CrystalTiger:
Wouldn't surprise me if they try to make it a law..

I am not sure if people have been manipulating this man's quotes because it seems he has been saying a lot of very stupid things pertaining to corruption recently.

BlueRayDick:


U are conflating issues on this one.

On the Supreme Court ruling on female child inheritance , once the Supreme Court has made such pronouncement, it is already the law. If today in the south east a female is denied her inheritance by her people, she can take the matter to court and the court will award the inheritance to her . If any of the family members thereafter goes against such judgement , then the court will hold them in contempt. They can be jailed for that .


To the child marriage issue , if a case on it gets instituted and it gets to Supreme Court level…. If the Supreme Court rules against child marriage, then it will form a precedent and going forward such judgement will be a reference point to fight future cases.

If I still remember my intro to General principles of law correctly , I think when it comes to customary laws/cultural issues there’s usually what they call repugnancy test . i . e the court will have to test if a customary or cultural practice is not repugnant to natural justice, equity and that such practice is not perceived to be inhuman and obnoxious .

Child marriage is obviously obnoxious and inhuman when u consider it is one of the causes of serious medical conditions like VVF.

Is child marriage not already outlawed by our constitution? Or does Supreme Court have to rule on it before it becomes law?

TemporaryHansel:


Is child marriage not already outlawed by our constitution? Or does Supreme Court have to rule on it before it becomes law?

Sani yerima practicalky trafficked a 10 year old bride from Egypt if I recall. I think this was even after his term as governor

raumdeuter:


You might say the Law wins but the people who hold the culture dear will find a way around it. For example in the Nigeria there is freedom of movement, but when there is Oro festival and the people of Ikorodu refused to come out, or your business in Ikorodu, the employees refuse to come outside will the law go into their house and drag them outside?

Or say some places where they don't marry Osu, even if you outlaw it and assign Nigerian army to enforce, will you go and carry an Osu woman by force into the house of one that is not and use koboko to make sure they are married??

US where Polygamy is illegal, yet some people practice it, they will simply say the first wife is the legal wife and the one married in court, the other wives will just be "sisters" though sleeping together and bearing children. So how will the police prosecute them? or they will sit in the living room and watch which bedroom sister enters to collect gbola every night? Even if they catch them on top one another, they will claim they were cheating and the first wife has a forgiving spirit

Law is the easiest thing to change, changing the mind of he people regarding those cultural issues is the hardest

While you make a strong case, I side with the position that law wins. At the end of the day, the courts will use the laws of the land to make judgements. Allow me use your examples to clarify my position.

If I am an employer of labor in Lagos or any SW state and (one or more) of my employees doesn't show up for work because of Oro festival or any cultural festival that the law doesn't recognize as a National holiday, I am well within my rights as an employer to discipline the employee, up termination. If the employee becomes aggrieved by any of my disciplinary decision, he or she is free to take me to court. The court would have to interpret the laws of the land as it pertains to my decision which is based on my policies and procedures and come up with a judgement. The Ministry of Labor gives every employer of Labor a list of mandatory holidays and that is what I will go with as an employer of Labor. Otherwise, employee A can wake up one morning and say there is no movement in their compound because Landlord mandated so.

On Osu, there are so many angles to it. The law banishing Osu caste system was passed in 1956, 4 years before Nigeria's independence. The current constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria was adopted in 1999. Consequently, the Osu caste system can not be enforced even if aggrieved persons tried because it is not enshrined in our current constitution. However, there is a technical aspect of discrimination but how do you prove a form of discrimination within a tribe when the caste system itself (Osu) isn't adopted in our current constitution (I stand corrected). Post independence, the other attempts to abolish the Osu caste system have been culturally, not legally and those are not enforceable or recognized by the courts. The Osu caste system is hinged primarily on discrimination based on social class. Ask yourself, are there other forms of social class discrimination that are not enshrined in our constitution? Absolutely!

GloriousGbola:
Yes everyone has the right to practice their culture, the problem is when practising their culture becomes a nuisance and threat to others
I am coming out of the supermarket and one northern beggar and her child were looking at me
Today there is a very large middle class northern population in lagos who have fled the mess created from their culture up north but who want to slowly import the same culture down south.
Fulani elite have refused to uplift their herdsmen brethen who take cows to feed on people's farms and who stab and machete people with impunity.
No one was really concerned about Islam or Muhammed until 911. For years after that it was open season on everything Islam. I say this because if Hindu terrorists suddenly decided to pass themselves an attack a western monument, their religion would receive the same scrutiny and condemnation.
We can say it is their culture but the culture is now backfiring on all of us.

