Yellow Bucket Sand Tipper Lorry infantry carrier is a very unfortunate 'war equipment' in the armoury of our Nigerian Army once the pride of all W.A. Sub-Region.

Those who sweat-laboured for new military re-equipping procurement bill in process at NASS should not rest yet, they need to push for proper transport vehicles for soldiers, assets fit for high risk CT-COIN​ engagement mobility.

Even if it's poor man category dirt cheap transporters like these Cameroonian Army's China made low cost Poly Technologies Type 07P IFV with the killer 30 mm + 7.62 mm combo, we just add easy anti-RPG (simple cage or lightweight composite applique) and it gives us an okay modern game changer to win us this infinity forever war as it transports our soldiers like valuable human beings fighting for all Nigerians.

We thank all our local Nigerian producers, they are really trying but they cannot yet for now locally produce made in Nigeria Hi-Tech fully stabilized 30mm automatic rapid fire chain gun, long range thermal vision night fighting sensor, laser range finder, ballistic computer, battlefield management systems, smoke discharging canisters, long range radio communications, GPS Navigation, collective NBC protection, add-on composite armour resistant to 25mm ammo, 360° all-round periscopes & vision blocks, amphibious 8 x 8 all wheel drive IFV, so let's not kid ourselves with ARA or EZUGWU in this new age of BH ISWA killing 92 battle experienced Chadian troops in just 7 hours firefight, looting armoury of the highly capable Chadian Army's frontline base.

Abi we are still waiting for other countries to spend their own money and donate battalions of IFV free to us?

Nigeria scheduled to get 4 remaining of 6 choppers AW-109M Armed Gunships this 2020 year. Wonder if FGN can order all 6 deploy & employ as 6 chalks army controlled via C2 of theatre commander N.E. with Chalk 1 to 3 in L. Tchad Basin ISWAP resurgence zone, chalk 4 to 6 Yobe sector AOR Nigér Rèpublic borderline hot sector. Senegal's​ 4 planes L-39NG 4th Gen. light combat jets delivery scheduled to start this year 2020 too.

Ethiopian Army silently took delivery of her 4 vehicles Pantsir SAM with 100 missiles, ahead of Cameroon's Army Pantsir SAM incoming. Many South-Sahara African Armies arming up beyond CT-COIN hardware, all 5 regions of Africa now to operate or already operating new Panstir SAM missile systems.

Angola when it gets her 3 planes C-295M MPA, means the NAF MPA fleet of 2 planes ATR-42 MPA will no longer have monopoly of maritime security airpower in our oil rich Gulf of Guniea. Competition for the air above huge riches in off-shore oil & gas wealth.

Senegal takes lead in Green Water naval sea power in ECOWAS region with dozens of sea skimming anti-ship Marte missiles 30+ km range and Simbad SHORAD SAM ordered for her 3 new OPV-58 guided missile fast attack crafts in addition to main guns. Some countries telling others "when you have billion dollar ocean deposit oil & gas you need more than gunboats to secure it, repeated perception of 'no big threat' is national military stupidity in this unpredictable world.

Jimi24:


We need $5bn CAPEX for procurement and local arms production annually for the next five years. It is a very good idea to standardize on Ezugwu and use a variety of turrets for different missions.

My brother no be small tin o

Kudos to those Nigerians who have strong will for country, deep pity for our troops using teeth to pull out nails from furniture like poor carpenters without tools, servicemen dying young leaving family behind all because they lack right equipment and training to beat the levels BHT-ISWAP monster into.

This new funding covers everything for all tri-services, total amount is still being figured out while the most important aspect, the final passage of bill and assents of upper chamber, then executive is going on concurrently. You wont hear much update unless you go to chambers exact day bill is listed for floor again.

The thousands of ordinary Nigerians who fought for this will never be known, those in big positions will take the glory in history, but sha common Nigerians stood up for themselves sha o! People who know how to do leg work from ward, local council areas, legislators constituency offices, NGOs, various pressure groups, then simultaneously combine smartly saturating social media and public news space with this new slogan of 'Insecurity Everywhere In The Land' these ordinary people have shown what we Nigerians can achieve when we ignore our differences in politics, religion, tribe, and fight against the common enemy.

Ezeugwu MRAP decision, this official FGN adoption is the only way to save it's future, because current army leadership will retire one day and like when people were calling for their removal weeks ago (for which Mr. President says he is not in a hurry to replace old chiefs who couldn't end this war with new chiefs who also cannot end same war) it can threaten continuity for Ezugwu and we end up losing its loss as soon as we gain it.

Looming future is very bad for all of us from Lagos Kano Minna to Enugu, same evil wind already across all N S E W four cardinal points of our homeland, giving rise to Amotekun Vigilante type of self help but it can't stop ordinary Boko H talk less of ISIS W.A.

American immigrant visa ban against us Nigerians (likely soon be reversed as FGN high power committee is working hard to meet all US Government demands) is a warning from outside that Nigeria's security condition is rotten inside.

Officially The American Government based on advise from AFRICOM boots on ground honest no BS assessment, has decided to now downgrade mission objective for all Sahel & L. TChad Basin West Africa to strictly containment only of all Jihadi Insurgencies, meaning America is no longer interested or trying to defeat any of AQIM, Ansar Dine, Tebu Insurgents, MNLA, MOJWA, Boko Haram, Tuareg Insurgents, ISWAP, etc.

All are now to be merely contained by African regional forces like G-5, MJNTF, ECOWAS Governments Armed Forces that allowed these insurgents grow monster strength beyond defeat.

AFRICOM concludes that BHT-ISWAP will continue indefinitely in Nigeria unless Nigeria acquires new war fighting capabilities that it does not currently have now.

