Scholar8200:

The Lord be magnified! After many wrong accusations and calling me a pharisee, need I answer? NO! Why? Wisdom tells me your conclusion is already cast in bold relief and any answer will be used for purposes contrary to the purpose of the Thread!


(Though you multiply this question a thousand times, sir, forget an answer; in any case you can go ahead with whatever you like to say!)

A thread on Grace was with expectation that words posted (by those who have met grace) should at least be with grace but it has been the other way round!

Scholar8200:
Now thanks be to God for His unspeakable Gift!

Scholar8200:
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.'

Revelation 22:11,12

When we were not yet reconciled to God our lives were characterised by wicked works (Colossians 1:21) but after we are reconciled to God by faith in Christ, there is a transformation and that also shows by a life zealous of good works Titus 2:11-14.

Gombs:


if i kunk you ehn

no mind vooks...

Scholar8200:
For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
1 Corinth 4:7

If a poor man claims to receive a Gift of $1m and still comes begging tomorrow we know he is lying! If a sinner says he is saved by Grace and [size=48pt]CONTINUES in sin[/size], he is a liar! It is a Received Life, not the fruit of self-effort. However, when it is received, it manifests!

The holiness of life made possible by Grace is such that we, by the Indwelling Spirit, shine as lights but we know that this Life is not of ourselves, it is a Treasure in Earthen vessel that we can only be grateful for; no room for conceitedness!

Scholar8200:
This is an open thread, however, every one will be responsible for his posts before God.

OLAADEGBU:


"Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come" (1 Cor. 16:2).

Bingo! That verse alone deflates your theory in one go.

God doesn't play dice.

Gombs:


Nice one bro...

if i may advice you, i'd ask you to forget the bloke called vooks...you have made your point, the world will read it, you really don't have to drag it with vooks...i am still surprised he hasn't called you my third moniker sef.

Gombs:


let me get this straight...So, Jethro was a Cushite who became a chief in Midian, and then his 7 daughters became Cushite Midianicans, and Moses in verse 21 of Exodus 2, consented to stay with the man, and he gave his daughter Zipporah to Moses. (This was marriage already)

..then years later, they now decided to get married, and Miriam and Aaron got pissed that he's marrying a woman he was given to, even before he ever thought of leading some 3 million folks outta Egypt.



Wonderful theory!

Gombs:


you're sounding like a girl whose doll was snatched from her...here, come hug it out...

Savant:


I don't want to join issues with you. You are as guilty as the people you accuse because you are already biased to disbelieve Chris. If Chris said "my wife disrespected me" he would have given us something to rationalize. Maybe she slapped him, maybe she talked back at him, maybe she flouted his instructions, maybe she insulted him verbally. However you choose to treat it, 3 fingers are pointing back at you.

1. Anita asked for the divorce. Use your tongue to count your teeth. You can't be saving your marriage and asking for a divorce. In that YouTube message that you probably haven't listened to, he told his pastors that he was as shocked as they were to hear about the divorce. He even related it to the same way the Chris Okotie saga began.

1b. That aspect about extended separation is just piffle for lack of a better word. None of the factions raised it up at any point in time. Just bloggers.

2. Listen to that message on YouTube and tell me how she was painted as anything you are alluding to. Please bear in mind that whoever recorded that message did it against Pastor Chris' knowledge or consent. Even the sound quality betrayed it. The caption of the message showed that they were anti-Pastor Chris. I listened to the close to 2hr message. Not a single thing was said in a way to demean her. In fact, I understand that his daughters where in that meeting.

3. Nobody suggested he was reminding her that he was the head. She knew it. I am saying (based on the OP) she felt she was above every other person in church and may be he disagreed with that. I alluded to this because he mentioned that she was a regular member in another pastor's church before Chris met her. So in other words, to him, she is still spiritually junior to the said pastor. All conjectures but that is what I could infer.

5. The message in question was a 2007 message or so. I mean the one about marriage (I will check again to be sure). If anything >>7 years ago is "RECENT" to you, then time travelling should be your profession.

