yes i did.everyone visits "heaven" and "hell".some days are like hell and some are like heaven.however,so many smart folks have made millions by telling people the hogwash story of "jesus took me to heaven and hell".
the first of such books that i read was rick joyner's "the final quest".i must admit that book made for some good reading.joyner had good writing skills and were it not for the fact that he claimed to actually have visited heaven and hell,it would been a superb fiction novel.he ended by saying jesus asked him to warn others that he is coming soon.

over the years,i have read quite a number of them.i had to visit my mini-library to refresh my memory for the purpose of this thread.corlton burpo claimed jesus helped him with his homework.its understandable that the kid was 4years old at the time but he didnt write the frigging book.he couldnt write it because he was frigging 4years old.whoever wrote the book had their own ideas and thats what they wrote.the boy even met his sister who was never born because the mother had a miscarriage.


then comes mary k baxter.her description is so idiotic it makes me wanna smack anyone who believes her hogwash story.add the fact that she has sold almost 1million copies at almost $31 a copy and then you can understand why anyone would claim to have gone to heaven and hell.BTW she's the only one who claimed to have seen satan though she doesnt describe what he looks like.

then there's don piper's "90minutes in heaven".the first time i read the book,i was so angry at myself for wasting my money on such an idiotic tale of a heavenly visit.that should suffice for now.

i really wonder how christians believe all this stories that are more like a kindergaten playbook.

May God have mercy on your ignorance...my people perish cos of lack of knowledge.

sholay2011: May God have mercy on your ignorance...my people perish cos of lack of knowledge.

the quote you just made actually applies to you.

Delafruita: yes i did.everyone visits "heaven" and "hell".some days are like hell and some are like heaven.however,so many smart folks have made millions by telling people the hogwash story of "jesus took me to heaven and hell".
the first of such books that i read was rick joyner's "the final quest".i must admit that book made for some good reading.joyner had good writing skills and were it not for the fact that he claimed to actually have visited heaven and hell,it would been a superb fiction novel.he ended by saying jesus asked him to warn others that he is coming soon.

over the years,i have read quite a number of them.i had to visit my mini-library to refresh my memory for the purpose of this thread.corlton burpo claimed jesus helped him with his homework.its understandable that the kid was 4years old at the time but he didnt write the frigging book.he couldnt write it because he was frigging 4years old.whoever wrote the book had their own ideas and thats what they wrote.the boy even met his sister who was never born because the mother had a miscarriage.


then comes mary k baxter.her description is so idiotic it makes me wanna smack anyone who believes her hogwash story.add the fact that she has sold almost 1million copies at almost $31 a copy and then you can understand why anyone would claim to have gone to heaven and hell.BTW she's the only one who claimed to have seen satan though she doesnt describe what he looks like.

then there's don piper's "90minutes in heaven".the first time i read the book,i was so angry at myself for wasting my money on such an idiotic tale of a heavenly visit.that should suffice for now.

i really wonder how christians believe all this stories that are more like a kindergaten playbook.

Now here is something we both agree on

sholay2011: May God have mercy on your ignorance...my people perish cos of lack of knowledge.

my friend,seek knowledge as far as china

frosbel:


Now here is something we both agree on

finally

This is the song I'll be singing when I'm in paradise:

I'm a millionaire
I'm a millionaire
My Father is rich in houses and land
And I'm his heir

I'm a millionaire
I'm a millionaire
I'm a multi-multi-multi-millionaire!

Omo Alata: This is the song I'll be singing when I'm in paradise:

I'm a millionaire
I'm a millionaire
My Father is rich in houses and land
And I'm his heir

I'm a millionaire
I'm a millionaire
I'm a multi-multi-multi-millionaire!

really?

ifeness:

really?

Yes Of course

Haven't you heard the hymn before

I am now a child of God; I've been washed in Jesus' blood
Making me an heir to wealth beyond compare
So as now I press along daily this shall be my song:
"I'm a happy millionaire."