Abuja legislators also interpret that official US DoD document release to mean Nigeria cannot defeat this insecurity in our land unless we fully retool, revamp, rebuild, re-equip, retrain our Army as a whole, then do same for Air Force, Navy, only then do we have hope to win, or else what we are crying now is just the beginning of tears.

If you hear hot language being used inside legislative chambers by legislators, fear go catch you, like "What is coming ahead will consume all of us," "These dangers will eventually not select target, everybody will finally become a target". I think the tragic end of some top military men who died like common man has shown the wiser ones that safe life when in government position does not last forever, when big men leave office they become vulnerable like you and me.

Many hardened elites who dont care have been left behind in their imaginary permanent personal security bubble of self-deception, people driving level B7 armour Lexus or Range Rover in Nigeria, imagine B7 level, bullet proofing resistant to sniper rifle, assault rifle, squad level assault weapon, general purpose machine gun, all calibres 7.62mm Armour Piercing, many of your top government officials have this B7, most use B6, so they dont care about public outcry of insecurity, forgetting they cannot continue in B6, B7 cars when they leave government jobs.

My good gentleman, main prayer now is how these billions will be spent, whoever wants air assets, land assets, marine assets, this will be their big chance to buy in good numbers not 2 or 3 like under normal budget. Army can build air fleet and same time new vehicle fleet, and various man portable hi-tech hardware, from fund incoming. Procurement decisions will be done jointly by Federal Ministry of Defence, Office of National Security Adviser, Army, Navy, Air Force, all sharing authority for procurement, but if Mr. President does not want bad decisions, he can much influence all of them under the Executive's control.

Images - Rwanda Defence Forces Mechanized Infantry Battle Group Elements training for multidimensional warfare at test firing range with Otokar Cobra armed Red Arrow 9 ATGM. Fleet of ZFB-05 LAV in field maneuvers. Motorized Battalion fleet of Ratel IFV ready for operational deployment.

dragon2:
MY 2kobo. We really need more power down at infantry level. Its nice to be able to call on the air-force for strikes, but to go on a full offensive, weapons and tactics are necessary.The tactic side we are not lacking,but weapons and communication down to infantry or platoon level is key for a successful punitive ground assault. I dont think MRAPs should be used for search and destroy.Light attack helios can be used for that.You dont want to lose MRAPS if you are not taking and holding ground. The MRAPS should be saved for punitive expeditions where they are used with IFV's close at the back and tanks further out.
We all know that technicals are a problem for our infantry and bokoharam use them in a shoot and scoot tactic if we have a strong defence present.The armoured solution real time is IFVs , in the absence of IFVS, for the GI, smoke and frag grenade launchers are a must at platoon level.Smoke for concealment and frag as an indirect weapon when under fire.At company level ATGMs, (like the HJ 8,9,10& 12 ) is a relatively cheap real time alternative to constantly calling on airstrikes for technicals. Also,Sentry drones with IR, Night vision and Laser range finder, far ahead of base camp is also a must at platoon level.It will give the commanders prep time and tactical advantage in a fire-fight.
Our Infantry need to be able to go forward at all times but are being slowed by mines and technicals. We have to be proactive, both in assaults and hot pursuit tactics. We MUST NOT be slowed down by these problems when there are solutions out there,no matter the price.
The Army Command needs to raise its game.

Correct 2Kobo !!!!

You just summarized the final solution to this 10 year insane insurgency, this is the only known strategy Nigeria has not yet used because in a strange way, MoD, ONSA, NA Procurement units have never suggested or tried it. Yet we want to win CT-COIN war?

Such asymmetric wars are driven by mechanized infantry/composite regiments, platoon-centric frontline fighting units.

The platoons need light weight < 5 tonne, light foot print, high speed, all terrain urban field land amphibious Motorized infantry vehicles combined with medium weight​ < 15 tonne, heavy anti-gun-truck firepower, enemy battalion size assault force suppression firepower, accurate firepower range 1 km to 4 km effective on a point target.

Add the; full platoon (every soldier connected not only Oga NCO & CO) comms + personal night vision, add that Platoon Level long range thermal vision you said – and hey, get all the other smart human aspects of CT-COIN conflict right, and this bloodie war is over for ever!

A Nigerian mechanized infantry platoon of 50 troops must have enough modern equipment firepower to fight alone and totally defeat 400 or else we are no longer a quality army and continental power !!!

A task force deployed detachment of Nigerian mechanized infantry company of 200 troops must be able to fight alone to hold their AOR for a calculated number of days, against a calculated number of repeated enemy assaults, without degrading into a combat ineffective unit/detachment.

Those who should do what you say are not interested, they have photos of good IFVs on their Samsung phone, you see pics of our AFSF DHQ and ONSA MoD top shots playing with ATGMs at annual European Arms Expo – but they just think the day this war spending ends, they will be missing something

Nigerians just need to learn to be sincere with ourselves, like does Rwandan MoD do better procurement? Rwandan population is half of Lagos when I saw Rwandan Otokar Cobras armed with ATGM some years ago, and I was laughing at Nigerians' level of insincerity once they hold public seat of authority, like they've become gods now

It's not all about ignorance, low budget, etc, it includes failure to buy right things for national defence and nobody gets sacked from office or demoted for it.

List of emerging Def-Sec reports :

1. Fed house of Reps Abuja, current 2020 new special purpose, expedited bill, to create/invest a new dedicated fund outside normal budgets, to fully retrain and re-equip NA, NN, NAF, bill has passed first reading, now passed second reading successfully. Means at high speed, heading for NASS passage. FGN has no power to refuse it.