6. Media spin. Chris said those were not the allegations. The divorce documents from Anita agree with him. But your own imagination should be commended. J.K Rowling stuff if you ask me.

7. It is your call. You perfectly rationalized it here too.

8. Yes. Convenient. She refused to, and his 22 year old as well as 20 year old don't know enough to tell if their dad psychologically abused their mum because she hid it from them but divorced him publically.

9. The "viral" message was not released by him. Someone (a Pastor, perhaps the excommunicated Pastor Okogie) skillfully recorded it with a device whilst attending the meeting.

I have nothing more to say.

OLAADEGBU:


But there are Scriptures that encourage me to go to church, no?

Zobski:

Popular Ghanaian witch doctor, Priest Nana Kwaku Bonsam , has had a ‘war ’ with popular Nigerian Prophet, TB Joshua , at least once in the last two years
— Priest Nana Kwaku Bonsam says he backs up over 1 , 700 African preachers ‘spiritually ’
Prophet TB Joshua who is the founder of Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN ), has come under fire several times for allegedly hiring people to pretend to be sick and disabled and then claim to heal them during his prayer meetings .
Kwaku Bonsam , who operates from a shrine at Sa -Peiman , a village on the outskirts of Nsawam in east Ghana, is assumed to be a very strong witch doctor who is also called ‘Devil of Wednesday’ .
Apparently , this Ghanaian priest is said to be very powerful , that he has claimed he’s the ‘spiritual father ’ of some of the most powerful preachers in Africa .
Here’s what the priest had to say :
“ Over 1 , 700 pastors and so called men of God from different parts of Africa have approached me, seeking powers to perform miracles , including Prophet T . B Joshua from Nigeria . He is my boy . I challenge him to come out and deny this. Apart from the pastors , many prominent business people and celebrated church founders in Africa frequent my shrine for my services and if they deny, I am going to name them . ”
Kwaku Bonsam went on to say that his god is called Kofi -Kofi, and he fortifies him with supernatural powers which he in turn provides to pastors across Africa.
The question is , why would he choose to threaten to expose his ‘dedicated’ patrons ?






Source : Naij

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Gombs:


I have refuted your claims, sadly, for some inexplicable reasons, you don't see it.

meanwhile, I'm doing a study on Cushite Midianicans.

... you can wait all you like.

Gombs:


...her dad was described as the [size=18pt]chief of Midian,[/size] and he had seven daughters…


imagine the princess of the emir of Kano being described as an igbo woman living in Kano!

Savant:
I did a little research concerning the issues between Pastor Chris and his wife when I stumbled unto that viral message he had with his pastors in UK. So when I saw this message on Nairaland my interest was further piqued. I don't know which faction is saying the absolute truth but from the viral message I came up with the following:

1. Chris wanted to save his marriage. He refused to let anyone take sides and he insisted he and his wife were one.

2. Whatever issues they had, (even though he didn't state it) we can infer that it had to do with a power tussle and perhaps his views on submission in marriage.

3. I say power tussle because he referred to the fact that before marriage, Pastor Anita was a member of Rev Tom's church. Which to me was his subtle way of saying she was under someone's authority and will not become spiritually superior to him just because of marriage.

4. I also said submission in marriage, because he alluded to a message on marriage he made that perhaps rubbed Anita the wrong way. Some way in the message he said "I am not a fool. I cannot preach a message that will be detrimental to my children. I have 2 girls"

5. I am assuming his position on marriage according to that message made women totally answerable to their husbands. There is a reason to believe this because her divorce document had a statement that related to her not agreeing with his position on marriage and claiming it was too extreme.

6. She didn't accuse him of Adultery.

7. It is very possible that she asked for some female pastors to be sacked. Perhaps this is also why he said he answered to God and would not disobey God to please anybody. He hinted at that in his "I am a MOG not a preacher" message and asked the church to pray for her.

8. Whatever abuse she felt, maybe it was because some ministry decisions were taken without her or that he refused to listen to her advice that he should let the said female pastors go. I doubt he was physically abusing her or using caustic words on her. Female kids usually take their mum's side in such a situation and I don't get the impression that his children are at loggerheads with him.

