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Computer Market / Re: Hp Pavilion Gaming 9th Gen! SOLD! by usisky(m): 10:10pm On Jan 24, 2020
Great doing business with you,Kulkid. The laptop is as you have posted here. I am glad you made some adjustment to the offer even though it's been sold higher by some others.

I highly recommend this gentleman for those intending to procure similar hardware. Communication was excellent and he was considerate enough to have adjusted the price.
Science/Technology / Re: Design And Build Of A Pure Sine Wave Inverter by usisky(m): 12:39pm On Apr 12, 2017
Hi there OP.

No more updates?
What's the progress thus far?
Politics / Re: Shocking Security Report : BUHARI Has A Terminal Disease- DAILY POST by usisky(m): 5:33pm On Dec 30, 2014
Please someone remind these numb skulls that life and death is not governed by Man. Rather, it's in the 'hands' of the Grand Architect. One who's presumed Healthy and fit to assume that office may not even last a day should the omniscient one chooses. While the one given no chance whatsoever may end up going beyond the predictions of the PERMUTATORS. Please someone tell these corruption ridden, nation wrecking folks to cut this dude(Buhari) some slack...SHIKENAN!!!!

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Politics / Re: Shocking Security Report : BUHARI Has A Terminal Disease- DAILY POST by usisky(m): 5:32pm On Dec 30, 2014
Please someone remind these numb skulls that life and death is not governed by Man. Rather, it's in the 'hands' of the Grand Architect. One who's presumed Healthy and fit to assume that office may not even last a day should the omniscient one chooses. While the one given no chance whatsoever may end up going beyond the predictions of the PERMUTATORS. Please someone tell these corruption ridden, nation wrecking folks to cut this dude(Buhari) some slack...SHIKENAN!!!!

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Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 8:22pm On Dec 18, 2014
Here are Images from the design I did with these devices. Everything was vero boarded. I wired in one circuit a transmitter and receiver pair for a two way communication. I really like to know what's happening at both ends of my units, so I usually employ some sort of handshake mechanism, hence my use of transmitter & receiver pair at both ends. But it was a bit tasking cos I had to resort to using REED RELAYS to switch between the various connection points as my microcontroller had only one serial port and I equally needed to communicate to a PC. A better way would be
to employ more advanced tranceiver RF chips such as NFR24L01+ which uses frequency hopping techniques and also has better data transmission rates...

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Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 7:58pm On Dec 18, 2014
Hi guys..... for those who still want to play around with these devices, here's a way you can confirm if your hardware and software are working
properly. First off, wire the transmitter circuit I posted earlier. Then download a windows(if you used windows OS) serial terminal(search for TERMITE terminal on google). Go to the settings of the terminal and check the box 'hex view' and set also the baud rate to 1200.

Modify the transmitter 'main' function as I have below:


void main(void) //main funciton
{
Init_Sys();
while(1)Sound_Alarm();
}


Replicate the the receiver circuit as posted earlier, but this time, you only need to connect the output of the transistor to the receiver input
of a 'USB to RS232(serial)' converter or if like me you have a 'USB to TTL' converter as shown in the image attached. When all connection are
done and circuits powered, on the windows terminal, you will observe the following data token: 0xAA, 0xAA, 0xA1, 0x01, 0xA2.

If data token is as I have put down, then you can be sure your device is functioning properly. All that is left is for you to re-write your transmitter and receiver code as desired by your intended application. Of course, what I have put down here is meant for those that are already experienced
designers....you can ask questions for clarification. wish you luck...

NOTE: I apologize for posting code to a project, just that I didn't have the time to modify and post relevant portions. But clever designers will find it highly invaluable ....

You can buy this cheap USB to TTL converter online....

Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 7:14am On Dec 12, 2014
RECEIVER CCT.

Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 7:09am On Dec 12, 2014
TRANSMITTER CCT.

I will trim the code down and give a testing procedure using a PC terminal much later.....

