andrewza:

if all you do is look at one stat you correct. but you failed to mention maneuverability, radar, number of hard points, ECW, ESM, ECM, types of weapons carried, the fact the gripen has data link and f7 dose not extra extra.

The gripen was built to beat the SU27 it will chew F7 up for a mid morning snack

agaugust:


nigeria too is in world market to buy a new and powerful modern jet fighter for air superiority, maybe JF-17 Thunder or SU-27/SU-30 Flanker. i hear J-10 Flying Leopard contract is put on hold due to some nigerian air force marshals asking for stealth jets J-20 from china, expensive to maintain.

we only see 6 Grippen jets fly a time , all the time in photos and videos. seems only 6 qualified pilots are available for grippen jet in south africa, the other junior pilots skills are not reliable i guess due to low flying hours and financial cost of maintenance a heavy burden for south african air force.

poor combat calculations by you.

anti-aircraft missiles are ALWAYS deadly no matter their age. google is your friend, read how 30 years old SAM missiles shoot down super modern USAF stealth jets and F-16 in combat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia


i have studied grippen jet limitations, i have researched to the unguided bombs south african jets have. Roland missile shoots down bombs dropped against it by british royal air force. the whole south african airforce will be totally shot down by nigerian army roland.

you cannot bomb nigerian army Roland SAM, it is a very mobile vehicle moving on road with speed 65km/h and it keeps moving away from your bombs falling from the sky far from high altitude. it also shoots down bombs before they reach the earth.

Roland SAM has never been hit by any aircraft, all jet fighters that tried to attack Roland SAM have been shot down by its deadly missiles. Roland is not outdated as you think, it was used in NATO air forces up till year 2005. Roland is the most expensive and most effective SAM buils in europe and america for battlefield defence, so America had to swalloe pride and buy Roland weapons for air defence just to match Germany and France.

Roland missiles switch from radar to electro-optical or to infra-red targeting at random, it will confuse enemy aircraft by switching off its radar to avoid detection and use electro-optical targeting against enemy aircraft. Roland is very expensive because it is very effective and multiple types of capability in combat.

Roland missile has shot down two British Royal air force TORNADO jets, one American A-10 Thunderbolt Je,t one British Royal Navy HARRIER, and other American jet super-sonic fighetrs, and also shot down two 1,000lb Bombs dropped from British jets bombers. nigerian army Roland anti-aircraft missiles are dealdy k.illers with excellent records in war.

Nigerian army has capacity to fire 300 Roland anti-aircraft missiles in 5 minutes to shoot down the whole of the south african air-force in 5 minutes. No African country can penetrate nigerian air defences, they will be shot down in 5 minutes. you did not FULLY study nigerian Roland missile systems, google is your friend.


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all4naija: Do you think F7 is lacking in armament? From air to air missiles,AIM-9, Magic R.550, PL-2, PL-5, PL-7, PL-8, PL-9 to 90mm rocket pod(which will be useful in air to air combat). The combat radius proves it maneuverability will be more useful than the heavy weight Su-24 grippen. The only armament I found to be worth it in Su-24 is the laser guided missiles and only 4 can be loaded.

So, it is a joke to think your fighter will beat and chew F7.

Mbuisi:

Is so amazing that all that hardware you have is failing to finish BH in five minutes. I wonder how will it now manage to stop over 75000 force with modern day artillery and technology.

sithwell: sithwell:

Here's a pointed question from a Nigerian, which shows once again why all of the Nigerian debaters military bravado is a waste of time. There are no visible benefits for ordinary Nigerians, who are busy fighting tribal and religious wars.
Daily treasonous wars. What use is a world beating military under those circumstances?

andrewza:

nigeria only ha pl9 AAM for the Air to air role.

the combat range of the f7 dose not prove maneuverability. it shows it is light. there is no su24 gripen it is jas39 gripen. it may be heaver but still has more power to weight ratio,and agilty not to mention better better radar, EW, ECM, ESM, data link extra. the gripen hsa 8 hard points where the f7 has 5 so please the f7 is no threat it a sad joke.

ckkris:
Yes. Majority of whites everywhere are kind. But the few Hitlers, Stalins, overwhelm everyone. Its black SA that lost freedom, and should celebrate. Freedom is the only thing that make Nigeria exciting. And its enough. Luxury without freedom is hell.

