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Joe Frazier, Mohamed Ali's Best Enemy! by ChappyChase: 2:56pm On Jun 06, 2016 |
Everyone has been updating us on things we did not know about Ali(world's greatest). So here is my own info and it revolves around his enmity with a fellow boxer Joe Frazier. Their fights in and off the ring, there hate speech before and after their fight(Ali was most guilty of this). There failed attempt in reconciliation and even the fight between their daughters ![]() ![]() Enjoy... |
Re: Joe Frazier, Mohamed Ali's Best Enemy! by ChappyChase: 2:59pm On Jun 06, 2016 |
Frazier and Ali were initially friends. During Ali's
enforced three-year lay-off from boxing for refusing
to be drafted into the US Army, Frazier lent him
money and testified before Congress and petitioned
U.S. President Richard Nixon to have Ali's right to
box reinstated.[28] Frazier supported Ali's right not
to serve in the army, saying "If Baptists weren't
allowed to fight, I wouldn't fight either."[29]
However, in the build-up to their first fight, The Fight
of the Century, Ali turned it into a "cultural and
political referendum", painting himself as a
revolutionary and civil rights champion and Frazier
as the white man's hope, an " Uncle Tom" and a
pawn of the white establishment.[30][31] Ali
successfully turned many black Americans against
Frazier. Bryant Gumbel joined the pro-Ali, anti-
Frazier bandwagon by writing a major magazine
article that asked "Is Joe Frazier a white champion
with black skin?" Frazier thought this was "a cynical
attempt by Clay to make me feel isolated from my
own people. He thought that would weaken me
when it came time to face him in that ring. Well, he
was wrong. It didn't weaken me, it awakened me to
what a cheap-shot son of a bitch he was." He noted
the hypocrisy of Ali calling him an Uncle Tom when
his [Ali's] trainer (Angelo Dundee) was white.[30]
As a result of Ali's campaign, Frazier's children were
bullied at school and his family were given police
protection after receiving death threats.[32] Ali
declared that if Frazier won he would crawl across
the ring and admit that Frazier was the greatest.
After Frazier won by a unanimous decision, he
called upon Ali to fulfil his promise and crawl across
the ring, but he didn't.[33] Ali called it a "white man's
decision" and insisted that he won.[34]
During a televised joint interview prior to their
second bout in 1974, Ali continued to insult Frazier,
who took exception to Ali calling him "ignorant" and
challenged him to a fight, which resulted in the two
of them brawling on the studio floor.[35] Ali went on
to win the 12 round non-title affair by a decision. Ali
took things further in the build-up to their last fight,
The Thrilla in Manila, and called Frazier "the other
type of negro" and "ugly", "dumb" and a
"gorilla"[36] At one point he sparred with a man in a
gorilla suit and pounded on a rubber gorilla doll,
saying "This is Joe Frazier's conscience... I keep it
everywhere I go. This is the way he looks when you
hit him."[37] According to the fight's promoter Don
King, this enraged Frazier, who took it as a
"character assassination" and "personal invective".
[37] One night before the fight, Ali waved around a
toy pistol outside Frazier's hotel room. When Frazier
came to the balcony, he pointed the gun at Frazier
and yelled "I am going to shoot you."[38] After the
fight, Ali summoned Frazier's son Marvis into his
dressing room, and told him that he had not meant
what he had said about his father. When informed
of this by Marvis, Frazier responded: "you ain't me,
son. Why isn't he apologizing to me?" |
Re: Joe Frazier, Mohamed Ali's Best Enemy! by ChappyChase: 3:02pm On Jun 06, 2016 |
son. Why isn't he apologizing to me?"
For years afterwards, Frazier retained his bitterness
towards Ali and suggested that Ali's battle with
Parkinson's syndrome was a form of divine
retribution for his earlier behavior. In 2001, Ali
apologized to Frazier via a New York Times article,
saying "In a way, Joe's right. I said a lot of things in
the heat of the moment that I shouldn't have said.
