davidif:


We are talking non-partisan elections here. In other words they must not run under any party or be a member of any party to run for the position.

Nigerian is not France.

No to state police, Police should rather shun corruption

I fear for state police, in Nigeria I can tell you we at not mature for that as entails in developed country. the politician we use them to wit hunt their political enemy, any body that against govt policy and many others take look at Kogi state as end exapmle , Ekiti state and an many others...I'm scared of that

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we should not just be copying ideas we should endeavor to properly understand them n define exactly what we want in our peculiar environment, to me the idea of state police isn't bad but to avoid abuse my suggestion is that federal police should man federal capital,Area council headquarters,state capitals,LG headquarters n any other town assigned to them while the state community police should man all other towns n villages within the states n FCT,let the personnel of the said state community police serve in their local government area only n not posted beyond that,they should as a must be married before been recruited, the limit of their weapons should also be clearly defined, their working relationship in terms of powers to the federal police should also be clearly defined, as a matter of fact the present various state vigilante groups can easily be upgraded to form the nucleus of the state police.

ChangetheChange:





Confused people

As election is approaching, they want to deceive voters again

Imagine Rochas Okorocha with a State Police, he would have eliminated PDP members in IMO State

Imagine Aregbeshola with a State Police, he would have locked civili servants and pensioners in Osun state over his inability to pay them their salaries and pension, he would have locked up Senator Adeleke, Davido's Father, LAUTECH students and PDP members

Imagine a Wike with a State Police, Amaechi will never enter Rivers State again, he would flee for his life


Imagine El Rufai with a State Police means a governor like El Rufai will beome Adolf Hitler of Kano State, he would have crushed and wiped out Senator Sheu Sanni, Christians in Kaduna and Opposition party members with his State police

Imagine ObasekiPhilip Shuaibu/Oshiomole with a State Police they would have wipe put PDP members in Edo State

Imagine Okowa with State Police, he would have eliminated APC members in Delta State.


No to State Politics, our Politicians will use it to witch hunt, victimize, kill and massacre.



Imagine Yayaha Bello of Kogi State with State Police, he would have ordered the secret extra judicial killing of Dino Melaye

Stop spewing trash! Dont we have state Judiciary? Has has Wike or other politicians arm twist it to carry out evil deeds?

YelloweWest:

Nigerian is not France.

It doesn't have to be to have a non partisan state wide election for the supritendent of police.

davidif:


It doesn't have to be to have a non partisan state wide election for the supritendent of police.

We are simply not there yet. Really check..

Eg a 70 woman was disgraced for having sex with a younger man some days ago
While the 39yearold French president is married to a woman who is just 4 years younger...

Nigeria is just not ready now.

davidif:


This police men don't have to be full time police men you know? They can have other jobs and businesses as long as they disclose it before hand. If they don't and they are caught then it's a fireable offense with possible jail time.

so they work for free And no incentives?? Lol.... With the way things are in this country trust me they will help themselves. Monkey dey work baboon dey chop

YelloweWest:

We are simply not there yet. Really check..

Eg a 70 woman was disgraced for having sex with a younger man some days ago
While the 39yearold French president is married to a woman who is just 4 years younger...

Nigeria is just not ready now.

The best way for someone to grow is to give them responsibility. You can't keep carrying the baby the rest of your life. At some time you have to put them on the ground and let them figure it out themselves. #letthebabywalk.

naijagobetter:
so they work for free And no incentives?? Lol.... With the way things are in this country trust me they will help themselves. Monkey dey work baboon dey chop

Nope. You pay them a salary according to your budget.
When it comes to corruption, that's why you have a board that oversees the police dept and make the head of police elected by the people making them accountable to the people. You can't steal from people and expect them to vote for you at the ballot.

Blue3k:


None that's a bit hyperbole? I said local for a reason. NASS has 23 separate bill over "Restructuring" adding more over LG autonomy won hurt. In fact this discussion about restructuring without giving this tier of government fiscal autonomy to carry out jobs is pointless.

That is why any bill that
1, does not separate State account from LGa account is DOA
2, Any bill that does not remove the power of Governor for fire LGA chairmen anyhow is DOA

davidif:


Then when will it ever be? Aren't you people tired of mediocrity? You complain that the police force cannot protect people from cattle herders get when they offer changes you complain that it won't work. When will you people stop being afraid of taking risks and making changes instead of the tired old tropes "Nigeria is not ready for state police", "the governor's would use them as their personal army" blah blah blah.
A highly trained localized police force accountable to the people in the community is the best way to ensure the security of the people not some distant, inefficient, hyper corrupt police force far off in Abuja that is only accountable to the federal govt.

Mr man you only quote a fragment of my statement why not quote all.

State police in Nigeria current political set-up is a no no

Even a small child knows that.

You can call me whatever pleases you. That does not reduce my stand period

engineerboat:



That is why any bill that
1, does not separate State account from LGa account is DOA
2, Any bill that does not remove the power of Governor for fire LGA chairmen anyhow is DOA

1It's DOA based on what? Members NASS already think it's dumb idea. There's plenty of university research to back it up. The State Assembly mightbe obstacles but pressure and party politics will prevail for bettter.

