Aloy~Emeka:

It's Mike Adenuga plz.

Could very well be. In Nigeria, it's hard to measure anything.

mekusxxx:

Lagos (and not the entire south west) definitely has more opportunities but those were not created solely by Yorubas.

I am not talking Yoruba here. Dangote, a Northerner is more ore less the largest employer in Lagos, and Nigeria wide.
I am talking about a region regardless of its occupants.
I could care less if the residents are from Zamfara. My point is that the SW of Nigeria provides the most opportunity
in Nigeria.
I am certain the stats you referred me to does not take into account state of region. It basically compiles data from a region and simply
extrapolate without factoring ethnic background.

I will go over them at some point. However, it still won't change the facts on the ground.
Poverty level is very hard to measure in Nigeria where reliable data is hard to collect.

How is poverty level in Nigeria determined? With what data?
A simplistic and yet more realistic approach is net migration.  If we use the net migration approach, we can safely conclude that SW is the place to be; and like Tpia said
the North is the next best after SW if not for the civil unrest in that region.

Aloy~Emeka:

I am not insulting buster. Your claim was as laughable as saying the crop of American economy lies on Arizona. If you have an idea of the economy of Onitsha and aba, you won't make such comment but i will forgive you because you know not.

There is nothing laughable about my position. You may simply disagree with my assertion by stating you position backed with numbers without name calling.
I assume that your reference to "buster" was all in good faith.

mekusxxx:

Vangogh

How many people do these industries and fed agencies employ and what is the pay structure in Ibadan? We are talking of poverty levels among the average people and even the UNDP stat and the ones I posted earlier corroborate that the South East is less afflicted by poverty than others regions.
A trader in Onitsha and Aba makes in one day what those fed workers in Ibadan make in 1 year
Go thorugh the file below. It will take sometime to digest because it is large.

http://web.ng.undp.org/reports/nigeria_hdr_report.pdf

You still have not answered my question.  
I have not read the document, so I can't refute its content. Like most stats in Nigeria, it's probably riddled with flaws.
However,  I do know that the SW corridor is still and attraction to many from different part of Nigeria, and there is a reason for that.
I can assure you it is not for sight-seeing.  It is a fact that more people move into SW than any other region in Nigeria.





Poverty level in a given area

Aloy~Emeka:

Are you crazy?. Onitsha is the 2nd economic powerhouse of Nigeria followed by Kano and PH.

It's a shame when we resort to insult to express a point.

mekusxxx:

Buahah. Please provide stats to back your claims of Ibadan being the next best after Lagos and Abuja. Port Harcourt is way more developed than Ibadan, so is Enugu and Calabar. Stop listing fed agencies which are more or less dead facilities. Go to CRIN and see the decay there. The volume of money passing daily in Anambra and Abia markets surpass the entire budget of Oyo.

Why don't post you your stats? Name the industries, institutes in those cities.
Mere boasting with words mean nothing.  I have been to those  cities, and none of them
is anything close to Ibadan. Calabar is neat but it is no economic nerve.  Enugu is just plain dead.
Like I asked, name any major corporations in these two cities.
PH, I'll admit has some activity but in no way the size of Ibadan or its commercial activity.

All the corporations I listed are functional -Nigerian way.

You may not admit it, South West is still the preferred destination in Nigeria.
Go to Sango-Ota, in Ogun State - it's becoming the next Lagos with people from all parts of Nigeria arriving daily.

@Becomrich,

Could you stop posting these images? They detract the thread.
Thanks

Many of the stats in Nigeria are skewed and should not be used a sole reference for fact finding.
A more reliable index for economic trend Nigeria is net migration. People tend to follow opportunities.  South-West is still the preferred destination in Nigeria.

The South-West of Nigeria is still by a long margin the commercial hub of Nigeria with Lagos, Oyo, Ogun states leading the pack amongst the South-Western states.

Of the top-ten GDP states, three are from the south-west; none of which is oil or its derivative producing state; their economy is based solely on commercial activity.

Excluding the city of Lagos, the city of Ibadan has the second largest economy of any city in Nigeria even surpassing that of Kano that was once at par with it. While Ibadan may have seen its share of decay in the last decades, it still remains an economic power house in Nigeria.