There are many cultures outside of ours that are alien to us and will annoy us but in the multi cultural world we live in you cannot stay within your culture alone.

The type of dressing an average 21yr old wears on campus will make many conservative people and parents uncomfortable with it but will have to look away

When you have issues in your culture that threatens my own safety like terrorism it becomes a problem but does the age of consent in different cultures threaten your own safety? It might sound crude to you for a grown man to have a sexual affair with a teenager but in many countries and cultures in the world the age of consent is 14, 15 16yrs etc

I am not sure it was even clearly defined in Nigerian constitution and in our cultural laws, No one counted age, Once a female is mature (menstruating) she is ripe for sexual relations and marriage. This is what some people in the North follow till now. Even in the Southern villages if you impregnate a 16yr old the "Punishment" is to marry her

For example Peter Obis wife looks like she was under 18yrs when she got married to him

raumdeuter:


There are many cultures outside of ours that are alien to us and will annoy us but in the multi cultural world we live in you cannot stay within your culture alone.

The type of dressing an average 21yr old wears on campus will make many conservative people and parents uncomfortable with it but will have to look away

When you have issues in your culture that threatens my own safety like terrorism it becomes a problem but does the age of consent in different cultures threaten your own safety? It might sound crude to you for a grown man to have a sexual affair with a teenager but in many countries and cultures in the world the age of consent is 14, 15 16yrs etc

I am not sure it was even clearly defined in Nigerian constitution and in our cultural laws, No one counted age, Once a female is mature (menstruating) she is ripe for sexual relations and marriage. This is what some people in the North follow till now. Even in the Southern villages if you impregnate a 16yr old the "Punishment" is to marry her

For example Peter Obis wife looks like she was under 18yrs when she got married to him

It will make me wary of leaving my kids around some people.

And some people think they can carry their culture with them

Remember the Paki grooming gangs of the UK? They brought their culture to UK. Same way many of our bros get busted toasting 14 year olds.

Roland17:


While you make a strong case, I side with the position that law wins. At the end of the day, the courts will use the laws of the land to make judgements. Allow me use your examples to clarify my position.

If I am an employer of labor in Lagos or any SW state and (one or more) of my employees doesn't show up for work because of Oro festival or any cultural festival that the law doesn't recognize as a National holiday, I am well within my rights as an employer to discipline the employee, up termination. If the employee becomes aggrieved by any of my disciplinary decision, he or she is free to take me to court. The court would have to interpret the laws of the land as it pertains to my decision which is based on my policies and procedures and come up with a judgement. The Ministry of Labor gives every employer of Labor a list of mandatory holidays and that is what I will go with as an employer of Labor. Otherwise, employee A can wake up one morning and say there is no movement in their compound because Landlord mandated so.

On Osu, there are so many angles to it. The law banishing Osu caste system was passed in 1956, 4 years before Nigeria's independence. The current constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria was adopted in 1999. Consequently, the Osu caste system can not be enforced even if aggrieved persons tried because it is not enshrined in our current constitution. However, there is a technical aspect of discrimination but how do you prove a form of discrimination within a tribe when the caste system itself (Osu) isn't adopted in our current constitution (I stand corrected). Post independence, the other attempts to abolish the Osu caste system have been culturally, not legally and those are not enforceable or recognized by the courts. The Osu caste system is hinged primarily on discrimination based on social class. Ask yourself, are there other forms of social class discrimination that are not enshrined in our constitution? Absolutely!

Regarding the Oro, a native of Ikorodu might believe that if she goes out on that day, some evil might befall her in the future, become barren, or give birth to demons etc. You can sue all you want or layoff but you will never make her go out to work on Oro day, SanwoOlu cant even make her go out when the threat of barrenness is hanging over her. You will notice that people tied to that culture will not flout the law

I believe its the same fear that drives people who avoid Osu people because of the curses and bad luck that might follow those who go with the law and flout the custom. Someone unfamiliar with the tradition will ignore or belittle it but its what it is to the people in the community

And about discrimination not in the constitution yes its everywhere and tied to our cultural and religious beliefs, I don't know if women are allowed to be priests and Cardinals in Catholic or lead a congregation in churches. In some Pentecostal settings a divorcees can never be the head Pastor.

