befuddled, incapable, tipsy, the worse for drink, under the influence.

You talked of English when you don't understand simple English or you're playing dumb to win an argument , there's a difference between "drunk" as a verb and as a noun or adjective. When I say I've drunk fruit juice, it's different from I'm drunk of fruit juice. To be drunk of fruit juice doesn't even make sense.

Drunk as a noun or an adjective means to be intoxicated. You even said you can be drunk on water?
English dey hard you? You can't be drunk on anything that's not intoxicating. Stop murdering English language.

I explained English, you played dumb not to know, I quoted original Greek, you discarded it as false. What else do you want?

itsMrIke:
OP will you keep quiet already.

After quoting Deuteronomy 14:26, you are still writing the thrash up there. So the phrase "whatsoever your soul lust after.." means what then. Then to quote context, you are bringing and entirely different book from the bible?

Such brazen display of wanton ignorance and foolery.

I am sure you will say communion wine is grape juice, yet you will ignore the part where Paul admonished the early Christians who get drunk on communion wine while others were yet to partake.

Go read your bible to understand and stop being clever by half.

He'll come and tell you Paul wasn't talking about communion

alBHAGDADI:


No, English is hard for you.

Drunk as used in the passenger is not talking about being drunk to a fault. Remember, Drink, Drank, Drunk... Sink, Sank, Sunk.

Go and study English. The word drunk is mot oy associated to alcohol. If it were, then Jesus was wrong to give the people more of what they were already drunk of.

Mr English man

I thought you know the root word of the words you wrote your epistle about. The word "drunk " was translated from what in the original greek lexicon? I bet you didn't check.

Original Word: μεθύω
Transliteration: methuó
Phonetic Spelling: (meth-oo'-o)
Definition: to drink to intoxication, that is, to get drunk

Other usage in the new testament. Matthew 24:49; Acts 2:15; 1 Corinthians 11:21; 1 Thessalonians 5:7.

Matthew 24:49 KJV
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

Acts 2:15 KJV
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

1 Corinthians 11:21 KJV
For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

1 Thessalonians 5:7 KJV
For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

They all referred to being intoxicated. Even the wine they used for holy communion in 1 Cor 11:21 was alcoholic

John 2:10 KJV
And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

English is hard for some people. What made the men drunk? is it not the good wine they drank? Or you want to tell us the "drunk" isn't intoxication?

wtf is this?