Some of the notable companies situated in Ibadan:
O'dua Group   HQ in Dugbe Ibadan
Wema Bank Plc,
Great Nigeria Insurance Plc,
Wemabod Estates
Premier Hotel Ibadan
Lafia Hotel, Apata, Ibadan
Soleh Boneh Overseas (Nigeria) Limited, Ibadan,
Nigerian Wire & Cable Plc, Ibadan
Nigeria Construction & Water Resources Development Company Limited, Ibadan,
Nipol Limited, Ibadan
Askar Paints (Nig.) Ltd. Eleiyele, Ibadan
University press PLC Jericho, Ibadan
African Newspapers of Nigeria PLC. - Tribune newspaper Ibadan
Evans Brothers Nigeria Publishers Ltd
Polyfilm Packaging (Nig) Limited.  Oluyole Industrial Estate, Ibadan
Zartech (over 2000 employees) Ibadan
http://www.zartechltd.com/Company/company_about.htm
The Procter & Gamble Company - P&G Nigeria Ltd. (Main Office)
Oluyole Industrial Estate, Ibadan,
West African Batteries Limited, --Exide Batteries  (hardly functional)
University College Hospital Ibadan
Seven-Up Nigeria, Ibadan Plant
Nigerian Eagle Flour Mills Limited, Oluyole Industrial Estate, Ibadan, Oyo State
Lister Flour Mills Limited Podo Village, Old Ibadan Lagos Road, Dugbe, Ibadan
Dizengoff assembly plant  Ibadan
British American Tobacco Nigeria  -One of the largest manufacturing plants in Nigeria.

Ibadan also boasts of many international research Institutes

Institute of Agricultural Research and Training,
Moore Plantation, Ibadan
International Institute of Tropical Agriculture,
Cocoa Research Institute,
Forestry Research Institute
Nigeria Institute for Social and Economic Research (NISER) Ibadan
National Horticultural Research Institute, Ibadan


Ibadan is also home to many tertiary schools
University of Ibadan
Ibadan Polytechnic
Federal College of Agriculture - Ibadan - Nigeria
Federal College of Animal Health and Production Technology.
Agricultural Institute for Research and Training
Federal School of Forestry
Lead City University, Ibadan

Aside of Lagos, there is no other city in Nigeria that boasts of many corporations or institutions as Ibadan.
I have being to many parts of Nigeria; North, South, West and East, almost all are below world-class save for Lagos and Abuja. Ibadan is the closest to those two in terms of development.

Beaf:

Yeah, your brain is full of grass.
You call someone who is not religious a "faithful". Wow! Not speaking (call it "grazing" doesn't hide certain deficiencies. . .

It is amazing how one person's observation will elicit so much wrath from you. It speaks volume to your
temperament.  You can simply agree or disagree with her observation. Like I said earlier, I will not join issue with you.
This is my last response to you.

Beaf:

A very obvious coward

Another vindication!
You may not know this, you belong to the first group subset a and b. Hope you fix yourself, and don't think I'll
join issue with you. Remember I am a grazer.

@Naijababe


Some of the responses so far have vindicated you! Some posters are actually classifying themselves without
realizing they are doing so.
Expect more of the  "same ole same ole" from the first group.
Good-luck - you need it to withstand their venom.

naijababe:

Having a lot of time on my hands these days gives me the opportunity to visit NL a lot more often than I used to. I enjoy coming to NL for a variety of reasons; chief of which is the comedy factor. My visits have however translated into grouping nairalanders into categories that I'd group Nigerians as below:

1) The Ostriches: A vast majority of NLs and Nigerians belong in this group; this group also have a large subset namely:
a) Ethnicists - those who believe in the Utopia that will evolve once their ethnic group is carved out of Nigeria because they are the best of Nigeria. You can't even say goodmorning to these people without the conversation degenerating into some tribalistic BS
b) Faithfuls - the ones who believe only in the God factor, these ones are waiting for God to come and solve their man-made problems, IMO they have their heads in the clouds most of the time
c) The fanatics - very similar to the ethnicists, every thread degenerates into a religious fisticuff. A lot of these people I personally find irritating
d) Elites - The ones who do not see anything wrong with Nigeria because their position does not allow them to do so
2) The Ignorants - These people provide the comedy I alluded to ealier, some of them believe that grammar equals intelligence and when backed to corner will resort to insults. All most all the time everything to them is either black or white, you'll have a hard time having a sensible conversation with them and for this group common sense is not common
3) The realists - IMO, these people will always back up their arguments with facts and aren't usually unwilling to stand corrected when proved wrong
4) The Grazers - These people are mostly spectators, their attitude is that of "siddon look"
5) The Idiots - The fuddyduddies who provide even greater comedy than the Ignorants.

Good observation. I actually think the "Grazers" are largest group -they just don't want to entangle themselves with the first group.
How I wish the moderators of NL are on top of things; especially on the Politics section that has degenerated into a haven for ethnic bashers.
I'll classify as part of the "Grazers." Good classification nevertheless.