The whole world is filled with strange custom beliefs and taboos which won't make sense to an outsider but we just leave it like that

GloriousGbola:
It will make me wary of leaving my kids around some people.

And some people think they can carry their culture with them

Remember the Paki grooming gangs of the UK? They brought their culture to UK. Same way many of our bros get busted toasting 14 year olds.

Yeah and its cultural, It is strange and borderline criminal to you, but if you grew up in that culture, its probably normal to you and you will look forward to and pray for your sisters, daughters to be married before 18yrs else they might become "too old and unmarriageable"

I once read a story about a Northern Nigerian woman who became a top shot in govt and she was defending that being married early is what helped her and she will hope all her daughters marry early

This is one of the problem of multiculturalism, and why some people are starting to kick against it, How are you going to tell a man who grew up in a conservative culture to see a man wearing dreadlocks, a girl wearing bumshots or Bobrisky as normal.
In Nigeria today 90% of people think Bobrisky is not normal and has mental issues but in some cultures he is the norm

Dapo Adaralegbe the cross dresser was beaten to stupor regularly in OAU late 90s, In a different culture he would have been on TV star that people will be queuing up for his autograph like Magic Johnson son

If you daughter or son comes home from Uni holidays and her best friend is Gay or cross dressing, what will you feel or think? (This scenario has happened to a Naija Pastor family)

NB: What is your opinion on the whole about multiculturalism in a society?

raumdeuter:


Regarding the Oro, a native of Ikorodu might believe that if she goes out on that day, some evil might befall her in the future, become barren, or give birth to demons etc. You can sue all you want or layoff but you will notice that people tied to that culture will not flout the law

I believe its the same fear that drives people who avoid Osu people because of the curses and bad luck that might follow those who go with the law and flout the custom

And about discrimination not in the constitution yes its everywhere and tied to our cultural and religious beliefs, I don't know if women are allowed to be priests and Cardinals in Catholic or lead a congregation in churches. In some Pentecostal settings a divorcees can never be the head Pastor.

The whole world is filled with strange custom beliefs and taboos which won't make sense to an outsider but we just leave it like that

If he or she decides not to come to work because of a personal belief, it is a choice that comes with consequences. It is imperative to remember that the employer isn't the one infringing on your freedom of movement, your community King/ Chief is the one infringing through the enforcement of Oro or any cultural belief. The employee is well within his/her right to sue the King/Chief for infringement of that right, which ultimately cost the employee their job. As an employer, I operate by policies and procedures which are usually guided by applicable Labor laws.

raumdeuter:



For example Peter Obis wife looks like she was under 18yrs when she got married to him

You just couldn't help yourself abi?

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raumdeuter:



For example Peter Obis wife looks like she was under 18yrs when she got married to him

Are you saying people should be calling him Pedo Obi?

Roland17:


You just couldn't help yourself abi?

dayo always makes good points,even if when he is opposing a matter......but why always the snide remarks against obi all the time.

afrodoc2:



Are you saying people should be calling him Pedo Obi?

Una too creative for this Nairaland 🤣

obainojazz:
Una too creative for this Nairaland 🤣

Na question I ask o because my mind no really gel with wetin Dayo talk at all.

afrodoc2:


Na question I ask o because my mind no really gel with wetin Dayo talk at all.

*bombastic music*

Dr mentor mentor hmm
Dr groomer groomer hmm
Dr catch em younger hmm
Dr Leo de Capri hmm

Dr barely legal hmm
Dr barely jailbait hmm
Dr Ephebophile hmm

raumdeuter:


Yeah and its cultural, It is strange and borderline criminal to you, but if you grew up in that culture, its probably normal to you and you will look forward to and pray for your sisters, daughters to be married before 18yrs else they might become "too old and unmarriageable"

I once read a story about a Northern Nigerian woman who became a top shot in govt and she was defending that being married early is what helped her and she will hope all her daughters marry early

This is one of the problem of multiculturalism, and why some people are starting to kick against it, How are you going to tell a man who grew up in a conservative culture to see a man wearing dreadlocks, a girl wearing bumshots or Bobrisky as normal.
In Nigeria today 90% of people think Bobrisky is not normal and has mental issues but in some cultures he is the norm

Dapo Adaralegbe the cross dresser was beaten to stupor regularly in OAU late 90s, In a different culture he would have been on TV star that people will be queuing up for his autograph like Magic Johnson son

If you daughter or son comes home from Uni holidays and her best friend is Gay or cross dressing, what will you feel or think? (This scenario has happened to a Naija Pastor family)

NB: What is your opinion on the whole about multiculturalism in a society?

