Donian007: @CraigB, Please do me a favour and address the comparism made in this post with Mexican Military fighting the drug cartels, Chechnya rebels vs Russian Army, China has deployed fighter jets to watch the Tibetans, etc. Please what do you think about these?

south africans have 33% brain...always remember

KidStranglehold: Again its clearly Egypt and South Africa.

Why is this still being debated?

it is still being debated because of new evidence and information like this....

http://www.moroccoboard.com/our-events/5680-f16


[img]http://cfile4.uf.tistory.com/original/143E0A3A4F52F6A8176553[/img]


[size=16pt]Morocco...New Power In Africa[/size]


you need to rank Seleka rebels ahead of south africa

dont even compare south africa with superior military forces of Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, and now Morocco just got new advanced F-16 jets in a $2.5 billion deal for 52 latest version of the jets, her navy just got this year 2013 very modern and powerful FREMM Multi-purpose Frigate from farnce superior to Valour frigates, her army is over 300,000 regular and reserves...you want to fight morocco with the tiny 40,000 man south african army ?

you south africans just like to deceive yourselves....you think only you have modern weapons

chrissy365:

you are in DRC alone and already overstretched. no wonder seleka mopped the grounds of CAR with your soldiers' blood
And last time i checked M23 is currently battling DRC army and your troops are sipping tea. their mandate is to engage the rebels in an offensive but they are on honeymoon in DRC and your are here bragging.

bow your head in shame and go watch ben10.

There is way more Seleka blood and guts in CAR.

The intervension brigade is not yes set up but has engaed in 2 fire fights with rebels.

@AGAUGUST.....SOUTH AFRICANS DO NOT HAVE TO DECEIVE THEMSELVES THEY ONLY HAVE TO PROVE IT THAT SOUTH AFRICA POSSESS INDEGENEOUS WEAPONS NOT AMERICAN OR CHINA.....PROVE ME OTHERWISE WHAT DOES MOROCCO, EGYPT, NIGERIA, LIBYA ETC PRODUCES AS THEIR HOME MADE TECHNOLOGY RIVALLING THE BEST IN THE WORLD.....COME ON WE ARE WAITING??

@AGAUGUST SHOW WHAT YOU HAVE...U HAVE FAILED SO MANY TIMES

SOUTH AFRICAN MADE WEAPONS

agaugust:

............................[size=16pt]best in africa part 3[/size]



the best main battle tank in africa is the T-90 MBT of the armies of Algeria and Uganda. algeria spent almost $1 billion to buy 305 units of this tank from russia.

it is surprising that some countries we think have the most modern weapons in africa are not having so much of the best.

The T90 biggest succes is it's publisty. It is not a bad tabk but the fact is that it is a T72 with a T80 fire control sytem.

7 Medical Battalion Group is the specialist Airborne Medical Battalion of the South African Military Health Service. The Battalion's main task is to render medical support to the South African Special and Airborne Forces.

Other specialties of the Battalion include High-angle rescue, CBRNE detection, verification and decontamination, Diving and Aviation medicine and other skills associated in supporting Special Forces.

Little is publicly known of this elite medical unit because of its involvement with the infamous Chemical and Biological Warfare program of the then South African Defense Force (SADF) during the 1980s and early 1990s as well as its involvement in South African Special Forces operations during the Angolan-Bush War. The battalion group's founder Commandant Wouter Basson led the research for the Chemical and Biological Warfare program.

Other tasks of the battalion include but are not limited to medical support to the South African Police Service Special Task Force and other elite units, the South African Air Force's Search and Rescue units and the Presidential Protection Unit.

The unit is on a general six-hour standby and is ready to deploy nationally and internationally, most recently in advisory and support roles during natural disasters.

The unit retains a limited Defensive Chemical Biological warfare (CBRNE) capability.

agaugust:


it is still being debated because of new evidence and information like this....

http://www.moroccoboard.com/our-events/5680-f16


[img]http://cfile4.uf.tistory.com/original/143E0A3A4F52F6A8176553[/img]


[size=16pt]Morocco...New Power In Africa[/size]


you need to rank Seleka rebels ahead of south africa

dont even compare south africa with superior military forces of Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, and now Morocco just got new advanced F-16 jets in a $2.5 billion deal for 52 latest version of the jets, her navy just got this year 2013 very modern and powerful FREMM Multi-purpose Frigate from farnce superior to Valour frigates, her army is over 300,000 regular and reserves...you want to fight morocco with the tiny 40,000 man south african army ?

you south africans just like to deceive yourselves....you think only you have modern weapons

The cheat C was at the same level of the F16 and F15 and the gripen is 50% cheaper to run and maintain it can all so use quike to set up Foward airbases.