Kenezi:

If lawyers wearing wigs which they adopted from the colonial days is colonial mentality, then you better stop wearing English and western clothes because Nigerians didn't wear them before Nigeria was colonised. Stop everything the British brought over! That will be a laugh.

We do not have to retain everything from the colonial era; obviously, some things are okay to retain, and
some we need to do away with. This wig wearing "thing is of no significance value, and if you ask me, it makes
Nigerian lawyers look stone-aged. 

If you compare the dressing of American lawyers to that of Britain/Nigeria, you'll see
that American lawyers appear smarter.  Just to clarify, I am not in anyway implying that American lawyers are smarter than
Nigerians in terms of their trade.

I have always wondered why any sane person would want to don
a piece of rag on his/her head.
It is nothing but colonial mentality!  Sooner we extricate ourselves from this
mentality the better for future lawyers. We need to see ourselves from the Nigerian
perspective, and not that of British regardless of our past association with Britain.

I have always wondered why any sane person would want to don
a piece of rag on his/her head.
It is nothing but colonial mentality! Sooner we extricate ourselves from this
mentality the better for future lawyers. W to see

KnowAll:

What Fashola should do is take 72 federal police 2 commisoner, 4  Supretendent, and 6 Inspectors. The rest 60 officers will be ranks pivate to sergeant. He should divide Lagos into 6 operational zones.  Each operational area will be led by an inspector, and 9 men armed to the teecth, with laser targeting rifles, snipers rifle to the top of the range sub-machine guns.

Funding

Since they are drawn from d federal Police there Salaries will still be paid by the Feds. What will happen will be assuming a Supretendent gets 30,000 a month Fashola will be paying them 90,000.00 plus a decent accomodation. The same salary structure will be replicated through out the ranks from commisioner to private.

Funtions

There main task will be to confront armed robbers fire for fire just like the swat in the USA and the SO19 in the Uk.
These are crack units, when they are not fitghting crime they busy homing up their targeting skills in their base.

This suggestion will auger well for both d federal authorities and d state. A case or argument for independent STate Police will be unfounded especially with the reservation expressed by political opponents.

I could not have agreed with you more. However, SWAT and likes are used for more of counter-terrorism engagements than intelligence, -reactive enforcement.

Lagos needs a team that can gather its own intelligence and execute its own offensive actions in combating
this menace (armed-robbery) that has plagued Lagos and other metropolis for far too long.  A  proactive enforcement unit sort of.

BTW, how can  Fashola go about procuring a police unit from the Fed. without tripping the constitution?

babapupa:

MEND thugs and other Terrorist clowns.

Be warned, 

While this is not a bad move, I would be happier if Fashola focused his effort on the safety of the people of Lagos.
He should find a way to establish anti-armed robbery squad for Lagos State without flouting any federal law; mind you, not necessarily
his own police which I think is a bad idea from the get go.
Nevertheless,  kudos to him.

Beaf:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

Again, how is this related to Iran-Iraq war? I mean the war fought between Iran and Iraq.
In any event, oil producing nations do go to war. and that is a fact.

Beaf:

Your analysis is just so wrong.
There were pressing matters of the US ego being bruised by Iran who were holding US citizens hostage, the rest is history.
At the time of the Angolan war, oil had not yet been discovered there etc etc etc

How wrong?
Oil was discovered in Angola in 1955, war commenced in 1975 and lasted 25yrs.
"Oil was first discovered in Angola in 1955, but production did not really start to climb until the discovery of oil offshore Cabinda in the 1960s."
Source:http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Angola's_oil_industry

Please enlighten me what the US citizens hostage crisis had to do with Iran-Iraq war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War


Mr Internet can confirm this info. Use the Internet, he is your friend.

pepellini:

The article is nice, however it is has a very myopic view of the Niger Delta, there is NOT a single oil rich region in the world that is allowed to fall into total chaos.

Western society will NOT and has NEVER allowed such a thing to happen for obvious reasons.

If the Niger Delta attempts to separate the G5 will have to ask:
- is it in our best interest to support them.
- will they be more reliable than Nigeria.

the answer to both questions is yes.

Many oil-rich countries have fought wars in the past.

Iran-Iraq war.
Algeria Civil War
Angola Civil War
These are just but a few of oil-rich nations that had been engaged in war at one time or the other.
Please discount the notion that G5 can prevent any war.  If anything, oil-rich nations are prone to war. Heck! The USA is currently involved in two wars -one with a oil-rich nation.