My stand on all these things is as long as you are an adult what you do is your business.

I do not drink, I don't smoke, I don't fk around but I will not begrudge people their choice to do same. I was on a plane to Abuja yesterday. One thot in crop too, bum shorts one of those cat hair do was beside me. I was irritated at her dressing but it is not my business. I cannot police her dressing. I am also irritated by tent hijab. The one from head all the way to waist. But whatever you choose to wear is your own business.

I personally am irritated with much older men and younger women and vice versa. For me it is just people trying to manage their midlife crisis and not be their age.

Note I have said I am irritated, I dislike, I do not indulge, but I respect people's right to do their thing. And I expect people to respect my right to do my thing.

But you should not inconvenience or disrespect others in the name of doing your thing.

I will however be against marrying children in any culture. By children any one below age of 18.i also believe people should have their own agency in choosing a mate. Taking a 13 year old and marrying her off to a 50 year old man she has never met or known before is just men exploiting their society

I had a Joke with my guy white boy the other day. I said hey why don't you marry my daughter? Aisha (the one always talked about) was the daughter of Abu baker, prophet Muhammed (pbuh) no 1 paddy to sure. We be paddy to sure.

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Passport collection is still taking up to 3 months.

Theflint1:
Passport collection is still taking up to 3 months.

this is the thing. no matter what the minister does, the rank and file people are happy with the system as is and will do everything in their power to perpetuate it. it is free money for them. they all thrive on inefficiencies

a few years ago i had to get a govt registration. we were told do it on the website

the website did not work. in the end we had to pay someone to do it at the back end'. we eventually got the license 6 months later

today teh website is working and you get your license in 3 days. but that means no more 50k for the boys for doing nothing. i hope it can be sustained

the guys who took 50k from izzou will do everything they can to fk this up. where will money for friday nkwobi come from now?

Theflint1:
Passport collection is still taking up to 3 months.

No sir
I got mine not up to a month and purely DIY
Captured Jan 22 by February 10 it's ready

iamoyindamola:

No sir
I got mine not up to a month and purely DIY
Captured Jan 22 by February 10 it's ready

Ur experience is obviously different from his. Na so naija be.

I have read about different people's experience on the same matter, some got theirs early like u did while others got theirs in 3 months following same process. I guess it is the immigration people that are definitely messing up the system.

GloriousGbola:


this is the thing. no matter what the minister does, the rank and file people are happy with the system as is and will do everything in their power to perpetuate it. it is free money for them. they all thrive on inefficiencies

a few years ago i had to get a govt registration. we were told do it on the website

the website did not work. in the end we had to pay someone to do it at the back end'. we eventually got the license 6 months later

today teh website is working and you get your license in 3 days. but that means no more 50k for the boys for doing nothing. i hope it can be sustained

the guys who took 50k from izzou will do everything they can to fk this up. where will money for friday nkwobi come from now?

And the immigration offices are full of corrupt and useless people
We were delayed and treated like leper because we used DIY route and they still collected 5k each from us before they answered us
The minister have good intentions but the assholes incharge won't let it stand

Roland17:


While you make a strong case, I side with the position that law wins. At the end of the day, the courts will use the laws of the land to make judgements. Allow me use your examples to clarify my position.

If I am an employer of labor in Lagos or any SW state and (one or more) of my employees doesn't show up for work because of Oro festival or any cultural festival that the law doesn't recognize as a National holiday, I am well within my rights as an employer to discipline the employee, up termination. If the employee becomes aggrieved by any of my disciplinary decision, he or she is free to take me to court. The court would have to interpret the laws of the land as it pertains to my decision which is based on my policies and procedures and come up with a judgement. The Ministry of Labor gives every employer of Labor a list of mandatory holidays and that is what I will go with as an employer of Labor. Otherwise, employee A can wake up one morning and say there is no movement in their compound because Landlord mandated so.