2. NAF 3 JF-17 Block II upgraded variant at total cost $184 million with full block 2 options will arrive NAF bases, in FOC, to join combat action this November, confirmed by CAS at Kaduna graduation ceremony. Price package includes all training, dumb ordnance, guided missiles, pods, ground support/maintenance facilities, plus price of each of three planes.

3. FGN Presidency has directly taken over Ezugwu MRAP and entire fleet of new locally made army vehicles. It will no longer be NAVMC controlled project, even with DICON as major stakeholder. Reason is to ensure future success of projects so EZUGWU MRAP does not end in failure like dead Igirigi APC.

Implication is; Presidency decided to grant financial support and admin participation consistently into the future, by adopting Ezugwu MRAP as a part of President Buhari's 2015 promise of local military industrial complex to be paid for within a few years in office by his FG administration.

4. Some legislators are complaining that this new military retraining and weapons/equipment procurement bill is passing so fast without Army publicly accounting for all past special funding for North East CT-COIN war for a decade.

That minority group of reps are saying that must be done before this new jumbo fund is released, fund created separate from annual budgets, meant for modernization procurement - modern training. Reps majority is not insisting on the past accountability (is this a good idea to soft pedal? Who knows?).

This new wave of special modernization procurement funding is a result of massive pressure from Nigerian masses through their reps in their constituencies, till the pressure boiled to yield result now in Abuja NASS. It will be a Reps/Senate alone project but will be finalized and Presidency asked to accent to this bill for formalities sake. The House of Reps has listened to the cries of the people.

NAF has publicly accounted for all it's capital procurement funds except for Mi-35 and Mi-8 / Mi-171.

NN too accounted for spendings on all OPV, some MPV, IPV, gunboats spending and some helicopters.

NA needs to please, open up, on past procurement spending from at least 2014-2020 so as not to stall this new juicy fund opportunity, we the people fought hard to win this new high speed modernization package for you that we even included army soldiers retraining, after our letter upon letter, petition upon petition, NGO upon NGO, community elders upon elders, till begging yielded the fastest bill in our recent DefSec history.

Money for equipment will be in billions of dollars and not dependent on any bureaucratic, slow, limited budget, all those $50 billion CBN Reserve, $2 billion, or $3 billion special reserve funds, now hands will enter those bags to bring out special funds from different sources.

DHQ please do the easy part, submit few pages paper details of past half decade military spending, so we can have a new shopping time starting 2020. Let good guys have new things to post here having tried enough repeating your same old equipment over 5 years.

Don't let this new chance get stalled by the minority reps who are standing on transparency of past transactions. Thank you NA, please wake up, please cooperate, Nigerians are begging of you, forever war will damage the quality of our lives nationwide.

Jimi24:
Plenty of facts / information BUT wrong conclusion and poor judgement. That always happens with too many facts. People get seduced by the sheer volume and quality then the conclusion and judgement coming from it becomes poor.

Army aviation is the 100% answer to ISWAP/Boko Haram. It is not merely about hitting Boko Harams rudimentary or NA captured armour. It is the agility to move 10 / 12 troops to blocking positions, move mortars / recoiless rifles into new positions within an evolving battlefield, position snipers, evacuate badly wounded et.c. That is the flexibility and agility that is afforded battalion commanders by Army Aviation. The Nigeria Airforce cannot offer this service.

Unfortunately, there is no historical record of any land war that was won by army helicopters. Army always win on ground, even all the gulf war air power did not end Iraq war, US Allied force had to win on ground because the enemy is strong on ground.

It is an army that has failed on the ground that runs to the sky for refuge.

USArmy helicopter history, read it up, in Vietnam war US Army Aviation lost over 5,000 helicopters.

http://www.ww2wrecks.com/portfolio/5086-helicopter-losses-during-the-vietnam-war/

USSR Army helicopter history, also read, Soviet army aviation lost over 300 helicopters to ordinary DShK 12.7mm of Mujaheedin Guerrillas.

"Ground fire, not surface-to-air missiles or MiGs, would account for the majority of the roughly 5,500 helicopters and two thousand fixed-wing aircraft lost by the U.S. military over Vietnam.

As Soviets took a page from the American war in Vietnam and made heavy use of helicopter-borne air assault troops, the mujahideen’s Soviet-made DShK machine guns reaped a fearsome toll of Mi-8 Hip transports, Mi-24 gunships and even jet bombers."

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-deadly-russian-world-war-ii-50-caliber-machine-gun-blasted-its-mark-history-35762

The high volume high activity army helicopter warfare operations you describe and imagine for NA is super power capability, very expensive to acquire and to maintain, plus sustain for long. It will run into billions of dollars cost that Nigeria will lose when ISWAP anti-aircraft firepower that wrecked Alpha Jets begin to blow NA Eurocopter Helos out of the sky, you will see our money burning up.

You forgot same Nigerian Army announced this insurgency was defeated in 2016, but now 2019 they say they need helicopters to defeat the already defeated insurgency. Thats how you know when someone has ran out of ideas and is looking for excuses, and that is the main reason the majority of Nigerian populace are rejecting the army helicopter solution, to defeat the already defeated enemy.

Look at that ISWAP video of 2019 and see ZPU-1 AAA gun truck in action, your army helicopters will be like mosquito facing Baygon insecticide spray. Losses we cannot afford. After helicopter losses fail to end this war, our army will ask for NA aviation Su-25 Frogfoot to resist AAA fire.

BabaOwen:
War against this insurgency no get head or tail again

We don't even know who is wining or losing

Majority of we Nigerians do not have a choice but to wait for 2023, for this clueless acting president buhari to leave. Can you imagine a Chief of Staff to the president holding meetings with service chiefs Even a Governor does not have the power to summon all the service chiefs for meeting.

This country matter just tire person, I hope all this terrorism nonsense no go reach where I dey sha.