Note: The power to the transmitter is design specific. As for my case I needed range and the device is stationed remotely hence my use
of 12v battery. You can make do with 3v or 5v depending on your intended usage. Also, the transmitter receiver pair used is the same one
as that the OP used..

Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 9:53pm On Dec 11, 2014
9free:
I don't why I always run away from PIC Micro-controller families.
AVR all the way!!!!

Hi there......From my experience, all microcontrollers are basically the same. When you gain mastery in one, the learning curve in mastering other
micrcontroller family or variants within the same family becomes narrow. I for the most part design with the AVR micros. But that is not to say
the PIC or any other platform is less powerful. Our choice of using any platform should largely center around:

1)intended task
2) cost
3) availability of design tools
4) manufacturer support etc
Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 9:41pm On Dec 11, 2014
Here's the transmitter node's code:


#include<reg52.h>

#define SYNC_BYTE 0xAA
#define ALARM1_ADDR 0xA1
#define TRIGGER 0x01
//XTAL Value = 11.0592mhz
sfr T2MOD = 0xC9;

//Input/Output pin definitions
sbit LED = P2^0;
sbit AlarmInput = P3^2;

void Send_Byte(unsigned char);
void Sys_BaudRate(unsigned int);
void Delay_Ms(unsigned char);
void Delay_Sec(unsigned char);

//Function prototypes
void Sound_Alarm(void);
void Delay(unsigned int);
//**********************************
void EXT0_ISR(void) interrupt 0 //Interrupt function for processing
{ //Intrusion detection
EA = 0;
LED = 0;
Delay(5);
while(!AlarmInput)Sound_Alarm(); //Confirm that the PIR has a valid
LED=1;
EA = 1; //detection; call the alarm function
}
//*********************
void Send_Msg(unsigned char d)
{
Send_Byte(SYNC_BYTE);
Send_Byte(SYNC_BYTE);
Delay(5);
Send_Byte(ALARM1_ADDR);
Delay(5);
Send_Byte(d);
Delay(5);
Send_Byte(d+ALARM1_ADDR);
Delay(5);
}
//*******************
void Send_Byte(unsigned char c)
{
ES = 0;
SBUF=c;
while(!TI);
TI=0;
ES = 1;
}
//******************
void Serial_Init(void)
{
TMOD = 0x20;
SCON = 0x50;
PCON |= 0x80;
Sys_BaudRate(1200);
ES = 0;
TI = 0;
RI = 0;
TR1 = 1;
}
//****************************
void Sys_BaudRate(unsigned int baud)
{
switch (baud)
{
case 300:{TH1 = 0x40;TL1 = 0x40;break;}
case 600:{TH1 = 0xA0;TL1 = 0xA0;break;}
case 1200:{TH1 = 0xD0;TL1 = 0xD0;break;}
case 2400:{TH1 = 0xE8;TL1 = 0xE8;break;}
default:{TH1 = 0xD0;TL1 = 0xD0;break;}
}
}
//***********************************
void Sound_Alarm(void)
{
unsigned char i;
for(i=0;i<50;i++){Send_Msg(TRIGGER);Delay_Ms(12);}
}
//***************************
void Delay(unsigned int x) //general purpose delay fucntion
{
unsigned int z;
while(x)
{
for(z=0;z<112;z++);
x--;
}
}
//*****************************
void Delay_Ms(unsigned char t)
{
while(t--)Delay(1);
}
//*********************
void Delay_Sec(unsigned char t)
{
unsigned int T=1000;

while(t--)
{
while(T--)
{
Delay_Ms(1);
}
T=1000;
}
}
//*******************************
void Init_Sys(void) //system initialization function. it
{ //all hardware units needed by our design
EA = 0;
Serial_Init();
AlarmInput = 1;
EX0 = 1;
IT0 = 1;
IE0 = 0;
EA = 1;
}
//**************************************
void main(void) //main funciton
{
Init_Sys();
while(1);//Sound_Alarm();
}

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Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 9:34pm On Dec 11, 2014
This is the Receiver Section's Code. I termed it 'Base Station'. I used this in a Wireless Sensor Network Arrangement. I will subsequently give out the schematic and explain the code.