Dibiachukwu:
wrong! white people are all stalins and hitlers. the ones that act kind are just pretending. Dont be a learner!

sithwell: Here's another Nigerian, who is confident enough to give credit where credit is due. Mr "Superstar" himself, Peter Okoye.

"@PSQUARE_FANATIC: RT @PeterPsquare: In Cape Town again... Well organized. Naija where is our pride? God dey."

All4Naija would die before saying stuff like this. Of course, Nigerians like All4Naija told Mr Okoye that he should shut his mouth.

This is hardly self aggrandisement on my part. It's the words of Nigerians themselves. One wonders why these "innocent" Nigerians remain positive about SA notwithstanding their being killed, as All4Naija claims.

andrewza:

most of that money is for AU peacekeeping missions. Basically if africa could do it themselves they would not need western help

all4naija: The same can be said of Su-24. I added grippen to shorten what we are discussing about. Although , I am not an expertise in military hardware, there is nothing that be said about old Su-24 to beat and chew F7 that is more modern and has modern facilities. So, I doubt your argument.

How are you sure Nigeria only has pl-9 for the air to air combat? All the armaments are available but along with the fighter jets. Of what use are the jet fighters without armament?

Where are the Nigerian military hardware specialists to take on Andrewza?

ckkris:
I agree. There are thousands of white people that are citizens of Nigeria. Most of them were born here.

Mbuisi:

Wonder if they can fly those Jets well or just posing with those uniforms. Generally I told you that Nigerians are bad fliers, and there is nothing you can do about it. In Africa only SA and Ethiopia get the trophy in that respect, not even the Egyptians have the passion to fly planes like those aforementioned nations. In SA while I was still in Bloemfonten, I used to watch SA pilots in their Air show and they have an Airforce base there nearby, dude those pilots are magnificent in manoeuvring jets. Surely it would even be difficult to ground their planes with missiles.

ckkris:
If you come to Nigeria, you will be tempted to stay for good. The competition between the Igbos and Yorubas is what pushes Nigeria forward. And this competition should be sustained, under rule of law. The truth is that the lily -livered cannot stand it. No one hates anyone. Its all competition to loot, but not as much as the Republicans in the USA, or the trillion rogues in Japan.

agaugust:

you knowledge of military watrfare is close to zero level because you dont like to learn. you major in denying the truth to your own detriment, it keeps you backward.

no matter how well south african pilots fly grippen jets, the speed of anti aircraft missiles is often two time faster than jets aircraft, the pilots will soon say goodbye to their family for ever.

see your level of ignorance and lies below, you just make a ridicle of yourself many times on military matters.

south african air force pilots long list of air crashes


Augusta helicopter crash last month april 2013

Rooivalk helicopter gunship crash

Dakota maritime patrol aircraft crash

CASA airforce aircraft crash

...and many others crashed in recent crashes.

at least 3 south african airforce augusta helicopters crashed, 2 rooivalk helicopter gunships crashes one destroyed beyond repair and one blindly flew into electricity cables because the pilot was 'very very good'.

weblink source : http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/attrition

see photo of south african air force helicopter kissing the ground because the pilot is 'very good'

agaugust:

wrong information.

b.oko h.aram killed about 3,000 people in 4 years in nigeria, but south african murder rate in same 4 years is about 60,000 people killed.

google is your friend, crime and violence is 4 times worse in south africa than nigeria. south africa is a silent death trap.

south africa is the murder and R.ape headquarters of the world today with number one ranking, undisputed champion.

south african women below in photo below beg for stopping daily bloodshed of thousands in their country

Dibiachukwu:
listen. Nigerians are addicted to insulting themselves. watch night bor a thousand laughs and you will understand. To a Nigerian modagishu is better than abuja. It is not self hate. it is high expectations.

Mbuisi:

The enemy atleast respect their military installation and rather attacks innocent people on the streets. Now is different if the enemy attacks government buildings and even launch offensive on the homes and base of soldiers and set them ablaze. I will only tells you one thing that the enermy knows your strength and undermines you. Just the thought of attacking the military base should scare the enermy away and should never even think of committing the nasty attacks any near such installation. Any man who undermines the prowess of your family will even attack you at your home, I mean even if you are hiding in your bedroom will make sure that he will budge in and attack you before your family members.