Whole of West Africa & Lake Chad Basin is not safe with ISWAP now a brown camo color uniform (no longer unidentified guerrillas in hiding) wearing kitted mobile light armoured 4x4 infantry force of ex-Libyan Army Academy graduate officers and infantry tactics trained fighting men, no wonder they can well operate our T-55 tanks when they capture them.

ISWAP is stronger by far than BHT. This ISWAP now has defence budget funded by tax levied on Nigerian fishermen and farmers in L. TChad Basin. The only difference between ISWAP and NA is lack of air support, MBT tanks, and 155mm howitzer artillery, ISWAP has now rocket launcher artillery.

Look at their new defence industry products, is ISWAP too building LAV as DICON builds LAV? ISWAP is coming with own armoured 4x4 gun trucks and Presidency senior staff are busy dog fighting among themselves on security matters! This country becomes a comedy joke.

I am not sure the date of this video. Looks like 2019, but 12 months ago isn't too far, but am sure it show weak the average Nigerian Army infantry motorized unit has become, compared to 1980s.

I am not sure it's common practice to post enemy Insurgents videos here, but am sure not everybody saw this video if you did.

Hello, but I am sure the solution is not really army aviation helicopters fleet, our AFV fleet is failing badly as seen in this video, see Cobra APC & Caiman MRAP & BM-Grad MRLS all captured intact from our hands. Look at half way time 1:10 minutes of the video, ISWAP is back with real AAA heavy anti-aircraft, if you fly army aviation soft skin helicopters those ISWAP ZPU-1 will shoot down our new NA birds.

Video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1087492918884077568

You see those soldiers of low rank-no rank inside trenches that video, those are the real war heroes whose sacrifice and service, keeps Jihadi Insurgents from entering our own bedrooms to slaughter us like Sallah Rams.

Best way to spend $1 billion and end this war.

Like FG needs 800 mix fleet of BTR-90 & BMP-2 mix fleet of 400 each. Radio comms for every soldier, long range thermal night vision camera & SATCOM radio & perimeter HESCO for all FOBs to be returned back to former positions, 200 modern standard equipped FOB, doing constant 24/7 patrol & offensive at regiment unit level. Then victory can come or else Nigeria becomes a permanent war guerrilla terrorism​ active country forever and ever.

This war is a big insult to Nigeria of our size and resources . If cash is low, we can take loans with 1 billion barrels crude oil & gas fields as collateral, a war loan to end this war. Why President M Buhari is afraid of loan debt and prefers everlasting war on his country, is hard for many to understand. For those excusing Mr. President for this war getting worse, dont tell me Buhari does not know what a BMP-2 & BTR-90 can do to turn tide in our favour and save this country. Rather ask him why he is not doing it, why he is not rebuilding the army with correct type of equipment, he wears rank of Major-General (RTD) and he was trained in America's best officers academy USAWC Pennsylvania.

Government of The Republic of Chad has conferred their national honour on immediate past Force Commander of Multinational Joint Task Force (MNJTF), Major General Chikezie Ude, the award of Chevalier de l’ordre national de la République du Tchad meaning Knight of the National Order of the Republic of Chad. Ogbuefi well done Maj. Gen. Ude, national saluuute, salute! Paraaade, will remooove head dresses! Top Tri Yah!

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At least biko, we too can shine in Chad, let's gain some fresh pride to balance the equation of "Chad is the new regional​ military power of our basin."

rka2:
It is nice to know that the NN is expecting Lynx Helicopters.

"These procurement include money for the purchase of Navy Lynx helicopters. Total amount spent so far: $876,888,428.71. The equipment paid for have due dates of delivery of between six months and two years. Balance of the money that is unspent as at today is $123,111,571.29."

https://allafrica.com/stories/201907230108.html

Bruz, is it confusion, FG mis-info, bad reporting or journalist error? Airbus officially announced on Janes IHS Defence 2017 that our NN is buying 3 of its AS-565 MBe Panther multi-role naval-coast guard helicopters for ship borne ops. Lynx is no longer in production, only 2 of our old Lynx remain dead in storage, one Lynx was burnt in fire mishap beyond repair. Only Super Lynx variant is in production, so we getting Panther or Lynx? FG messed up info to press, and their incompetent reporting of a whole $ 1 billion transaction is reason PDP hammered them accusing sat one billion dollars oil money waka wit leg enter voicemail Our defence info is never really clean and clear to the public.

remi1444:
Thank you boss. I would have loved to get your number for clarification about some issues connected to this Sahel thing.

Here is plenty Sahel issues info from USAID humanitarian operations, including latest update from last week Friday =

https://www.usaid.gov/sahel-regional

https://www.usaid.gov/crisis/sahel

https://www.devex.com/news/usaid-expands-presence-in-sahel-as-instability-grows-96039

Remember, USAID is more like an IGO but partners wit many NGOs. So u can work wit USAID directly or tru any of it's many NGO partners. U will apply tru their websites, u hav 2 go on internet, open each IGO & NGO official website, go 2 menu page 4 Careers or Jobs or Hiring or Volunteer or Openings. Type in country u can work and other specifications dat will narrow down d job vacancies 2 d ones relevant 2 u. Then u apply wit C.V. online, and if any has phone numbers, email addresses, u can freely message dem asking dem 2 guide u 2 apply for temporary job in your region. Like I said, I can't promise they will hire u, but I am sure people hav got jobs there dis way.

USAID NGO Partners list =

https://www.devex.com/news/top-usaid-ngo-partners-a-primer-75803

remi1444:
Good morning Bosses.
I'm here for assistance information wise, I intend to volunteer in any NGO is N.E during the festive season as my yearly resolution for coming this far but I don't have a direct link to any of the NGOs in N.E. Can anyone give me a lead or hooking me up with someone who work in any of the NGOs.

