Scholar8200:
Just be kind enough to show me where I advocated keeping the law.

Did you not post that you are helped keep the law?

Scholar8200:


A NT saint is justified by faith in Christ and receives the Indwelling of the Spirit, quickened by the Latter, he is enabled (Grace) to please God in the deepest sense of the word.

A NT saint is born of the Spirit, is adopted as a son through Jesus Christ, Is Indwelt and empowered by the Spirit (enabling him to fulfil the righteousness of the law which law is written on the table of his heart by the same Person Who wrote it on tablets of stone-the Spirit, only that this time the Writer indwells him as a Power and Revealer of the Life of He that fulfilled the Law).

Scholar8200:
Yes.

You have the character of God as per Muafrika2's definition here?

Muafrika2:

A. Yes

You possess God's character as per your definition here?

Muafrika2:



Yet you just can't resist,



If you are devoid of the works of righteousness, call it the law or any other thing to excuse yourself, am sorry to inform you that you have no place in the Kingdom of God. Because the Kingdom of God is righteousness.

Muafrika2,
Are you righteous?

Muafrika2:

Never seen the sense. It's not a covenant am part of.

I only strive for one law in the new testament, which is the law of my blood covenant with Christ:

Love God, and love your neighbours as you love yourself.

I can tell where this is going so I'll take a short cut. I have already answered the question of the difference between the old and new testament righteousness. Which you will agree with me is different from the righteosness on the new testament.

I'll quote my earlier response to your brother on page 2, post 77,

Loving God and your neighbor are part of the Law, hope you know that. No need for Legalists scampering from their beliefs.
Muafrika2, are you righteous? Do you have the righteousness of Christ?
(A) Yes
(B) No
(C) Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't
(D) I'm not sure

Scholar8200:
It is a Life expressed through faith and depending on the Indwelling Spirit. (The Fruit of the Spirit is the outworking of that which He works in us)

And the question is , this 'life' is dos and don'ts?

Do you have the righteousness of Christ mr Scholar8200?

Scholar8200:
Because it is received. And effort here is more of watchfulness to ensure that we have not fallen from the faith and/or grace and this calls for regular self-examination.

Excuse me, exactly WHAT is received? Good manners?
Jesus died so you can have better manners and you receive better manners from him?

Mr Scholar8200, are you righteous? Do you have the righteousness of Christ?

Scholar8200:
Now where did I say that?

No condemnation if we walk in the Spirit.Further below it says we will reap the wages of sin, if we walk in the flesh (Romans 8:13)

It is honestly childish denying your own posts

Once again, are you better at keeping the law?

Muafrika2:

This discussion has reached a point where we are going in vain circles. I'll let Scholar proceed with you. He's got a higher degree of patience than I.

You q mind reader or something? I felt the same way with you.

Scholar8200:
Then it will be fair to consider the whole post and not just the part.

That is a statement on itself capable of being examined by itself. Whatever else you said does not add nothing to it. Holy Spirit helps you keep the Law is your point. Paul kept the Law without the Holy Spirit and without Christ and he fled all these only to keep the law again? Are you serious?

Would you repeat this same question to the Inspirer of Paul when he wrote this:

that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.l
Romans 8:4

You spoke of KEEPING the Law not the righteousness being fulfilled. Do you know the difference between KEEPING and FULFILLING?

Romans 8:1-4 (ESV)
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

1. There is no condemnation
2 observe the contrast between Spirit of LIFE and the law of SIN & DEATH...life in the Spirit vs sin & death
3. The righteous requirement of the Law is death to all who break it, who sin. This is what Christ condemned in the flesh', and once condemned nobody condemns you.

Scholar8200:
Behaviour modification? Rather, what I see is the receiving and manifestation of a Life while we witness the mortifying of the old and the renewal of the mind, by the Spirit.

That 'receiving and manifestation' is behavior modification which takes human effort. How is it a gift?

Scholar8200:
Thanks a lot!!!

Indeed, can all these and many more be received without faith? And when received do we remain just the same way we came? Or do we change only in a positional or judicial sense? GOD FORBID!

We call ourselves Pentecostals, claim the Baptism with the Spirit, expect manifestations of the Spirit as 1 Corinth 14 shows but overlook or dispense with the manifestation of the Spirit as Romans 8 and Galatians 5:22-25 shows!