2. The supreme courts already said you can't fire LGA chairmen.

Link: http://punchng.com/supreme-court-faults-laws-empowering-govs-sack-%e2%80%8elgs/

Blue3k:


1It's DOA based on what? Members NASS already think it's dumb idea. There's plenty of university research to back it up. The State Assembly mightbe obstacles but pressure and party politics will prevail for bettter.

2. The supreme courts already said you can't fire LGA chairmen.

Link: http://punchng.com/supreme-court-faults-laws-empowering-govs-sack-%e2%80%8elgs/

Take a look at this.

1. https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/editorial/supreme-court-ruling-on-lgs-tenure/177251.html

2.
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/akeredolu-sacks-council-chairmen-councillors


Read the two and get back

engineerboat:




Take a look at this.

1. https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/editorial/supreme-court-ruling-on-lgs-tenure/177251.html

2.
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/akeredolu-sacks-council-chairmen-councillors


Read the two and get back

1. Your article proved my point. The court said it's illegal to fire local government chairmen. The big issue your article points out is federal government ineptitude perpetuate the system. They don't need restructuring not to send care taker committee money.

The judge also said Section 7(1) of the Constitution seeks to guarantee the system of local government by democratically elected local government councils and conferred “sacrosanctity on the election of such officials whose electoral mandates derived from the will of the people freely exercised through the democratic process.” “The elected councils are therefore clothed in constitutional force.”

While the Supreme Court judgement stands commendable, the dividends from its new relief of guaranteed tenure for the Local Government councils may not be optimised until the federal government also consolidates the threshold of rectitude by upholding the constitutional provision of restricting funding to only elected Local government councils.

2. Your second link is broken. found Amp version.

The governanor was ordered to sack these guys by the court because their position should were illegitimate. Did you read these articles or just citing them to keep me busy. This is not the same example as care taker committee.

Ondo State Governor, Mr Rotimi Akeredolu, has ordered all the chairmen and councillors of the 18 Local Government Areas in the state to vacate their offices with immediate effect. The governor’s order was sequel to the judgment of an Akure High Court which dissolved local government administrations in the state.

“This directive is predicated on the order of Honourable Justice Adesola Sidiq of the State High Court, Akure, which found that the 1st and 2nd Defendants, Ondo State Independent Electoral Commission and Prof Olugbenga Ige, the Chairman, conducted the election of 23 April, 2016, “in violation of the mandatory provisions of Sections 1(1) (3),40, 42, 287 of the Constitution Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999, as amended, and Articles 2, 3(1) (2), 10(1), 11 and 13 (1) of the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights (Ratification and Enforcement) Act Cap. A9, the Laws of Federation, 2004,” and, consequently, dissolved all Local Government Administrative set up across all the 18 Local Government Areas of Ondo State.”

engineerboat:


Mr man you only quote a fragment of my statement why not quote all.

State police in Nigeria current political set-up is a no no

Even a small child knows that.

You can call me whatever pleases you. That does not reduce my stand period

Ok since you dont like state police then why not go one better and push for local police or are you one of those types that only knows how to criticize new ideas but can't offer any new ideas besides the tired old ineffective status quo?

davidif:


Ok since you dont like state police then why not go one better and push for local police or are you one of those types that only knows how to criticize new ideas but can't offer any new ideas besides the tired old ineffective status quo?

You are only contradicting yourself.

State Police is Good but Nigeria is not ripe for state Police.

1. When Governor Stop treating LGA like their servants
2. When Governor stops sacking, firing LGA chairmen just like a civil servant or as their normal political appointees
3. When STATE and LGA joint account ciezed to be (seperation)
4. When Governors stops arrassing their opponents because they are not in agreement with them.
5. When the Power that be stop misusing even the NPF

Mr. dont just keep shouting state police, state police when you known Nigeria is not ripe

Blue3k:


1. Your article proved my point. The court said it's illegal to fire local government chairmen. The big issue your article points out is federal government ineptitude perpetuate the system. They don't need restructuring not to send care taker committee money.





2. Your second link is broken. found Amp version.

The governanor was ordered to sack these guys by the court because their position should were illegitimate. Did you read these articles or just citing them to keep me busy. This is not the same example as care taker committee.

Am not sure you know what actually transpired.

Position not legitimate.

you are only confirming it that the Governor only o what pleases them.

A LGA Chairmen appointed by election, you said are not LEGITIMATE.

Then what is your own definition of legitimate.

This was February 26.

Governor Rotimi Akeredolu has approached the Court of Appeal to upturn a judgment of an Ondo State High Court barring the state government from dissolving local governments in the state. The case is due for mention at the Appeal Court, sitting in Akure, the state capital, tomorrow.

The governor’s statement of appeal to the appellate court, served on the counsel to the 18 local government chairmen and councilors, Olusola Oke, was sighted by our correspondent yesterday in Akure.