I even messaged SamuelAnyawu but it is evident that he's quite busy.

WarThunder

Toju200

Bidexiii

Odunayaw

@remi1444 , me 2 encourage u 2 do NGO work in N.E. after askin friends 2 quit due 2 high risk 2 their lives, I fear 2 do. NA cannot guarantee u full protection in such volatile n wide zone. However since u want 2 work n make some income, why not do NGO where d country sending u gives maximum possible protection even though only God saves life? Temporary work is available now at USAID doing NGO work across Sahel helping our needy people, but u hav 2 plead dey dont post u 2 Burkina Fasso Mali Niger Rep, u need 2 ask 4 temp job Nigeria, and try ask 4 Adamawa instead of Borno. I cant giv u 100 per cent guarantee dey will employ u but I am told dey began new wave employment dis very month November expanding NGO work in Sahel wit millions of dollars voted to dem by donors/ sponsors. EU and US troops in Sahel will do their best 2 protect u as far as man and equipment can go. Best of luck man ! Play safe sha.

Apply online, vacancies list =

https://www.usaid.gov/work-with-us/careers/vacancy-announcements

GeneralFarouq:

No matter how truthful you are or try to prove you are... You can't get a full support that's life... Just do ur.thing...some times I agree with some of it assertions and sometimes I just laugh through it( saying it impracticable)... That's life I think we all get out share of this.

If he posts a truthful comment why should he be treated nastily? Is dat a good way of life? Need 2 see how some people here degrade n ridicule other human beings on dis forum as if it's fun 2 run down others into d latrine, no conscience at all.

No wonder d rulers too treat Nigerians same way Nigerians treat d other person on d street like garbage. Our society has turned inhuman n cruel. Some day, retribution will fully pay back everyone 4 being cruel n mean 2 others.

SamuelAnyawu:


Take it easy my man. I'm in Monguno right now and I've stopped commenting on this thread. Do have a great day Bro

It may be a gud idea I copy ur decision. Am tinking 2.

Wish u gud health & safety broda.

GeneralFarouq:

The super camp is working the way they expected it to... I hope it continues ad infinitum

Caution bruz. Super Camps will always work in each Super Camp and it's closest nautical miles of radius, because it's a military strong hold too hard for BHT to beat.

Super Camp is strategic retreat by NA but given sweet name. As in 6 former FOBs of 2 company size composite regiments of 250 troops each that was being overwhelmed by ISWAP, are now merged into 1 Super Camp of 1,500 troops so how will BHT overrun us now? No way.

Problem is, far flung holds or AOR and sectors now empty as FOB is withdrawn, dose villages are getting occupied by BHT, appointing caliphs, collecting tax, providing traders markets, public toilets, Quranic schools, public security, social amenities, etc now bcom mini Caliphate ruled by ISWAP 'goverment'.

Land size 150,000 km² N.E. Nigeria is 6 times land mass of Rwanda Republic my broda !!!! How many Super Camps will cover it, do QRF 6 hrs of distress call in region wit poor infrastructure, bad roads, scattered isolated tiny rural settlements? Explains why Borno Governor cries. See, u & I are fed by FGN DHQ sources d good side of stories in dat 150,000 km² territory of our Nigeria. If u wan hear wetin dey ground in far away villages, tune to public mouth channel in d mouth of people living far beyond radius of reach of Super Camp.

I guess u read dis b4, let me remind u. May God help us, cuz wahala dey o.

https://allafrica.com/stories/201908260497.html

jln115:

I agree 100% however I do feel Nigeria don't have any credible conventional threats at this moment to warrant spending money on tanks!! Personally I would rather see that money spent on assets that would be better suited for battling unconventional threats..... However I would definitely advocate the purchase of 4th gen multi role fighters like the Jf17(more than 3 though) which won't only be a great conventional deterrent but will also be a great force multiplier when battling irregular forces as well.

Bruz not so at all, unconventional war of BHT killing us wit conventional weapons, ISWAP Anti-Tank RPG (likely Tandem HEAT) is killing all our APC, MRAP, T-72M1, Vickers tanks.

Nigerian army needs 500 ARA MRAP, 1,000 MT-LB IFV twin barrel 23 mm to dominate 150,000 km² landmass N.E. wit theatre wide swarm of 1,500 vehicles $400 m cheap.

Plus NA needs CT-COIN speedy light tanks ERA-Ceramic mix armour to defeat ISWAP Anti-Tank RPG, light MBT like VT5 runs 70-90 kmh (varies HP) sees 7-10 km long range night thermal vision to beat Boko Haram dark night attacks, our army MUST see BHT far beyond AFSF SBS weak NVG 200 metres to win dis war. 5 battalions of VT5 high speed mini-tanks, $300 m cheap 150 CT-COIN tanks impregnable to any ISWAP weapon, den Nigeria STRATEGICALLY ends​ BH insurgency finally, wit total costs only $700 million cheap for 1,650 game changer 500 MRAP 1,000 IFV 150 light MBT.

jln115:
can't make blatantly false statements then afterwards say you don't to talk further on the subject when you have been called out.

1. Incorrect, FLIR cannot IFF, that's where Radar data links and targeting systems come in.

2. Again a simple Google search you can pretty much see what exactly the price includes.... These days armes contract are relatively transparent.

3. The deal was worth around $300 mil for 12 mi35m if my memory is correct.

4. Emphasis on SOME I'm fully aware that some Mi35 versions come with radar..... For example the Super hinds offered by ATE come with the same radar fitted on the Rooivalk...hence I said Mi35 M does not come with radar emphasis on M

Why won't you allow me to rest man?

