ivolt:

You obviously have no understanding.
Nobody is forcing Russia to do anything and Putin has no right
to dictate to sovereign countries whichever path they choose.

But America has the right to do so, right?

kponkedenge:


That's what Russia wants you to believe.

This issue started the moment Russia annexed Crimea in 2014.

There was already an agreement on ground for Ukraine to give up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for Russia to respect its sovereignty... Russia broke that promise when they annexed Crimea.

This was the genesis of the problem.... After annexing Crimea, there was no more trust from the Ukranian side on Russia, so they decided to form a better alliance with the West... Then Putin used NATO as an excuse to further invade and annex the whole Ukraine.

The problem is Putin, the problem is Russia, and not the West or US.

Why are you people like this in this country?
Have you read the thread at all?
The report is analyzing the genesis of the problem to you as far back as Tony Blair, Angela Markel, Nicolas Zarkozi, George Bush era and several conferences that were held and parliamentary speeches made and agreement/disagreement reached that led to today's problem in Ukraine.You are here talking about Crimea issue of 2014.

brightleave:
is Ukraine not a sovereign state? Abi dem dey under russia?

Where you people with this shout of SOVEREIGNTY up and down when Cuba was prevented from forming alliance with Russia in 1962?
Or to you people, is this concept of "sovereignty" just developed in this Ukraine-Russia crisis era?

This article has vindicated Russia and Putin.
So Putin has been shouting against the western "invasion" of eastern Europe in several conferences and they pay deaf ears to it all this while?
Putin, you are a leader that have the interest of your people and region at heart.
May God standby you in this struggle to emancipate the world from a unipolar ruler.

yanabasee:



Russia has nukes and if you don't keep a close look on them, they can decide to bomb the US.

America has been a target for a lot of countries with nuclear weapons ..

And to be careful, you must know these people by watching them closely....

And US has no nukes? ....who is to keep eyes on them?

masseratti:
and what is wrong in Russia joining the EU it's self? this opinion piece is for putin puppet fans.. total crap... no one can invade RUSSIA, so what's the point killing ppl

As if every European nation is in EU...? Upto 17 European countries ain't in EU.

Wot stops NATO keeping to simple peace treaty?

SIRTee15:


I'm not hypocrite like u guys. I condemn American reckless invasion of Iraq, Syria and Libya. Afghan invasion may have it's own merits but they should have left after killing osama bin laden.
The worst is Iraq invasion...thats the worst criminal act seen in history. And the only way to appease Iraqis is to arrest and prosecute Blair and Bush for war crime.

Sanction is not a crime. If I decide I dont want to have anything to do with u, it's not a criminal act. Look for other guys to play with.
Cuba received economic support from soviet union and now they moving closer to China. Don't make it look like cuba was in limbo during those period.

Besides every country use the sanction tool. It's not only America.
China has recently sanctioned Australia. They also sanctioned some American politicians meddling in hong kong affairs.

The reason why western sanction is most devastating is because they are the most prosperous bloc. any nation blocked from that economy/market will suffer economic consequences.
Hopefully china entry into global market will change that narrative. If west sanction u, turn to China.

There's no justification for unprovoked russian invasion of Ukraine. None at all.

Sanctions isn't a crime but its effects are criminal. And do have lasting effect on countries and more importantly people in those Countries.

Russia invasion of Ukraine didn't happen in a vacuum. Of course it was provoke. That much is very clear even from this article. You don't like violence that's fine but you also need to understand cause and effects. If situations were handled better by all sides we won't be here. Obviously Russia is not without fault, same goes for Ukraine and the west. If only one side had relaxed their hardline we won't be in this situation today. This is the case through out history. It didn't just start with Putin. Countries have gone to war in the past over trivial things.

If Russia wasn't provoked they would never have a reason to invade Ukraine. To you their reason is trivial but to them its of immense importance for their own security. That's why the best diplomats are those who don't only see things from their own perspective. But try as much to get in the mind space of the opposite party, trying to come at the issue from their perspective. But a diplomat no matter how good they are can't do anything when none of the sides involve are ready to meet in the middle.

kponkedenge:


That's what Russia wants you to believe.

This issue started the moment Russia annexed Crimea in 2014.

There was already an agreement on ground for Ukraine to give up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for Russia to respect its sovereignty... Russia broke that promise when they annexed Crimea.