Chorus:
I'm a millionaire, I'm a millionaire
My Father is rich in house and land beyond compare
I'm a millionaire, I'm a millionaire
I'm a happy millionaire

Lord, I'd rather worship Thee with the people who are free
Than the pleasures of this world a season share
I am rich beyond recall for my Father owns it all
I'm a happy millionaire

Omo Alata: Haven't you heard the hymn before

I am now a child of God; I've been washed in Jesus' blood
Making me an heir to wealth beyond compare
So as now I press along daily this shall be my song:
"I'm a happy millionaire."

Chorus:
I'm a millionaire, I'm a millionaire
My Father is rich in house and land beyond compare
I'm a millionaire, I'm a millionaire
I'm a happy millionaire

Lord, I'd rather worship Thee with the people who are free
Than the pleasures of this world a season share
I am rich beyond recall for my Father owns it all
I'm a happy millionaire

delusion

Delafruita: yes i did.everyone visits "heaven" and "hell".some days are like hell and some are like heaven.however,so many smart folks have made millions by telling people the hogwash story of "jesus took me to heaven and hell".
the first of such books that i read was rick joyner's "the final quest".i must admit that book made for some good reading.joyner had good writing skills and were it not for the fact that he claimed to actually have visited heaven and hell,it would been a superb fiction novel.he ended by saying jesus asked him to warn others that he is coming soon.

over the years,i have read quite a number of them.i had to visit my mini-library to refresh my memory for the purpose of this thread.corlton burpo claimed jesus helped him with his homework.its understandable that the kid was 4years old at the time but he didnt write the frigging book.he couldnt write it because he was frigging 4years old.whoever wrote the book had their own ideas and thats what they wrote.the boy even met his sister who was never born because the mother had a miscarriage.


then comes mary k baxter.her description is so idiotic it makes me wanna smack anyone who believes her hogwash story.add the fact that she has sold almost 1million copies at almost $31 a copy and then you can understand why anyone would claim to have gone to heaven and hell.BTW she's the only one who claimed to have seen satan though she doesnt describe what he looks like.

then there's don piper's "90minutes in heaven".the first time i read the book,i was so angry at myself for wasting my money on such an idiotic tale of a heavenly visit.that should suffice for now.

i really wonder how christians believe all this stories that are more like a kindergaten playbook.

Even if those characters you mentioned didn't actually go to heavel and hell respectively, they proved one important point.

Jesus is coming soon so I suggest you prepare yourself for that coming.

CrazyMan:
Even if those characters you mentioned didn't actually go to heavel and hell respectively, they proved one important point.

Jesus is coming soon so I suggest you prepare yourself for that coming.

i suggest you accept the reality that jesus doesnt exist

Delafruita:
i suggest you accept the reality that jesus doesnt exist

Give me a reasonable proof and I would believe he doesn't exist. I'm a principled person. I believe in facts

CrazyMan:
Give me a reasonable proof and I would believe he doesn't exist. I'm a principled person. I believe in facts

if indeed you believe in facts,you wont believe in a jesus for who no facts support his existence

Delafruita:
if indeed you believe in facts,you wont believe in a jesus for who no facts support his existence

I've experienced his presence before...I feel that's enough for me to believe that he exists.

CrazyMan:
I've experienced his presence before...I feel that's enough for me to believe that he exists.

Was he a black dude?

CrazyMan:
I've experienced his presence before...I feel that's enough for me to believe that he exists.

you experienced his presence?lol

CrazyMan:
I've experienced his presence before...I feel that's enough for me to believe that he exists.

ermm can you describe the presence?

ifeness:
Was he a black dude?

No. I didn't actually see him, I felt him; so I can't really say if he was black or white.

But wait a minute, what's with you and Jesus skin colour? So you haven't gotten over this skin colour issue?

Delafruita:
you experienced his presence?lol

Yea I did

mkmyers45: ermm can you describe the presence?

I've posted my experience here before...it happened a few years back...I use to be the wheelbarrow type of christian (I.e if you don't push me to church, fellowship, prayer meetings etc I won't go). This continued for years until one particular brother in the lord...brother Abel took up my case. He followed me up and ensured that I remain focused in the lord.

