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Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 10:05pm On Sep 26, 2012
Dondbuzor: Thanx for the vb code, I ll take a look @it later!



You are most welcomed! You can tinker with it as you wish.




Dondbuzor: Ve being using mikroC compiler for a long time and am not sure if it supports such features.
And since u know it, tell me how it works. I mean having the compiler to receive ascii characters without looking up d ascii table!



Actually, i don't use MICRO C compiler. Though i've got the AVR version and the 8051 version(i only work with those two Micros). But don't fancy it much. Though it has got more than enough libraries.

@Bold. Your compiler understands what ascii is; it is part of the library.

How does your C compiler understand what this means:

unsigned char TestAscii = 'A'; ?

You can see that the variable has been assigned an ascii character because the compiler know what that is.

In the same fashion, when you receive an ascii character over the serial port; depending on what it's intended for,all you got to do is check against the expected character. e.g

If((TestAscii=SERIAL_IN)=='B'){execute next step here;}

If all you need is to display the incoming character on an LCD for instance, then absolutely no need to look up the received character; just send to LCD directly.

But if for some reason you're sending ascii characters representing decimal integers 0 - 9 , and your controller needs the real value and not the ascii equivalent. All you do is subtract 48 from the received characters. 0 is 48 in ascii.

i.e either you do this: RealVal= AsciiVal-'0'; or RealVal= Ascii-48; same thing.

If you can give me an idea of what applications you work on that require such look up table, may be i can give better explanation.

Computers / Re: Let's Discuss Embedded System by usisky(m): 10:14pm On Sep 25, 2012
ositadima1: @Dondbuzor dats dat is true, but are u fully into these projects, or part time? Is there a thriving market for this kind of projects in nija? Where i stay they have this motor dat pumps water into a tank, the wahala is dat u have to switch it on manually when ever there is light, and of when it feels up, a controller can automate this chore


There are different ways to solve this problem. One way is to use magnetic reed-switches(sensor) arranged vertically across the height of the Tank at various points. A magnet strapped to a floating mechanism aligned close to the reed-switches will indicate current position along the Tank height as it gets filled. Every time the magnet passes along any of the reed-switch point, the reed-switch closes; this is now detected by your micro-controller and action taken accordingly. There are other ways as well:

1)Using a floating mechanism
2)Using a Liquid sensor
3) e.t.c


But all these are intrusive(require contact with medium). Here,i will give you a professional way to implement it. This uses ultrasonic ranging technique. With this scheme, you don't only detect the water level, You can as well tell precisely how fast the water is being pumped and also the exact water height from the base of the Tank. Ultrasonic sensors are positioned at the top of the tank; You use ultrasonic ranging to determine all necessary information. Things you need to know:

1)The Thank Height
1)The Point were the ultrasonic sensor are positioned at the top of the tank

Using simple math, you can get the actual water level,with the Tanks' base as the reference point of measurement.
Normally, you'll need two sensors(Receiver and Transmitter). But there are bi-directional ultrasonic sensors, and this will be best for this design.

As for determining the rate at which the water is being pumped; this is fairly intricate...you'll need to understand how to use ultrasonics in doppler shift velocity estimation. Google is your friend; use it! Detecting presence/absence
of PHCN i would assume is fairly straightforward. Just me 2-Cents!! wink

Computers / Re: Let's Discuss Embedded System by usisky(m): 9:38pm On Sep 25, 2012

Hi all. You can source your electronics components from the following company based in Kaduna: Microscale Embedded. Microcontrollers, Development Boards and Host of other stuffs too.
Give them a try; call, they make deliveries across Naija.

NOTE: I am not affiliated with them. And ain't advertising either!

Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 5:03pm On Sep 25, 2012
Here's the VB code snippet for serial COMM like i promised.If you got any query...am here! Enjoy wink.
see the attached file.





Option Explicit
Dim port_ok As Boolean
Dim sdata As Variant

Private Sub Command1_Click()
send_data (Text2.Text)
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Load()
init_port_list
INIT_SERIAL
End Sub

'*********************************************************
'Fxn: sends data from serial port
'*************************************
Public Sub send_data(ByVal c As Variant)
get_port
If port_ok = False Then GoTo commot_here
MSComm1.Output = Chr(c) 'use this to send decimal integers 0 to 9
'MSComm1.Output = c 'use this to send c as is; int or ascii
commot_here:
End Sub

'**********************************************************************
'Fxn name: INIT_SERIAL
'Global variables affected/destroyed: port_ok
'purpose: initializes the Mscomm. must be called before using serial port;
' You may change the baudrate as desired.however,high baudrates
' may not be possible in emulated serial ports(e.g using usb to R232
' converter on mordern laptops).
'************************************************************************
Private Sub INIT_SERIAL()

If MSComm1.PortOpen = True Then
MSComm1.PortOpen = False
End If

MSComm1.Settings = "9600,N,8,1"
MSComm1.InputLen = 1
MSComm1.InBufferSize = 1024
MSComm1.InputMode = comInputModeBinary
MSComm1.Handshaking = comNone
MSComm1.EOFEnable = False
MSComm1.DTREnable = False
MSComm1.RThreshold = 1
MSComm1.SThreshold = 0
port_ok = False
End Sub
'****************************************************************************
'Fxn name: get_port
'Global variables affected/destroyed: port_ok(boolean).
'purpose: attempts to open the serial port number selected by the combobox if
' not already opne.
'******************************************************************************

Public Sub get_port()
If port_ok = True Then GoTo get_off
On Error GoTo error_select
MSComm1.CommPort = Val(Combo1.Text)
MSComm1.PortOpen = True
port_ok = True
GoTo get_off

error_select:
MsgBox ("ERROR OPENING PORT!"wink
port_ok = False

get_off:
End Sub

'**************************************************************************
'fxn name: Init_port_list
'Global veriables affected/destroyed: None
'purpose: initializes a combobox1 with numbers 1 to 16, this represents the
' maximum number possible virtual serial ports on Win XP.
' you can increase to 255 if on Vista or Win 7.
'***************************************************************************
Public Sub init_port_list()
Dim x As Byte
For x = 1 To 16
Combo1.AddItem (CStr(x))
Next x
End Sub

'*****************************************************************************
'Fxn: handles in comming data(data recieved) via Oncomm event handler
'Globs afffected: sdata. this variable hold ur in coming data
'**************************************************************************
Private Sub MSComm1_OnComm()
Dim temp As Integer

If MSComm1.CommEvent = comEvReceive Then
sdata = MSComm1.Input
temp = Val(AscB(sdata)) 'if in comming is integer use this prior to usage of data in any math
Text1.Text = Text1.Text & Str(temp) '
'Text1.Text = Text1.Text & Chr(AscB(sdata)) 'use to display incomming ascii
End If
End Sub

'********************************************************************
'Fxn name: close_port
'Global variables affected: None
'purpose: Safely closes the serial port. Must call before you terminate
' the application. You should include the "form_unload" event hadler
' below in you app. to do this just incase you forget.
'*************************************************************************
Public Sub close_port()
If MSComm1.PortOpen = True Then
MSComm1.PortOpen = False
End If
End Sub
'******************************************************************
Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)
close_port
End Sub

Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 10:51pm On Sep 24, 2012
I will give you a free VB6 code i wrote for serial COMM. Will do that tomorrow. God willing!

Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 10:46pm On Sep 24, 2012
Dondbuzor: @nairaface interfacing micro controller with hyperterminal is a little tricky. It took me several trial and errors before I got.
But u ve to take note of the following
-hyperterminal transmit only characters and can receive a string character.
-the characters are ascii characters,so wot ever u are sending to the micro controller, u ve to look it up in ascii table to determine the actual value u re sending to the micro controller.

-also u ve to make sure the baudrate u set in ur micro controller is same with that of the hyperterminal.
If u take note of these 3 types, u won't ve problem communicating with d ucontroller through the hyperterminal.


@ bold. In truth, if you write codes in C...then its really not necessary looking-up the ascii table to translate. All you gotta do is send your ascii characters from the PC/host controller to your microcontroller. You use their index positions in the ascii table to do your math. e.g the ascii value of "0" is 48(30 HEX), so when you send characters denoting different integer states from your PC app., all your controller gotta do is subtract 48 to get the real integer values needed.i.e On the other hand, if all you need is to display such characters on an LCD or somtn' ,then ain't no need to translate. If is for pure control, then send characters as HEX-DEC(compressed into one byte). hope it makes sense?
Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 10:30pm On Sep 24, 2012
Dondbuzor: I don't know why u ppl keep arguing wot embedded system and wot its not.
For lay mans understanding; embedded system is any system that uses micro controller to perform actions which are usually control actions. Infact most systems that involves micro controller and performs control operations can be said to be embedded system.



Sorry mate! No one is arguing with you. I just made some corrections so you don't project a wrong information to those who have no idea. Besides, we aren't laymen here. I am an Elecrical/Computer Engineer(who knows what's up) with extensive knowledge in this field. Just take in good fate, no harm intended. cheers wink

Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 10:25pm On Sep 24, 2012


Also, if you need to work on Embedded Ethernet/Internet enabled devices, you may want to take a look at this chip from Microchip: ENC28j60. A sample app. can be found at here: AVRnet

Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 10:18pm On Sep 24, 2012
Dondbuzor: U mean u did all these projects:-




• Digital temperature logger.with logs saved on an SD card in stand alone modeor hosted by a PC
• Digital pressure logger. with logs savedon an SD card in stand alone mode or hosted by a PC
• Radio frequency identification(RFID)
• Fingerprint scanning for access control
• Precision programmable electronic fuses
• Programmable AC/DC overvoltage/undervoltage monitoring
• Intelligent Voltage stabilizer
• Mains frequency monitoring
• Phase angle/pwm controllers
• LED solid state lighting(replacement forflorescent and incandescent lamps)
• Solar powered solid state lighting systems
• Smart DC/AC conveters(inveters) using MOSFETS or IGBTs
• DC-DC conveters (choppers) e.g for laptops
• AC/DC and AC/AC converter systems
• Automated lighting intensity control forbulbs used in utility conservation systems
• Automated fan speed controller, based on ambient temperature level. User programmable(manually or with IR control)
• FM infra red earphone for HI-FI audio
• High-tech subwoofer systems with acoustic deficiency cancellation
• Digital audio record/playback for voice messaging and announcements.
• Digital calendar/Reminder/Alarm system
• Digital portable notebook, using normalLCDs or GRAPHIC LCDs
• GSM monitoring and control, utilizing SMS or DTMF schemes.
• Automated LAN cable tester with cable type/speed and defect detection
• Digital IC(integrated circuit) tester
• Customizable matrix crosspoint swithching for audio or video
• Electronic teaching aid for kids or adulteducation
• Electronic student attendance marker, employing fingerprint or RFID
• Ultrasonic intrusion detection and monitoring
• Passive infra red(PIR) intrusion detection and monitoring. Employs black body radiation
• Vehicle(robotic) guidance. Wirelessly guided, upto 40km
• Robotic end-effector(manipulator), for precision pick-and-place applications
• Digital ammeter/Voltmeter, for AC/DC
• Oscilloscope input expander
• Electronic pasturization and preservation unit, for dairy products
• GSM/GPS car tracker
• Multi-digit matrix LED scrolling displays. With wireless message update or via pc-serial port
• Multi-drop wireless intercom system
• Short-range/Long-range FM transmitters, utilizing crystal or varactor diode modulation
• Instant messaging system utilizing dedicated hardware
• Multi-user based access control for DoorSecurity system.with admin control over the pc.
• Keyboard Interfacing
• Digital thermometer
• Ultrasonic car collision avoidance system
• Solar Position(tracking) Control
• Fluid Temperature Control using PWM
• Prepaid Billing Mechanism for Energy Meters
• RF Based Wireless Data Transfer
• Appliance Control Using RF Communication
• RFID Attendance System.
• Implementing Process (Temperature) Control and monitoring system
• Design and Implementation of wireless Home security system.
i will give my email as soon as i get somexpression of interest from u folks. thanks

Staggering right? well sure! Although some are just paper works(Design concepts), e.g the Robotics one. But then, ain't nothing to it. You begin designs from concepts to realizations. wink
Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 10:12pm On Sep 24, 2012
Dondbuzor: common sense will tell u that as soon as the port is set(ON) any device connected to the relay is automatically ON, since a relay is an electrical switch.

I kinda like your dogged enthusiasm for what you do mate! more grease to Your elbows. However, the bold part above ain't exactly so. It actually depends on your hardware orientation. Relays/swithces can be Normally Open(NO) or Normally Closed(NC).So this is what really determines if actuating the relay implies engaging/disengaging the load connected to it.
Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 9:58pm On Sep 24, 2012
Dondbuzor: Embedded system is any system that uses micro controller to perform a specific tasks. And unlike micro processors, most task micro controllers perform are usually CONTROL OPERATIONS.
So the system I was describing is a system that can be used to wireless CONTROL(turn off and turn on) electrical devices(switches).