In other words the gifts must manifest(perhaps we love the show) but the fruits are a passive positional deposit (because the flesh must be mortified and self denied)?! We tell the seeker of the Spirit's baptism that there must be manifestations by the Spirit but we tell the new convert that (in spite of the Spirit that indwells him through faith) that we must remain slaves to sin!!!

It is this disparity that is being addressed.

Both should be balanced.

Righteousness of Christ which is BY FAITH is a bunch of dos and don'ts?

Scholar8200:
But that is not the only sentence there? Why selecting that alone?

Because it concerns me. If you can't stand by what you post, then don't post.

As Romans 8 says, we fulfil the righteous demands of the law when we walk in the Spirit, but that is not all there is to Romans 8. Kindly consider the whole post and not just that sentence (evidently edited)

Are you better at keeping the Law?

Muafrika2:


Well thank you for asking me a question you just avoided;

I did define righteousness.

There is no righteosness without faith. It's impossible to please God without faith.

Very true, so what's the righteousness of Christ that is ONLY received by faith?

Character is testimony to the presence or absence of righteosness. Godly Character is in fact the righteousness of men.

Muafrika2:


Righteousness is different from character. The character is a fruit of righteousness. By which we can by reverse tell between the righteous and the unrighteous...

Righteousness is not character in one post and the next post it is character? You are unashamedly inconsistent poster.

Because God is love. He Is Patient, Merciful, Good, Longsuffering, Kind, ... This is what we who believe in Him are continually being turned into.

So righteousness is behavior modification?

UnGodly character is wickedness. And this is my answer,(feel free to post YOU TAKE of what being in right standing with God as you said righy er oddness is means. Try and remove character out of it and see.)

So God's character is in fact what our righteosness is.

And this is what Paul was seeking by faith, right? The Law lacked ability to give man God's character?

Is righteosness a noun or a verb? If a verb, it's an act. If a noun, then the definition, which cannot be complete without the action.

Vain semantics

There is a spiritual difference between a righteous spirit and an unrighteous one. The spirits of men are not passive entities. Before GOD, A human spirit Is Either glorifying Him, thus a Living, continuous sacrifice. It takes resolve to continually crucify our flesh.

It in other words take EFFORT to be righteous which is by faith? Do this, do that...voila! You are righteous

Righteosness does not exist in a vacuum. It's a work of faith. And this is how you can see righteousness; - faith, virtue, knowledge (Godly), temperence, patience, Godliness, brotherly kindness, charity; (which you have overlooked in my last post): -

Righteousness is effort?
What is the role of faith?

Peter 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Peter-Chapter-1/#6

You think Peter is prescribing a righteousness formula?

As I also just posted, the spirit of the wicked on the other hand is continually in this state;
.. fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate(strife), deceit, malignity; whisperers(backbiters),Romans 2:8, 1:29.

Again, righteousness is behavioral modification, right?

Scholar8200:

Pls Where did you get that from the post you quoted?

From your post;

Scholar8200:

A NT saint is born of the Spirit, is adopted as a son through Jesus Christ, Is Indwelt and empowered by the Spirit (enabling him to fulfil the righteousness of the law which law is written on the table of his heart by the same Person Who wrote it on tablets of stone-the Spirit, only that this time the Writer indwells him as a Power and Revealer of the Life of He that fulfilled the Law).

The OT saints (most of who were pleasing to God on account of their faith in Him) were rather limited as a result of the hardness of heart and that is why the high point of the NT is a transformation that begins from the heart and manifests in the life.

Again,you are merely BETTER at keeping the Law?

Muafrika2:


Righteousness is different from character. The character is a fruit of righteousness. By which we can by reverse tell between the righteous and the unrighteous...


Matthew 21:43 |
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

We should agree that God hates men who are full of unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate(strife), deceit, malignity; whisperers(backbiters),Romans 2:8, 1:29

Anyone can go ahead and do the above as a Christian. I assure that persons spirit will be affected. The presence of God/ anointing of God will seep out like from a tap. And you'll be opening a door for spiritual attacks/it creates vulnerability in Christians. It's actually one way of testing powers.

And, faith has its works... which a Christian who doesn't bother to produce, will ignore and quench the Spirit of God. It's very easy to backslide when the Spirit of God goes silent. And there are all sorts of people in churches not bringing forth any fruit. You tell them they don't have to do anything, you've sent them to their destruction.



