[size=18pt]Are you a Christian?  Do you DETEST atheists? [/size]


One prominent NL Christian, Davidylan, makes no secrets about his detest for atheist.  If this it is true that he detests atheist, then this most be the pinnacle of hypocricy, unless he is not familiar with the supposed messages of love from Jesus.

Are you like Davidylan?  Do you also detest atheists?  Would you socialise or fratenise with atheist?

I don't detest atheists and in fact I associate with them all the time. It would be impossible to get on in this world otherwise.

I've just got back from 9ja and I am certain that there are more atheists in 9ja than anywhere else in the world.

The human mind is a funny complex thing. What you think you believe consciously is not what you actually believe subconsciously. I believe that your subsconscious is expressed in one's behaviour that might be contrary to what one consciously professes.

Nigerians go on the way they do because deep down, without their knowing it, they don't actually believe in God.

Pastor AIO:

I don't detest atheists and in fact I associate with them all the time. It would be impossible to get on in this world otherwise.

I've just got back from 9ja and I am certain that there are more atheists in 9ja than anywhere else in the world.

The human mind is a funny complex thing. What you think you believe consciously is not what you actually believe subconsciously. I believe that your subsconscious is expressed in one's behaviour that might be contrary to what one consciously professes.

Nigerians go on the way they do because deep down, without their knowing it, they don't actually believe in God.

How could you assert that? When a man goes about his life professing a strong belief in God and Jesus and organises his life in such a fashion as to venerate and celebrate God/Jesus, are you saying that he actually does NOT believe in God? Is he doubly deluded, or is he simply acting in a way to deceive the people around him?

I think your theory requires further evaluation, because i have never been able to understand why the people that shows the most visible religious exhibition are usually the worst exhibiting the most negative inward religious behavior. They make the most noise, preach love incessantly, and have a very pious look in public with bible or koran under their armpit, but when the get to their homes or offices, they metamorphosise into something entirely different, they treat people under them ( less privileged than them), like shiet, they engage in all sorts of acts contrary to what they profess in public. They steal, cheat, hate, curse, fornicate, lie, etc,

I thing psychologists should study the mind of the average Nigerian and see whether pastor AIO' hypothesis is valid

huxley:

How could you assert that?  When a man goes about his life professing a strong belief in God and Jesus and organises his life in such a fashion as to venerate and celebrate God/Jesus, are you saying that he actually does NOT believe in God?  Is he doubly deluded, or is he simply acting in a way to deceive the people around him?

I think it is partly a social thing. Religion offers a sense of community. . .of belonging to a "special" group of "chosen" or "blessed" people. The religion people identify with, or "practice" is more like a social organization than a medium for moral or ethical improvement/growth. Like pastor said, if u study how religions encourage (or mandate) their adherents to behave, and then study how they actually behave, it would be logical to conclude that deep down they do not actually believe in God. What seems, on the surface, to be a commitment to a religion may be more a commitment to the social group than to the faith itself. People are scared of being seen as outcasts. . . . so they just follow the herd, even though deep down they do not believe the stuff, as their conduct usually suggests.

Krayola2:

I think it is partly a social thing. Religion offers a sense of community. . .of belonging to a "special" group of "chosen" or "blessed" people. The religion people identify with, or "practice" is more like a social organization than a medium for moral or ethical improvement/growth. Like pastor said, if u study how religions encourage their adherents to behave, and then study how they actually behave, it would be logical to conclude that deep down they do not actually believe in God. What seems, on the surface, to be a commitment to a religion may be more a commitment to the social group than to the faith itself. People are scared of being seen as outcasts. . . . so they just follow the herd, even though deep down they do not believe the stuff, as their conduct usually suggests.  

So true.

huxley2:

                                                                                [size=18pt]Are you a Christian?  Do you DETEST atheists? [/size]


One prominent NL Christian, Davidylan, makes no secrets about his detest for atheist.  If this it is true that he detests atheist, then this most be the pinnacle of hypocricy, unless he is not familiar with the supposed messages of love from Jesus.

Are you like Davidylan?  Do you also detest atheists?  Would you socialise or fratenise with atheist?

Jesus detested the pharisees too and all they symbolised but he still went out of His way to preach to nicodemus.

Like i have tried to explain over and over and over again . . . i dont detest the atheist AS A PERSON, i only detest what he stands for. There is a clear difference between the two.

these same atheists who make a habit of gatecrashing Christian threads and raining insults and abuse on anything Christian, are now claiming they're the ones being persecuted?

wonders will never cease.

Nope. I like a good number of the atheists here on NL.
However some are notoriously of guilty of what tpia said

tpia.:

these same atheists who make a habit of gatecrashing Christian threads and raining insults and abuse on anything Christian, are now claiming they're the ones being persecuted?

wonders will never cease.

Krayola2:

I think it is partly a social thing. Religion offers a sense of community. . .of belonging to a "special" group of "chosen" or "blessed" people. The religion people identify with, or "practice" is more like a social organization than a medium for moral or ethical improvement/growth. Like pastor said, if u study how religions encourage (or mandate) their adherents to behave, and then study how they actually behave, it would be logical to conclude that deep down they do not actually believe in God. What seems, on the surface, to be a commitment to a religion may be more a commitment to the social group than to the faith itself. People are scared of being seen as outcasts. . . . so they just follow the herd, even though deep down they do not believe the stuff, as their conduct usually suggests.  