I would take a valour over a FREM.

Yes and there budget per man is a lot lower.

now the out of service CHEETAH

cheetah

The head of Roskosmos, Russia’s civilian space agency, seems to have accidentally exposed a hitherto unknown South African military space project.

Responding to a question from a correspondent for Russia’s ITAR-TASS news agency regarding Russia’s failure to launch South Africa’s civilian Sumbandila satellite, Anatoly Perminov stated that “unfortunately, the Russian Defence Ministry refused to launch this satellite, as the South African Defence Ministry for its turn refused to use our satellite.

The two countries’ defence ministries decided to go their own way, and we did not interfere in these affairs.

Today there is no opportunity for the launch.” – Sumbandila was meant to have been launched late last year from a Russian submarine; it would have been sent in a special capsule to an integration facility at the Russian Naval Base at Murmansk in northern Russia; the Russian Navy would then have fitted the capsule and the satellite to a Shtil 2.1 rocket, taken the submarine to sea, and launched the rocket.

The key phrase is “the South African Defence Ministry ... refused to use our satellite.” What could this mean?

Firstly, it must be pointed out that the South African civilian satellite programme is run by the Department of Science and Technology (DST), not the Department of Defence. So it must be a reference to a specifically military space or space-related programme on the part of South Africa, separate from that of the DST.

Secondly, refusing to launch the South African satellite is a major decision that could only be made at high-level in the ministry; it breaks a Russian obligation to South Africa, and deeply embarrasses Roskosmos. It could even damage Russia’s reputation in the increasingly competitive international space launch market.

So the Russian Ministry of Defence must have been very annoyed with its South African counterpart. That, in turn, signals that the proposed programme, whatever it was, was a major one. This, further, suggests that it was not a mere matter of South Africa using an existing Russian military satellite, leasing capacity or buying imagery.

Rather, these scanty clues point to something on the scale of actually acquiring a military satellite from Russia – or, more precisely, seriously considering such an acquisition, including negotiations with the Russians (how else would Moscow know about project?), only to terminate the talks or cancel any agreement or deal, and doing so in a manner, or for a reason, which angered the Russian Defence Ministry.

Perminov’s phrase “the two countries’ defence ministries decided to go their own way,” signals that the South African programme was not cancelled, but rather that this country has chosen to order the space vehicle from a third country, rejecting, for whatever reason, the Russian technology.

Assuming these deductions are correct, what kind of satellite could the South African Department of Defence be seeking? Military forces employ two types of satellite – communications, and reconaissance (popularly called spy satellites), with the latter subdivided into a number of categories, notably imagery, radar, and electronics.

The South African National Defence Force (SANDF) can certainly justify either a communciations satellite or an imagery satellite. This is because of its increasingly extensive peacekeeping deployments in decidedly dangerous and remote areas of Africa.

The communications systems for UN forces can be very rudimentary and inadequate, and a national military communications satellite would give South Africa an independent and very secure communications link with troops deployed in places like Darfur. Similarly, possession of an imagery reconaissance satellite would give this country an independent source of very high resolution pictures of crisis areas and situations.

This would allow Pretoria to make critically important decisions (such as whether to join or withdraw from a UN force, or reinforce troops already deployed, or what way to vote in an UN debate) on the basis of some knowledge of what was really happening, instead of being dependent on the assertions and arguments of other countries.

It should be noted that reconaissance satellite technology is jealously guarded. It would have been a great concession to South Africa if Russia had been willing to grant this country access to even part of the latter’s capabilities in this sphere. To turn down such an offer would be a rebuff indeed.

The strength of the Russian Defence Ministry’s reaction to South Africa’s decision not to use a Russian satellite thus suggests that Pretoria is seeking to acquire a reconaissance satellite. And there are less than a handful of countries with the capability to build such a craft. Apart from Russia and the US – which would not sell a reconaissance satellite to anyone – it is basically just France and Israel.

