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Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by mu2sa2: 12:15pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
DeeManD: COPIED FROM http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/08/the-money-changers/Virtually all d churches in dis country are involved in dis business of ruthless Sunday money collection to d point that Sunday services ar no more than weekly money-collection days for the pastors. These guys call themselves "men of God" but are in fact "men of money". Can anybody tell me whether Jesus took money from his followers and kept it to cater for an extravagant lifestyle? |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Nobody: 12:17pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
There are many heavens, and tithe isnt even a condition to gain access to any of the heavens. 1 Like |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by yomz1e(m): 12:22pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Tithes is a sensitive issue! its unfortunate most new-breed churches use to extorts their congregation. How can a pastor tell me it doesn't matter what i use the congregation tithes for, well excuse me, it matters what you use my money for, how can i be in financial difficulties and you using my money to flenjo!..No where in the bible does it say if i don't pay is straight automatic promotion to hell, God said we should pay so that there will be food in his house for those that are lacking and also for the people that work in the house. The original levites. Don't get me wrong there is a blessing in paying it but common sense needs to be applied when paying it. If you faith is not strong or you stressing yourself paying it, then you just throwing money down the pastors pocket, but if its truly from your heart 100% then you appreciating God's mercy on you. We have so many translations of the bible which has lead to some confusions as to what God is saying to us. I don't pay tithes, but do give offerings and alms when necessary and i am blessed and endowed. So its upto you I am wondering which pastor is going to buy the next Premiership football team, since private jets is old fashion now. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Nobody: 12:23pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
We have bad pastors, as well as we have the good ones. So we can't use d bad ones as a yardstick. In my opinion, I'll pay my tithe and let God be the judge. If he doesn't use it for God, God sees and will repay him. Let the bible be ur guide, not any pastor! |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by crackhouse(m): 12:24pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Una don come with another logic today again? So that xtrians go begin do another logic within themselves. Abeg count me out. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Elvin001: 12:27pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
I believe tithing is jst a prosperity principle that works for both believers n non believers... If u are a non believer that tithes, u wil only prosper but u can never inherit the kingdom of God. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Clemzy16(m): 12:28pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Delafruita:must jesus say everything, can't you use your common sense. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Nobody: 12:31pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
U can help urself by studying d origins of tithing. It was part of d constitution God gave to Israel. Nowhere is it stated that u should bring all & give to the priest but u r enjoined to set it aside & remember U̶̲̥̅̊я family, d levites (because they had no portion in d land), widows & orphans. In d new dispensation however, tithing is not fōя d xtian. D pastors quote Malachi but if u read from the start u will see dt he was refering to d priests because they were supposed to tithe wht was given to them. My take: tithe but don't give it to d church instead bless someone or people with it. God bless u |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by honourlaja(m): 12:32pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Any act of disobedience to God's word is a sin.who cares what they do with it, mine is to serve God by doing His will. If Pastors dey serve money, na dem sabi...Heaven's race is too important than to waste my time finding out who is doing what with my money. Don't forget, nobody will force u if u refuse to give. Don't give at your own peril. May u not miss Heaven because of your stingy mentality. Money will send a lot of pastors to Hell. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by oyeludef(m): 12:37pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
if u r really a xtian den u will b wise enough 2 know dat God will not judge u based on popular opinion but based on His word so why not go through d bible 2 find out tins for ur self instead of try 2 cause unnecessary debate here. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Chylo(m): 12:37pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Ladies and Gentlemen, I have noticed something in all the responses here. People are just commenting on what they think or feel, but noone is talking about what the scriptures say. People get confused, even true believers, due to the way it has been so perverted, but God's principles remain the same. I will not argue either way, but I will simply present the scriptures (all from the new testament too) for you to make up your own minds. 1. Matt. 23:23 and Luke 11:42 - Jesus condemns the scribes and Pharisees for tithing even the smallest things, without doing the more important things like mercy, fair judgement and faith. However, He then concludes by asking them to do these more vital things, without leaving the tithing undone. I think this answers the OP's question. No, tithing alone will not get you to heaven! 2. Luke 18:12-14 - Jesus tells the story of two people praying, one a Pharisee, one a sinner. The Pharisee prays proudly saying he fasts twice a week and pays tithes, while the sinner prays humbly for mercy. Jesus concludes that the sinner is more justified than the other because,"everyone that exaltheth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted". Notice that Jesus does not condemn d scribe for tithing, but rather for being proud about it. If tithing were wrong from here, then so also would fasting twice a week. The lesson is, if you tithe, well and good, do not be proud of it. Also, if you are a sinner and do not tithe, God can still accept you; but this is not the ideal situation. 