The above quoted scripture explains what works a Christian should be doing. These are the works of righteousness under the covenant of Christ.

Good points, we now know character is not righteousness, but exactly what is RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST WHICH IS BY FAITH?
Is it doing/not doing ABCD....?

Muafrika2:

Which is why I believe you have decided to ignore any reason so long as it challenges the "you do not have to do anything notion". This is something I have agreed to, and even distinguished above :

So we agree, Paul found a better deal in the new covenant. What am not sure we agree on is whether Paul's light shined for all people to see. And whether he thought change of character mattered to believers.

Nope,
Obviously change of character matters, and nobody disputes that. My question is whether this change of character is the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST WHICH IS BY FAITH.

Eastbay:

What beats me is that they do not even harbor the fleeting thought that it may be possible for Rev. Anita to have a side to this saga.
So-called Christians believing that their pastor is above reproach when he has been living apart from his then-wife for over a decade.

This Gombo or whatever his name is essentially thrashed her without bothering to check the facts of the divorce proceedings as stated by Rev Anita.
And for me, I stopped listening to the so-called Rev. Chris a while ago. (mast.urbation is not a sin) but this divorce confirms him as unfit to be a bishop over God's people. He cannot pilot his domestic affairs yet he wants to be a pastor.1 Tim 3:5

The reason they do,this is cognitive dissonance
Then again you need to hear what Oyaks says about 'man of God'

There are preachers and there are men of God. I am not a preacher; I am a man of God, and I go in the way I’m asked to go. You have to understand something about a man of God. A man of God is not just someone who worships God or preaches God. A man of God is handpicked by God, set on course by God. If you study the scriptures, you will not find one man of God go against God, sinning against God.”


Obviously Oyaks having declared himself a 'man of God' will never go against God, and since God hates divorce, he is 110% blameless in the saga. Every fact of this saga is filtered through such whack theology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z3oKe_KZlg

Muafrika2:


Then let us. What entails righteousness? Better yet, Is a righteous man different in any way(character/works) from an unrighteous?

It's a complex concept but basically it means RIGHT standing with God.....or blameless

I wish to remind us that Paul kept the Law
Philippians 3:6 (KJV)
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Which makes me ponder, what value did Paul's conversion confer seeing he was already blameless as far as the Law was concerned?

He answers this question in the next few verses;
Philippians 3:9 (KJV)
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

He ran to Christ, fleeing from the righteousness of the Law, which is based on omission/commission to righteousness of Christ which is by faith. Obviously the righteousness of Christ by faith is more valuable and incomparable to the righteousness of the law.

Muafrika2:
Vooks, Scholar8200 you guys have settled on the fact that grace is unmerited. Now we move on to the next question as posed by Scholar8200



This is the source of confusion for the extremist grace peddlers out there. Forget the dictionary here and lets dissect the scripture for what grace generally and specifically entails.

I believe we can tell that by enumerating the components of the favour, the manifold (multifaceted) grace or free gifts. The first, we all agree is forgiveness. ...

Second, salvation. Of course not merited because there are indeed men called to be vessels of wrath;

Romans 9:22 |
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

It is also a source of confusion for extremist Legalists, modern Pharisees if you wish.

The key to understanding all is is to examine the righteousness of God which is by faith in Jesus Christ.

analice107:

God bless you brother Charles. Thank God for the forewarning. We have to be on the look out then.
I have actually been wondering why Satan kept his hordes out of this thread this long. Except of course, One bitter soul who tried and failed.
No atheists, no Satanists, no muslims, or general trolls to cause trouble. Why havent they attacked us since the inception of this thread? Now they want to creep in unnoticed. Let them come.
Like someone said, we overcame the seasons of derail attempts here. Now that we have a heads up, we will beat them down by the power of the Holy Spirit.

CharlyG1:


Amen.. Thanks for the encouragement dear. God is in control of our lives and every little matter is important to Him.. This thread is to the glory of God and the gates of hell shall not prevail over it.


God will fight for us [ and we shall overcome in Jesus Name.. Amen

God bless you.

Very true dear ones
They just know which threads not to touch!
Our God is a man of war!

Exodus 15:3 (KJV)
The Lord is a man of war:
the Lord is his name.