#include<reg52.h>

#define SYNC_BYTE 0xAA //preamble byte for syncing the tx and rx
#define REMOTE_ADDR 0xA0
#define ALARM1_ADDR 0xA1
#define ALARM2_ADDR 0xA2
#define SMOKE_SENSOR1_ADDR 0xA3
#define SMOKE_SENSOR2_ADDR 0xA4
#define TRIGGER 0x01
#define Alarm_Off 0x02
#define Engage 0x03
#define BASE_ADDR 0xA5

sbit LED = P2^1;
sbit Alarm = P2^0;
sbit AlarmKey = P2^2;
sbit RX_PIN = P3^0;

void Sys_BaudRate(unsigned int);
void Delay(unsigned int);
void Delay_Ms(unsigned char);
void Get_Msg(void);
void Send_Msg(unsigned char,unsigned char);
unsigned char Get_Byte(void);
void Sound_Alarm(void);
void Delay_Sec(unsigned char);

volatile bit SenseFlag;

//*****************************
void SERIAL_ISR(void) interrupt 4
{
ES = 0;
Get_Msg();
ES=1;
}
//****************
void Get_Msg(void)
{
unsigned char addr,dat,chk;

RI = 0;
addr = Get_Byte();
dat = Get_Byte();
chk = Get_Byte();

if((addr==ALARM1_ADDR)||(addr==ALARM2_ADDR))
{
if(((dat+addr)==chk)&&(SenseFlag==1))Sound_Alarm();
else if(SenseFlag==0)(Alarm=0);
}
else if(addr==REMOTE_ADDR)
{
if((dat+addr)==chk)
{
if(dat==Engage)
{
SenseFlag=~SenseFlag;
if(SenseFlag==1)
{
Alarm=1;
Delay_Sec(1);
Alarm=0;
Delay_Sec(1);
Alarm=1;
Delay_Sec(1);
Alarm=0;
}
else {Alarm=1;Delay_Sec(1);}
}
else if(dat==Alarm_Off){Alarm=0;Delay_Sec(1);}
}

}
else if((addr==SMOKE_SENSOR1_ADDR)||(addr==SMOKE_SENSOR2_ADDR)){;}
}
//**********************
unsigned char Get_Byte(void)
{
while(!RI);
RI= 0;
return(SBUF);
}
//*********************
/*void Send_Msg(unsigned char DAT,unsigned char ADD)
{
;//Reserved for future sending of SMS to owner.
}*/
//******************
void Sound_Alarm(void)
{
Alarm=1;
}
//******************
void Serial_Init(void)
{
TMOD = 0x20;
SCON = 0x50;
PCON |= 0x80;
Sys_BaudRate(1200);
ES = 1;
TI = 0;
RI = 0;
TR1 = 1;
}
//****************************
void Sys_BaudRate(unsigned int baud)
{
switch (baud)
{
case 300:{TH1 = 0x40;TL1 = 0x40;break;}
case 600:{TH1 = 0xA0;TL1 = 0xA0;break;}
case 1200:{TH1 = 0xD0;TL1 = 0xD0;break;}
case 2400:{TH1 = 0xE8;TL1 = 0xE8;break;}
default:{TH1 = 0xD0;TL1 = 0xD0;break;}
}
}
//***********************
void Delay(unsigned int x) //general purpose delay fucntion
{
unsigned int z;
while(x)
{
for(z=0;z<112;z++);
x--;
}
}
//*****************************
void Delay_Ms(unsigned char t)
{
while(t--)Delay(1);
}
//******************
void Delay_Sec(unsigned char t)
{
unsigned int T=1000;

while(t--)
{
while(T--)
{
Delay_Ms(1);
}
T=1000;
}
}
//*********************
void Sys_Init(void)
{
Alarm=0;
EA = 0;
SenseFlag=1;
AlarmKey = 1;
Serial_Init();
LED = 1;
EA = 1;
}
//*******************
void main(void)
{
Sys_Init();
while(1)
{
LED=~LED;
Delay_Sec(1);
}
}

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Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 9:27pm On Dec 11, 2014
@OP, nice work...