3. Hebrews 7:4-9 - Here, Paul suggests that tithing is a spiritual principle. Of particular importance is verse 8, where Paul says, "And here men that die receive tithes; but there He receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth". In other words, as human beings receive tithes here on earth, Jesus in heaven receives them there. When you pay tithes, you are not giving to any man, but to Jesus himself. You should imagine you are standing before God when presenting it. This is also an answer to those people saying you can pay tithes by giving alms, this is not what the scripture teaches. What I can only say to pastors is that, please and please do not force people to pay tithes, it does not guarantee heaven, neither does it make one holy; however, simply present the Word of God to the people and leave them with the choice of whether to obey or not to obey. Thank you very much. 4 Likes |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by yomz1e(m): 12:43pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
honourlaja: Any act of disobedience to God's word is a sin.who cares what they do with it, mine is to serve God by doing His will. If Pastors dey serve money, na dem sabi...Heaven's race is too important than to waste my time finding out who is doing what with my money. Don't forget, nobody will force u if u refuse to give. Don't give at your own peril. May u not miss Heaven because of your stingy mentality. Money will send a lot of pastors to Hell. So you don't care what the pastors do with your money! is it not in the bible that if you see someone committing sin and you do not tell them , that you part of it? so my guy open your eyes and change that mentality or you are a like the pharisees |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Nobody: 12:49pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
teminoni: Paying tithe is not a condition to enter the kingdom of heaven. But Jesus requested that as good christians, we should pay tithe. And the tithe should be used for the maintenance of the church and for feeding the poor and the old widowed members of the church. Please quote that passage from any of the 4 gospels. PLEASE. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by KiKatanga: 12:51pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Chylo: I recommend you watch your pastor closely. Do they follow the word of Christ? In preaching the word of a man who said (John 8:7) "He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone" Do they preach condemnation? How about the unambiguous(Luke 6:37-42) "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." Are they not the people who say "you will be condemned if you do not pay tithe, you will be condemned if you tolerate and forgive homosexuals, you will be condemned if you worship any other god" The word of Jesus says "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses neither will your father forgive your trespasses." Matthew 6:14-15 If heard a lot of pastors, but even when they say these words, they launch, moments later into hate-filled rants about people they deem to be sinners. Be careful who you follow. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Abali1(m): 12:52pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
The Catholic Church I know do not lay emphasis on Tithing. But almost all the pentecostal churches lay strong emphasis on tithe. I will not judge, cos it is written, DO NOT JUDGE SO THAT YOU WILL NOT BE JUDGED. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by eyenCalabar(m): 12:56pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
@Op You can only get the kind of response you need from canally minded people like you and I think that would make you happy. If you like pay if you don't like keep it. Half baked Christian. Till now you can't take a stance on issues of Tithing. If you like you can remain a babe in Christ for life. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by ZUBY77(m): 1:01pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Yes, to go to Christian Heaven, you must pay tithe. But to go to muslim Heaven, you must kill a Christian to stop him from going to Christian Heaven. I think there is Population war in Heaven between Muhammed and Jesus. Each one of them needs more people , maybe they are gettng ready for war.. 2 Likes |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Bella3(f): 1:02pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
So people stil dash their money to pastors? Pls, Jesus commanded that u shud give to the poor and needy nt to pastor with 5 jets! Tithe is nt compusory directly bt complusory indirectly! Becoz it is commanded that we give in plenty to the poor, i think it is only logical that we give 10% as prescribed by malachi. Pls stop makin some greedy men caled pastors richer. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by cardoso111(m): 1:05pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
There is a. Law of return in place!the more you give the more miraculous door open to you.This has. No correlation with your salvation at al l |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Nobody: 1:06pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
jerseyboy: There is your answer Chylo: Ladies and Gentlemen, |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Nobody: 1:17pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
jerseyboy: Jesus requested this through his apostles whom were all inspired by the holy spirit. Its even in the old testament. Malachi 3:8. God was speaking through Prophet Malachi. New International Version (©1984) "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. New Living Translation (©2007) "Should people cheat God? Yet you have cheated me! "But you ask, 'What do you mean? When did we ever cheat you?' "You have cheated me of the tithes and offerings due to me. English Standard Version (©2001) Will man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say, ‘How have we robbed you?’ In your tithes and contributions. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by MahatmaGhandi: 1:18pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
teminoni: After reading some posts I think I will hold back my missiles and do more inquiries but ultimately I think the way pastors have emphasised it made me sceptical |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by manny4life(m): 1:24pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
