Scholar8200:
we were shapen in iniquity and in sin were we conceived. Also, it says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. This remains the position till we believe on Christ. Since a baby is unable to intelligently believe and is amoral, there being no scriptural basis to decide their fate, I dont know.

All Legalists are tongue-tied. You are not the first.
So either ALL who have sinned includes infants who were shapen and conceived in iniquity, or it does not. Make up your mind and stop wasting my time.

How is an infant which is 'unable to intelligently believe and 'amoral' conceived in sin and shapen in iniquity?
Which scriptures tell you they are amoral?
And if they are amoral, can they at the same time be guilty of sinning which necessarily demands morality?

we cannot use that case, the Spirit had not yet been given hence he believed after the manner of the OT saints listed in Hebrews 11

Please briefly explain 'believed after the manner of OT saints'
Also explain the difference between believing Jesus before and after the Spirit was given.
While at it explain what belief disciples had seeing they believed before Spirit was given

More on IMPUTED righteousness, a doctrine that irks Legalists because they have no conception of Grace whatsoever in their Pharisaical minds
2 Corinthians 5:21(KJV)
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Ask them HOW Christ became sin for us

Weah96:
He could've also been talking about the Ivory Coast, and the terrorists still being in the country after the resort massacre.

This man is worse a scumbag.

Please watch the second clip. He identifies the FRENCH COUNTRY as France

Scholar8200:

Just as Adam's sin was imputed to all his descendants together with the consequences and nature,

Hold it right there.
You inherited Adam's sin?
So, what happens to an infant who has Adam's sin when they die? Go to hell?

when we repent and believe on Jesus Christ God justly imputes the righteousness, and nature (by His Spirit) in us.

See Psalm 32:2
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord Imputeth not iniquity AND IN WHOSE SPIRIT IS NO GUILE!

This proves what I said that Imputation and Impartation occurs simultaneously and the absence of the fruits of the latter voids the faith that claims the former!

What fruit did the thief on the cross produce?

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gordona4real:
Here we go again...

As the world mourns the tragic terror attack in Brussels, Belgium, Nigerian 'Prophet' T.B. Joshua has released a video to YouTube claiming he foretold the strike some weeks earlier.

Speaking of a 'French country' in his time of prophecies on Sunday 31st January 2016, the cleric said, "They have to tighten their security; it’s not yet over. These evil people are in the town."

The popular 'prophet' was seemingly referring to the perpetrators of the terrorist attack in Paris that left 130 dead in November 2015. "The people they chased out - there are some that are still there. They want to strike back."

He added that the 'evildoers' would look for an opportunity to strike an 'assembly of people'.

"They will blow - a lot of people will die. It will be the North part of a French country," Joshua warned, calling on congregants and viewers of his popular Christian channel Emmanuel TV to prayer.

In the early hours of Tuesday 22 March 2016, three explosions occurred in Belgium: two at Brussels Airport in Zaventem and one at Maelbeek metro station in Brussels.

At least 34 people were killed and 230 others injured in the deadliest act of terrorism on Belgian soil.

Shortly after news of the attack, terrorist group ISIS claimed responsibility in 'revenge for Belgium's role in fighting militants in Syria and Iraq'.

"We pray that God would strengthen the families and friends all the victims of the horrific terror attacks that took place in Brussels," the description of the Emmanuel TV YouTube clip solemnly concluded.

T.B. Joshua has gained a reputation for 'predicting' disasters.

He also claimed he predicted the last terror attacks in Paris, the disappearance of Malaysian Flight MH370, the death of pop legend Michael Jackson and a host of other international incidents.

His alleged prophetic ability was recently questioned by Malawi's President Peter Mutharika who described Joshua as a 'false prophet' in response to a rumour the cleric had foretold his impending death.