Mbuisi:

You are lying to your teeth with desperation in your face. Just imagine 60 000 in four years. Do you forget that I am studying international relations and taught by most reputable professors. Desperation will make you miss facts.

zetdee:

Not true, Nigerians are known for bragging out alot, (Nigeria is the giant of Africa).

Mbuisi:
Oops!! There are no records you have such weapons. Aguagua must have raised your hopes, psedo-expectations. Sorry!!!

Mbuisi:

LOL!! How sure are we now that you are showcasing weapons of other countries. Desperation makes wonder. Stop posting military hardware of other countries.

andrewza:

SAAF uses the Paveway 3 and has a few other guided and stand off weapons in the pipeline. They never did that well being under the effect of a active jamming.

roland rand 8km(18km dedication range), paveway 3 range 18.5kn. gripen and hawke both carry LGBs that out range the roland. so they could sit there and turn them to dust well actively jamming there radar. basically they no threat for the current SAAF precision weapons, once some of the other newer or even older weapons come into play that have 60km range. then we just laugh at them.

they outdated and only a threat if you go low. normally they force aircraft high where other sam sytems or aircraft can threaten them. only nigeria just has the roland. if you fly above 10km you in zero danger

face it if the best you can come up with is the roland f7 combo we will just walk over you. and with only 16 system you either going to focus them at one point leaving everything els open to attack or spread them out making them less of a threat.

agaugust: .


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fly south african Grippen jets at their maximum speed of mach 2 and you damage their engines.

south african air force is NOT american air force, you have NO Grippen missiles to attack nigerian army Roland SAM defence. i checked the UN and SWEDEN arms log, sweden sold Grippen jets to you with only IRIS-T short range air to air missiles NO air to ground missile.

now for some practical air to ground combat information that is not easy to find

speed difference between roland and grippen is no issues in combat, grippen CANNOT launch effective air to ground assault at mach 2 speed, it will lose precision for ground targeting. no ground attack aircraft engages ground target at supersonic speed, you cannot fly mach 2 speed at medium or low altitude, your engine thrust noise alone betrays the coming of an enemy aircraft, and engine damage comes at mach 2 speed below high altitude. then at safe high altitude you cannot target a Roland SAM you cannot see among many other army armoured vehicles mix up around it, how do you pick out a Roland from beyond the clouds cover invisble ?

the faster your Grippen jet flies mach 2 speed, the more fuel it burns, the shorter time it can stay in the air, and already it has a short range and maybe just 10 minutes to stay in the air and try a ground attack, but Roland SAM will stay cool and happy on the ground for many months with no fear of fuel run out.

Germany and France used many years of war experience to build Roland SAM, the NATO war masters are not fools. America had to swallow its pride and buy Roland SAM. a super power country like america is not a fool.

all the american and british jets that Roland missile killed, why did they not attack Roland from high altitude with mach 2 speed ? they know it wont work that way.

no air force jet has every challenged a Roland SAM directly one on one and survive to tell the story.



google history of Roland SAM, it shoots down bombs in the sky before they reach ground target. nigeria will shoot down all south african air force jets and your paveway guided bombs of which you have only 50 pieces. nigeria has 300 Roland missiles and in war they will be covered in camouflage leaves and bushes with nets. south african Grippen jets wont know a Roland SAM among many army vehicles and decoy trucks until your pilot flies 3km close for eyeball sight and withing the 8km range of deadly Roland missile fire.

both nigerian airforce has jammers ans anti ECM electronics, we just published newspaper reports of nigerian new modern air defense electronic systems built by India.

Roland SAM k.illed the best NATO and American jets in direct combat. NATO used Roland till year 2005 long after Grippen jet was built in year 1998.

Nigerian air defence is too powerful for any African airforce to penetrate, only America, China, Britain, etc of that class super powers can penetrate nigerian air defence.

south african air force will be D.estroyed in 5 minutes by nigeria army Roland SAM missiles, and against enemy helicopters, the Shilka Mobile Anti-aircraft guns and many other radar guided Bofors guns are in nigerian army use for powerful air defence.

photo of nigerian army secondary air defence guns, ZSU-23-4 Shilka weapon



an army combat vehicle in camouflage, invisible to the aircraft from the real altitude

andrewza:

Why would we maintain mach2 flight?