Point of correction. This is not what "Embedded Systems" are. In simple term, Embedded System is a microcomputer system designed to perform a dedicated tasks or perform several related tasks. Usually, such a system must comprise of at least one programmable device(e.g Processors, DSPs, Microcontrollers,ASICs,FPGA etc) to qualify as such. And usually, their computer related functionality aren't apparent by looking at the System in question. e.g Microwave Oven. Most owners of such products do not know there is actually a computer "Embedded" in them. Contrasting an Embedded system with a Desktop computer; we would quickly see the difference. A desktop computer is designed for multitasking/multipurpose functionality i.e it could process Documents(Word,PDF,GIF etc), Print Docs, Serve as Media interface, Data logger etc. While it ain't the same for the other. In reality, there are Embedded Systems applications that in fact require the employment of a complete desktop computer...depends on how we all look at. That's as succinct as i could put it.

Programming / Re: Embedded Systems by usisky(m): 9:31pm On Sep 24, 2012
Hey mates!. No need for the bickering alright? I am quite sure we all come on this forum cos we wanna contribute meaningfully.....So let that be the focus.

Ah...! i see.....so there are a bunch of us who really love the "techy" stuffs? that's kinda cool MAN!

OK! here is my own portfolio: THREAD1 and THREAD2

I am no Embedded Systems King.....But my word...! don't we all love the "Techy" stuffs!!! wink

PS:Donbuzor ,Otuabaroku and Co. thumbs up to you fellaz, and keep it up....u never know how far it's gonna get ya. Besides...it's fun too.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Conversation Between Prophet Muhammad (peace Be Upon Him) And The Devil by usisky(m): 7:44pm On Sep 21, 2012
^^^^

PEACE to you too.

Sweetnectar, if i may ask you this: How many types of audiences is the Quran addressed to?

Your answer will determine if will be able to answer you or not! PEACE!!
Islam for Muslims / HADITH Vs QURAN by usisky(m): 7:23pm On Sep 21, 2012
[22:74] They do not VALUE GOD as He should be valued. GOD is the Most Powerful, the Almighty.


As usual, i do this not for pleasure or for the sake of seeking attention. I do this because it's a duty upon me that i proclaim the truth in the hope that the sincere ones who are unaware of it gets admonition. I know there are some few people here who are sincere and totally unaware of the false version of the religion they may be following; Individuals like Fellis and Justaqaad appear to be sincere seekers from what i can perceive of them. Perhaps others too, but only God knows them-and for such few-i will keep up my effort in the hope that they will someday make the conscious effort to at least investigate the things i present here. Fellis and justaqaad- if you're reading this right now, i want you guys to know this: What you think is ISLAM is not it at all. ISLAM as practiced today has nothing to do with the religion Muhammad practiced. Today's ISLAM is enshrouded with Pagan Arab tradition and practices that go contrary to what is preached by Muhammad in the Quran. You guys are as responsible as i am in seeking out what is truth and what is not. I pray God grants all sincere seekers the wisdom and understanding so they may ponder on HIS message(Quran).


HADITH VS QUR'AN


The religion of Islam (Submission) today still continues to be one of the misunderstood religions in the world. One reason for this is the fact that for centuries this beautiful religion has been unduly presented to the world through the so-called Muslim people, scholars, and countries that do not act or function in an Islamic manner, according to teachings of the Quran. The result of centuries-long ignorance is obvious. Not only has the religion of Islam been given a bad name, but also Muslims all around the world today are suffering the consequences of abandoning the teachings of the Quran, in favor of innovations that have nothing to do with religion.

One of these innovations is the volumes and volumes of hadith books written some 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad. These hadiths are sayings that are attributed to the prophet. There are many hadiths that either contradict the Quran or don’t make any sense at all. While there may be some genuine hadiths that don’t contradict the Quran, there is no way to prove their authenticity even if the collectors of hadiths may claim so. Only God knows what the truth is.

Hadith to Explain the Quran!

Some say we need the hadith to explain the Quran because the Quran is too difficult to understand. Why do people who find it difficult to understand a single volume of God’s revelation feel it necessary to refer to 50 volumes of hadith books for clarification! Would God reveal a message so difficult to understand, yet expect people to follow it? This does not make sense. Furthermore, God tells us in the Quran many times: “we made the Quran easy to learn, does any of you wish to learn?” ([url=http://submission.org/QI#54%3A17]54:17[/url], 22, 32, 40) Doesn’t God know what He is talking about? Doesn’t He know His creatures’ abilities?

It is almost impossible for anyone to go through all the books of hadith without getting confused and totally lost, especially if the person wants to examine what each different sect has to offer. That’s why the so-called Islamic universities offer academic degrees in studying hadith to raise “learned men” of the religion. These students literally waste their time to learn all the details of living their lives in accordance with the supposed sayings and deeds of the prophet.

The religious rules and regulations based on such innovations contain and cover literally every aspect of life from walking, eating, laughing, sleeping?almost anything one can think of. The rules such as how to use the bathroom and what to do in there! The details are too gross and shocking to mention.

Appalling Hadiths

There are even grosser sayings and deeds attributed to the prophet regarding his sex life, preferences and sexual desires. Didn’t these so called narrators have anything else to do but peek in the Prophet’s private life? How could such perverse narrators be considered reliable sources of information? These are the type of people who produced such blasphemous and incredible lies against a prophet of God! More incredible is the hypocrisy of the religious “experts” who supposedly follow these lies out of love and respect for the prophet!

There are also many silly things in the books of hadith such as whether one should drink a glass of water standing or sitting? Why should anyone care? Why are these kinds of irrelevant details important to some people? Because these people are completely ignorant about the essence of the religion of submission, and thus they think the religion is a bunch of rules and regulations on the petty details of life. They make the religion difficult for themselves while being proud of having difficulties and misery as part of their devotion to their “religion.” Which religion or god are they devoting themselves to? It cannot be the same One who clearly stated in the Quran that He made the religion easy for us, that He did not reveal the Quran to make things difficult for us ([url=http://submission.org/QI#20%3A2]20:2[/url]).

Insult to Prophet Muhammad

Indeed, the hadith books are full of contradictions, subtle or clear insults and blasphemies to Almighty God as well as the prophet himself. What kind of a messenger would Muhammad be if he did or said some of the things that were attributed to him? Muhammad lived by the Quran and he was an example for us. Anyone who followed the Quran which came through his mouth would not utter such blasphemous or ridiculous sayings. Such sayings, of course, cannot be but plain lies and conjecture. Would Muhammad ever blaspheme against God saying that God created the heavens and the earth for his sake, and that God’s throne was made up of his light? Would the prophet ever ask people to praise himself, instead of praising God, the Almighty, when the Quran clearly says that all praises belong to God? Never, ever. This is clearly stated in the following verse:


Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.
[3:79]

God Does Not Run Out of Words

If God wanted to be more specific about how we must live our lives, He could have sent down volumes and volumes of revelations on how we should sleep, how we should cook, eat or drink, and which dress we should wear and so on. He surely tells us that if the oceans were ink, and the trees were made into pens, He would not run out of words (31:27). But it is God’s mercy that He wants us to follow only what He specified in His revelations, and use our common sense, knowledge and wisdom for the rest of the details of life. However people insist on making their lives miserable as their so-called religious leaders and “learned” scholars shackle them with satanic teachings and innovations.