9. Whatever it is, since the family want to keep it private, then people should leave them be.

My 2 cents.

Gombs:


Meaning she was both from the loins of Cush and Midian?...

Gombs:


bible said Jethro was a Midian, Zipporah obviously is... then comes wiseman vooks yelling

"Hey, Jethro, you're both a Cushite and a Midianite, go study about migrants and migration patterns!"...


then somewhere around Numbers 12, Moses' sibling are now mad at him for marrying Zipporah, who suddenly is a Cushite. This is some interesting story.

lol...when i read the above, my face was blank, hopefully to see some sense around...then i saw the below



I was like

Joagbaje:

1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues ().

In Acts 2:17 Peter quoted the words of the prophet Joel:

“And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy ....”

This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came. In Acts 1:8, Jesus said

you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.

One of the ways to put that power to work is through the gift of prophecy.

The gift of prophecy is a door to the supernatural; it’s a way to bring the supernatural power of God into your life, finances, job, or congregation if you’re a minister of the Gospel. Therefore, you must learn to prophesy! If you speak in tongues long enough, the anointing will come on you to prophesy; the Word of God will bubble up within you. And when that anointing comes on you, with the Word boiling inside you, give it vent; let it out. That’s prophecy.

To prophesy is to speak words that have divine potency; words that have life; so, don’t despise prophecy. Prophecy is like a guiding light. It was through prophecy that the people knew about the coming of Jesus. There were so many prophecies that the Saviour—the Messiah—would come. The only proof that God had for the people to recognize and say, “This is the messiah,” was His Word spoken by the prophets about Christ—the Messiah.

Prophecy is vital. Have there been prophecies about your life? Paul said to Timothy,

“This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare” (1 Timothy 1:18).

Make war with those prophecies. Take every word of prophecy concerning your life seriously. Write them down, so you don’t forget, and chart your course with the creative power of God’s Word in your mouth.

Gombs:
if Zipporah was a Cushite Midianican, why did Moses marry his wife again according to Num 12? was there a divorce? Why was Miriam and Aaron angry that their brother married his ex wife again? (Assuming you want to claim they had a divorce)

Gombs:



so, Zipporah was a Cushite Medianican?

Gombs:


You really should leave bible interpretation to the edified ones. Let me help you sir..

Numbers 12:12
Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses regarding the Cushite woman he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman.


The word "Ethiopian" is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word "Cush" who in Genesis 10.8 is recorded as one of the sons of Ham.

Question?
1. Who is the woman that is described here as “the Cushite woman he had married”?

but in Exodus chapter 2, the bible says ...

15 Pharaoh heard of this incident, and he sought to slay Moses; so Moses fled from before Pharaoh. He stayed in the land of Midian, and he sat down by a well.

16 Now the chief of Midian [/b]had seven daughters…

21 Moses consented to stay with the man, and he gave his daughter Zipporah to Moses.

these verses make clear, Moses married Zipporah who is from Midian.

it is very clear that Cush and Midian are very different places/people. Cush is in Africa, in the area of present day Sudan and Ethiopia, while Midian is in the area of present day Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

like i wrote above, Cush was a descendant of Ham, actually, his eldest son, and a grandson of Noah, while Zipporah, his Midianite wife was a descendant of Abraham through his wife Keturah.

1 Chronicles 1:32,33
Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bore Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and [b]Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan.

Noah had 3 sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Ham begat Cush, while Shem's line begat Terah who begat Abram, who in turn begat Midian through Keturah

Is Cush and Shem same people, just because the came from Noah, the Man who survived the flood?

Note:
Cush (Kush) is an hebraic word meaning "black" and it indicates Nubia, today’s Sudan, a country mainly populated by black people. Take a study about Cush, you'd be informed that he is the progenitor of the southernmost peoples located in Africa, around the Southern parts of Nile (Ethoipia).

Please explain to me how she was both midianite and cushite, seeing that the two set of folks are different people, especially skin-wise.