Makes a lot of sense.

Krayola2:

I think it is partly a social thing. Religion offers a sense of community. . .of belonging to a "special" group of "chosen" or "blessed" people. The religion people identify with, or "practice" is more like a social organization than a medium for moral or ethical improvement/growth.

just the same way atheism offers a sense of community.

Krayola2:

Like pastor said, if u study how religions encourage (or mandate) their adherents to behave, and then study how they actually behave, it would be logical to conclude that deep down they do not actually believe in God.

your "logical" conclusion is based on?

Krayola2:

What seems, on the surface, to be a commitment to a religion may be more a commitment to the social group than to the faith itself. People are scared of being seen as outcasts. . . . so they just follow the herd, even though deep down they do not believe the stuff, as their conduct usually suggests.  

this is incoherent. There are just as many church-going christians as there are label-only "christians" . . . who made the latter outcasts and why do you think they feel that way?

I think a lot of your factless diatribe is your own feeling of emptiness.

JeSoul:

Nope. I like a good number of the atheists here on NL.
However some are notoriously of guilty of what tpia said  

Aren't christians guilty of the same as regards muslim threads or threads of other sects/denominations??

Tudór:

Aren't christians guilty of the same as regards muslim threads or threads of other sects/denominations??

  Some christians. And they should be chastised just as much as the atheist gate-crashers. Topics should be respected, if you're not invited or part of the group the poster is soliciting responses from or there to only insult and mudsling, stay away or make your own topic - these are forum rules applying to all in this section.

JeSoul:

  Some christians. And they should be chastised just as much as the atheist gate-crashers.

Funny how you conviniently left that out in your original condemnation of the atheists, isn't it?

Topics should be respected, if you're not invited or part of the group the poster is soliciting responses from or there to only insult and mudsling, stay away or make your own topic

INVITED? since when has posting in a PUBLIC forum become by invitation?

- these are forum rules applying to all in this section.

Forum rules according to who?

Tudór:

Funny how you conviniently left that out in your original condemnation of the atheists, isn't it?

  This is why I don't respond to you often.

This thread is about atheists. I responded about atheists. You expressed ire I didn't condemn christians. I went ahead and condemned the christians too. You've returned with more criticism why I didn't do so in the first place?

You are impossible & I humbly make my exit. Thank you.

Going by the perception of atheists I get on Nairaland, I wouldn't be in a hurry to fraternise with them.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility either. Maybe I get the wrong impression from Nairaland's atheists.

davidylan:

just the same way atheism offers a sense of community.

your "logical" conclusion is based on?

this is incoherent. There are just as many church-going christians as there are label-only "christians" . . . who made the latter outcasts and why do you think they feel that way?

I think a lot of your factless diatribe is your own feeling of emptiness.

How can one have a debate with u when u can't stop making everything personal. I was going to reply your post till I read that last line, and figured this was just going to be another insult contest. I don't come her to fight you, Mr. david. You insult me all the time and I admit I have been guilty on occasion of reciprocating. . . . But it's played out and I can't do it anymore. It's just really childish, and I don't feel comfortable with that becoming how I interact with people on a daily basis. I won't be replying ur posts anymore. Enjoy ur faith, and I wish u all the best.

not sure about detest, more like irritated.

i think most Nairaland Christians are initially shocked by the open display of free thinking on a Nigerian board.

JeSoul:

    This is why I don't respond to you often.

OK

This thread is about atheists. I responded about atheists.

Wrong.
The thread is about christians and their feelings towards atheists. . .you made your feelings known accusing some of guilt. . . .still a little objectivity wouldn't kill you.

You expressed ire I didn't condemn christians.

This i did. . .

I went ahead and condemned the christians too.

Good.

You've returned with more criticism why I didn't do so in the first place?

That was not a criticism but an honest observation (a true one at that) on how you and your group steadily accuse atheists of crimes while conviniently ignoring christians who are also culpable.

You are impossible

Oh no! The last time i heard this a girl was breaking up with me coz i steadily refuse to follow her to church. . .brings back memories. . . . .

& I humbly make my exit. Thank you.

You're welcome.

haha. . .this thread is answering the question it sought to answer, but in it's own unique way. Whoever started the thread is a genius. This is real "show and tell"

Krayola2:

How can one have a debate with u when u can't stop making everything personal. I was going to reply your post till I read that last line, and figured this was just going to be another insult contest. I don't come her to fight you, Mr. david. You insult me all the time and I admit I have been guilty on occasion of reciprocating. . . . But it's played out and I can't do it anymore. It's just really childish, and I don't feel comfortable with that becoming how I interact with people on a daily basis. I won't be replying ur posts anymore. Enjoy ur faith, and I wish u all the best.

dude you seem to have a problem . . . read my post carefully and if you see where i insulted you pls point it out.

To describe your post as factless is not an insult but a TRUTH!