If you want FCS weapons radar on your Mi-35M, Russia will add it for you, but air forces are just not showing interest for practical role of attacking land battlefields.

You are mixing air domain with land domain, it's air war that uses electronic IFF radar config for aircraft vs aircraft I.D. but in land domain helicopters use visual I.D. aided by optical sensors e.g. NAF needs to differentiate Boko Haram men and Hilux from Nigerian army men and APC, no radar radio link IFF can do that because those forces on land have no IFF configuration, so only FLIR displays on television screen and and you see men, heads, legs, even shapes of helmet or turban, Hilux, Vickers tank, army base cluster of items, all shapes in real life image moving, then FLIR helps attack the right target, that's what I called friend or foe ID or IFF.

Radar does not show you movie like TV image clarity even with radio frequency IFF, it will even ping dot target on metal houses, taxi cab, metal water tank on house top, helicopter pilot won't know who is who to shoot at.

I didn't make false statements, all I said are correct.

Radar on helicopter won't make a difference in separating men from terrorists on a mixed battlefield, reason air forces don't care about radar on Mi-28. FLIR thermal imaging is the sensor solution for helicopter gunship pilots.

Look at the thermal imager targeting I attach now, I hope your confusion has vanished bruz.

Have a nice day my man

jln115:

1. Anybody can do a simple Google search and find the exact price countries have paid for either the mi 28 or mi 35.......and if you did your research you'll find that the mi 35 is alot cheaper.

2. Mi 35 entered service in 1972.....the mi 28 entered service in 2009.....how can countries reject the mi 28 when it was never in production?? Also the Mi 28 was only due to go into production in the early 90s.....20 years after the mi 35.

3. What sources?? Just go look at what for example Algeria paid for their mi 35 vs what they paid for their mi 28.....youll find that the mi 35 is a lot cheaper.

4. The Mi35M uses NVG and GPS for navigation..... It does not have radar.

5. Fair enough I'll concede this point.

6. How you can say this with a straight face is beyond me.....

7. Do you know what FLIR is?? Its simply a infrared camera..... How is a camera going to distinguish between friend and foe??

8. Do you know what an HMD is.... And how it works?

9. Source?

The rest is not worth a response.

I told you bruz, am done. I don't have interest in winning online forum arguments.

I understand FLIR infra red, HMD helmet sight, I know how dey do IFF and radar only beeps showing dots so it cannot I.D. friend or foe among men and vehices on battlefields, I have posted photos to show it here weeks ago, and I won't repost it again, sorry.

Only each buyer can tell us exact price of his own variant of Mi-35M, M2 or Mi-28A, NE etc, they have different avionic configuration options. Published prices you see are total contract value including spare parts, weapons, training, bribes, etc.

Some estimate Mi-35 & Mi-28 at $15 m to $25 m, prices change per year order dates. Some are even rebuilt second hand Mi-24. How much did NAF pay for Mi-35M in 2016?

Everything I said in dat long Mi-35 analysis has published source on internet, invest your time like I did, google many web sources, you will find all my claims 100% correct.

I will only give you two sources, no time for nine.

"Some HIND E and Mi-35 series export versions have upgraded night and weather capabilities, better avionics, weather RADAR."

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-24.htm

That weather radar helps navigation away from hazards not GPS navig role. For Mi-24/35 to continue to into the future as rival of Apache in world market, Russia released new AESA radar for Mi-24 Hind while Mi-28N​ has older Doppler radar. Mi-35M option with new AESA radar for weapon targeting is available for anybody hungry for radar.

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi-24p-1m/

There's nothing on Mi-28 you cannot get on Mi-35M today if you choose variant with full options, that's why it's officially called Mi-35M Hind E State-of-The-Art variant. It will continue to beat Mi-28 in world market based on functionality and remain the real rival of Apache.

"The Mi-28 program was cancelled in 1993 because it was deemed uncompetitive with the Ka-50, and in particular, it was not all-weather capable."

http://parts.jspayne.com/php/SummaryGet.php?FindGo=Mil_Mi-28N

Please am tired of dis argument, u are free 2 ignore​ facts my bruz.

jln115:
the mi-35/24 has been in production since the 1970s....and its also cheap, hence 80 countries have bought it.

In terms of capability the Mi 28 has better flight characteristics example: faster cruise speed, higher service ceiling, higher hover ceiling(mi 35 is actually horrible at hovering) , better clime rate, it has Radar(mi 35m does not), it can Carry AAMs(mi 35m cannot), the Mi 28 also has better survivability, smaller cross section, better avionics and has an advanced HMD.

Ma bruz, nobody here knows exact factory price of Mi-35 or Mi-28 to say one is cheaper, price varies with model type and configuration add-ons.

Mi-35 came 1970s, Mi-28 was 1980s, just 10 year gap, and since 1980s, world air forces rejected Mi-28, chose Apache or Mi-35, etc. Truth is Mi-28 was rejected by whole world air forces that evaluate both helicopters, including air force of Russia until 2000s when new Mi-28 night version was built with radar. Not all Mi-28 have radar till today.

History quote:

"Design of Mi-28 began under Marat Tishchenko 1980, a prototype first flew November 1982, but in October 1984 Soviet Air Force chose the more advanced Kamov Ka-50. Mi-28A program was cancelled in 1993 because it was deemed uncompetitive with the Ka-50, particularly because Mi-28 it was not all-weather capable."

Bruz we see Mi-28 struggle and fail for 20 years to rival Apache, Mi-35 was Apache rival in the market. Mi-35 is even said to be more expensive by some sources.