This was the genesis of the problem.... After annexing Crimea, there was no more trust from the Ukranian side on Russia, so they decided to form a better alliance with the West... Then Putin used NATO as an excuse to further invade and annex the whole Ukraine.

The problem is Putin, the problem is Russia, and not the West or US.

The problem didn't start in 2014.
Also, Crimea, according to history belonged to Russia. Crimeans voted to b home, to b Russians, not as if Russia took it by force.

Even if Putin had wanted Ukraine, NATO and Ukraine gave him d lead. Dey gave him reasons to assert his ambition.

oluobi:


Are you aware American troops are still in Syria, as of this moment. How come there is no outcry to push those troops out of Syria, or is there any record that they were invited by Assad. Did they get any mandate from the UN?
Hypocrisy!

They went there to 'liberate' some Syrians from Assad,according to them,but Putin cannot go into Ukraine to 'liberate' Donbass people from Zelensky.
Hypocrisy!

There should be a new world order.

Are u blind? Didn't u see I already condemn USA involvement in Syria. Or what else do u want me to do.
Abeg commot for road and find else where to vent your fustration.
What's my business with new world order? If it's got nothing for Africa, I'm not interested.

SIRTee15:


Are u blind? Didn't u see I already condemn USA involvement in Syria. Or what else do u want me to do.
Abeg commot for road and find else where to vent your fustration.
What's my business with new world order? If it's got nothing for Africa, I'm not interested.

You guys come online to abuse anybody. I don't blame you. I wish you well.

Coz they know Kremlin never believed in Ukraine as a country if its own

Pacesetter123:
Why was America bent on getting Ukraine in NATO in that summit?

VirileNelly2420:

As if every European nation is in EU...? Upto 17 European countries ain't in EU.

Wot stops NATO keeping to simple peace treaty?

is NATO EU? are Ukrainians not Europeans? if they want to have economical relationships with their European brothers is that a bad thing? do you have to kill people for that? you guys are so pathetic.. Ur point is so irrelevant...

your lots av been disgraced on this forum.... happy people are being killed for nothing and you laughing... jeez you can are pathetic.

Pacesetter123:
Also ask what is wrong that Britain is leaving the EU?

am sure uv never been to the to an airport before, it's not Britain.. it's united Kingdom. ask your self, whats bad in Ukraine trying to join the EU for economical gains?

Terrier99:


I usually don't entertain jejune arguments but I'll make an exception for you.
Germans beat Russians so bad that they almost took Moscow.

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow

You still haven't answered my question.

Which country captured Berlin that ended the war in Europe?

gowaga68:


Culled from: https://www.wsj.com/articles/vladimir-putins-20-year-march-to-war-in-ukraineand-how-the-west-mishandled-it-11648826461

Thanks for this vital information.
Please can you be kind enough to send the remaining part of the article cos ‘wsj’ will not reveal the rest of the article.

Thanks.

Nah UK and US Dey always find trouble first from history….. Even for Afriqa and Asjia . Russia no wan go relegation yet . Imagine how eh go be if US and UK Dey control China and Russia as dem Dey control Taiwan and Hong Kong before. . Z power no be today …… Putin has being waiting for this moment . That’s why he remained in power - To Restore Mother Russia !!!!! Which could potentially save planet earth and balance this life wey no balance at all . If Russia is in control , Nigeria ho wake up quick . Because Russians don’t condone mediocrity like the west lol

willi926:
From my small understanding, Putin was just trying to protect his Russia territories and interests by asking NATO to stay back and stop coming closer east ward. But Eu and america saw it as a bluff thereby opening there arms to embrace Ukraine and Georgia. So na America and Eu first start to dey find trouble.

masseratti:
am sure uv never been to the to an airport before, it's not Britain.. it's united Kingdom. ask your self, whats bad in Ukraine trying to join the EU for economical gains?

Some of you people are so funny with African mentality.
What has been to an airport got to do with what we are discussing now?
You were asking what is wrong with Russia joining EU themselves.
I then asked you what is wrong that your slave master, Great Britain/United Kingdom is leaving the same EU you wanted Russia to join.
And instead of you to maintain the line of argument, you are busy jumping off line to going to an airport and Ukraine joining EU.
Was been to an airport and Ukraine joining EU part of our initial comments?
So you think you travel more than I do?