I will offer some tips based on my experience with these little but useful devices.


Hardware Tips:

Range: From the the datasheet of these devices, the power input to the transmitter can be as low as 3v while the the upper limit
is set at 12v-of course with litlte tolerances. The higher the voltage used, the farther the the signal travels. For me, I
power them from 12v-14v source and use a series 2.7v zener diode to reduce voltage to about 10v-12v. This helps guard
against slight voltage overshoots that might drive the transmitter above its limits. It's equally important to use
about 17cm(quarter wave)single core wire as the atenna as this will equally boost the signal range.

Power Management: Because the transmitter data input is active high(the devices use ASK carrier on/off signaling, with carrier on being a 'high' on the
data input), for those who employ serial port for interfacing with the transmitter(others use manchester encoding or dedicated encoder/decoder chips),
it's important to invert the data from the microcontroller using common-collect NPN transistor and feed the output to the transmitter input.
Rememeber that in the R232 signaling, the standby voltage is a high. Feeding this directly to the transmitter means a constant 433mhz/315mhz(depending on which used)
carrier will be continuosly transmitted. This will significantly drain power if the unit is battery operated. Of course, the output from the receiver end is equally
inverted before being fed to the microcontroller.

Also, if one is using a high-end microcontroller, some power management techniques can be employed if the application is especially battery operated.
Put the controller into the sleep mode available. The controller can then 'wake' either by an external interrupt or setup the watchdog timer
to wake it up at intervals before doing the task(s) intended and return to sleep mode afterwards. In that way, you'll only be wasting microamps of
current during sleep intervals.


Sofware Tips:


Range: The range the transmitter can travel can also be enhanced by using lower baudrates for your transmission/reception. Remember from your
wave theory, lower frequencies travel farther than high frequencies because they have longer wavelenghts. Although we are not really talking
about frequecy as such when we talk about baudrate, but yet the principle remains the same. The device is guaranteed to work upto 2400 baudrate.
But during my experimentation with the devices, I have come to settle for 1200 baudrate.

Data Integrity: Because these devices are largely carrier on/off based, it's important to encode the data sent over the transmitter
to ensure a good reception at the receiver. Some people use dedicated encoder/decoder ICs(like Haltek HT12D & HT12E). But why add to the
cost of our design when infact we're using a microcontroller? Heck, let the little machine do the encoding and decoding.

To cut the story short, the receiver at standby has a high input gain and therefore constantly receives 'garbage'(the gazillion and one wireless data flying around)
over the airwaves. It's required to send a consistent(preamble) data pattern to the receiver which now sychronizes it to the transmitter before actual data is sent.
In this wise, data packetization comes in handy. So, the packetization goes thus:

1)preamble(sync byte)
2)address byte(in case of multi-channel communication)
3)actual data
4)checksum(data integrity assurance).

After much experimentation and visualizing the receiver data output on my oscilloscope, I will say, it works perfect when one uses two strings of preamble data.
I prefer using either an "0xAA" or "0x55" becaused of the even distribution of 'ones' and 'zeros' in those two hexadecimal numbers.

I will share my 'C code' with the house. I mostly work with 'AVR' microcontrollers, but in this case, the project I used it for was not too demanding so I used an
8051 microcontroller................
Science/Technology / Re: Electronics Circuit Design From Concept To Implementation by usisky(m): 8:42am On Dec 07, 2014
Hello everyone......

@op.
Are you facing some challenges with your project or what? If this be the case, then I ask you share the problem so some of us with little idea can help. Cheers...