NO... Tithes is a 1/10th of God's own money given to the church/clergy, however, for you to make heaven, that's a different story altogether. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Nobody: 1:28pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Just to be very clear and so no one would ask me 'where did Jesus say this' again. Malachi 3 7 Ever since the time of your ancestors you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you," says the LORD Almighty. "But you ask, 'How are we to return?' 8 "Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—your whole nation—because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not drop their fruit before it is ripe," says the LORD Almighty. 12 "Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land," says the LORD Almighty. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by 1k001(m): 1:39pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
It's simple really. In Malachi chapter 3 the Lord requires that the faithful be tithed. In Num 18, it is revealed what use the tithe is to be put towards and what proportion is to be paid. Now i feel the real issue in our day is to whom should this tithe be paid. It is instructive that when Abraham needed to pay his tithe, he sought out the king of salem in Gen 14, evidenced again in Heb 7. What we all thus need to find is our 'King of salem', however i feel that if you go ahead and obey the commandment to pay tithe, The Lord will bless you regardless of whom you pay it to and what purpose it's used for. The Lord seeth the heart and rewardeth accordingly. Now having said that I strongly condemn those who use tithes for personal gain, whoever does this will surely get his just reward. You need to feel comfortable with where your money is going to, It behooves you to search for such a place. I have and I delightfully pay a tenth of my gross income and other increases. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by jimino(m): 1:41pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
My frnd, paying of title is obligation 4 all xtians. God specifically asked us 2 bring 1 tenth of our harvest or income 2 his house(church). It is a command. If u dnt do it, u r disobeying God himself. Wat eva d pastors or priest do wit d mony is nt ur bizness. Ur own is jst 2 obey d word of God if u truly believe in d word. Surely God wil reward both here on nd in heaven. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by ignis: 1:45pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
yeye4live: Intrestin, dis days churches does tithe every sundays,I 4maly taut it shud b once in a month,churchs dis days re just a riping house 4me,my anoyance s dat dey wil neva help any of dier members dat re down,no ned 2talk much, GOD s comin soon 2get dem 4meFrom your username, i never expected more than this from you. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by priory: 1:56pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
I have joy in sowing seed than paying tithe.I can even use my whole salary to sow seed (more in secret) but I find it had to pay tith.pls advice. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Nobody: 1:59pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
teminoni: Just to be very clear and so no one would ask me 'where did Jesus say this' again. Jesus did not speak in Malachi. The words of Jesus can only be found as recorded by those who heard Him ONLY IN THE 4 GOSPELS. When people claim inspiration from holy spirits and angels you have to consider human elements in what has trasnpired. Most of Christianity should be based on the 4 gospels. Much of the old testament is Jewish traditions. Please show me where Jesus endorsed 10% tithe. |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by samchide(m): 2:01pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Tithe is meant to be something of free will to the priest and its seasonal , Monthly or end of the year depending on individual mode of income |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by Goshen360(m): 2:05pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
jimino: My frnd, paying of title is obligation 4 all xtians. I am weary of "tithe" topic on this board. Hence, I stopped talking for a while. However, statement like this from people like you has drawn me into this subject again. How can you make such a statement without a biblical verse to support your claim. Even in Israel, NOT EVERYONE WAS COMMANDED TO "BRING" tithe, not to talk of "PAY" tithe. So you think "tithe" is what you "owe" God?. THERE IS NO WHERE, NOT A SINGLE VERSE IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELLS "CHRISTIANS" TO TITHE - This might baffle your "theology" but it's the truth. Christianity didn't start until AFTER the death of Christ. Hence, they were first called Christian in Acts of Apostle. Therefore, you might want to show everyone where tithe is COMMANDED to ALL Christians from Acts to Revelation. jimino: God specifically asked us 2 bring 1 tenth of our harvest or income 2 his house(church). This show you don't know what you are talking about, (I don't mean insult though). God NEVER commanded tithe from INCOME. God's biblical tithe is SPECIFICALLY FROM CROPS AND ANIMALS. That is being specific. I will like you to show us where God SPECIFICALLY mentioned INCOME, as in monetary income. Again, you called church the house of God. You erred in this statement. The church is the body of Christ, not the building. The storehouse where tithe of crops/animals were commanded in the OT was a small house inside the temple of OT. Today, our body is the temple of God and we, collection of believer as a whole is the body of Christ called the church. @ Topic, Tithe is NOT a NT testament practice for NT believers. God commanded it for OT Israel which was a type and shadow of NT Christian. However, it was replaced with freewill giving which is by grace. Many pastors are guilty of this fraud in the name of God called tithe. Like someone said while I was reading comments, there are kinds of heaven, so which one will tithe take you to? Tithe is NEVER a commandment to the CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS and it has been proved to be a modern day fraud in the name of God. 3 Likes |
Re: Re-must I Pay Tithe To Get To Heaven? by inereunwa1(m): 2:06pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
kenny888: without tithe,pastors will go hungry,why do you think we have so many churches around the whole area,even some face to face churchesyou guys should read the link in my signature the answers are there!! |
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