All these things na LIE. WSJ that promotes woke media agenda is what I will believe? Park well jor

Media is one of the greatest scams. Everyone of them promoting their own agenda without saying it as it is. Believe this jargon at your peril

GardenOfGod:
Done Reading...
Analysing...

1) Putin is arrogant but his arrogance is as a result of the West's unfriendly approach to issues concerning the economy and security of Russia.

2) The West is entirely to blame for the escalation of war in Ukraine.

3) The US's foreign policy is directly opposite to that of Russia and that makes both of them contentious of each other.

4) The West keep on seeing Russia as a threat, thereby aggravating the already arrogant tendency of Mr Putin.

Therefore, the West and US is to blame for Putin’s inversion of Ukraine.
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Better truth have never been spoken like this concerning this matter.
Indeed flesh and blood did not reveal this to you.
Kudos, you are wise.

I've been getting lot of bot ban on here. I'll try see what could be done on your request.

topelenege:



Thanks for this vital information.
Please can you be kind enough to send the remaining part of the article cos ‘wsj’ will not reveal the rest of the article.

Thanks.

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womenareapess:
by there comments you will know the terrorist coming from that religion of pizz

Go and fast and stop talking rubbish

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If you had sense tho…

englishmart:
America is not 1/10th as powerful as they've made us believe. People who couldn't defeat ordinary Talibans in over 20-years.

And their asslickers "littered" across this forum wants us to believe Russia should defeat a country with organized security systems(not ragtag taliban) it invaded in matter of days. Simpleton!!!

topelenege:



Thanks for this vital information.
Please can you be kind enough to send the remaining part of the article cos ‘wsj’ will not reveal the rest of the article.

Thanks.

when you get the remaining part, do @me.

Why do you think WSJ won't release the rest of the article?

yanabasee:



Russia has nukes and if you don't keep a close look on them, they can decide to bomb the US.

America has been a target for a lot of countries with nuclear weapons ..

And to be careful, you must know these people by watching them closely....

so, America can invade and trigger wars at will, but it's other nations that should be watched. Who watches over America?

America was the first to use nuke in Japan and couldn't use it again since other nations developed their own. But it's the Russia that should be watched.

masseratti:
is NATO EU? are Ukrainians not Europeans? if they want to have economical relationships with their European brothers is that a bad thing? do you have to kill people for that? you guys are so pathetic.. Ur point is so irrelevant...

your lots av been disgraced on this forum.... happy people are being killed for nothing and you laughing... jeez you can are pathetic.

I think U're rather lost. Who and who are laughing? Who's killing who by d way? ... according to Western media, Ukraine is dealing with Russia.
So tell me, Russian lives don't matter?

Also, is Nigeria and China in any economic tie? ...have we not been having economic relation wit Dem? ...it's same wit oda nations.
U don't need to be in EU to Foster economic relationship with dem.

Thiz organizations are mainly for military alliance. For d fact dat d real leaders of EU are are enemies of Russia, dey are also in NATO. According to books, dey had treaty da would help in geopolitical security. They should not expand to d East! As u know, Russia is d king of d East.
But EU and NATO has faulted dis treaty. Russia wants to use Ukraine to remind dem dat d calmness of a lion is not cowardice.

VirileNelly2420:

I think U're rather lost. Who and who are laughing? Who's killing who by d way? ... according to Western media, Ukraine is dealing with Russia.
So tell me, Russian lives don't matter?

Also, is Nigeria and China in any economic tie? ...have we not been having economic relation wit Dem? ...it's same wit oda nations.
U don't need to be in EU to Foster economic relationship with dem.

Thiz organizations are mainly for military alliance. For d fact dat d real leaders of EU are are enemies of Russia, dey are also in NATO. According to books, dey had treaty da would help in geopolitical security. They should not expand to d East! As u know, Russia is d king of d East.
But EU and NATO has faulted dis treaty. Russia wants to use Ukraine to remind dem dat d calmness of a lion is not cowardice.

EU is a political and economic bloc not military and not all EU members are NATO members,
Russian lives matters if Putin had not invade Ukraine.. Ukrainians didn't go to Russia to kill Russians.. Russians came to Ukraine to kill them and they are defending their territory.
your analogy about Nigeria and China is flawed.. if Ukraine is part of EU they won't pay taxes, duty on most of their goods they will be part of the largest economic bloc in the world.. this war is senseless.