Hadith Exposed in the Quran

God condemns the hadith by name in the Quran, and informs us that it is a blasphemous fabrication ([url=http://submission.org/QI#45%3A6]45:6-7[/url]). He says that the Quran is one consistent source since it’s His Word. There is no contradiction in it. If it were from other than God, as hadith books are, they would have found in it numerous contradictions ([url=http://submission.org/QI#4%3A82]4:82[/url]).

Hadiths can be useful for historical perspective, but they should not be used for establishing religious practices. Doing so does not mean one dislikes or does not obey the prophet Muhammad. On the contrary, it indicates that he or she respects him and God’s revelations that came through his mouth. After all it is God we are all supposed to please. The Quran teaches us that when the judgment day comes and everything is brought forward, the prophet will be disappointed by what has been done to the message that he delivered. He will say, “my people have deserted the Quran”
(25:30). Therefore, following or upholding baseless hadiths is something neither God nor His messengers want us to do:

Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith(Narration,Speech,Sayings etc), and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution
.[31:6]

As a matter of fact, God and His messengers want us to follow the Word of God as the only source of religious guidance, otherwise we will end up disputing and dividing ourselves ([url=http://submission.org/QI#3%3A103]3:103[/url]). The Quran is God’s word in truth and justice; a blessing and beacon for those who want to submit to the Lord of the Universe, the Almighty. It’s God’s commandment that we should read it from cover to cover (73:4). Are we waiting for somebody to explain God’s message to us while we can read it for ourselves? Therefore, read what your Creator wants to tell you for your own sake! Read it in a language that you can understand. When God says that He made the Quran easy to learn, He means it. He is the One who controls the hearts and minds of the people and guides them accordingly ([url=http://submission.org/QI#28%3A56]28:56[/url]). He is teacher of the Quran for those who turn to Him (55:2).

GOD has revealed herein the best Hadith(Narration,Sayings,News,Speech etc); a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them. [39:23]

Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions. [4:82]

www.submission.org
www.miracleof19.org
www.masjidtucson.org
www.quranalone.com

PEACE!!

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Conversation Between Prophet Muhammad (peace Be Upon Him) And The Devil by usisky(m): 5:56pm On Sep 21, 2012

I really wonder how you people read the HADITHS without spotting how ridiculous they are? To say the Hadith books are filled with appalling fables is an understatement. Why do You trade away Quranic truths for absurdities pervading the hadith texts? I wish you people would only study the Quran. embarassed cry


The DEVIL cannot Be seen. Not even by the Prophets


[7:27] O children of Adam(Muhammad inclusive), do not let the devil dupe you as he did when he caused the eviction of your parents from Paradise, and the removal of their garments to expose their bodies. He and his tribe see you, while you do not see them. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe.

Yet, the Hadith Fable above tells us Satan visited Muhammad-even describing his looks-SAD INDEED! The quran tells us Satan used to be one of God's high ranking Angels who rebelled against HIM, consequently he became a Jinn(Term for rebellious Angels). I doubt if Satan really has time for trivial issues as described in the OP.


SATAN entices his subjects through whispers

[7:200] WHEN THE DEVIL WHISPERS to you any whisper, seek refuge in GOD; He is Hearer, Omniscient.

[41:36] WHEN THE DEVIL WHISPERS an idea to you, you shall seek refuge in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.


Then you guys find it insulting when a SALMAN RUSHDEE writes "The Satanic Verses". You find it insulting when a Holywood's director decides to re-enact these absurd stories.


Hadith & Sunna: Fabrications by the Prophet's Enemies

[6:112] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

[6:113] This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.


On the day of judgment Muhammad will have this to say:

[25:30] The messenger will say, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
Islam for Muslims / Re: Please Enlighten Me On This by usisky(m): 5:14pm On Sep 21, 2012

Ayomivic: Salam maleikun. Pls, i want to be enligtened on this question.The question goes like this

I want to know if Muslims today are following Mosaic laws ? If they are following it , how? If they are not, why?

Peace be upon you too Brother!

Brother, i suspect you are a pious individual seeking knowledge. God will open your heart towards acceptance of truth
for as long as you are sincere to HIM. Wouldn't want to say much; please go through the following links- God will make things clearer for you.

Ten commandments in the Quran

Befriending Jews and Christians according to Quran

Did Jews ever pray similar to Muslims?

Unity of All believers, Christians and Jews

Universal Message

Judaism, Christianity and Other Religions


One God/One Religion

[22:34] For each congregation we have decreed rites whereby they commemorate the name of GOD for providing them with the livestock. Your god IS ONE AND THE SAME god; you shall all submit to Him. Give good news to the obedient.

[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god IS ONE AND THE SAME; to Him we are submitters."


Unity of All Submitters To God Alone

[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

Also repeated in 5:69.


Righteous Jews & Christians

[3:113] They are not all the same; among the followers of the scripture(jews and christians), there are those who are righteous. They recite GOD's revelations through the night, and they fall prostrate.



SHALOM!



www.submission.org
www.miracleof19.org
www.masjidtucson.org
www.quranalone.com

Islam for Muslims / Re: O Muslims, What's With The Fuss over A FILM Anyway? by usisky(m): 9:56am On Sep 21, 2012
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It really doesn't surprise me at all why majority of muslims intrinsically are intolerant towards criticisms. A lot of this is deeply rooted in the obscurantist manner/teachings of their version of the religion as we see it today. Their reaction to some movie supposedly insulting a dead prophet speaks volumes. Why should one get angered when a dead person is slandered? Can such insult change who the person really was? If he was a bad person or a good person, no degree of insults could possibly changed that; so why bother yourself? Why not leave the judgement to God? Like i said in my POST: Educating people by Preaching the truth is the way to heal peoples ignorance. In trying to defend a dead prophet, the muslims violate Quranic commandments(tolerance in the face of persecution and insults, do not take the life of another unjustly etc) without regrets. I think it behoves us to really have serious considerations/thoughts before we make decisions in whatever we do.

