andromida: A christian should be rich.

musKeeto: No one should be rich. You work hard to get rich... or you get an inheritance.. or get lucky... No one is born with a right to be rich.. not even getting 'born again' would do that...

musKeeto: Family only? Please, use the famous 'CHRISTIANS ONLY' tag next time.. Over and out...

Ihedinobi:

"Family only" means that the Bible is the last word here, dude. Show or put up, please. Pretty please with loads of sugar on top.

musKeeto: No one should be rich. You work hard to get rich... or you get an inheritance.. or get lucky... No one is born with a right to be rich.. not even getting 'born again' would do that...

Delafruita:
what do you mean by "family only"?

Mr_Anony: Christ told u to seek His kingdom first, that's what's important. Material riches are secondary.
Matthew 6:33.

andromida: oh well maybe the christian word is not appropriate here so i will say a believer in the word of God as the final authority in his/her life ought not be poor if he/she desires to be rich.

Dueteronomy 15:4 KJV Except when there shall be no poor among you; for the LORD shall greatly bless you in the land which the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance to possess it.

reading the passage through i understand it to mean if the laws were to be obeyed properly then a situation will/may arise where there will be no poor man among believers.

The new international version and other versions are closer-:Deuteronomy 15:4 However, there should be no poor among you, for in the land the LORD your God is giving you to possess as your inheritance, he will richly bless you

Deuteronomy 8:18 But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Deuteronomy 28 “Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth.
2 And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, because you obey the voice of the Lord your God:

3 “Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the country.

4 “Blessed shall be the fruit of your body, the produce of your ground and the increase of your herds, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.

5 “Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.

6 “Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.

7 “The Lord will cause your enemies who rise against you to be defeated before your face; they shall come out against you one way and flee before you seven ways.

8 “The Lord will command the blessing on you in your storehouses and in all to which you set your hand, and He will bless you in the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

9 “The Lord will establish you as a holy people to Himself, just as He has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the Lord your God and walk in His ways.
10 Then all peoples of the earth shall see that you are called by the name of the Lord, and they shall be afraid of you.
11 And the Lord will grant you plenty of goods, in the fruit of your body, in the increase of your livestock, and in the produce of your ground, in the land of which the Lord swore to your fathers to give you.
12 The Lord will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.
13 And the Lord will make you the head and not the tail; you shall be above only, and not be beneath, if you heed the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you today, and are careful to observe them.

2 corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

The catch to enjoying all these blessing being matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

musKeeto: No one should be rich. You work hard to get rich... or you get an inheritance.. or get lucky... No one is born with a right to be rich.. not even getting 'born again' would do that...

Delafruita:
i concur

musKeeto: No one should be rich. You work hard to get rich... or you get an inheritance.. or get lucky... No one is born with a right to be rich.. not even getting 'born again' would do that...

ijawkid:

D scripture supports ur stance.....

But what's with d picture??

Who's that??

Your cousin??lol

musKeeto:
Hahaa.. i think say buzugee go comment for the thread.. i been wan piss am offf... where im dey sef?

Ihedinobi: Hmmm...thinking...

ijawkid:

About what?

Ihedinobi:

I want to hear what you think, my brother, are material riches secondary because they are separate from the Kingdom of God or for some other reason?

Mr_Anony:
Hmm, well ok, I'm sure you already know my answer but you still wanted to ask so here goes........
Material riches are not separate from God's Kingdom (all good and perfect gifts come from God), rather I'll say they are peripheral to the kingdom of God i.e the Kingdom of God is the main dish, material riches is the toothpick after the meal. The the toothpick is not necessary after the meal but if you really like the toothpick and ask your Father, He will give you as many as you want. It is silly however to leave the main dish and pursue after the toothpick.

Christianity is never synonymous with poverty neither is it synonymous with material wealth. Material riches or the lack of it is not what identifies a christian. As a christian, you can be a billionaire with multiple private jets and gold bullion. You can also be a christian and be as broke as a church rat with only one article of clothing and no food and no money. You can also be anywhere in the middle.

The main thing is that money must never control you. Your appetite must be for the main dish and not the peripherals. If you go to a restaurant and instead of ordering food, you order for toothpick and napkins then something is very wrong somewhere.
This is how silly christians look before God when we chase after material wealth at the expense of a relationship with God.....

.......heck I am sure that even the devil is amused by it, he is somewhere laughing his head off at such a person

truthislight:
As much as i like ur ballance, i will add that matthew 6:33 said we should seek for God's kingdom first, and this other things will be added,
That matthew did not say we should do the asking for this other things, but rather it is automatic. "Will be added to you" so, it did not give room for individual to decide on what to ask for on the other things, its left to God.

Like in the lord's prayer, the instruction is, "give us today our daily bread" has nothing to do with us specifying the kind of bread that should be given to us.

So, if like u said, one decided to be asking for took pick instead of the main course dish. Do you imagine that God will answer a prayer that is not in accordance with his will?

If someone prays and gets an answer when the prayer was not according to God's will, do you really believe it was the Almighty God that answered that prayer?
Some people uses satan's power u know.

Jesus shows that our prayers should be pastan in accordance with God's WILL.
Peace

Mr_Anony:
Yeah, we must pray according to God's will, but then remember it is not against God's will to prosper us materially. God is our father and it is completely our right as His children to ask Him for wealth. The only thing we have to make note of is that we set our priorities right and lay more importance on Him as our Father over and above material blessings.
you may want to look up Matthew 7:7-11.

truthislight:
I dont think that the bible teaches that wealth is bad, am only saying the bible in no place promise of prosperity on becoming a christian, and as such there is no basis in the bible to teach such.

People can be rich with a good skill be them christian or not.

Looking at people from the angle of being rich as a measure of one being acceptable by God is not base in the bible.

Jesus parent were not rich as can be seen by their two turtle dove sacrifice which was the least of the possible items to be use for such sacrifice.
If God did not consider his son's earthly parent to be extra ordinary wealthy why should i think that he considers it to be absolutely necessary?

My point is that people should focus on the big picture which is ETERNAL LIFE.

God see the big picture, how to give eternal life. Unless some one will tell me that on getting very rich one will not grow old again, fall sick again, or one will not DIE AGAIN?
Unless still someone wants to tell me that the former Nigeria president Umaru musa yaradua was a poor man.

When one looks at christianity without the deem prosperity glasses then one can see things from Gods stand point.

I did say one can have lots of money depending on how one is or the nature of his business and the opportunities that came his way. Still, being skillful is very important to be able to harness it.

What i have said completely excludes extortion in the name of God.
Peace