Modified:

Sorry, never read your last post. Good to see you got it up and running...
Science/Technology / Re: Simple PCB Design by usisky(m): 9:33am On Oct 05, 2014
^^thanks much.

I will try research on how to use sulphuric acid in etching pcb.

As for procurement of the pcb board, there's a fellow I get it from in onitsha. The problem is that his one is the cheap type. The board is quite fragile and the copper is a little too thin for my liking. I wish I can get a contact's phone number from you or any other means you can assist me with. I would really appreciate it.

Can I contact you via any means? Email or anything else?

Thanks...
Science/Technology / Re: Simple PCB Design by usisky(m): 3:04pm On Oct 04, 2014
Here is the link: Alternative etchant
Science/Technology / Re: Simple PCB Design by usisky(m): 2:54pm On Oct 04, 2014
^^hi there Mr. nisol.

I read somewhere online that one could use a solution of HCL + Hydrogen peroxide as an economical and effective enchant. It's quite effective as I read from the many testimonies of those who equally experimented with it. And it's economical in the sense that the used solution can be reused over and over again. And of course, it's also more environmentally friendly as compared to the traditional ferric chloride solution.

Can you confirm this. If you've never used this method before, please Google the following "stop using ferric chloride etchant". You'll find the article on the Instructibles website.

Thanks...

PS: iI will appreciate it if I can get a contact that I can purchase pcb material from. Please assist in any way you can. The one I can lay my hands on is not of good quality as the one you have used in the designs you showcased here. Thanks.
Science/Technology / Re: Simple PCB Design by usisky(m): 1:06am On Sep 27, 2014
^^^^^^Thanks so much Man! Appreciate....

I will consider other pcb design options. How can I get a contact that sells the boards? I will specifically want same as the one you use in your designs- they appear to be quite rigid and of good quality too. I reside quite far from Lagos. How can you help a brother out?

---Thanks!!!
Science/Technology / Re: Design And Build Of A 48v 40a Mppt Solar Charge Controller. (version 1) by usisky(m): 11:12am On Sep 26, 2014
@nisol

Peace and thanks for your response.

Yes! I understand that it is "switch mode" technology too. I was just curious to know if you've done designs on "offline" SMPS. I am very much interested in that, hence, my asking.

Your contribution has been immense. I hope some day we'll get to do some designs together.

Thanks Sir.
Science/Technology / Re: Simple PCB Design by usisky(m): 11:00am On Sep 26, 2014
@nisol

Peace and Thanks a lot Sir.

nisol:
(1) keep copper tracks between components as short as possible. This would reduce resistance and stray inductance
(common causes of unwanted results in electronics circuit design)

Yes Sir, I am very much aware of such design rules. The problem is trying to effect that in my PCB designs as I am fairly new to in it. But thanks for the pointer. Greatly appreciated.

nisol:
(2) learn how to use the "ground pour" tool in your PCB design software. It eliminates spaghetti like ground connections in your design
and more importantly it reduces noise due to track resistance and stray inductance.

I don't think I have come across the term "ground pour" before. And I am not too sure what it means, but I have this inkling it refers to the width and layout of the grounding of the system board. I think it is what I see in professionally made pcd designs (including yours too). I will investigate a little about it.

nisol:
(3) if you pcb design software is quite popular, you can visit youtube for tutorial videos. You would be designing like a pro in no long time.
PCB price depends on availability. 4ft by 4ft goes for between =N=3,000 to =N=4,000

I use the ARES software that comes with the proteus suit, And I ain't too sure of its popularity. The videos I have been able to lay my hands on on YouTube do not really have much advance tutorial of how to use the ARES package. But it does appear that the Eagle CAD is quite popular amongst many. I am thinking of switching to a different platform; I solicit your advice on this Sir.

I will like to purchase your kinda copper board of the dimensions you have mention. How do I go about doing that sir?

And I must confess, your design is almost flawless. The layout is impressive. I will like to ask if you could explain how you imprint your top silk on your design. Please shed a little light on it. Also, the etchant you use and how you go about it will equally be helpful.

