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Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Nobody: 9:03pm On Oct 08, 2013
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by rusep: 9:52pm On Oct 08, 2013
Becouse he dies living behind only 2 pairs of cloths without a house of his own.

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by IGBOSON1: 10:06pm On Oct 08, 2013
He doesn't have that 'Fulani' look! I wonder why?
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Gayigaskia(m): 10:17pm On Oct 08, 2013
Because he stood up for his people, without him the North would have been much more poor.
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Nobody: 10:25pm On Oct 08, 2013
Gayigaskia: Because he stood up for his people, without him the North would have been much more poor.

was there any need to fight for this through xenoophobia?

should such attitudes and their agents still be celebrated in 2013 Nigeria? if Unity is truly the ultimate goal?
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Gayigaskia(m): 10:47pm On Oct 08, 2013
mikeansy:

was there any need to fight for this through xenoophobia?

should such attitudes and their agents still be celebrated in 2013 Nigeria? if Unity is truly the ultimate goal?

Its not Xenophobia, somebody has to stand for the less educated or they will be marginalized . that was simply what he did because the north was left with less infrastructures for everything after the Independence. you can argue that the North is still behind in those terms,but i it would have been worst without the existence of the Sardauna.

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Nobody: 12:10am On Oct 09, 2013

xen·o·pho·bi·a
[zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-] Show IPA

noun
an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

preference for non-Nigerians over Nigerians just to pursue a tribalist agenda is xenophobia. Saudana used the words Northernization agenda.

He could have educated his own people and given them opportunities. Denying other Nigerians in Nigeria opportunities in order to protect the interest of a tribe just to feed an obsession against another tribe is xenophobia and just can not be justified
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by lertee(f): 12:14am On Oct 09, 2013
No thanks to the book “there was a country:a personal history of biafra” undecided
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by naijaking1: 1:36am On Oct 09, 2013
One word describes the man, impunity.
A house called Nigeria, whose foundation was laid by myopic, bigoted, and tribalistic fathers like Ahmadu Bello will ever remain shaky, and likely to fall.

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Sloan: 2:02am On Oct 09, 2013
Some people are still crying because the Sadauna pre-empted the move of the promulgators of the useless decree 34 which would see their tribesmen go to the north and take over their jobs! Hahaha...go and take the jobs now! The man is doing the job that his people chose him to do and guess who is ranting?? One guess out of the ~300 tribes in Nigeria and you will not be wrong!

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by MayorofLagos(m): 3:04am On Oct 09, 2013
The root of the issue is Ibo migration, period.

I dont think Sardauna will go to Iboland and question their presence on their own land the way he questioned it on his land.

Ibo migration is a chronic problem. Land management and resourcefullness is important to support life. If a land is rich and resourceful people will stay on it for their means. People leave to seek sustenance elsewhere only when their own land is diminished or insufficient for their needs. Ibos have been on a mass exodus historically from as far back and soon after the completion of amalgamation of North/South. They went North to resettle as farmers. The migration contiues even till today and on varied grounds.

It can be argued that the mass suffering and starvation in the civil war had a lot to do with population density, than with food policy.

The return and convergence of millions of Ibos back on a land with diminished returns resulted in the outcome which had forced those people to abandon the land to start with.

Two issues need to studied:
1. The chronic Ibo migration
2. How to manage the land for population support and sustenance.

Stop studying Sardauna and Awo, stop blaming others, focus inward and start formulating a strategy to be self sufficient on your own land.

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Sloan: 3:14am On Oct 09, 2013
How can someone to to another man's house to question him about his house and affairs? LWKMD! Bello is doing the job he is there to do and guess what? It is the stranger visitor who is complaining? Well until Hausas go to Iboland to question the way ibo leaders are running their land and affairs, ibos have no right to go and question another man's affairs in his own house. If they don't want to hire any ibos, is it that there is no job in your land that it is the one in Kank or Kaduna that you must do? Call them farmers, backwards, etc but it is clear they know what they want and even Sadaunna speaks better English than almost all of you even Balewa! Yes it is not by power of oration, but if they don't want you then, they don't want you - simple!

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by naijaking1: 4:33am On Oct 09, 2013
Mayor_of_Lagos: The root of the issue is Ibo migration, period.

I dont think Sardauna will go to Iboland and question their presence on their own land the way he questioned it on his land.

Ibo migration is a chronic problem. Land management and resourcefullness is important to support life. If a land is rich and resourceful people will stay on it for their means. People leave to seek sustenance elsewhere only when their own land is diminished or insufficient for their needs. Ibos have been on a mass exodus historically from as far back and soon after the completion of amalgamation of North/South. They went North to resettle as farmers. The migration contiues even till today and on varied grounds.