Pacesetter123:

Some of you people are so funny with African mentality.
What has been to an airport got to do with what we are discussing now?
You were asking what is wrong with Russia joining EU themselves.
I then asked you what is wrong that your slave master, Great Britain/United Kingdom is leaving the same EU you wanted Russia to join.
And instead of you to maintain the line of argument, you are busy jumping off line to going to an airport and Ukraine joining EU.
Was been to an airport and Ukraine joining EU part of our initial comments?
So you think you travel more than I do?

Na airport be your problem? is there no freedom of association again? a sovereign nation has the right to join or not join any association, group or anything, not for another country or nation to dictate for them.

masseratti:
EU is a political and economic bloc not military and not all EU members are NATO members,
Russian lives matters if Putin had not invade Ukraine.. Ukrainians didn't go to Russia to kill Russians.. Russians came to Ukraine to kill them and they are defending their territory.
your analogy about Nigeria and China is flawed.. if Ukraine is part of EU they won't pay taxes, duty on most of their goods they will be part of the largest economic bloc in the world.. this war is senseless.

Must u kill a perceived enemy? Why not neutralize Dem and keep Dem hostage?

A soldier is a soldier. He obeys d final command from his superior. So, Russian soldiers are working base on orientation and ideology. Why not neutralize n capture dem?

Oh, u're elated by d news of Ukrainian killing Russians in tens of thousands?

Pacesetter123:
But America has the right to do so, right?

when and how? America is not perfect that we all know but two wrongs don't a right.

You are ignorant of how the UN works. The permanent members can veto any substantial UN Resolutions. China has done it so has Russia. I am sure you have heard of UN resolutions regarding Israel's occupation of some area of Palestine, which have been ignored. UN resolutions are under different chapters (VI and VII..Biding and non biding) but they lack enforcement mechanism. US deciding to veto a UN resolution is not a "Rule of Law" debate. Rule of law is about no one leader or government officials (Putin, Hitler, Bush, Buhari) acting as if they are above the law of their respective countries. UN does not make laws, they govern many things including voting on resolutions, solving problems amongst member countries and providing peace keeping roles. US supports Saudi Arabia because it is in their best interest of their country (flow of oil). Russia or China supporting North Korea, Cuba and Iran is because it is in their best interest to counter US, NATO and Israel's overeach. UN used to stand up against countries meddling in another countries' internal affairs. Russia broke that understanding by going against another country's sovereignty. I can't recall where US attacked another country without a UN Resolution.
Regarding the Cuban embargo, any country can have a trade relationship with Cuba or Venezuela, but they are afraid of reprisals from US if they choose to do so.


Are you aware that since 1992, the UN general assembly has voted in favour of that embargo to be lifted every year. The US, to date has ignored the resolution.I ask again is that rule of law?Is that democracy? You need to find out the pain that embargo has inflicted and it's still inflicting on Cubans

We blame our government everyday for not obeying rule of law, yet we are quick to defend US, whenever they do same.

Is the US the same as the UN, they (US)decide which one is dictatorship and which one is not.

Is democracy practiced in Saudi Arabia, NO, but it's okay by US, since they are their allies.
Hypocrisy!




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You are right, Democracy promotes freedom and one man, one vote. Majority carries the day of their elective representatives. Cuba is a communist country, you don's see America taking over or attacking them but she decides not to do business with them and ban their products. North Korea is a dictatorship countries subjecting her people to abject poverty whereas South Korea (democracy country) is enjoying good life. Democracy is not a guaranty for good quality life but it sure beat the autocracy or communist government in living standards and quality of life, afterall, we practice democracy in Nigeria, where has that led us with a quasi authoritarian, tribalistic government and not rule of law, disobeying court orders right and left but the Judiciary too has problems too with 419 judges.

jikins:


Democracy promotes freedom does it not? Why then will you want to impose your will on others. If a country wants to be a communist country why don't you respect their decision. Why do you have to sanction and starve them out just because you want your will to be implemented and not the will of the people. There is no excuse. A country should be allowed to grow and develop its own values and identity. If its ruled by a man for 30 years whats it to you? Is it your rule? If the people stand up and say the want something different then they make it so. Not every country has to be a democracy.

This is why I will always advocate for China and Russia to be just as strong and challenge the west. Because if these people have absolute power and influence only God knows the length they will go to ensure their will is enforced. Look at how Obama denied sending Jonathan weapons because Nigeria refused their lgbtq nonsense. They were willing to let Nigerians die just so they can see their interest realised.