SOURCE: Nigerian Eye - http://www.nigerianeye.com/2016/03/video-i-predicted-brussels-bomb-blast.html

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https://www.nairaland.com/3005763/false-prophet-tb-joshua-caught

Joagbaje:


You contradict yourself sir. In what way did the prophecy bring about Soul-winning. The man simply gave the bad news . He didn't even tell them the solution . Whatever the people did to survive is their business .TB Joshua even did better at least he told them to tighten security.i know that If it had been TB Joshua who gave the message that Agbus gave . You will question the prophecy because it has no salvation or repentance message . Chalatarnnn , fake etc...t. That is definition of double standard my friend.

I know there are prophecies for comfort and there are prophecies for edification . But there are prophecies of warning of impending danger and there are prophecies of judgement . There is not difference between the prophecy of impending danger that Tb Joshua gives sometimes and the prophecy of Agabus. You seem to be the one having double standard in your judgement here. Just because you don't like the man. Let's judge righteously

Is ignorance some 'spiritual gift' at CEC?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=074-zXBzWPg
https://www.nairaland.com/3005763/false-prophet-tb-joshua-caught#44023008


He was addressing France and he told them to tighten their security. He also specified WHEN it would occur; Wednesday to Sunday the following week. Why was he prescribing prayers if it was down to the people to do as they wish?

Why did he omit the France details? To make it fit Belgium or any other 20 French speaking country of which Belgium is not one of them

Amberon:
God bless you!

God bless you too. Do you support editing pas prophecy videos to fit present circumstances?

OLAADEGBU:


Why then did you tithe?

The same reason you go to church every Sunday

Cc Muafrika2

Scholar8200:
Sure He did.

So, what happened after He IMPUTED it? You became righteous. Before God, you are as righteous as Jesus Christ, you partook his divine nature. Right away. Do you believe this?

After we are reconciled, there is an expected fruit holiness, unblameable and unreproveable life in God's sight! By trying or struggling? NO
By surrendering to the faith of Christ Who lives in us!

No problem, but ever wondered why God IMPUTES righteousness on you in the first place?

In short, what is the PURPOSE of imputing RIGHTEOUSNESS of God/Christ by faith and not works?

Joagbaje:


You're wrong if that's your opinion of me. I judge neural . I stand by the word . I should accuse you of biase

You 'Judge neutral' yet you said you choose to believe Oyaks over Anita?
If that is neutrality, then you are one hopelessly conflicted fella

Image123:


Don't mind Jo, he is prejudiced because it is his pastor's friend. If it was Anita or somebody not recognised by his pastor, he will not be here defending the so called prediction.

I see!
He even started a thread declaring TB Joshua to be a prophet with or without cooked prophecies.

You should look it up

Image123:


This confirms the scam. Rubbish upon nonsense, what is the meaning of North-South? What direction is that one in geography? that's everywhere na. North-South is the whole country, no specific, so why is he talking like he knows the French one and doesn't know the Saudi Arabia one. Lemme help him, it will also be North South. Someone will die in the North-South of Saudi Arabia today. We believe you have been blessed. That is not the Spirit of God talking, that's generalisation and conjecture.

My broda,
It is abject poverty of intelligence of all sort that he still has fans

Candour:


Gombs, must you sink this low? Is the matter so desperate you had to wake up this your other moniker? You even greeted yourself in the heading??

Kai!!! vooks, see what you're making my friend indulge in!!!

Gombs is now talking to himself

Oyaks has bewitched them, they now suffer from MPD

Just their hypocrisy is nauseating. On one hand we should leave it to God to judge but at the same time, they judge Anita as a liar and Oyaks as an angel because he took communion and did not drop dead

Gombs aka Amos Jack

Candour:


Forget this guy abeg. Deluded folks will keep following so they don't 'miss the blessings god gave him for them'

Even Rev King the murderer still has people dumb enough to still hold him as a prophet or even a Messiah.

I hear you my broda.
I have done my bit in educating them, I just found this to be a shining example of deception. They stand warned, they have no excuse

Similarities between ISIS/Daesh and TB Joshua:
They both exploit tragedies to publicize their various skills as ruthless and invincible, and prophet respectively

Gombs:


Fine... I now have a confirmation that you equated the church to a Islamic group... Just because I didn't subscribe to your line of reasoning concerning Pastor Chris.

Thanks for the time.