It can be argued that the mass suffering and starvation in the civil war had a lot to do with population density, than with food policy.

The return and convergence of millions of Ibos back on a land with diminished returns resulted in the outcome which had forced those people to abandon the land to start with.

Two issues need to studied:
1. The chronic Ibo migration
2. How to manage the land for population support and sustenance.

Stop studying Sardauna and Awo, stop blaming others, focus inward and start formulating a strategy to be self sufficient on your own land.

Sloan: How can someone to to another man's house to question him about his house and affairs? LWKMD! Bello is doing the job he is there to do and guess what? It is the stranger visitor who is complaining? Well until Hausas go to Iboland to question the way ibo leaders are running their land and affairs, ibos have no right to go and question another man's affairs in his own house. If they don't want to hire any ibos, is it that there is no job in your land that it is the one in Kank or Kaduna that you must do? Call them farmers, backwards, etc but it is clear they know what they want and even Sadaunna speaks better English than almost all of you even Balewa! Yes it is not by power of oration, but if they don't want you then, they don't want you - simple!

You two are pitifull!
What a logic in 2013.
Igbos never complained about marginalization in Chad or Tunisia, if Nigeria is the so-called one country, why do you appropriate money produced from Igboland and other southern states, and yet you hate Igbos to the extent that you'll prefer to hire "pure Egyptian muslims" to your fellow country men using funds derived from Igboland?
When Igbos wanted separation, Sarduana's followers like you two said 'no'..... and here you're expounding some illiterate logic about population, demand, and supply? You can't have it both ways.
BTW, thanks to Igbos the TIVs, Idoma, and Nupes who had suffered immeasurable at the hands of Sarduana are breathing fresh air today. It used to be that an Idoma man can't get a job in the north unles he is fluent in Hausa, a law enacted by the myopic Sarduana.
Remember when your crazy Sarduana ordered the Igbo commander at Jos(col. Anuforo) to shot protesting Tiv people at sight? The guy said no. Sarduana was a monster, and his blind supporters who don't know history are even bigger monsters.

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Nobody: 5:11am On Oct 09, 2013
mikeansy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y1Zpk4DrlA

His politics was anti-Nigeria. He was interested only in his own so called northern Nigeria. But he was a good man whose apprehension of other Nigerians from the south drove him to making very hateful comments capable of misdirecting a whole generation of men. His politics and philosophy is the rain that started beating his people and they knew it not and will also never know where their body will get dried.
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by naijaking1: 5:15am On Oct 09, 2013
Can you imagine Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchil of Charles de Gaul speaking about a section of his own country like this

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by MayorofLagos(m): 5:32am On Oct 09, 2013
jomonic:

His politics was anti-Nigeria. He was interested only in his own so called northern Nigeria. But he was a good man whose apprehension of other Nigerians from the south drove him to making very hateful comments capable of misdirecting a whole generation of men. His politics and philosophy is the rain that started beating his people and they knew it not and will also never know where their body will get dried.

He was the leader of a ethnic region, rightfully so, his first and second priority should be his people. I wonder why Ibos have such deep difficulty understanding political structures and heirarchy of society. This area of responsibility and sphere of influence was not strange to Sardauna, Awo or Akintola...each of them knew what a leader of a peoole is called to do, why is ibo unintelligent and illiterate about social order and heirarchy?

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by MayorofLagos(m): 5:34am On Oct 09, 2013
naijaking1: Can you imagine Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchil of Charles de Gaul speaking about a section of his own country like this

Shut up!! They did!

Why doesnt Churchill allow the French to become land barons in England?

Why didnt Lincoln allow the Mexicans to own California?

Ode!

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by revolt(m): 6:10am On Oct 09, 2013
Mayor_of_Lagos:

Shut up!! They did!

Why doesnt Churchill allow the French to become land barons in England?

Why didnt Lincoln allow the Mexicans to own California?