Mi-35 too has a radar for navigation but not targeting. Mi-35 can carry Igla air to air missiles. Targeting radar and HMD are not big advantage in gunship role, only FLIR can differentiate ground targets as friend or foe in CAS role, Mi-28 radar can pick friendly forces and its HMD will attack it's own army because it cannot differentiate friend or foe. FLIR is the only solution and Mi-35 has the most advanced FLIR in Russia today, making Mi-35 both day & fully night combat all weather capable. Mi-35 is said to alhave anti-maritime strike functions not on Mi-28. The Mi-35 pilots cockpit armour resists 37mm shells while Mi-28 cockpit resists only 14.5mm bullets. Mi-35 speed is also a bit faster than Mi-28. New Mi-35M has longer range & endurance airborne hours than Mi-28. Lastly new 2005 variant Mi-35M is quoted by Air Force Technology website as having the newest electronic counter measures, heat signature suppressors, noise reduction, infra red jammer, new hovering and high & hot Capabilities, laser & missile warning, terrain hugging flight guided by its own onboard radar, long range radio comms, all needed guided missile types & bombs, it has many redundancy vital components meaning extra vital parts already fixed onboard as replacement without workshop.

These explains why 80 air forces fly Mi-35 but 2 fly Mi-28, it's because of ability to do all needed jobs of gunship, not lower price or lesser weapons speculated by people judging with sexy look alike design of Mi-28 copied to look like Apache for marketing purposes, but reality of market buyers did not happen as expected, the world air forces chose Mi-35 as their own rival to Apache.

The key words used to summarize Mi-35M by good websites is that it is built with NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART AVIONICS, so nothing more advanced is on Mi-28 because Mi-35M is already using maximum existing capability of technology. Mi-35M can execute EVERY MISSION PROFILE like the best among variants of Mi-28 called Night Hunter, including all night combats, and 16 missile heavy payload. 80 air forces choose Mi-35 for it's ability to do ALL jobs they want helicopter gunships to do, no sentiments about two extra added non-decisive features on Mi-28.

I am done wit dis matter. Dear brothers, adieu !

jpphilips:


There is a comparison tool I left you to compare all attack helos, use it and stop whining, I gave you days to see if you have a clue how those comparisons are made, you turned out with the usual horse shit, believe me because I teach kids in kindergarten nonsesnse.
Boeing said the AH-64 compete with Mi-28 & Ka52, are you smarter than Boeing?
If you see a comparison chart with AH-64 & Mi28 but no Mi-35, common sense should tell you the later isn't competing with the former.

An ordinary man that wrote the story is your god now abi? You can't be smarter than him? Boeing and the source chose only the two helicopters they wish to compare. Common sense should tell you that because their comparison also excludes Eurocopter Tiger and China Z-10 that looks exactly like Apache, does not mean Tiger and WZ-10 are inferior rivals not competing with Apache.

My guy u hav problem tinking outside a box.

Look it's not about common sense bruz, it's about technical military sense, Boeing cannot compare Mi-35 with Apache because Boeing does not produce assault helicopters of Mi-35 class, Boeing only builds attack helicopters of Mi-28 class.

So Boeing is totally silent on Mi-35 and chose Mi-28 for comparison, same with that your data source, they both said clearly that the comparison is strictly for attack helicopters and Mi-35 doubles as a troop transport, not categorized with those types.

Russia built the Mi-28 as marketing concept to compete with Apache for customers by using copy copy look-alike shape design, that was the failed idea of rival that only 2 buyers choose. Reality turned out differently than designers concept plan, reality today is 80 air forces worldwide choose Mi-35 if they cannot get Apache, so miltary forces world wide have made Mi-35 the real life rival to Apache in real warfare, not in marketing design concept. This simple fact now becomes rocket science too complex for you to understand.

jpphilips:


Oops!! you just didn't read these ones



You can help yourself further here: Use that tool for Mi-35 & learn more.



https://armedforces.eu/compare/helicopters_Mil_Mi-28_vs_Boeing_AH-64_Apache

Oops! Your source did not even mention Mi-35M at all, it says comparison strictly for attack helicopters only, so it excluded Mi-35M being assault helicopter. You don't even know the difference between attack & assault helo.

Your source only compared data of Apache vs Mi-28 so it does not show or prove any Mi-28 superiority over Mi-35M. Wrong comparison basis is how people fail exams and blame lecturer.

I knew you won't find any technical source to prove Mi-28 is better than Mi-35M, cuz none exists. All you càn ever prove is your own gut feelings. See how many days you laboured Googling like you will get paid, still yet no Mi-35 vs Mi-28 result to be found.

jpphilips:


You can't prove capabilities wrong or right with your gut feeling & transactional stats, its an absurd way of thinking.
AH-64 compares side by side with Mi-28, until you get those capabilities, you won't make sense!
Trust me

I read dozens of database info and PDFs on Mi-28, Mi-35 M, Apache, all many years ago before I ever knew you exist From official published data I picked one point already, Mi-35M has superior armour protection beating Mi-28 to rival Apache.

80 air forces that chose Mi-35 did gut procurement? Na u dey rant wit ya guy feelings my bruz.

Plz post now data side by side capability comparison table of Mi-28 vs Mi-35 M new variant of 2005, you say am wrong, now u prove me wrong with data and stop dis your noise abeg.

jpphilips:


Was expecting you to do a side by side comparison of Mi 28 & Mi35 vs Apache, highlighting features & capabilities.
You will be convinced after that.

I have proved u wrong wit some statistics already, 80 real air forces bought Mi-35 while only 2 chose Mi-28. I already said Mi-35 has superior armour, no weapon on Mi-28 that is not on Mi-35. NAF's 12 new Mi-35 has the newest latest most modern most sophisticated Russian avionic technology capabilities of year 2005 to beat older Mi-28.