At first, I saw him as a pest and tried avoiding him severally. But gradually, I developed this interest in him...we became close, and I began to take the things of God more seriously.

To cut the long story short, he asked me to take the message in one of our prayer meetings...I was very angry and objected instantly, but with time I told myself, I can actually do this...the day finally came for me to take the message, and after praying to God for guideance, I took it.

After the message, I noticed something unusual...I suddenly felt very happy, I felt like singing it was as if I've be inhabited by a supernatural being...to be honest, I can't just explain it. That evening was one of the best ever I experienced.

I later drew a conclusion by saying...if at all there is a God up somewhere, as people claim, he visited me and this evening I'm sure it was him cos my bible tells me in

Psalm 11:16. You will make known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand.

The lord lord's presence as stated in this verse is characterized by joy and happiness...so whenever you find yourself in such situation after serving him, then know that he has accepted you. And your spirit would acknowledge him.

CrazyMan:
No. I didn't actually see him, I felt him; so I can't really say if he was black or white.

But wait a minute, what's with you and Jesus skin colour? So you haven't gotten over this skin colour issue?


Yea I did


I've posted my experience here before...it happened a few years back...I use to be the wheelbarrow type of christian (I.e if you don't push me to church, fellowship, prayer meetings etc I won't go). This continued for years until one particular brother in the lord...brother Abel took up my case. He followed me up and ensured that I remain focused in the lord.

At first, I saw him as a pest and tried avoiding him severally. But gradually, I developed this interest in him...we became close, and I began to take the things of God more seriously.

To cut the long story short, he asked me to take the message in one of our prayer meetings...I was very angry and objected instantly, but with time I told myself, I can actually do this...the day finally came for me to take the message, and after praying to God for guideance, I took it.

After the message, I noticed something unusual...I suddenly felt very happy, I felt like singing it was as if I've be inhabited by a supernatural being...to be honest, I can't just explain it. That evening was one of the best ever I experienced.

I later drew a conclusion by saying...if at all there is a God up somewhere, as people claim, he visited me and this evening I'm sure it was him cos my bible tells me in

Psalm 11:16. You will make known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand.

The lord lord's presence as stated in this verse is characterized by joy and happiness...so whenever you find yourself in such situation after serving him, then know that he has accepted you. And your spirit would acknowledge him.

your experience isnt peculiar to christianity.same happens in many other religions.people expect to be uplifted whenever they do "things of the spirit".its common in voodoo likewise rastaferianism has it as one of its principles for adherrents to "get high" so as to "feel the presence of I and I"

Delafruita:
your experience isnt peculiar to christianity.same happens in many other religions.people expect to be uplifted whenever they do "things of the spirit".its common in voodoo likewise rastaferianism has it as one of its principles for adherrents to "get high" so as to "feel the presence of I and I"

Note, people in the occultic world would also experience similar presence just like you stated above...but they interprete it to being the presence of the devil or other demonic beings.

Here in christanity we define such experience as the presence of christ.

CrazyMan:
Note, people in the occultic world would also experience similar presence just like you stated above...but they interprete it to being the presence of the devil or other demonic beings.

Here in christanity we define such experience as the presence of christ.

so are we safe to say that religions in the final analysis boils down to humans and their experience with their imaginary Friend up there?

If there is any story that can be sold to about 1 billion ignorant people, I think that story has to be a story about a phantom heaven in the skies where people sing and not eat, see pretty angels and not fvck.

cyrexx:
so are we safe to say that religions in the final analysis boils down to humans and their experience with their imaginary Friend up there?

I wouldn't use the word imaginary because I believe that there's a being up there.

If evil and wickness exist in the world, then you must know that good also exist.

If evil spirits possesses people and they get delivered by children of God, then God himself also exist.

If satanists believe that a human can astral project into the realm of the spirit, then I believe that God can also show his children a glimpse of paradise.

If you believe that magic, witches, wizards and all forms or dark arts are real, then you must also believe that the opposite side of that coin also exist.