Ode!
plS use yur brain! They were from diffrnt countries and moreover the union still incorporated them(US). Hw can u shout one Nigeria, hold on to federal power( as he stated arrogantly in 1964 tht he will return the present prime minister) and preach xenophobia? He shouldn't hve been involved in federal politics then. Look wht he did to the north! They hvnt seen a war n yet the east is miles ahead. Only retrogressives protect their land from a viable productive immigrant populace( since were immg in the same. Country). Wen its fed cake sharn we bcom 1 naija. The oil from the immgrnts isn't treated as such. Oya let's control our resources dem say no

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Nobody: 6:24am On Oct 09, 2013
Whatever one might say, Bello was a regional leader and his region was his priority.
This is the problem with Nigeria; the so-called founding fathers of the country were tribal lords, not statesmen. This is why there is no Nigerian today. We are all ethnic or tribal entities yoked together by a marriage of administrative convenience.
I hold the opinion that the north would have fared better and be at per with the rest of the country, if Mallam Aminu Kano were their leader, instead of Sarduana.
Aminu fought for an egalitarian society, Sarduana believed in preserving the old order. This is why the Sarduana clashed, most times, with Balewa; a progressive too.
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by MayorofLagos(m): 6:32am On Oct 09, 2013
revolt: plS use yur brain! They were from diffrnt countries and moreover the union still incorporated them(US). Hw can u shout one Nigeria, hold on to federal power( as he stated arrogantly in 1964 tht he will return the present prime minister) and preach xenophobia? He shouldn't hve been involved in federal politics then. Look wht he did to the north! They hvnt seen a war n yet the east is miles ahead. Only retrogressives protect their land from a viable productive immigrant populace( since were immg in the same. Country). Wen its fed cake sharn we bcom 1 naija. The oil from the immgrnts isn't treated as such. Oya let's control our resources dem say no

Are you aware that you had independence in Eastern Region in 1957?

Why is an independent Eastern Region having problem developing its land and citizens?

Why should it be the job of Sardauna, the Northern Premier to develop Ibos?

Why the bitterness that Sardauna blocked you from taking opportunities reserved for his people?

Why didn't Okpara develop opportunities at home, within the enclave of independent Eastern Region?

Why are you not mad and bitter at Okpara whose laxity led you to seek opportunity with Sardauna?


While Awo/Akintola and Sardauna were busy developing gheir people and their land, Okpara was busy grooming coup plotters and assassins who will go exterminate leadership in other lands and prepare grounds for Ibos to take over other people properties..but it backfired! Did it not?

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by passion007: 9:17am On Oct 09, 2013
Those who defend sectional leadership know nothing about nationhood. The sectional leaders themselves are guilty of same. Nigeria did not become a Nation so that each people will sit in their zone, complacent. Apparently, Igbos have romantic, even fanatical ideas about one Nigeria which lures them to seek shelter in even the remotest crevices.
. A generation ago, Akintola whipped up anti-Igbo sentiments to win votes. Today, Femi Kayode insists, paraphrased, "I'm Yoruba first, then Nigerian". The Northern Assembly found nothing better to discuss than how to dispossess Igbo hotel owners, how to stop selling land to Igbos, the Northernization decree and suchlike. Seeing as that tenet constantly plays out in real life, one wonders whose ideal of the Nigerian nation seems quirky.
Remove that clause that grants me admittance into your territory (as the self acclaimed Mayor of Lagos is currently suggesting), and we might as well be different nations.

So how can the North and West purge their land of Igbos whilst remaining one indissoluble nation with them?

That's a million dollar question.
@Mayor of Lagos: the day you find an answer is the day I sell you my Nigerian citizenship for a kobo!

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by MayorofLagos(m): 9:30am On Oct 09, 2013
^^^
The answer to your quest is simple. Nigeria did not get independence so Ibos can become a menace in the societies of West and North.

Nigeria got independence so each region can keep and maintain its autonomy under a Head of Regional Government.

West kept its regional mandate, so did North. Where is East's mandate? You all wasted it away in Biafran rebellion.

Leave other people alone and stop blaming them for the gross political failures of your regional leaders.

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by IBnatty(m): 9:47am On Oct 09, 2013
Mayor_of_Lagos:

Shut up!! They did!

Why doesnt Churchill allow the French to become land barons in England?

Why didnt Lincoln allow the Mexicans to own California?

Ode!

Let be the first person to tell you the honest truth.. You lack understanding. Mexicans and Americans are not of the same nationality neither are the French and the English. Go and read that comment again.
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by MayorofLagos(m): 10:01am On Oct 09, 2013
IBnatty:

Let be the first person to tell you the honest truth.. You lack understanding. Mexicans and Americans are not of the same nationality neither are the French and the English. Go and read that comment again.

Oh really? Well, thank you sir.

Is Iboland and Hausaland the same country?

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Nobody: 10:21am On Oct 09, 2013
Mayor_of_Lagos:

Oh really? Well, thank you sir.

Is Iboland and Hausaland the same country?