Very profound, it's a food for thought for all regardless of where you stand on this subject.
There is no fear mongering in this article, if anything, the writer did not capture all possible scenarios that
are likely to play out.
For example, he did not touch the issue of refugees -the resulting stateless people that are
likely to arise from the break-up. What do you do with them?

There are several minorities in each geographical region, fitting them into a larger composite will always be a challenge.
We can theorize about each minority group, slice and dice them, or even carve them as depicted in several maps by some posters here, truth is; when swords are
drawn, alliances would be formed and foes identified.
True federation is the only solution for now until such a time that the rights of minorities are respected and protected by the
larger ethnic groups.
Any thing other than true federation is a sure call for what the writer enunciated in his article.

@Dede1,
You certainly do not understand Yoruba people. You seem to have some of kind of hatred for Yoruba people judging from
your posts.
Real strength lies in diplomacy and knowing when to pick up the sword. If you think Yoruba people do not want out or are the "weak-link," think again.
I'll submit to you that in 1993, the Yoruba wanted out and but were pacified by the installation of Sonekan, still the fight continued
until 1999 when the North acquiesced to our demands. Learn the power of diplomacy and you'll surmount a lot. My 2 cents.

I definitely do not want Lagos Police or any other law enforcement agency under the control of any governor.
The reason is simple; Lagos Police is likely to be used for political gains, If not Fashola, it could be the next governor.
There are currently too many law enforcers in Lagos already, and all they seem to be doing is oppressing Lagosians!
I can attest to that as I had been extorted by LASTMA before for no apparent reason. I'm sure this happens to many helpless people on a
regular basis.

While it is a good practice in theory to have a separate police for each state, in reality,  there are too many logistics involved for best practices.
I'd suggest we start by putting the current fed police in each state under the authority of the governor of that state.  The fed can always yank this privilege
if it perceives any abuse of power by the state.
IMO, I think Fashola should be laying the ground work for effective law enforcement.  Focus should be on things like, ID database,  civil education for lagosians, effective judicial system (not sure this falls under state,) if not, advocate for state courts.
Policing without effective judiciary will definitely result in what currently obtains now in Naija. You simply bribe your way out or get put in "awaiting trial" cell.

Dede1:

@okokomeji

I have no intentions to reply to goofy posts. However if such posts devoid of truth and intellect were allowed to pass without rebuttal, morons such as you would mistake them as gospel. I have observed that you edited this post from the previous ones. Did you realize that first person out of the protectorates to earn PhD was Nnedum Okonkwo.

Both Crowther and Marculaey were not Yoruba but claimed Yoruba due the fact that freed slaves from Freetown found their way to Lagos.

For the sake of posterity, Macaulay did not alone found NNDP. He accomplished the feat with individuals such Mr. Egerton-shyngle, Dr CC Adeniyi-Jones (Sierra Leoneans), Bars. Eric Moore and J. C. Zizer (Sierra Leonean). He was not even president of party.

The National Youth Movement founded by H.O. Davis (returnee) Dr. J C Vaughan (returnee) Dr. Kofo Abayomi (returnee) Mr. Ernest S Ikoli, Dr. Nnamdi Azikwe and Mr. O. Awolowo defeated NNDP during the Lagos Town Council election of 1938. It is the factions of National Youth Movement and NNDP that gave rise to NCNC 1944 with Haerbart Macaulay as the president and Zik the national secretary.

Samuel Ajayi Crowther was born in Osogun, modern day Oyo state in 1809. Herbert Macaulay was born in Lagos in 1864. He was the grandson of Ajayi Crowther.
While it is true that many returnees returned to Lagos, Ajayi Crowther's case was different, he was actually a captured slave that was set free in Sierra Leone, and he simply returned back to his roots, Nigeria.
Many returnees (Brazilians) did return to San Gros area --a section of Lagos.

sjeezy8:

omg dis niggu is sooo fuckin ugly lol

as if the parents came to america for dis fool to be starting fires(maybe) and living in the woods ode oshi
went to a good uni probably would have went on to become very successful

he must have went MAD

Did you read the story? Where is your compassion for our fellow countryman who appears to be unstable?
Please be sensitive to issues like this. I am certain this is painful for his family and friends.

@Akwesi,

"Ghana must go" was a decision made by the Nigerian government of Shehu Shagari because of the
economic decline in Nigeria in the early eighties.
It was also seen as an attempt by political observers as a political calculation by the Nigerian government to force Jerry Rawlings,
who had just seized power for the second time, to reopen Ghana's borders that he closed upon seizing power.
Please ignore the ethnic rants of some deranged individual(s) on this board.