Called him names I shouldn't have called him. I
apologize for that. I'm sorry. It was all meant to
promote the fight".[39] Frazier reportedly
"embraced it", though he later retorted that Ali only
apologized to a newspaper, not to him. He said: "I'm
still waiting [for him] to say it to me." To this Ali
responded: "If you see Frazier, you tell him he's still
a gorilla."[40]
Frazier told Sports Illustrated in May 2009 that he no
longer held hard feelings for Ali.[41] After Frazier's
death in November 2011, Ali was among those who
attended the private funeral services for Frazier in
Philadelphia. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, who spoke
during the service, asked those in attendance to
stand and "show your love" and reportedly Ali stood
with the audience and clapped "vigorously". |
Re: Joe Frazier, Mohamed Ali's Best Enemy! by ChappyChase: 3:02pm On Jun 06, 2016 |
son. Why isn't he apologizing to me?"
For years afterwards, Frazier retained his bitterness
towards Ali and suggested that Ali's battle with
Parkinson's syndrome was a form of divine
retribution for his earlier behavior. In 2001, Ali
apologized to Frazier via a New York Times article,
saying "In a way, Joe's right. I said a lot of things in
the heat of the moment that I shouldn't have said.
Called him names I shouldn't have called him. I
apologize for that. I'm sorry. It was all meant to
promote the fight".[39] Frazier reportedly
"embraced it", though he later retorted that Ali only
apologized to a newspaper, not to him. He said: "I'm
still waiting [for him] to say it to me." To this Ali
responded: "If you see Frazier, you tell him he's still
a gorilla."[40]
Frazier told Sports Illustrated in May 2009 that he no
longer held hard feelings for Ali.[41] After Frazier's
death in November 2011, Ali was among those who
attended the private funeral services for Frazier in
Philadelphia. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, who spoke
during the service, asked those in attendance to
stand and "show your love" and reportedly Ali stood
with the audience and clapped "vigorously". |
Re: Joe Frazier, Mohamed Ali's Best Enemy! by ChappyChase: 3:12pm On Jun 06, 2016 |
Muhammad Ali and his nemesis,
Joe, alternated over the years between
public apologies and public insults. In 1996,
when Ali lit the Olympic flame in Atlanta, Frazier told
a reporter that he would like to throw Ali into the
fire.
Frazier continued to train young fighters, although
he needed multiple operations for back injuries
sustained in a car accident. He and Ali reportedly
attempted a reconciliation in his final years, but in
October 2006 Frazier still claimed to have won all
three bouts between the two. He declared to a Times
reporter, when questioned about his bitterness
toward Ali, "I am what I am. |
Re: Joe Frazier, Mohamed Ali's Best Enemy! by ChappyChase: 3:33pm On Jun 06, 2016 |
Frazier was diagnosed with liver cancer in late
September 2011. By November 2011, he was under
hospice care, where he died on November 7.[22][51]
Upon hearing of Frazier's death, Muhammad Ali
said, "The world has lost a great champion. I will
always remember Joe with respect and
admiration."[52][53][54] Frazier's private funeral
took place on November 14 at the Enon Tabernacle
Baptist Church in Philadelphia and in addition to
friends and family was attended by Muhammad Ali,
Don King, Larry Holmes, Magic Johnson, Dennis
Rodman, among others. He was later buried at the
Ivy Hill Cemetery, a short drive from the Enon
Tabernacle Baptist Church.[
These two made the game fun RIP Ali.... |
Re: Joe Frazier, Mohamed Ali's Best Enemy! by ChappyChase: 3:34pm On Jun 06, 2016 |
Frazier was diagnosed with liver cancer in late
September 2011. By November 2011, he was under
hospice care, where he died on November 7.[22][51]
Upon hearing of Frazier's death, Muhammad Ali
said, "The world has lost a great champion. I will
always remember Joe with respect and
admiration."[52][53][54] Frazier's private funeral
took place on November 14 at the Enon Tabernacle
Baptist Church in Philadelphia and in addition to
friends and family was attended by Muhammad Ali,
Don King, Larry Holmes, Magic Johnson, Dennis
Rodman, among others. He was later buried at the
Ivy Hill Cemetery, a short drive from the Enon
Tabernacle Baptist Church.[
These two made the game fun RIP Ali.... |
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