Thanks again Sir.
Science/Technology / Re: Design And Build Of A 48v 40a Mppt Solar Charge Controller. (version 1) by usisky(m): 11:14am On Sep 21, 2014
Hi Mr. nisol. Really nice design you've done. I really appreciate your input, especially you presentation.

A while ago, I did some research into the workings of the MPPT technique. I read a lot of application notes, notably from manufacturers like Microchip, Atmel and Intersil. But I never really got round to doing any work related to it largely because of other engagements. But with what you have done and presented here, you have just helped sparked my interest in that again. Though, I am interested in SMPS technology in general.

Out of curiosity, I would like to ask: Have you done any work on offline SMPS designs before?

Thank you much much!!
Science/Technology / Re: Simple PCB Design by usisky(m): 10:37am On Sep 21, 2014
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@nisol

Thanks a lot. You're absolutely correct. We need to take the initiative so we can begin to churn out good materials that will be of benefit
to all. Overall, I am quite happy that you've begun something in that direction. Thanks again.

Here are a few images of some PCB works I did. Not very pretty though, I am still learning grin

The first Image is the PCB to the voice Record/playback unit using an MMC/SD card. The second Image is the underside of the PCB. You can clearly see the microSD socket I used. It was hectic designing the footprint. The last image is a vero-boarded design of the same work.


I also want to ask you the price for which you procure your copper board. As in size against cost.

Thank you Sir.[/size]

Science/Technology / Re: Simple PCB Design by usisky(m): 1:11pm On Aug 15, 2014
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Peace Mr. nisol.

You've done a great job with the two threads (MPPT thread and this one) you have so far. It's a commendable thing you're doing....more of it please smiley

I am an Electrical/Computer Engineer. I am also an electronics/embedded systems enthusiast. I would like to believe that i am quite
adept in this area of endeavor, and from the look of things, you are too. I would love for us to use this medium to to exchange ideas and
hopefully, this might spur some individuals to develop interest in this wonderful area of technology.

I wish we had more folks interested in this too. I have made few contributions in the past and i think there are other folks(Israel777, Ikenna and..... ) who made contributions too but who seem to have gone AWOL. If they are reading this, I will appreciate it if they come
on board. Let's come up with product oriented designs to show case what we can achieve to fellow Nairalanders.


@topic

It is nice to see that you design printed circuit boards(PCB) too. I do too but my design is still very amateurish. I use the ARES PCB design
tool that comes with Proteus VSM software. My recent pcb design for my works are :

1) digital voice record/playback with storage on an SD card(did it for a final year university undergraduate).
2) A PIR based Intruder Alarm Unit(Also for an undergraduate's final year project).
3) Pure Sine Wave Inverter unit I have been working on of recent(Personal).

Prior to this, I have been designing my works with prototype boards. I only just got kicking with the pcb designs some two months ago.

I will upload some pictures later.


I have equally built an LCD based digital LC meter with the main code written by me from ground up. It is completely menu driven
and has auto ranging function added to it. I am looking to Incorporate an ESR measurement function to it. I will make this available soon for all to use and tinker with as desired.

I have got some questions for you though:

1) Where do you get you copper board from,single or double sided? And is it the high grade type? Like FR4 fiber glass..
2) What area(s) of electronics do you specialize in? or you go wherever the wind blows you just like I am?


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Islam for Muslims / Re: Misconception: Death For Apostasy by usisky(m): 9:05pm On Dec 31, 2013
cloudstar:

Another one of the copy and paste Muslims. Welcome to the thread!. The context of verses in the Quran is clearly explained in the Hadith and it tells you why. If you want me to engage you, I will be happy to

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copy and paste?! Do yourself a favor: At least try to find out a little about the person you think you want to engage in a debate with...Start
by clicking on my profile.