Weah96:


Because you have an artificial sense of what brightness means. Building structures with flat surfaces and right angles, and designing boxes that can move quickly through space are remarkable achievements, but meaningless. It is the epitome of vanity.
In other words, we're only doing those "intelligent and bright" things because death hasn't yet arrived. Consider them as activities we do to kill time until we die. While impressive and useful, they're also meaningless in the grand scheme.

We still rip open wildlife and devour their corpses. We feed their bodies to our children. I don't see the difference.

So I disagree that humans are special. Our sentience doesn't address the issue of death. We, along with the closest cockroach will die. But yea, we can use machines that enable us to move fast on the soil. And in the air. That's impressive.

Joagbaje:

1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues ().

In Acts 2:17 Peter quoted the words of the prophet Joel:

“And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy ....”

This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came. In Acts 1:8, Jesus said

you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.

One of the ways to put that power to work is through the gift of prophecy.

The gift of prophecy is a door to the supernatural; it’s a way to bring the supernatural power of God into your life, finances, job, or congregation if you’re a minister of the Gospel. Therefore, you must learn to prophesy! If you speak in tongues long enough, the anointing will come on you to prophesy; the Word of God will bubble up within you. And when that anointing comes on you, with the Word boiling inside you, give it vent; let it out. That’s prophecy.

To prophesy is to speak words that have divine potency; words that have life; so, don’t despise prophecy. Prophecy is like a guiding light. It was through prophecy that the people knew about the coming of Jesus. There were so many prophecies that the Saviour—the Messiah—would come. The only proof that God had for the people to recognize and say, “This is the messiah,” was His Word spoken by the prophets about Christ—the Messiah.

Prophecy is vital. Have there been prophecies about your life? Paul said to Timothy,

“This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare” (1 Timothy 1:18).

Make war with those prophecies. Take every word of prophecy concerning your life seriously. Write them down, so you don’t forget, and chart your course with the creative power of God’s Word in your mouth.

asalimpo:



It just doesnt add up.
If there was a pre-adamic civilisation, then many question arise.
Why didnt God save them , like he saved the human race?
if God chose to destroy them then He showed bias?
Spirits can occupy space, they are not limited by the laws of physics?
Satan was a cherub, He was a high ranking angel, so when he fell, God
still let him retain some of his powers.
The lesser angels, could be the demons and they are.
Even in the satanic kingdom, you see that the fallen beings maintain their heirarchy
according to their pre fall standing. e.g
princes (principalities), powers , rulers , then wicked spirits.

2) A lot of angels fell. if all of them retained their pre fall form, then they'd be no or little
distinction between those locked up in pits for the last day and those let lose.

3) God respects authority and works through one.
Notice, that when the Angel that went to retrieve Moses body was countered by satan,
the Angel respected satan because of his last office in God's kingdom.
So it stands to reason, that God still let the high ranking angels that fell to maintain, some
of their power and authority and gifts (though they'll all be perverted)
The rest as they left God's present, became hideous warped forms and developed vile cravings.

4) if demons are a pre-adamic generation,
then they wouldnt all be more intelligent than man or stronger than man .
The reason for this is that,
all human like spirits had to learn and grow.
and all human spirits are at different levels of intelligence and physical strenght - depending
on how motivated,gifted the human spirit is.
But demons are pound for pound, above man in all aspects.
Meaning, that either God created them with superlative intellect and strength or they all acquired it
in their life time. Eitherway, it doesnt add up. God creates seeds not full grown full capacity beings.
The exception are angels, and this is so because angels are ministering spirits - to minister to
God's babies (human spirits).
So the superlative intellect, strength of demons points again to their angelic roots.

5) Angels took on human form and mated with human females.
They did so because they wanted to enjoy sensual pleasures like humans.
After the flood they wanted to return to their first estate but were rejected,
if all angels cast out of heaven remained angels, with their angelic form,
then they could easily take on human form as they will but otherwise,
they'd still desire the benefits of being in a human body.
Note also, that when satan was cast out of heaven, his form changed.
He became a serpent, the dragon. Both his name and form changed.
But he could still revert back to his earlier form as an angel of light.
So,its equally likely that others experienced deformation too.

Gombs:


ok son, you saying Moses had ONLY one wife, yes or no?