[16:126] And if you punish, you shall inflict an equivalent punishment. But if you resort to patience (instead of revenge), it would be better for the patient ones.

[16:127] You shall resort to patience - and your patience is attainable only with GOD's help. Do not grieve over them, and do not be annoyed by their schemes.

PEACE!!
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Islam for Muslims / Re: [ TEST OF FAITH ] Would You Convert To A Muslim? by usisky(m): 2:58pm On Sep 17, 2012
seyibrown: Will never renounce Christ or convert to Muslim, no matter what!

Peace Ma'am. May i inquire as to what you know of the muslims or Islam in general?

You may Visit Here to see that the true message of Christ is indeed no different from the True teachings Islam as
taught by Muhammad. What you may have perceived as Islam is not it at all. Let's discuss after you're done from Here.

PEACE!!
Islam for Muslims / Re: [ TEST OF FAITH ] Would You Convert To A Muslim? by usisky(m): 2:51pm On Sep 17, 2012
Dondav: The question is Would you convert to a Muslim if they have enough fire power to destroy all Christians in the Universe?

At gun point, after watching These Islamic leaders blow off the heads of our Church Leaders.. Asks you to convert to Islam or Die, Would you Convert or die for the sake of your religion?

Pls, Be sincere.. This is a TEST of FAITH



Any true believer in God(among Christians,Muslims,Jews, Buddhists etc), who is forced to profess disbelief in God may do so especially if his/her life is at stake. What matters is not what the mouth utters but what the heart is filled with. Belief in God is of the heart and no one can take that away from you. The God who created you and i and the entire universe is ever merciful; God will never condemn you for professing disbelief to save you neck. Just a rule of thumb!

Lip Service Does Not Count:

[16:106] Those who disbelieve in GOD, after having acquired faith, and become fully content with disbelief, have incurred wrath from GOD. The only ones to be excused are those who are forced to profess disbelief, while their hearts are full of faith.

PEACE!!
Islam for Muslims / O Muslims, What's With The Fuss over A FILM Anyway? by usisky(m): 1:59pm On Sep 17, 2012
God....The Most Gracious!

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NOTE: I am never in support of any act of violence or incitement of it thereof. All human life is sacred, and no one should take another person's life except by accident or in the course of justice. I therefore condemn the actions of those who made the movie,as it's was a deliberate incitement of violence; for they knew for a fact that the muslims will be angered by it, and that their usual response.....VIOLENCE!. I strongly condemn the actions of those muslims who took the law into their hands and felt the only way justice can be served is by causing injury to or killing innocent people who have no connection with the movie(even if they did, it does not warrant such barbaric behavior). Even far worse for those ignorant muslims who take the lives of innocent people unjustly, is that they are in God's condemnation and will face the ultimate judge someday.


Yes....! the iconoclast is here again. What's in a movie and why the uproar? The real question is: Where did the makers of the movie source their information about the prophet from? You really don't have to be a genius to realize that the movie is simply a re-enactment of stories in Your(muslims) cherished "HADITHS(so called sayings of the Prophet) and SUNNAH(Deeds of the Prophet)". If all these years you never saw these false stories about prophet Muhammad in the Hadiths books as defamation of his character, why then after watching a movie about it? Muslims who take to the streets in protest of ignorant behavior(Burning the Quran, depiction of the prophet,a movie etc), are themselves ignorant and culpable as those who perpetrate these hideous acts. Is the best way to respond to ignorant people through violence? Don't you study the Quran? Was that the way Muhammad responded to his detractors? Is not prophet Muhammad a good example for the so called muslims no more? When we study the Quran carefully, we'll see how prophet Muhammad and other prophets responded to those who insulted them by simply ignoring:

No where in the Quran do we find the prophet ever angered by those who called him names or insulted him,why then should you be after a thousand years after his death?:

Calling the Prophet names:

[15:6] They said, "O you who received this reminder, you are crazy.
[37:36] They said, "Shall we leave our gods for the sake of a crazy poet?"
[68:51] Those who disbelieved show their ridicule in their eyes when they hear the message and say, "He is crazy!"
[38:4] They wondered that a warner should come to them, from among them. The disbelievers said, "A magician, a liar".

The Prophet's response and emulated only by true believers:


[7:199] You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant.


How do one combat falsehood/ignorance? If you protest(peacefully or not) from now till thy kingdom come, it will never eliminate falsehood or ignorant people from the face of the earth. Therefore, the best way to combat falsehood/ignorance is through enlightenment and by speaking/preaching the truth. This is the message preached by Muhammad:

The Inevitable Test:

[3:186] You will certainly be tested, through your money and your lives, and you will hear from those who received the scripture, and from the idol worshipers, a lot of insult. If you steadfastly persevere and lead a righteous life, this will prove the strength of your faith.


Inviting to the true path of God through kind utterances is the trait of true believers. Such may even turn your enemy into your friend:

Submitters(True Muslims):

[41:33] Who can utter better words than one who invites to GOD, works righteousness, and says, "I am one of the submitters"?
[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.


Muhammad was a good man and a noble servant of God. Like earlier Prophets, he adhered strictly to God's commandment in the scripture. He was never a murderer neither was he intolerant towards other people's beliefs. He was persecuted and driven out of his homeland because of his message of monotheism- yet, he never raised a finger to fight those who hated his message. The only time he ever fought was to ward off those who were oppressing them and tried to kill them for their professed belief in one GOD. I urge all sincere muslims to strive hard to emulate his good will and character by following strictly his teachings in the Quran. We should never allow the Fatwas(Decree) given by ignorant clerics to take us away from the Message of the Quran. We should co-exist in peace and unity with Christians, Jews, Pagans, Hindus , Atheist e.t.c. They are our neighbors, and we must love them as we do ourselves. This is the message preached by Muhammad in the Quran:

[60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending THOSE WHO DO NOT FIGHT you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

Matthew, Chapter 5:
007: Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
008: Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
009: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
038: Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
039: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.


The Hadiths really have painted a bad image of the prophet. It's rather unfortunate that the muslims honor and revere the enemies of prophet Muhammad who wrote these lies(as seen in the movie) and regard the few like me who are trying hard to tell the world that this isn't true of him as Kafirs(disbelievers). It is the objective of all sincere muslims to tell the world the truth so as to rid TRUE ISLAM of the falsehood injected into it after the prophet's demise and to return ISLAM to its pristine purity- even if the majority dislike it; Just put your trust in God.
[3:160] IF GOD SUPPORTS you, none can defeat you. And if He abandons you, who else can support you? In GOD the believers shall trust.
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Islam for Muslims / Re: ..... by usisky(m): 5:39pm On Aug 13, 2012
E_monkey:
I did.
I find it baffling that people actually believe that muta is Islamic.