I pray that the LORD will fight our battles for us, the fierce, violent, stubborn battles in Jesus Christ holy name!

eniigmar:

Thanks. Bro

All the best bro. Keep on preparing sermons and preserving them...you are going places

malvisguy212:
you misunderstood the op,

You are wrong on one too many accounts, I'm not even sure where to start

let me ask you. What is God’s requirement for salvation? What must a sinner do to be saved? Is faith the only requirement for salvation ? The correct view for this question is ; GRACE plus FAITH = salvation plus works. ( Not please, the work here imply the evidence of a saving faith).GOD message to the unbelievers is very clear:
"Believe on the Lord Jesus
Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31).

And exactly what do you think is the meaning of 'believe'? Mental assent?

The message IS NOT surrender to His Lordship, it is believe on the Lord and be save.

What is 'believe'? And what do you believe?

Because Grace is unmerited favor from God, then How can a sinner willingly believe on the Lordship of jesus ?

By hearing the word of God. Faith comes by hearing

He must do away with his favorite sin. Just as a tree cannot have apples unless it already has the nature of an apple tree, so a person cannot have a willingness and desire to believe in jesus unless he already possesses the new nature received by regeneration at salvation (2 Pet. 1:3-4).

Nonsense. This means the 'willingness and desire to believe in Jesus' comes AFTER regeneration. But how would you be regenerated BEFORE believing?
The order of salvation is simple; God draws you you his grace. As you respond to this drawing (you may opt to ignore it), you believe in Him, and immediately your sins are forgiven, you are regenerated, given a new nature, and the Spirit of God. One does not discard sins to become a Christian, one becomes a Christian to discard sins.

Thus, even the willingness and desire to submit to Christ’s rule are the result of, and not a requirement for, salvation.". Grace is not just unmerited favor from God, is more than that.

Confusion galore. Please study the word 'believe'

Joagbaje:


Not to even talk about the fact that members of the first family in south Africa received healing and are now members of. The Church. The First lady is already a member and a leader. The president attends. Many of our programs there including the last crusade this year.

Nancy Reagan consulted psychics. So much for vain babbling

donnie:


I think I have better things to do with my time. Besides, last I checked the healing school has grown in leaps and bounds, christians and ministers have visisted from about every nation on earth and we now have healing school sessions holding in Canada (in addition to SA and Nigeria).

Whoever said ignorance is bliss was a prophet and a genius rolled into one.

Scholar8200:


A NT saint is justified by faith in Christ and receives the Indwelling of the Spirit, quickened by the Latter, he is enabled (Grace) to please God in the deepest sense of the word.

A NT saint is born of the Spirit, is adopted as a son through Jesus Christ, Is Indwelt and empowered by the Spirit (enabling him to fulfil the righteousness of the law which law is written on the table of his heart by the same Person Who wrote it on tablets of stone-the Spirit, only that this time the Writer indwells him as a Power and Revealer of the Life of He that fulfilled the Law).

The OT saints (most of who were pleasing to God on account of their faith in Him) were rather limited as a result of the hardness of heart and that is why the high point of the NT is a transformation that begins from the heart and manifests in the life.

In short, you are merely BETTER at keeping the Law?

Scholar8200:
Like I said before, it is neither merited nor earned. But then, when received, what does it entail?

Bro,
It is UNMERITED. You got that right. What is the difference between a NT Saint like yourself and an OT Saint like Job? Are you BETTER at obeying God than them?

Whatever became of mbaemeka?

donnie:

donnie:
You know our opinions realy dont count because the Holy Ghost is ever ready to show Himself strong in the lives of those who love Him and who He called.

So, in the life of Dr. Chris Oyakhilome whom God has sent, the miracles continue. See pics and video from last Sunday, the first healing service of the Healing School Autumn Session in Johannesburg, SA. Miracles everywhere!! http://enterthehealingschool.org/content/content.php?i=21956

Tell this to KenyanGirl28


https://www.nairaland.com/1892195/truth-behind-christ-embassy-healing#26105797

feedthenation:
The question that comes to mind is why can't Pastor Oyaks and the members of CE used the power of the spoken Word to stop the divorcement?

At least the power of the spoken Word has taught in the ROR is that it is powerful to shape our intellect and spiritual lives.

Because God was more than eager to free his anointed servant from the clutches of this Jezebel and perhaps replace her with a real Esther!

You can't beat them in circular reasoning.

Scholar8200:
Now when you say unmerited favour, what does that favour entail?(Answer using Scriptural references to back your points).

Regardless of what 'favor entail', is it MERITED in any way? Is it earned?