#Just an advise, Sir!
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Islam for Muslims / Re: Misconception: Death For Apostasy by usisky(m): 8:55pm On Dec 31, 2013
usermane:

Also i recommend three books for you:

1. Hadith: A Re-evaluation
By Kassim Ahmed.

2. The Qur'an: Sufficient as a Source of Islamic Legislation.
By Dr. Ahmed Subhy Mansour.

3. Hadith As Scripture.
By Aisha Musa.

All are available in pdf on google, for free.

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Peace my good friend. Here are the links to some of the suggested books:

1. Hadith: A Re-evaluation- Click
By Kassim Ahmed.

2. Quran, Hadith and Islam: Click

3. Hadith As Scripture. Click
By Aisha Musa.

Will update when i get the other links, God willing...

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Misconception: Death For Apostasy by usisky(m): 8:18pm On Dec 31, 2013
cloudstar:
Since you wanted a verse from the Quran to prove instruction to kill apostates, here you go for your reading pleasure smiley
Surah (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

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Peace MR. I really wish you had been a little patient(or maybe sincere) to have read just a couple more verses following your quotation,
you would've seen the author you (mis)quoted provide you with the context which you never considered....

[Quran 4:89] .....If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

[Quran 4:90] Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.

[Quran 4:91] You will find others who wish to make peace with you, and also with their people. However, as soon as war erupts, they fight against you. Unless these people leave you alone, offer you peace, and stop fighting you, you may fight them when you encounter them. Against these, we give you a clear authorization.


Deduction from the above:

1)A 'go-ahead' instruction was issued to the prophet and his followers to fight a certain disbelieving people. During such encounter,
the disbelievers may be killed(4:89).

2)But who are these disbelieving people? Answer in 4:90
a)they are aggressing people.
b)they fight the prophet, kill his followers and their relatives.

Once they(disbelievers) quit fighting, oppressing and killing the innocent people(prophet and followers)-categorically-God says they
should also refrain from fighiting such disbelievers(4:90).

3)For as long as the disbelievers persist in their old ways of aggression and fighting the innocent folks, the command to be stern towards
them remains valid(4:91)

Another verse to consider:
[Quran 2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.

The crowning verses: Basic Law Regulating Relations With Unbelievers

[Quran 60:8-9] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable. GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.


I hope you understand? Stop reading the Quran upside down(like the people who we're trying to educate here), you can't get the message that way. Peace!!!


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www.masjidtucson.org
www.miracleof19.org
www.quranalone.com

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam And Acceptance Of Interest In Trade by usisky(m): 11:51am On Dec 19, 2013
o.s horlabyC:

Some1 once told me that if one is to live by all islamic do's and don'ts in this our environment,it's gonna be very hard to be successful........

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Peace.

@bold: This is very true my friend. If you go by TRADITIONAL ISLAM in lieu of ISLAM(according to the Quran), you'll face misery,
contempt from people and hardship, as an individual or collectively. My point will become apparent to you if you only took a look at the
condition of the MUSLIMS around the world. Yet, the God in the Quran promises that those who follow HIS message will be successful both in this life and in the hereafter. But the condition of the MUSLIMS(sunni/shiah) around the globe seem to negate what GOD promises. It's either what GOD promises is an illusion, or what God promises is true but that the MUSLIMS are doing something wrong. From my years of experience as human being striving to be closer to GOD, i will opt for the latter.

God's Promise:
[Quran 24:55] GOD promises those among you who believe and lead a righteous life, that He will make them sovereigns on earth, as He did for those before them, and will establish for them the religion He has chosen for them, and will substitute peace and security for them in place of fear. All this because they worship Me alone; they never set up any idols beside Me. Those who disbelieve after this are the truly wicked.

Guaranteed Victory; Here and Forever:
[40:51] Most assuredly, we will give victory to our messengers and to those who believe, both in this world and on the day the witnesses are summoned.