All this, by the way, does not mean that Russia, the country, will not launch Sumbandila. Roskosmos has its own rockets and launch facilities, and is a civilian agency. Scheduling and planned orbit permitting, it could still put the South African satellite in space.

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=Has+a+Russian+official+unintentionally+exposed+a+secret+SA+space+programme%3F+&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engineeringnews.co.za%2Farticle%2Fhas-a-russian-official-unintentionally-exposed-a-secret-sa-space-programme-2008-02-08&ei=O_3wUfL2BMiThgfVoYDYDA&usg=AFQjCNHKaZtEEefie5AaunSiWn_D8CXqkg&bvm=bv.49784469,d.ZG4

Donian007: @CraigB, Please do me a favour and address the comparism made in this post with Mexican Military fighting the drug cartels, Chechnya rebels vs Russian Army, China has deployed fighter jets to watch the Tibetans, etc. Please what do you think about these?

I've been begging them to post achievement of SANDF and they've been avoiding my question since.
does it mean SANDF have never achieved anything good on this continent than to pose in front of shiny weapons?

Thiza: @AGAUGUST SHOW WHAT YOU HAVE...U HAVE FAILED SO MANY TIMES

my friend sharap. what have you achieved with the weapons you've been building.
Nigerian military has achieved a lot in africa with their imported weapons than you that build your own. go and teach your army how to fight with those weapons before bragging

am still waiting for my response please. achievements

KidStranglehold: Again its clearly Egypt and South Africa.

Why is this still being debated?

You are right about Egypt. But SA military lately has become something of a joke. Sending 200 men with no air support to "no man's land" (CAR) and expecting them to defeat the Seleka rebels is what no sane military would do.

@thiza do you work with denel?

SOUTH AFRICAN AIRFORCE'S AUGUSTA-109 HELICOPTERS GROUNDED, JOINS GRIPENS IN STORAGE FREEZER. www.african-defense.com/?p=2794 AFRIKAAN'S DAILY BEELD REPORTS: www.beeld.com/nuus/2013-07-24-ons-helis-staan ALSO: www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1227/saaf-crisis-caused-by-underfunding DefenceWeb, July 24, 9:58am QUOTE: Not one of SA Airforce's(SAAF) 18 Augusta A109 helicopters is currently flying because there are no funds to use them operationally, the Africaans daily Beeld roports. QUOTES FURTHER: Military analyst Helmoed-Romer Heitman was scathing in his reponse. "The Air Force, as with the entire SANDF is suffering as a result of government's inability to decide what it wants from its military. "An air force without fighters is a dead duck in the African military context. A defence force without helicopters and transport aircrafts is a dinosaur in a swamp. An army without attack and transport helicopters is a lame duck and a navy without maritime helicopters and maritime patrol aircraft is blind, " was how the Defence Review Committee member reacted to the A-109 grounding coupled with other current equipment shortcoings in the SANDF. "UNQOUTE"

Thiza: @AGAUGUST.....SOUTH AFRICANS DO NOT HAVE TO DECEIVE THEMSELVES THEY ONLY HAVE TO PROVE IT THAT SOUTH AFRICA POSSESS INDEGENEOUS WEAPONS NOT AMERICAN OR CHINA.....PROVE ME OTHERWISE WHAT DOES MOROCCO, EGYPT, NIGERIA, LIBYA ETC PRODUCES AS THEIR HOME MADE TECHNOLOGY RIVALLING THE BEST IN THE WORLD.....COME ON WE ARE WAITING??

NOTHING!! ONLY ONE AND THE ONLY MZANSI.

KidStranglehold: Again its clearly Egypt and South Africa.

Why is this still being debated?

Clearly.

Tell that to the jealousy mongers.

sambos994:

You are right about Egypt. But SA military lately has become something of a joke. Sending 200 men with no air support to "no man's land" (CAR) and expecting them to defeat the Seleka rebels is what no sane military would do.

You've just sold the whole Naai-gerian argument for two pence.

Clearly you admit that 200 men could not have been expected to defeat the rebels. AndrewZA will say "I told you so." Thank you for that.

If you knew anything about why the SANDF was in CAR you'd know that your comment is enough to close the thread. The SANDF's mission in CAR was to train Bozize's men. Not to defeat rebels.