If people comit murder, r a p e, fraud etc, and make you believe it was the devil that made them do it, then you must know that there's someone up there who wants you to do good.

If you claim that there's no God, and that religious fanatics are just creating an imaginative being in their minds where they can find solitude, then how do you explain the creation of the universe...it didn't just appear...it was created by someone.

I can go on and on to prove to you that someone actually exist up there, its just up to you to believe it or not.

CrazyMan:
I wouldn't use the word imaginary because I believe that there's a being up there.

If evil and wickness exist in the world, then you must know that good also exist.

If evil spirits possesses people and they get delivered by children of God, then God himself also exist.

If satanists believe that a human can astral project into the realm of the spirit, then I believe that God can also show his children a glimpse of paradise.

If you believe that magic, witches, wizards and all forms or dark arts are real, then you must also believe that the opposite side of that coin also exist.

If people comit murder, r a p e, fraud etc, and make you believe it was the devil that made them do it, then you must know that there's someone up there who wants you to do good.

If you claim that there's no God, and that religious fanatics are just creating an imaginative being in their minds where they can find solitude, then how do you explain the creation of the universe...it didn't just appear...it was created by someone.

I can go on and on to prove to you that someone actually exist up there, its just up to you to believe it or not.

We certainly are not alone in the universe. But it is right to say our planet has existed for millions of years contrary to what the christian bible said. The bible was written based on accounts written in other books. Check out "The epic of Gilgamesh" "The book of enki and enlil" "THE SUMERIAN TABLETS" even the book of ENOCH which was removed from the bible because it proved that there are extra terrestrial out there. What happened to the dinosaurs? why are there no dinosaurs in the holy bible?

Where did man get technology if not from the extra terrestrials. We are been watched and have been watched and monitored like chicken poultry for millions of years.

There is not just one being but billions of beings out there in other universes,planets and star systems. Check out the planets,we have different types of animals with different traits even fish,mermaids. That is what you call DNA manipulation according to Genetic(Genesis). We human think we are on top of the food chain,but clearly we are not!!!!

CrazyMan:
Note, people in the occultic world would also experience similar presence just like you stated above...but they interprete it to being the presence of the devil or other demonic beings.

Here in christanity we define such experience as the presence of christ.

therefore,"spiritual" experience is subject to interpretation and such interpretation is done as to suit the different religious groups.
mind you,voodooist dont tag their "experience" as been demonic.they believe its evidence of the presence of their deity.

we have not reached the level of asking what ones are the positive and negative extra terrestrial. The God of the bible is clearly an evil one because he aided killings,blood sacrifices and terrible deeds in the bible. I can't say much on that because it will get Christians confused. The fight is between the malevolent and benevolent forces in the universe.

Only a few people on the planet have got the access to the truth or knowledge. That is why they are called secret societies. Knowledge is power and secret knowledge is more power.

CrazyMan:
I wouldn't use the word imaginary because I believe that there's a being up there.

If evil and wickness exist in the world, then you must know that good also exist.

If evil spirits possesses people and they get delivered by children of God, then God himself also exist.

If satanists believe that a human can astral project into the realm of the spirit, then I believe that God can also show his children a glimpse of paradise.

If you believe that magic, witches, wizards and all forms or dark arts are real, then you must also believe that the opposite side of that coin also exist.

If people comit murder, r a p e, fraud etc, and make you believe it was the devil that made them do it, then you must know that there's someone up there who wants you to do good.

If you claim that there's no God, and that religious fanatics are just creating an imaginative being in their minds where they can find solitude, then how do you explain the creation of the universe...it didn't just appear...it was created by someone.

I can go on and on to prove to you that someone actually exist up there, its just up to you to believe it or not.

i agree with you in terms of evil beings existing.but that does not in anyway prove the existence of yahweh.every religion has its own explanation for what the opposite of evil is.

people who commit crimes and claim "it was the devil" should be given a double dose of the prison term they deserve.the fact that people accuse satan of everything doesnt prove the existence of satan.it only proves that people are willing to embrace the idiotic idea of an evil being that pushes them to do evil things all in a bid to draw them to his kingdom

ifeness: we have not reached the level of asking what ones are the positive and negative extra terrestrial. The God of the bible is clearly an evil one because he aided killings,blood sacrifices and terrible deeds in the bible. I can't say much on that because it will get Christians confused. The fight is between the malevolent and benevolent forces in the universe.