Where else my brother, where else? of course the Hadiths. The same source where the derive their evil sharia Laws from instead of the Perfect,fully detailed, very clear and complete FURQAAN(Statute book: Book of Law).

>>Killing apostates
>>Stoning Married adulterers to death
>>Cutting the thief's hand(misinterpretation of the verse)
>>Forcing women to dress like masquerades(their personalities are taken away from them)
>>Preventing women from fasting, praying, Touching quran etc during their menstrual cycle.
the List is endless.


Muhammad was not a tyrant. Islam promotes freedom of opinion, religion and expression. Muslims cannot use violence against even those who insult God (2:256; 4.140; 10:99; 18:29; 88:21,22).


>>Dallying with prostitutes

The Shiah Ayatollahs say that men can even marry women temporarily for an agreed period of time like one day or for a few hours at a time. They call this mutaa. In truth this is nothing more than prostitution.

This is not surprising at all because according to the hadith writers the Prophet even allowed mingling with prostitutes. Here is the false hadith:

Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139:
Narrated Abdullah:
We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which GOD has made lawful for you."

This false hadith says that during ‘holy wars’ the Prophet allowed his men to ‘marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment’ ! This is a terrible slander and lie against the Prophet and his men. This false hadith attempts to portray them as having other things on their mind other than the struggle alongside the Prophet. This evil hadith accuses the Prophet of setting the price of dallying with a woman at just one piece of garment.

The Prophet’s true teachings in the Quran tells the men to control their lusts and keep chaste. Here is the verse:

[24:33] Those who cannot afford to get married shall maintain morality until GOD provides for them from His grace. Those among your servants who wish to be freed in order to marry, you shall grant them their wish, once you realize that they are honest. And give them from GOD's money that He has bestowed upon you. You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.


The Prophet taught us from GOD that we should keep chaste until we get married. We also cannot compel the slave girls into prostitution. How then could the Prophet allow his men to seek the company of prostitutes "even for the price of a garment" ?. This is an obvious slander and evil lie against the Prophet by the ulema like Bukhari. If the ulema refuse to acknowledge this verse from the Quran, here is another verse from the Quran which says the same thing:

[24:30] Tell the believing men that they shall subdue their eyes (and not stare at the women), and to maintain their chastity. This is purer for them. GOD is fully Cognizant of everything they do.

This is what the Prophet taught us in the Quran. Muslims are to lower their gaze and control their lusts. But as usual the ulema of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah will reject this Quranic teaching. They like to preach that the Prophet told his men to go after prostitutes for the price of a piece of garment. They prefer to follow their own books of false hadith which they have written with their own hands.

May God open the eyes of the sincere ones among the "muslims" before a day comes where there's neither trade nor nepotism.


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Islam for Muslims / Re: Which Hadith Do You Believe Besides The Quran? (45:6) by usisky(m): 5:07pm On Aug 13, 2012
BetaThings: This matter has been dealt with in the past
May Allah reward this sister for her deiligence


And how do we fulfil this obligation if not by observing what he said and did so that we may obey and follow these instructions? And are not the ahadith the collection of what the Prophet (SAW) said and did? Thus if it is compulsory for us to obey the Prophet (SAW), it is necessary for us to look at the ahadith so we may know WHAT it is we are supposed to be obeying, n'est-ce pas?


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[5:44] We have sent down the Torah, containing guidance and light. Ruling in accordance with it were the Jewish prophets, as well as the rabbis and the priests, as dictated to them in GOD's scripture, and as witnessed by them. Therefore, do not reverence human beings; you shall reverence Me instead. And do not trade away My revelations for a cheap price. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the disbelievers.


[5:46] Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous.

[5:47] The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked.


[5:48] Then we revealed to you this scripture(Qur'an), truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations(Qur'an), and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.


[5:49] You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations(Qur'an) to you. Do not follow their wishes, and beware lest they divert you from some of GOD's revelations to you. If they turn away, then know that GOD wills to punish them for some of their sins. Indeed, many people are wicked.


I pray God sharpens your intellect so you may comprehend the clear message emanating from the Glorious Book...AL-QUR'AN. Pay special attention to this part of verse 48...."But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you". PEACE!!
Islam for Muslims / Re: ..... by usisky(m): 4:48pm On Aug 13, 2012
E_monkey:
What is on the site and how is it nonsense? Don't just make accusations like that. Back what you say up with proof.


^^^^Thank you Mr. Sir. Hope you went through the link? PEACE!!
Islam for Muslims / Re: ..... by usisky(m): 3:49pm On Aug 13, 2012
Islam for Muslims / Re: ..... by usisky(m): 1:58pm On Aug 13, 2012
@E_MONKEY , PEACE!!


Please review the follow: http://www.masjidtucson.org/submission/perspectives/more/family/marriage/temporarymarriage.html

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Which Hadith Do You Believe Besides The Quran? (45:6) by usisky(m): 11:49am On Aug 13, 2012
MY MESSAGE TO SINCERE MUSLIMS:

My only hope is that those among you who still have even an atoms weight of honesty/sincerity in them, will objectively examine all the evidences i have and will keep presenting. If you truly fear and honor your creator..GOD Almighty; now is the time for you to break free from religious enslavement. What you've been brought-up to believe as ISLAM is not it at all; rather, what you follow is HISLAM(historical ISLAM). The true ISLAM as taught by Muhammad is buried under piles upon piles of rubble. God has given us the means for distinguishing truth from falsehood(17:36); You are responsible for how you apply them in seeking out truth. May God grant the sincere ones who choose conviction over conjecture the strength to search for truth.



Continuation from My Original Post......

[size=15pt]2) Do These Verses Require Us To Follow a Mishmash of Narrations?[/size]


Distorting the meaning of the Quranic verses, taking them out of context, claiming that some verses abrogate others are some of the tactics used by the followers of Hadith and Sunna. Monarchistic theocratical kingdoms use the ulama to divert "Muslim" masses. The fabricated satanic teachings have transformed the religion of God into a mishmash liturgy and a ritual torture. Here, God willing, we'll expose their true colors by evaluating some verses most often abused by them.

A good example has been set for you by the messenger of God (33:21).

The falsifiers have presented medieval Arab culture and traditions as good examples of the messenger. However, if you look at the context, the good example has been described as the messenger's courage and his constant remembrance of God. They extended this good example to irrelevant individual or cultural behaviors. For instance, they sanctified the beard and turban, ignoring the fact that the Meccan idol worshipers, such as Abu Lahab and Walid b. Mugiyra also had long beards and wore turbans.