To describe it as empty diatribe is not a personal insult to you but a general assessment of that post.

GROW UP!

bawomolo:

not sure about detest, more like irritated.

i think most Nairaland Christians are initially shocked by the open display of free thinking on a Nigerian board.

You flatter yourself . . .

1. Pls erase that stupid notion that what you're doing is "free thinking". . . its not.

2. Nferyn was here yrs before you little mindless runts. He was a highly intelligent fellow who marshalled his points with dexterity and decorum and everyone respected him for that. He NEVER hijacked posts just to rain insults on everything christian, never created 1000 posts he never could defend but opened ostensibly to irritate others on purpose.

To put you and himself on the same pedestal is grave injustice to intellectual atheists out there. You bunch are not free thinking, you're simply empty headed loud barrels.

davidylan:

You flatter yourself . . .

1. Pls erase that stupid notion that what you're doing is "free thinking". . . its not.

2. Nferyn was here yrs before you little mindless runts. He was a highly intelligent fellow who marshalled his points with dexterity and decorum and everyone respected him for that. He NEVER hijacked posts just to rain insults on everything christian, never created 1000 posts he never could defend but opened ostensibly to irritate others on purpose.

To put you and himself on the same pedestal is grave injustice to intellectual atheists out there. You bunch are not free thinking, you're simply empty headed loud barrels.

hmm a certain someone could use this. You really don't want to pidgeon hole yourself as an insult spewing gimmick.

bawomolo:

hmm a certain someone could use this. You really don't want to pidgeon hole yourself as an insult spewing gimmick.

Decorum is reserved for those who merit it. You dont dash decorum to a insultive pigs with no brains.

And david is in the league of Nferyn, you really need to grow up.

Krayola2:

I think it is partly a social thing. Religion offers a sense of community. . .of belonging to a "special" group of "chosen" or "blessed" people. The religion people identify with, or "practice" is more like a social organization than a medium for moral or ethical improvement/growth. Like pastor said, if u study how religions encourage (or mandate) their adherents to behave, and then study how they actually behave, it would be logical to conclude that deep down they do not actually believe in God. What seems, on the surface, to be a commitment to a religion may be more a commitment to the social group than to the faith itself. People are scared of being seen as outcasts. . . . so they just follow the herd, even though deep down they do not believe the stuff, as their conduct usually suggests.  

How can any educated adult/person read that post and suggest that i was attempting to state facts? That is wasn't a position open to debate, and even attempting to encourage debate? Why does every post have to be seen at an attack that should be defended against?

It is logical to conclude that an adherent to a religion, one which threatens hell as punishment for violation of a moral code, who goes around hurling insults, does not really believe in the God that mandated that moral code and the associated punishment.

Chrisbenogor:

And david is in the league of Nferyn, you really need to grow up.

you're misconstruing adulthood with stupidity. they are not the same. Some people can only be dealt with by simply calling them as they are. I would never dare use harsh language on Nferyn, when he disapproved of christian doctrine he did so with a modicum of respect.

The same cannot be said of rabble rousers like you who DEMAND respect. You earn it!

Krayola2:

It is logical to conclude that an adherent to a religion, one which threatens hell as punishment for violation of a moral code, who goes around hurling insults, does not really believe in the God that mandated that moral code and threatens the associated punishment.

Again i will respond in typical acerbic manner as that is what much of your empty posting deserves.

What is "logical" to conclude? where did your "logic" that led to your "conclusion" come from? Did you go to school at all? How can you state AN OPINION but preface it with "it is logical to conclude"? Conclude based on what?

davidylan:

you're misconstruing adulthood with stupidity. they are not the same. Some people can only be dealt with by simply calling them as they are. I would never dare use harsh language on Nferyn, when he disapproved of christian doctrine he did so with a modicum of respect.

The same cannot be said of rabble rousers like you who DEMAND respect. You earn it!

There again, I can get your point without you resorting to calling names, I dont want to go into any argument with you but I have read all 3007 of nferyns posts, even if I copied and pasted his answers for you, its the same way you will respond david so lets leave it at that. Just make your point without using a derogatory word like I just did.

Chrisbenogor:

There again, I can get your point without you resorting to calling names, I dont want to go into any argument with you but I have read all 3007 of nferyns posts, even if I copied and pasted his answers for you, its the same way you will respond david so lets leave it at that. Just make your point without using a derogatory word like I just did.

i don't think that would be possible.

Chrisbenogor:

There again, I can get your point without you resorting to calling names, I dont want to go into any argument with you but I have read all 3007 of nferyns posts, even if I copied and pasted his answers for you, its the same way you will respond david so lets leave it at that. Just make your point without using a derogatory word like I just did.

Here's hoping your army of followers would take your own advice as i will.

You believe in God
God will send u to hell for misbehaving
You love God and don't want to go to hell
You violate the moral code with no remorse


You either love God, and are fine with going to hell
Or u really do not believe in the shit u pretend to.


There are some Christians on this site that endure what atheist put them thru. they are more patient, less arrogant, and express their views while being good ambassadors of their faiths. e.g. Lady, Debosky,Olaagbedu. In my opinion, those people actually do believe in God, and for the most part practice what the preach.