We have paveway 3s LGB from aemerica. And Denel makes a wide range of air to ground wepaons. The paveway 3 has a range of 18km.


All that is moot since SAAF dose operate Paveway3 and denel makes LGBs. I mean if we wanted to(total war) we could fly denel's cheeta C and use the 120km long range stand of wepaons.

Has I siad it is part of a sytem. Niheria dose not have any thing to cover rest of the air space. Well other than F7's. All so how many aircraft did the roland fail to hit. I know of only 2 losses from a roland that are covirmend (no one knows what happed with F117.) A harrier aka a subsoinic low alltuide aircraft with no EW,ECM.ESM and a A10 that is the same. I could not find reports of F16's being lost to one.

Actually many roland sytems where destroyed from the air in iraq.

Actually I can not find that report. Any case it was a test. So not under combat condstions. And the fact many where lost from air attacks. I put my money on SAAF.

So the LGB is laser guided. And SAAF train to fly with out radar. Datta link means they can use ground based radar to watch the airs.


No it shot done a A10 in iraq and a harrir in the falklands. Not really the cutting edge.

Just point out you are wrong. And any one can pentriot nigeria. Just get a aircraft better than a F7(not hard since that is most aircraft) and stay above 20,000 metters.

Basicaly the nigerian air defense could stop a 1970 era air force not a moddern 21 centrary air force.


Anf the combat suit in the gripen is far newer than 1998.

agaugust:

post weblink sources to show us a war Kenya fought with half a million soldiers and airforce plus navy. post now my student...you need to finish school to learn wisdom....you just too small !

Nicco-C:


you cant expect the military of any nation to unleash its full power on an internal threat. the military isn't even expected to be involved in the boko haram issue. they're mainly intended for external threats

agaugust:

post weblink sources to show us a war Kenya fought with half a million soldiers and airforce plus navy. post now my student...you need to finish school to learn wisdom....you just too small !

agaugust:

south africa sold its old cheetah jets to Ecuador. any one remaining with you?

if south africa begins to bring new weapons to war with nigeria, well we have $50 billion dollars cash reserve to buy 100 SU-27 jets with mercenary pilots like we did against B.iafra in our civil war, and nigeria can also buy 100 long range S-300 SAM anti-aircraft missiles with range of 200km to shoot down any jet aircraft from long distance or high altitude.

the best any african air force can do is to enter nigeria and drop bombs any where not knowing if it is hitting any target, maybe just civilian city or agric farmland, no military effect possible.

i said that in air to ground combat it is a world known standard principle in military warfare that you CANNOT pick a ground target from high altitude, you need to come down to low altitude to be sure you are hitting a Roland SAM and not a decoy or an army ordinary transport vehicle.

your grippen jet pilots are not spirits, they CANNOT identify a Roland from the air high altitude, they have to come down and be exposed to the deadly missile they want to bomb.

i repeat, Roland shoots down bombs dropped against it before the come close to do harm.

Roland SAM shot down two Tornado jets of British Royal air force in Iraq, Tornado is NOT slow, it is the most powerful NATO jet in gulf war and with very high supersonic speed and very good electronic jamming devices, yet Roland killed it.

If american and european air force are shot down by Roland, south african airforce CANNOT survive it, you are not even rich enough to keep 26 Grippen jets flying today.

SAM missiles are k.illers. i gave you source weblink, Yugoslav 30 year old SAM 2 missile shot down a modern american Stealth 'invisible' jet fighter and the super fast F-16 jet. SAM missiles ability dont get limited by their age.

no record of any war history where a jet fighter challenged a Roland missile system one on one and the jet aircraft survived, NO, they all get K.illed by Roland deadly system.

i am putting my money on a tested Roland missile, not on an air force pilot that has not k.illed any ground based SAM by direct one on one combat challenge in its history.

even the people on nairaland who dont know military warfare can see the simple clear points i am making.

however, its a free world, you have your opinion, i have my own too. nigerian air space is a death zone for enemy aircraft.

all4naija: This is among the reason I find your comments very funny at times. We have argued this particular matters with scores of South Africans in this forum who told us SA was just a 19 years independent country. We argued and took the same side your took but we later found out we were wrong. The truth is that your independence was recognized around the world in 1994, the so called FREEDOM day. So, you better learn to accept it or remained adamant.