Your just killed everything Naai-gerians have been trying to say. That we killed hundreds of rebels is then awesome, given your comment, don't you think? Naai-gerian jealousy causes them to spin and kill their own arguments

Even your fake researcher still struggles to argue with a straight face that Naai-geria ranks above SA. He knows he'd be laughed at and dismissed. You are the joke.

agaugust:

south africans have 33% brain...always remember

Says a 40+ year old father of children who's best hope of being published as a researcher is Naaira-land. A fake MBA who comes from a country that doesn't publish its military magazine electronically format - in 2013.

A country the government website of which was useless up until a few months ago. The same government website that was hacked by a smalltime hacker recently

Funny how the "33%- brain" South Africans have built a country far better than Naai-geria.

Donian007: @CraigB, Please do me a favour and address the comparism made in this post with Mexican Military fighting the drug cartels, Chechnya rebels vs Russian Army, China has deployed fighter jets to watch the Tibetans, etc. Please what do you think about these?

As I've come to expect from Clover-Danone and the rest of the Naai-gerians: lots of idi*tic questions asked with all the seriousness of respectable enquiry

Not too long ago, we challenged you on your president's having hijacked your military colours. We said that you know nothing about being a democracy. You cried: "Oh! We are Naai-geria! We do it our own way."

We left you alone to live in your fo*ol's paradise.

We then told you about our military training academies and argued that the US have a similar setup. You cried: "Oh, just because the US does it like you doesn't make your academies good."

We left you alone there, as well - so you could bake in the heat of your imbec*ile ways.

Now lo and behold - you want to be compared to other countries?! All of a sudden!

Ok, spineless invertebrates, let's see:

Which of the countries that you've listed have a healthy democracy? Feel free to refer to the democracy index.

Democracy and separation of powers - you wouldn't know anything about that. You're from the ghetto that's Naai-geria.

Mexico has a long history of using their military internally. As it turns out, they suffer the same ills that Naai-gerians suffer - useless police and useless special forces.

Here: read it and weep. You've just buttressed my argument. And don't be shy to look at what's being said about the Mexican constitution.

-----> http://blog.chron.com/bakerblog/2013/06/why-mexicos-military-is-fighting-the-countrys-drug-war/

Oh! How about this?

"As long as the Mexican government is unable to strengthen the police and the courts and protect them against the powerful ability of organized crime to corrupt or intimidate, it will continue to rely on its armed forces. The military has been and will continue to be deployed by necessity, regardless of the campaign promises or rhetoric of the sitting president. The Peña administration may aggressively attempt to control information about the use of the military; it may de-emphasize the use of the military in its public statements. But the Peña administration, like the Calderón administration before it, does not have an alternative."

Sounds like Naai-geria, doesn't it? The exact same argument made by your very Naai-gerian Daily Trust

The people of Tibet view China's presence as an occupation. The people of Chechnya view Russia's presence as an occupation.

On the democracy index, both China and Russia are authoritarian or thereabouts.

Is this what the already useless Naai-geria aspires to?

You people have a strange way of showing your intelligence.

Hezron Lorraine: Chris u are one hell of a sarcastic dude.u know how to drop the lines.
Fellow nigerians,thank you,u are all doing well,well done also to the south africans,u guys also are good at promoting your military though they are better than fashion models in Milan when it comes to taking pictures..
CraigB,na u act die-hard,u don't want to give up yet,anyways u are wanted in ward B,left wing of National hospital for drug collection.

Me I done tire for this thread wey no one end.We keep saying the same thing over and over again
with different points.


Jokes apart,
Thumbs up everybody who has made vital contributions on this thread,u all are wonderful.when real war comes we'll know whose da boss.

Well done bros ! You did a good job during the time you were in this forum. True son of Naija.

I wish you the best of luck...stick close to God and your way will be blessed.

Gun salute !!! Boom Boom Boom !!!

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CraigB:

Says a 40+ year old father of children who's best hope of being published as a researcher is Naaira-land. A fake MBA who comes from a country that doesn't publish its military magazine electronically format - in 2013.

A country the government website of which was useless up until a few months ago. The same government website that was hacked by a smalltime hacker recently

Funny how the "33%- brain" South Africans have built a country far better than Naai-geria.