What is worse, the actions and words ascribed to prophet Muhammad have depicted him with a character that is far from exemplary. The Hadith books portrays the prophet as a phantasmagoric character with a multiple personality. That character is more fictitious than mythological gods and goddesses, such as Hermes, Pan, Poseidon and Aphrodite. He is a pendulous character, both bouncing up to deity, and down to the lowest degree. He is both wise and slowpoke. He is sometimes more merciful than God and sometimes a cruel torturer. He is both perfect and criminal, humble and arrogant, chaste and sex maniac, trustworthy and cheater, illiterate and educator, rich and poor, a nepotist and a democratic leader, caring and a male chauvinist, a believer and a disbeliever, prohibiting Hadith and promoting Hadith. You can find numerous conflicting personalities presented as an exemplary figure. Choose whichever you like. This peculiar aspect of Hadith collection is well described by the prophetic verses of the Quran: "Shall we treat the Muslims (Submitters) like the criminals? What is wrong with your judgement? Do you have a book where you can find anything you wish?" (68:35-38).

Furthermore, a similar statement is made about Abraham: "A good example has been set for you by Abraham and those with him" (60:4, 6). If verse 33:21 requires Muhammad's hadith, then why would not the verses 60:4,6 require Abraham's hadith? Which books narrate hadiths from Abraham? Obviously, the only reliable source for both examples is the Book of God, which narrates the relevant exemplary actions. It also warns us not to repeat the mistakes committed by Muhammad (33:37; 80: 1-10).

Obey God and His Messenger (4:59)

Obeying Bukhari, a narrator of lies, is not obeying the messenger. Obeying the messenger is obeying the complete, perfect and fully detailed Quran. Verse 25:73 describes the attitude of believers towards God's revelations. But the followers of Hadith and Sunna are very good in ignoring them. They do not see 6:19, 7:3, and 50:45 which say that the only teaching delivered by God's messenger was the Quran. They do not think that Muhammad practiced the Quran, and the Quran alone (5:48, 49). They do not hear Muhammad's only complaint about his people (25:30). They do not understand that Muhammad disowns those who do not understand that the Quran is enough and fully detailed (6:114).

The first verse of Chapter 9 states that an ultimatum is issued from God an His messenger. We know that the verses about the ultimatum are entirely from God. God did not consult Muhammad about the ultimatum. Muhammad's only mission was to deliver God's message (16:35; 24:54). Thus, the reason that God included the messenger in 9:1 is because he participated as deliverer of the ultimatum. Similarly, because people receive God's message through messengers we are ordered to obey the messengers. We also know that the Quran is a permanent messenger (65:11), and the Quran is a reminder and deliverer of good news (41:4; 11:2).

Nor is he speaking out of personal desire. It is a divine inspiration (53:3-4)
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Meccan idol worshipers claimed that Muhammad was the author of the Quran (25:5; 68:15). The beginning of Chapter 53 is about the revelation of the Quran. It states that "the Quran is from Him". It is not Muhammad's personal claim; it is a divine statement. Therefore, claiming that the pronoun "it" in the verse 53:4 refers to the words of Muhammad, not of God, is an obvious distortion. According to the above verse "it" is revelation, without exception. This can be valid only for the Quran. It is nonsense to claim that Muhammad's daily conversation was entirely revelation. For example, God firmly criticizes Muhammad's words to Zayd (33:37). Obviously, the criticism was not about revelation. The beginning phrase of Chapter 97 informs us about the revelation of the Quran: "We revealed it in the Night of Destiny". The "it" in this verse is the same as the "it" in 53:4. . . . And we sent down to you this message, to proclaim (litubayyena) for the people everything that is sent down to them, perhaps they will reflect (16:44).

People who establish Hadith and Sunna as another source of religious teachings besides the Quran, opted the irrelevant meaning of the Arabic word "BYN". The word "'lituBaYyeNa" is a derivative of "BYN", which is a multiple-meaning word. It means: 1) To reveal what is concealed. 2) To explain what is vague. The first meaning is the antonym of "hide", the second is the antonym of "make vague". God orders Muhammad to proclaim the revelation which is revealed to him personally. Indeed, this is the whole mission of the messengers (16:35). Prophets sometimes experience difficulty in proclaiming the revelation (33:37, 20:25). If the Quran is a profound Arabic book, if it is explained by God, and if it is simple to understand (5:15; 26:195; 11:1; 54:17; 55:1-2), then the prophet does not have an extra mission to explain it. Furthermore, the verse 75:19 does not leave any room for an extra human explanation. Thus, the word "litubayyena" of 16:44 is similar to the one in 3:187. Verse 3:187 tells us that the people who received the revelation should "proclaim the scripture to the people, and never conceal it."

The Quran is simple to understand (54:17,22,32,40). Whoever opens his/her mind and heart as a monotheist and takes the time to study it, will understand it. This understanding will be enough for salvation. Beyond this, to understand the multi-meaning verses you do not need to be a messenger of God. If you have a good mind and have studied the Quran as a believer, that is, if you have a deep knowledge, then you will be able to understand the true meanings of multiple-meaning verses. The verse 3:7, which is about the multiple-meaning verses, points this fact in a multiple-meaning way (this is an interesting subject which warrants another article): ". . . No one knows their true meaning except God and those who possess knowledge. . ."

O you who believe, do not place your (opinion) above God and His messenger (49:1).

Followers of hadith and sunna claim that God is represented by the Quran, and the messenger is represented by his opinion on the Quran. Thus, they claim that the Quran is not enough for salvation. Some people may not utter this claim straightforwardly. They may even claim that the Quran is complete and enough for our guidance. However, further questioning will reveal that their quran is not "the Quran". The Quran is the one that consists of 114 Chapters and 6346 verses. It is a mathematically coded book. However, their minds are confused, and their quran is contaminated with human speculations and limited by a snap-shot interpretation. They try to scare the believers by saying "you do not like the messenger". The belief that God is represented by the Quran, and the messenger by his teaching is a satanic claim. There are several points to remember:

>> Quran represents God and His messenger.

>> Obeying the Quran is obeying God and the messenger.

>> Quran never says: "Obey God and Moses," or "Obey God and Muhammad." But, Quran consistently states: "Obey God and the messenger." This is because the word messenger (rasul) comes from the "message" (risala). The message is entirely from God; messengers cannot exist without the message.

>> Messengers as humans make mistakes. Thus, when believers made a covenant with prophet Muhammad they promised to obey him conditionally, i.e., his righteous orders (60:12). Moreover, God specifically orders Muhammad to consult the believers around him (3:159). If nobody can object to the personal decision of the messenger, then consultation is meaningless. However, whenever the final decision is made, it should be followed.