LOL

please register for Civics in the nearest primary school close to you

Notice I did not suggest Geography because that may just be too complicated for you
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by Nobody: 10:28am On Oct 09, 2013
You can not control migration within a Sovereign Nation. This is against all human right and international laws. I am pretty sure Igbos will gladly be willing to be subjected to visa control in lagos or Kano if Nigeria were to split. However while this country remains ONE and our constitution guarantees the rights of all Nigerians to live anywhere and pursue their dreams then we have no choice. Ndigbo will continue to have the right to live in Lagos or Kano and no amount of xenophobia should change this fact.

It worries me that in 2013 Nigeria some people want to either justify or explain this hate speech by Ahmadu Bello, very troubling. These kind of people are the very reason why our country is a mess and they should never be celebrated.

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by hercules07: 10:29am On Oct 09, 2013
The only problem I had was with him saying he would employ expatriates before Nigerians, the other parts of the interview were quite okay.
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by hercules07: 10:36am On Oct 09, 2013
mikeansy: You can not control migration within a Sovereign Nation. This is against all human right and international laws. I am pretty sure Igbos will gladly be willing to be subjected to visa control in lagos or Kano if Nigeria were to split. However while this country remains ONE and our constitution guarantees the rights of all Nigerians to live anywhere and pursue their dreams then we have no choice. Ndigbo will continue to have the right to live in Lagos or Kano and no amount of xenophobia should change this fact.

It worries me that in 2013 Nigeria some people want to either justify or explain this hate speech by Ahmadu Bello, very troubling. These kind of people are the very reason why our country is a mess and they should never be celebrated.

Your leaders do not help matters by some of their utterances, the Chinua Achebe book and the no man's land of Orji Uzor Kalu comes to mind. Nigerians have the right to live and aspire to higher dreams everywhere in the country, but, we also need to know and respect the local customs of wherever we find ourselves.

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by MayorofLagos(m): 10:36am On Oct 09, 2013
mikeansy:

LOL

please register for Civics in the nearest primary school close to you

Notice I did not suggest Geography because that may just be too complicated for you

I dont need it. I have a much better mastery of civic study and public administration than you do. If you doubt me answer my last question on whether Iboland and Hausaland are same country. This is the foolery that has continued to plague you guys since the 50s, beginning with Zik, and it hasnt ceased.

Iboland and Hausaland is not the same country, they are colocated in a geographical space named Nigeria. Each land had its own autonomy and self governance, in other words you have real and concrete countries within an artificial and political boundaries. You fools jumped the gun and started calling Hausaland your country.

You provoked Sardauna to talk about you like that. Uptill today you are yet to differentiate between a country and a administrative region and your politics suffer continously due to this lack of knowledge.

If anyone need civic lessons it will be you. Nigeria is not a land, it doesnt have culture, it has no customs, it has no ancestry, no cults or rituals, and yet you grip onto it as your political savior.

I shake my head.. cheesy

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Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by hercules07: 10:42am On Oct 09, 2013
Mayor_of_Lagos:

I dont need it. I have a much better mastery of civic study and public administration than you do. If you doubt me answer my last question on whether Iboland and Hausaland are same country. This is the foolery that has continued to plague you guys since the 50s, beginning with Zik, and it hasnt ceased.

Iboland and Hausaland is not the same country, they are colocated in a geographical space named Nigeria. Each land had its own autonomy and self governance, in other words you have real and concrete countries within an artificial and political boundaries. You fools jumped the gun and started calling Hausaland your country.

You provoked Sardauna to talk about you like that. Uptill today you are yet to differentiate between a country and a administrative region and your politics suffer continously due to this lack of knowledge.

If anyone need civic lessons it will be you. Nigeria is not a land, it doesnt have culture, it has no customs, it has no ancestry, no cults or rituals, and yet you grip onto it as your political savior.

I shake my head.. cheesy

Ahmadu Bello was wrong to put expatriates before Nigerians, he could have given them short term contracts until Northerners could take over their functions.
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by wesley80(m): 10:49am On Oct 09, 2013
The irony of it all is that the one man that made the unity of Nigeria his personal mantra and eschewed all forms of tribalism and sectionalization (Zik) has his memory sneered at and is seen as a villain and sellout by his own people yet you think you guys have any moral standing to question the ethnocentricity of anyone that fought for his tribe and 'earned' the selfish respect of his people? You lot desperately need to get a life!
Re: Why Is Ahmadu Bello Still Held In High Esteem As Moral Compass Of Socieity? by simpleseyi: 4:11pm On Oct 09, 2013
Why do Ibos hate every non-Ibos? You hate Yorubas, you hate Hausas, you have Fulanis, you hate Kanuris, you hate Tivs, you hate Junkuns, you hate Itshekiris, you hate Irhobos, you hate Ikweres. Whom do you love apart from your fellow Nigerian Isrealites and Money?

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