The chairmen and councilors were elected on the platform of the Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, which lost the last governorship election to the ruling All Progressives Congress, APC, in the state. The Ondo State High Court had, on January 17, ruled on a suit filed by the 18 local government chairmen and councilors, led by their chairman, Mr. David Alarapon, Chairman of Akure South LGA.

It ruled that the state government, either by their agents or servants, had no right to remove the elected officials until their tenure lapsed. Rotimi-Akeredolu In the judgment delivered by the then Chief Judge of the state, Justice Olasehinde Kumuyi, the court upheld the claims by Alarapon and 34 others, among who were some councilors, that the council officials were democratically elected to serve for a tenure of three years which would lapse on April 25, 2019.

The council leaders had approached the court to prevent the state government from dissolving, sacking, dethroning, impeaching or however removing the claimants from their respective positions, offices, duties, functions, powers and rights.

The claimants averred that anything to the contrary would contravene the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999 (as amended.) In granting the prayers of the local council chairmen and councilors, Kumuyi observed that the “tenure of an elected councilors or office holder cannot be abridged or determined at the whims or caprices of anyone one except the electorate.”

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/02/akeredolu-goes-court-appeal-dissolve-ondo-councils/

Still on this matter, May I ask you is Akeredolu the PRP chairman.

The Ondo State high Court, sitting in Akure, the state capital on Friday dissolved the local government executives in the eighteen local government areas of the state.

Justice Isiq while delivering his judgment held that the Ondo State Independent Electoral Commission (ODIEC) erred by omitted the Peoples Redemption Party (PRP) on the election ballot paper.

The suit was inherited by the Rotimi Akeredolu led government.

The matter was brought before the court by the leadership of the PRP in the state.

Election tribunal was set-up PRP did not show up nor attend.


The summary is that the Court case Akeredolu is standing on is baseless.

engineerboat:


Am not sure you know what actually transpired.

Position not legitimate.

you are only confirming it that the Governor only o what pleases them.

A LGA Chairmen appointed by election, you said are not LEGITIMATE.

Then what is your own definition of legitimate.

This was February 26.




Still on this matter, May I ask you is Akeredolu the PRP chairman.



Election tribunal was set-up PRP did not show up nor attend.


The summary is that the Court case Akeredolu is standing on is baseless.

Dude what are you ramblings about? Make sure this is your last reply to me. You change shift goal post every reply. Now you saying highcourts ruling was incorrect. They should've take it up with supreme court to overturn it simple.

The court said they broke all sorts of rules in constitution making election invalid. The governor removed them on that ground. This was not a unilateral action. The governor didn't fire them the court did essentially.

Does it matter if he's PRP what does it have to with ruling. Who cares if they didn't show up the merit of case is based on law. It's weird but whatever.

Blue3k:



Dude what are you ramblings about? Make sure this is your last reply to me. You change shift goal post every reply. Now you say4th highcourts ruling was incorrect. They should've take it up with supreme court to overturn it simple.

The court said they broke all sorts of rules in constitution making election invalid. The governor removed them on that ground. This was not a unilateral action. The governor didn't fire them the court did essentially.

Does it matter if he's PRP what does it have to with ruling. Who cares if they didn't show up the merit of case is based on law. It's weird but whatever.

Why won't I reply you because you are missing the fact of the matter and you fail to realize the reality.

1. Has the Appeal court deliever the its judgment
2. Why did Akeredolu send lawyer to court I'm a case that does not concern neither APC nor Akeredolu
3. Why did Akeredolu refuse to allow PRP chairman appear in court with PRP lawyers.

It shows you are far fr reality.

State police s not ripe in Nigeria period

engineerboat:



You are only contradicting yourself.

State Police is Good but Nigeria is not ripe for state Police.

1. When Governor Stop treating LGA like their servants
2. When Governor stops sacking, firing LGA chairmen just like a civil servant or as their normal political appointees
3. When STATE and LGA joint account ciezed to be (seperation)
4. When Governors stops arrassing their opponents because they are not in agreement with them.
5. When the Power that be stop misusing even the NPF

Mr. dont just keep shouting state police, state police when you known Nigeria is not ripe

I did not contradict myself. I am in favor of shifting policing from the federal govt and moving it closer to the people be it state or local. A constable is less likely to extort his constituents (or neighbors) for bribes and is more likely to know where thieves live than someone from a different part of the state or the country.

So while I prefer policing to be left to the local govts, in the mean time I will settle for state police. At least it's a first step in the right direction and i feel its much more effective to have a publicly voted state commisioner of police who is more accountable to his constituents than Abuja.

Local policing (or in this case, State policijng) is not perfect (name one system that is?) but it is definitely better than what we have now.
It's so annoying when you people complain that the police are corrupt, ineffecient and can't protect you from herders or cult members yet you still support the same pathetic arrangement and want different results. Abi didn't they say that the very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and again and expecting different results?

davidif:


Nope. You pay them a salary according to your budget.
When it comes to corruption, that's why you have a board that oversees the police dept and make the head of police elected by the people making them accountable to the people. You can't steal from people and expect them to vote for you at the ballot.

mmmmm... I see, that makes some sense. We are now left the the Nigerian factor.