Only a few people on the planet have got the access to the truth or knowledge. That is why they are called secret societies. Knowledge is power and secret knowledge is more power.

You've read chariots of the gods, etc? When I was younger, I was convinced. A few years passed then so much disappoint.

I do like me some rockets but the way you term this stuff comes across a bit like crazy talk (no offense). Most religions have some inner core where all the 'answers' are, only high priests are allowed etc. Not sure why man needs to create these things, but there's probably a biological reason. Enter secret societies.

CrazyMan:
I wouldn't use the word imaginary because I believe that there's a being up there.

If evil and wickness exist in the world, then you must know that good also exist.

If evil spirits possesses people and they get delivered by children of God, then God himself also exist.

If satanists believe that a human can astral project into the realm of the spirit, then I believe that God can also show his children a glimpse of paradise.

If you believe that magic, witches, wizards and all forms or dark arts are real, then you must also believe that the opposite side of that coin also exist.

If people comit murder, r a p e, fraud etc, and make you believe it was the devil that made them do it, then you must know that there's someone up there who wants you to do good.

If you claim that there's no God, and that religious fanatics are just creating an imaginative being in their minds where they can find solitude, then how do you explain the creation of the universe...it didn't just appear...it was created by someone.

I can go on and on to prove to you that someone actually exist up there, its just up to you to believe it or not.

Sad truth, evil is subjective. It's a mental construct only reasonable to beings with intelligence like you and me.

Obviously I don't think spirits etc exist.

Saying some intelligence created the universe actually complicates stuff, what created the complex being in the first place? What is god to you anyways?

And despite you being crazy, this thread does not have the usual astronomical levels of #insult many other threads have.

ifeness:
We certainly are not alone in the universe. But it is right to say our planet has existed for millions of years contrary to what the christian bible said. The bible was written based on accounts written in other books. Check out "The epic of Gilgamesh" "The book of enki and enlil" "THE SUMERIAN TABLETS" even the book of ENOCH which was removed from the bible because it proved that there are extra terrestrial out there. What happened to the dinosaurs? why are there no dinosaurs in the holy bible?

You simply haven't proven any thing to me...all those books you put up there were all written by humans who possible felt that simply because they couldn't find any visible proof to convince them that God exist, they decided to counter the bible.

Haven't you ever asked why they didn't counter the koran, or the buddist religion, or other religions...why did they choose to counter christianity. I would answer that for you. Its because christianity is the one true religion, that's why the devil keeps sending scores of his followers to plant confusion in their mist.

Now back to those books, If I must ask, who were the authors of those books...I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they would be a bunch of atheists possibly from our generation. They are people like you who after finish reading the bible, bring out passages and pretend to do research with them...they go on to open websites and start decieving weak christians and other intending ones, by tellin them that there is no God.

Therefore, if you believe in all those books simply because it counters the bible, and you feel that christians cannot prove to you that their God exist,

Then allow me to believe the bible which has given me much facts to prove that there is a creator...everyone is entilted to his own believe about the universe.

Delafruita:
therefore,"spiritual" experience is subject to interpretation and such interpretation is done as to suit the different religious groups.
mind you,voodooist dont tag their "experience" as been demonic.they believe its evidence of the presence of their deity.

Yea...just as they tag it as evidence of their deity, we also tag ours as the presence of God.

ifeness: we have not reached the level of asking what ones are the positive and negative extra terrestrial. The God of the bible is clearly an evil one because he aided killings,blood sacrifices and terrible deeds in the bible. I can't say much on that because it will get Christians confused. The fight is between the malevolent and benevolent forces in the universe.

Only a few people on the planet have got the access to the truth or knowledge. That is why they are called secret societies. Knowledge is power and secret knowledge is more power

And if I may ask, where did they get their knowledge about the universe from?