>> During their lifetimes, messengers are community leaders. In this regard messengers are not different than the believers who are in charge (4:59); both should be obeyed. But, this obedience is not absolute. It is open for consultation and discussion.

>> The position of messengers are different during their lives; they are interactive teachers and curious students as well. We have the chance to ask them further questions, discuss issues, learn their intention, and even correct their mistakes. On the other hand, they have the opportunity to correct our misunderstandings. However, when they pass away their teaching becomes frozen and looses its advancing three-dimensional character. The frozen, snap-shot fragments of knowledge is a dangerous weapon in the hand of ignorant people to stop God's teachings. They defend every plain error in the name of the messenger. They insult every sincere students of God's revelation.

"Say, 'I do not ask you for any wage. But, what I ask from each of you is to take care of the relatives'" (42:23).

This verse is mostly abused by Shiite Muslims. They claim that prophet Muhammad was ordered to ask help for HIS relatives. This distortion created a class of blood sucking people surviving on charity. Hundreds of thousands of people in Iran, Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries claim that they are descendents of prophet Muhammad (Sayyeed or Shareef) and they are entitled to obligatory financial help. They abuse the verse mentioned above to exploit people economically. However, the verse does not say "my relatives". The context of the verse is plain enough to state that Muhammad does not need a wage from the believers and if they can help somebody they should help their own relatives. Indeed, helping the relatives is a divine command repeated in 2:83; 4:36; 8:41; 16:90.

The special status given to the descendents of Muhammad through Fatima and Ali has created a privileged and "sacred" religious class.


[size=14pt]An analogy[/size]

The Quran broadcasts a very clear message. However, the problem is with our receivers. If our receiver does not hear the broadcast or cannot understand it well, then something is wrong with our receiver and we have to check it. If the signal is weak, we need to recharge our batteries, or reset our antennas. If we do not receive a clear message, we need to tune into the station, to the station of Quran alone, in order to get rid of the noises and interference from other sources. We may ask some help from knowledgeable people or experts for this task. If the receiver does not work at all, then we have to make a sincere effort to fix the broken parts. However, if we believe that the problem is in the broadcast, then nobody can help us. The divine broadcast can be heard in detail only by those who sincerely tune in, i.e., those who take it seriously and act accordingly.

The condition of our receiver and the antenna, the power of the battery, and the precision level of our tuning are very important in getting the divine message properly.

a) If the verse 33:21 requires Muhammad's hadith, then why would not the verses 60:4,6 require Abraham's hadith? Which books narrate hadiths from Abraham?

b) You try to justify your collections of hadiths by using 33:21. Ironically, your collections do not provide an exemplary character. How can you claim that an eye-gouger, a urine-prescriber, a sex maniac is a "good example"?

c) The Quran states "Obey God and the messenger." How can you twist this commandment and make Bukhary, or Al-Kafy and many other story books as the second source of Islam? According to verse 4:59 we have to obey the people in charge too. Thus, does it mean that Islam is a co-authored religion by at least three sources?

d) The first verse of Chapter 9 states that an ultimatum is issued from God an His messenger. We know that the verses about the ultimatum are entirely from God. Muhammad was not the co-author of the ultimatum. Muhammad's only mission was to deliver God's message (16:35; 24:54). Thus, the reason that God includes the messenger in 9:1 is messenger's participation as a deliverer of the ultimatum. Why don't you apply this explanation to other verses where the word "messenger" is mentioned after God?

e) Why do you distort the meaning of 53:3,4 by taking it out of context?

f) By claiming that it is the mission of the messenger to explain the Quran, you contradict 16:35; 55:2; 75:19 and many other verses. In order to support your claim you opt a different meaning of "litubayyena" in 16:44. In fact, the word "litubayyena" of 16:44 is no different than the one in 3:187. This verse tells us that the people who received the revelation should "proclaim the scripture to people, and never conceal it." How can you claim that the meaning of "litubayyena" in 16:44 is "to explain", but not "to proclaim"?

g) You have created a privileged class out of descendents of the prophet Muhammad by misinterpreting 42:23. What are the Arabic equivalence of "the relatives" and "my relatives"? Which one is mentioned in that verse?



To be continued......
Islam for Muslims / Re: Which Hadith Do You Believe Besides The Quran? (45:6) by usisky(m): 11:22pm On Aug 11, 2012
@Lagosshia

like i have emphasized all along. Ma reasons fr rejecting d hadith are based on d quranic injunctions not to uphold any other source besides it as a source of religious guidance. And believe me, nothing shall make me disobey d words of ma creator. But since u keep insisting on accepting some hadiths, i have asked if u have a compilation of hadiths which u believe are authentic. If u do, pls refer me to it. I will scrutinize and give ma verdict. Peace!
Islam for Muslims / Re: Quranist: Has Jesus (AS) Passed Away? by usisky(m): 11:05pm On Aug 11, 2012
^^^L-Shia. Let me dispel u of ur myth a little. Seriously ponder on dis:

>>>d quran declares dat prophet muhammad was d last nabiyy(prophet). Dnt u think if jesus were to return, dat would make him d last prophet den?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Quranist: Has Jesus (AS) Passed Away? by usisky(m): 10:59pm On Aug 11, 2012
^^^Mr lagosshia. Thanks again. I will not drag dis too far wit u as i knw hw easily provoked u Can be. However, u shld take cognizance of d fact dat no quranic verse u would quote in which i have never familiarized wit. As i said, i wil provide d quranic perspective God willing.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Quranist: Has Jesus (AS) Passed Away? by usisky(m): 10:47pm On Aug 11, 2012
^^^@Myers. As far as d biblical account concerning jesus' crucifixion, yes it's dead accurate. Jesus was killed. As regard resurrection, no. I think these concepts have been grossly miscontrued by d interpreters of d bible; d ascension especially. Anyhow, i do not expect u to agree wit me fr nw, but i wil God willing provide a better exposition than ma previous as in d link i provided.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Quranist: Has Jesus (AS) Passed Away? by usisky(m): 10:35pm On Aug 11, 2012
^^^Sallam Mr. Lagoshia. I understand ur position on this subject, and i am not gonna contend dat wit anybody. U are free to believe watevr u feel makes sense to u. I wil by God's grace give d quranic perspective on d matter. I have my reasons for upholding d quran alone, and dnt really expect u to acquiesce with dat.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Quranist: Has Jesus (AS) Passed Away? by usisky(m): 10:25pm On Aug 11, 2012
^^^Mr. Mac. I go ban u o! Y u want derail d thread? Make i respite u fr nw. Next time na a week ban u go get. LoL

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