PEACE!!!

www.submission.org
www.quranalone.com
www.masjidtucson.org
www.miracleof19.org
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Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam And Acceptance Of Interest In Trade by usisky(m): 11:16am On Dec 19, 2013
o.s horlabyC:
In Q2 v 275 ,Allah says : "Those who consume interests cannot stand on the day of resurrection except as one stands as being beaten by satan into insanity.............
My question now is ; Does that verse affects muslims working in banks? Because definitely,we all know banking is all about interest (except some Islamic banks of course). Please I need knowledged views on the issue. Jazakumullahu khairan as u comment

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Peace upon you dear OP.

On your question: The idea that the Quran forbids interests is a misconception and a terrible one at that. The word RIBAA as used in the
Quran does not mean just any interest, and often, it's been mistranslated as such just like in the translation you have above. Ribaa means
USURY(excessive interests or interests compounded over and over). Ribaa(Usury) was a common practice during the time of the prophet
Muhammad, where the rich used it to further enrich themselves while enslaving the poor. Here are two verses from the Quran that makes
clear the point i am trying to make:

Usury Prohibited

[Quran 2:275] Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, GOD permits commerce, and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgment rests with GOD. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever.

[Quran 3:130] O you who believe, you shall not take usury, COMPOUNDED over and over. Observe GOD, that you may succeed.


It is an established economic principle that excessive interest on loans can utterly destroy a whole country. During the last few years we have witnessed the devastation of the economies of many nations where excessive interest is charged. Normal interest - less than 20% - where no one is victimized and everyone is satisfied, is not usury.

Interest on bank deposits and interest charged on loans are lawful if they are not excessive (5-15%). Banks invest and their profits are passed on to the depositors. Since all parties are happy and no one is victimized, it is perfectly lawful to take interest from the bank.

There're many more verses clarifying this issue, but the above should give you a clear picture of the point i have made. We need to study
the Quran carefully in order to be able to maximize its application. It is much more than a hymn book to be sung without understanding.

Peace!!
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Religion / Re: For Those that doubt the existence of a supernatural being by usisky(m): 11:14am On Dec 14, 2013
rationalmind:
Except that no one says anything is a product of chance
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You would then agree with me that when something is not a product of 'randomness/chance', it must then, as a natural consequence,
be product of DELIBERATE construction..No?
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Religion / Re: For Those that doubt the existence of a supernatural being by usisky(m): 10:11am On Dec 14, 2013
Mr Troll: there is no contradiction there, except in your brain.

Thanks for the complement......
Religion / Re: For Those that doubt the existence of a supernatural being by usisky(m): 10:00am On Dec 14, 2013
Double post...
Religion / Re: For Those that doubt the existence of a supernatural being by usisky(m): 10:00am On Dec 14, 2013
rationalmind:

Hehehe, and with that same human severely limited knowledge, you claim the universe must have had a creator. Keep shooting yourself in the foot
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We have laws that tell us what is probable or improbable as the case may be. The most advanced creation of man today
is the modern computer. Do you think that given sufficient time and all available materials(silicon etc) needed to put it together, if we simulated 'randomness' by putting this material(silicon et al) in a concrete mixer(not random enough but that will do) for about 16 billion years, do you think after this time elapses we'll have a product as the computer coming outta this 'random' simulated environment? If yes, then explain how. If no, then know that it is in the same vain that RATIONAL minds emphatically conclude that the universe must have had a beginning and therefore a creator. Mind you, this is just a computer which is not even near in comparison to the universe as a whole.

The closest example to the computer is the human brain. And according to logical inference, if subject A(brain) has similar characteristics as
subject B(computer), then, what is in B must be in A. Therefore, if we agree that 'chance' could not bring about the creation of the computer,
then it logically follows too that the brain cannot be a product of 'chance'.[/size]

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Religion / Re: For Those that doubt the existence of a supernatural being by usisky(m): 9:37am On Dec 14, 2013
Mr Troll: ok. So you dont accept the law? But you referenced it?
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Was just trying to highlight the contradiction it poses: Matter exists, yet it said nothing can create it. I think this should trouble any
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