I won't waste my time writing long comparison of capabilities that everyone can Google find. Why don't you write your long comparison analysis to prove me wrong and prove wrong all 80 air forces that chose to buy Mi-35 not Mi-28?

I won't be dragged into dose endless arguments dat guys do here all because some people forever stick to their wrong points even if proved clearly wrong, all cuz of ego, as if ego wins prizes in Olympics

jpphilips:


Russia rival the US AH-64 with MI 28, not Mi 35.

Someone said dis b4 but I didnt reply cuz I avoid endless arguments. Rival in what way?

My bruz, no weapon on Mi-28 dat Mi-35M cannot carry. Mi-35M armour is superior to Mi-28 armour. People have wrong ideas dat Mi-28 is better, no, not latest type NAF dozen Mi-35M Hind E with the most advanced Russian avionics ever.

Russia rivals Apache with Mi-35, if you ask them for combat helicopter sale, Russia will market Mi-35 to you. Apart from the maker, only 2 countries bought Mi-28, while 20 countries bought Apache and 80 countries bought Mi-24/35. That shows you the real two rivals according to judgement by air forces worldwide, not according to we civilians' judgement nah

Jimi24:


All MI 35Ms are Hind Es.
MI 35M Hind E does not mean much. Hind E is just NATO trying to track the maturity of the original MI 24 design

If I write your actual name and put WARTHUNDER after it, it should not be done in a way that suggests there are other people answering to your name

I know what you mean but some Mi-35 M in market are not original, they are second hand old Mi-24 P rebuilt to Mi-35 M with less capable sophistication. People often add Hind E to those factory built OEM Mi-35 M to differentiate.

All those Mi-35 M procured by NAF before 2015 are second hand Mi-24 rebuilt to Mi-35 M, but these 12 brand new Mi-35 M imported by NAF 2016 because the other old rebuilt 35 M lacked required capabilities, are real factory OEM built Hind E with state of the art, best of Russian avionic technology. NAF has both types so I differentiated.

Jimi24:


You are close.
You even left out militarized 2 BELL helicopters, one AW1XX from Presidential fleet with capacity to deploy countermeasures, a number of A109LUH ...but what is MI 35Hind E?

Russian rival to American Apache helicopter, the Mi-35 M Hind E is Nigeria's most powerful, most sophisticated CT-COIN asset, NAF's pride.

oyinpr:
see Clown hahahaha! I done hear. Open source ma A**���

Dear AFIT graduate, pls give us your own NAF list of armed aircraft. Enough chest beating my broz.

oyinpr:
SMH I'll just allow you wallow in your fallacy my good man...SMH correcting you is pointless. Just imagine figures wey this guy dey cook up God! Lolz

Anybody calling that NAF fleet list a cook up is totally militarily illiterate. Its open source published figures, if you cant find them like I did, it shows u dont know dis biz at all. Be a bit humble n learn, it helps. Am done giving u free tutorial.

oyinpr:
oga na AFIT I go so relax when we dey talk about airforce I've seen it all, I've got buddies that fly both fighter jets and attack helos so no even come dey talk about actually numbers of platforms abeg no go there lol

Ma bros, no matter you school at AFIT if you cannot count NAF birds u shld chop koboko . Actual numbers of NAF aircraft is not special secret reserved for only AFIT students. Operational # is air marshal info, I know NAF owns estimate 50 Mils among total 70 helos, 30 jets.

Mi-24 P Belarus 2
Mi-24 P Ukraine 4
Mi-24 V 1
Mi-24 P Russia 6
Mi-35 M 9
Mi-8 MT armed 10
Mi-35 Hind E new, to complete 12
SA-342 Gazelle up armed 3
AW-109 factory armed new, to complete 6
AS-332 Puma up armed not sure #, 3
EC-135 up armed not sure, 6
CH-3 China armed drone 4
Estimate operational jets cuz we bought double # Alpha new 4, old 8, L-39 12, F-7 8.

98 aircraft, roughly 100 NAF fleet. Me is right, you all owe me one cool beer each, pls buy me free weekend booze!!!

oyinpr:
the airforce has limited air assets deployed in the N.E lol no dey exaggerate abeg

Bruz you dont know? Its not exaggeration, NAF has 70 helos 30 jets fleet. 50 Mi-24 n 35, 20 Puma, Agusta, Eurocopter, 30 Alpha, F-7, L-39, let's say 100 NAF combat aircraft to use on BH ISW.

oyinpr:
my point exactly they will "help" a great deal!

Bruz but NA says helicopters will win the war and finally finish Boko Haram.

oyinpr:
read about Iraqi army aviation and their employment in the capture of mosul and see practical example of the effectiveness of army aviation ya

The blood of 2,000 KIA Kurdish fighters and 10,000 WIA, defeated ISIS, not Iraqi army aviation. Helicopters will help but not the winning tool. We all read about it, and experts who witnessed the war tell the world that Kurdish men on ground were main key to victory over ISIS not helicopters.

oyinpr:
let the army employ air assets oga, you seem to underestimate the power of army aviation o SMH. Me I still stand with the army getting helos, you seem to forget that most ISWAP attacks that overrun FOB's occur over the night for long periods of time without support from airforce air assets with army helos these situations will be far from what we have now and pls the airforce has limited air assets deployed in the N.E lol no dey exaggerate abeg

I have agreed boss, I said give NA the NAFs 6 new armed Agusta to see practical. I dont underestimate air power, I lecture its strategic benefit in school, just saying if 100 cannot win for 10 years 115 birds cannot win. ISIS was defeated by land forces not army aviation, thats another practical lesson my bruz.

Me, I no be senator, I cannot stop army getting helicopters, NA already ordered 3 AS 350 helicopters from France and paid first deposit. Its a done deal already, lets see what happens when NA aviation helos enter frontline service.