WOOW! So this got deep into you so much that you got so emotional, even took it personal, HMMM! 33% BRAINS! This is SERIOUS! And please don't forget your Augusta A-109 helics have joined your Grippens at the "STORAGE FREEZER GROUNDUATION" party! MY CONDOLENCE! #weeps# #then cleans eyes# HMM! SMH!

Msauza:

NOTHING!! ONLY ONE AND THE ONLY MZANSI.

mr one and only mzansi.
please post your achievements na. how long do i have to beg for it.

kenya and Uganda are fast outgrowing you with imported second hand weapons and you are here hailing mzansi.

do you think US, Britain, Israel, France, Russia, China, NIGERRIA all have their reputations by just building weapons alone? France plans to buy reaper drones from US, does that mean france's military is incapable.

it's how you've used your weapons that matter not how you build it. Egypt, Nigeria and Algeria import most of their weapons but will whoop your military to dust.

give us SANDF achievements so we can compare but don't stop posting the weapons sha . me likeey

CraigB:

As I've come to expect from Clover-Danone and the rest of the Naai-gerians: lots of idi*tic questions asked with all the seriousness of respectable enquiry

Not too long ago, we challenged you on your president's having hijacked your military colours. We said that you know nothing about being a democracy. You cried: "Oh! We are Naai-geria! We do it our own way."

We left you alone to live in your fo*ol's paradise.

We then told you about our military training academies and argued that the US have a similar setup. You cried: "Oh, just because the US does it like you doesn't make your academies good."

We left you alone there, as well - so you could bake in the heat of your imbec*ile ways.

Now lo and behold - you want to be compared to other countries?! All of a sudden!

Ok, spineless invertebrates, let's see:

Which of the countries that you've listed have a healthy democracy? Feel free to refer to the democracy index.

Democracy and separation of powers - you wouldn't know anything about that. You're from the ghetto that's Naai-geria.

Mexico has a long history of using their military internally. As it turns out, they suffer the same ills that Naai-gerians suffer - useless police and useless special forces.

Here: read it and weep. You've just buttressed my argument. And don't be shy to look at what's being said about the Mexican constitution.

-----> http://blog.chron.com/bakerblog/2013/06/why-mexicos-military-is-fighting-the-countrys-drug-war/

Oh! How about this?

"As long as the Mexican government is unable to strengthen the police and the courts and protect them against the powerful ability of organized crime to corrupt or intimidate, it will continue to rely on its armed forces. The military has been and will continue to be deployed by necessity, regardless of the campaign promises or rhetoric of the sitting president. The Peña administration may aggressively attempt to control information about the use of the military; it may de-emphasize the use of the military in its public statements. But the Peña administration, like the Calderón administration before it, does not have an alternative."

Sounds like Naai-geria, doesn't it? The exact same argument made by your very Naai-gerian Daily Trust

The people of Tibet view China's presence as an occupation. The people of Chechnya view Russia's presence as an occupation.

On the democracy index, both China and Russia are authoritarian or thereabouts.

Is this what the already useless Naai-geria aspires to?

You people have a strange way of showing your intelligence.

mr monkey brain. you are the one that has just shown how criminalization has rocked the brains of SMELL AFRICANS. brainless boy that is so desperate to deliver emptiness of his fiddle mind.

why are you talking about democracy when the argument was clearly about police not capable of doing military duty? are you really this S.TUPID(lacking intelligence or common sense)

why did you skip Britain that fought IRA with troops and special forces instead of police, since it was an internal crisis?
or US deploy national guards to assist thousands of the best police tactical team in the world (SWAT) just to fight two terrorists?
are these countries not democracies to you.

what about SA that deployed troops just to protect animals and support your police just to fight marikana protesters? since your special task force team were busy facebooking.

is SA not a democracy?

clearly the word S.TUPID which means "lacking intelligence or common sense" suits your way of reasoning.

so you see that am not insulting you but calling you what you are. I.DIOT

why dont you guys check this out? https://www.nairaland.com/1372449/these-continents-go-war-win

chrissy365:

I've been begging them to post achievement of SANDF and they've been avoiding my question since.
does it mean SANDF have never achieved anything good on this continent than to pose in front of shiny weapons?

hahaha !!!

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