Red herrings are your staple; how do you live with yourself? Taking communion and marveling that you haven't died?

MuttleyLaff:
vooks free me jor. Leave me alone.
I've had enough say on this thread and am done on the thread. Thanks

My broda, I love you with the love of Christ. Don't leave the thread, hang on, there is much to be had here and much to share.

MuttleyLaff:

It is the enabling power or force

The 'enabling power' can speak, be grieved,be blasphemed and is most certainly referred with personal pronoun HE.
John 14:16-17 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

What was that thing you said about information?

MissSlimbody:
He specifically mentioned France.
North and south part of France to be precise.

Why did they edit that part out
Men of God indeed

Thanks bro, had not noticed the North-South bit. His thick accent is atrocious to my ears. But that apart,mis that not as good as saying all over the country? What is not north is in the south, more like flipping a coin, it will land on eithef

MuttleyLaff:
The root of information and truth is bitter but it's fruit is eaten, it's sweet
My last 2 cents on this thread.

Two cents is a gross exaggeration of their worth. Not even in a hyper inflationary economy like Zim would they ever be two cents
The Holy Spirit is an IT?
What is it?

Gombs:


you just equated the church of God to a militant group... has it gotten this bad with you?

You are the one equating growth with vindication thereby implying retardation or stagnation is what proves the judgement of God. Get deep

Joagbaje:


It's not an issue . It's your purpose and calling that counts . Moses once separated from his wife and married an African woman. until his wife was later brought back .That didn't make him a failure . It's your call that counts.

Very true, marriage has nothing to do with 'purpose and calling', right?
When God told the priests in Malachi that he hates divorce, he was high on weed because what matters is their priestly calling and not marriage
And since marriage 'is not an issue', what else is not, is sexual orientation an 'issue'? I know some diligent gay soul winners.

John 6:66
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

from scripture above Some deciples left Jesus and never came back . That didn't make him a failure .he had a thief as treasurer who later sold him to the enemy . That didn't make him a failure . A man can only fail if he allow his experience to make him loose his focus and ministry. That's a big failure . You don't fail because someone walks away . Paul had close associates who got distracted and left him e.g Demas .

2 Timothy 4:10
For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, .

Which begs the question, since his marriage is not part of his 'purpose and calling', why did he immerse himself into it for 22yrs, or was he listening to Devils all these years?

Leave husband and wife matter alone . God is the judge of all hearts . Everyone is right in his own eyes[

Everyone, including Oyaks, right? Which makes me wonder why you so desperately believe him yet God is the judge of all hearts and he may just be justifying himself. How about exercising the same agnosticism on Oyaks!

John 7:7 (KJV)
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
The Legalists thought they were better placed to stone a woman caught in adultery, until Jesus reminded them without sin to cast the first stone.

I can see Legalists stoning others here, while hallucinating that they are mirror images of God's characters

Perish modern Pharisees!

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Scholar8200:
Pls, where did I imply that?

But the Bible clearly tells us we receive Grace by faith and faith teaches us to deny worldly lusts and ungodliness and to live righteously and godly Titus 2:11,12? So holiness of life is a Result of Grace received not a price to receive Grace!

Agreed.


Nice teaching for a new convert, but if he continues and there is no evidence of Grace, then there is a problem. And not only is your account credited before the Judge, also there is also an impartation by the Spirit that leads to transformation of life!

I find that clause disagreeable with the use of righteousness imputed as a legal transaction! That of we being clothed is Righteousness Imparted. This is also Gift of Grace which we receive by faith but must watch and be renewed in:

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Revelation 16:15

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Revelations 3:4

Agreed 100%

But was Jesus here commanding something His Grace cannot do in us? Did not the Bible say God works in us both to Will and Do His Good Pleasure? How about this :


Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Hebrews 13:20,21
Shouldnt we rather seek the fulfilment of these greater provisions of His Grace?

Remember Jesus said not all that call Him Lord will enter but they that do His will and that is what is promised here not by our trying or struggling but by His Working in us and we surrender?