On Osu, there are so many angles to it. The law banishing Osu caste system was passed in 1956, 4 years before Nigeria's independence. The current constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria was adopted in 1999. Consequently, the Osu caste system can not be enforced even if aggrieved persons tried because it is not enshrined in our current constitution. However, there is a technical aspect of discrimination but how do you prove a form of discrimination within a tribe when the caste system itself (Osu) isn't adopted in our current constitution (I stand corrected). Post independence, the other attempts to abolish the Osu caste system have been culturally, not legally and those are not enforceable or recognized by the courts. The Osu caste system is hinged primarily on discrimination based on social class. Ask yourself, are there other forms of social class discrimination that are not enshrined in our constitution? Absolutely!

While you are very right, if you stay in Ikorodu and you tell your employers that you stay in Ikorodu, I doubt there's any employer that doesn't know Ikorodo does Oro almost every 3 month.

All the places I've worked have never forced me to come to work during those times. All I need to do is just inform them ahead maybe a day or so before the Oro day and they allow me to work from home.

It's not like the employers like it, they just know there's nothing they can do about the culture of the city. Except they want to provide accommodation for their staffs staying in Ikorodu.

There was Oro yesterday now, most business around Ikorodu garage didnt open and everyone stayed home. If you are a man and you are driving, you can drive out in the morning and by evening everywhere is free.

BlueRayDick:


Ur experience is obviously different from his. Na so naija be.

I have read about different people's experience on the same matter, some got theirs early like u did while others got theirs in 3 months following same process. I guess it is the immigration people that are definitely messing up the system.

I experienced some too

larride:


While you are very right, if you stay in Ikorodu and you tell your employers that you stay in Ikorodu, I doubt there's any employer that doesn't know Ikorodo does Oro almost every 3 month.

All the places I've worked have never forced me to come to work during those times. All I need to do is just inform them ahead maybe a day or so before the Oro day and they allow me to work from home.

It's not like the employers like it, they just know there's nothing they can do about the culture of the city. Except they want to provide accommodation for their staffs staying in Ikorodu.

There was Oro yesterday now, most business around Ikorodu garage didnt open and everyone stayed home. If you are a man and you are driving, you can drive out in the morning and by evening everywhere is free.

You are also right, but some employers no send u. They care less about where u stay ; in such instances the onus is on u to arrange for a friend or relative or colleague who stays close to ur work place whom u can crash with for those days.

I remember around 2009/2010 when I used to go hustle around that Ikorodu side . Places like Imota and other towns on the outskirts of Ikorodu will do their traditional festival for one full week ( I think they call it Eluku or something like that ). For that one week , they will just ground economic activities unnecessarily . I used to wonder if people working in banks and other modern offices will take one full week leave or their employers will just allow them stay off work without consequences .

BlueRayDick:


You are also right, but some employers no send u. They care less about where u stay ; in such instances the onus is on u to arrange for a friend or relative or colleague who stays close to ur work place whom u can crash with for those days.

I remember around 2009/2010 when I used to go hustle around that Ikorodu side . Places like Imota and other towns on the outskirts of Ikorodu will do their traditional festival for one full week ( I think they call it Eluku or something like that ). For that one week , they will just ground economic activities unnecessarily . I used to wonder if people working in banks and other modern offices will take one full week leave or their employers will just allow them stay off work without consequences .

They still do Eluku festival now but I think its 2 days now, overnight for day 1 and full day for the second day.

Alot of things has changed about Oro in Ikorodu though, it's not as worse as it used to be some years ago.

BlueRayDick:


You are also right, but some employers no send u. They care less about where u stay ; in such instances the onus is on u to arrange for a friend or relative or colleague who stays close to ur work place whom u can crash with for those days.

I remember around 2009/2010 when I used to go hustle around that Ikorodu side . Places like Imota and other towns on the outskirts of Ikorodu will do their traditional festival for one full week ( I think they call it Eluku or something like that ). For that one week , they will just ground economic activities unnecessarily . I used to wonder if people working in banks and other modern offices will take one full week leave or their employers will just allow them stay off work without consequences .

I have heard of poverty alleviation program, but this one is poverty elevation program. Black man needs help.

Theflint1:
Passport collection is still taking up to 3 months.

Depends oh brother.
I registered and did everything online. Captured 2nd week January by first week February, passport was issued though didn't go to collect until recently.

afrodoc2:


I have heard of poverty alleviation program, but this one is poverty elevation program. Black man needs help.