Agreed 100%

The Law described the righteousness but could not give it.
But if we will be true to the Big picture of Romans, the righteousness which is apart from the Law, fulfils the righteous demands of the Law and exceeds it (Jesus showed this when He gave the Sermon on the Mount)

that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:4



As regards these questions, only God can answer this and his conscience and if neither condemns him, who are you to judge?
Besides, faith worketh by love!And we move in righteousness from faith to faith, receiving therewith grace for grace and being renewed by the Spirit from glory to glory! Where there is no growth, death is evident!





Like I said about receiving Life, see this:

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law
Galatians 3:21
Righteousness transcends just a judicial declaration to the receiving of Life! And that Life manifests to the degree to which we walk in the Spirit and allow Him mortify the flesh and its deeds (Romans 8:13)

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Has God IMPUTED the righteousness of Christ on you, or are you still slaving attempting the impossible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=074-zXBzWPg
1.Has anyone noticed how in the clip he mentions France FOUR times?
This means the reference to France is unmistakable. It was no slip of the tongue by any stretch of hallucination. Again, France is mentioned four times in 4 minutes


2. He also mentions the days to watch out for and therefore pray as Wednesday,Thursday,Friday Saturday and Sunday. That for starters is 5 out of 7 possible days of the week. The attack happened yesterday which I guess was a Tuesday? He got the day wrong. As if getting the day is not wrong enough, he told the church to watch over the following week Wednesday to Sunday, or 3rd of February to 7th. The attack happened over a month and 2 weeks from this. What happened? Did SCOAN push the tragedy forward by their prayers?


Cc Candour,Joagbaje,Muttleylaff,Image123

TeGaTeGa1:
Too bad, i trusted this man

We thank God that TB Joshua has shot himself in the foot. Please bro, focus on the fact that it is the truth that sets you free.

Virtually all his prophecy videos have some layer of deception on them. This is blasphemy

Gombs:


See now, you believed Anita's claims, and you agreed she was abused...

... But Pastor Chris came out, on a certain communion service and told the whole World, before God's Holy Communion and God's people, and said ALL those were not true.

I believed Pastor Chris' Testimony, and you still have a problem with my choice? You believed what you want to, I did... For my reasons, that if pastor Chris were to have lied to the whole world, and God's people, before the bread and wine... And yet God's kept him, for long as till Night Of Bliss South Africa and Ghana, and yet,Did mighty works through him, if he lied and God still kept the church in one piece... Then God must have been biased.

What's your reason for believing Rev Anita? Why do you have a problem with my choice of belief? You can believe whatever you will, but.. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome already told the world it's not true, believe him or not is your prerogative.

I can't believe that a whole pasta (sorry, I thought it was Jo)can reason thus
So since CEC is intact and 'growing' Oyaks is vindicated?
Is growth now the latest measure of a pasta's innocence?

That aside, did Oyaks tell you that Anita and her lawyers wanted a sizeable chunk of his wealth?

Scholar8200:


Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1 Thess 5:6-8

So,as per the highlighted, how come since you kick against right living even though efforts have been made to show that that is the result of Grace working in us?

So much accusation of self-righteousness and pharisee which you have not been able to prove by highlighting a post and showing how it contradicts the Big Picture of the NT and the teachings therein!

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I understand, when you have never experienced grace, all that stands between hell and yourself is your own efforts

Candour:


Don't hold your breath bro....they'll find words to explain everything.

Its the sheeple we should hope will receive instruction from these issues.

'Challenge of faith' is the new emergency exit when the hollow theology collapses into one messy heap,like SCOAN's guest house

Observe the fraud
Deliberate omission of the name FRANCE also in the comments

One of the lamest and dumbest excuse I've heard so far is that 'we know in part' hence there is room for error in prophecy.

Question is, why did false prophecies attract death sentence given this wriggle room in the OT? Or is it that NT prophecies are given freedom to err while OT they are not?

Secondly, the clip is clear; the country is identified as French Speaking, and is France, and it is warned against FURTHER attacks. If TB Joshua concocted all that given the frailty of his flesh, why should we trust ANYTHING he says?

Has he ever gotten anything right?
And if he does, what is the accuracy level demanded of prophets?