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Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by Nobody: 1:45pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
CrazyMan: @All the atheist... We are all spiritual beings trapped in this mortal body. I hope you know the concept of the Life Machine used in the clinic. What it does is to trap the soul of the human for a specific period of time. We are are only experiencing this reality with the help of our body,otherwise we all are spirits and part of the oneness. When we dream,we experience other realities which seldom make much meaning to us. Life as we know is the opposite of BIRTH. just like there is life after Birth,there is also life after Death. Most of the time we die and yet we don't know we have died so many times. The human mind is limited to information outside of its jurisdiction and thus,it gets scared of the after-life. Remember,when a baby is born,it has to learn to walk,talk and adjust to the human behaviors and ways of life. We all have existed in the past and will always be. The soul is eternal,just like energy,we can never be destroyed. |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by MrAnony1(m): 2:05pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
Avicenna:Wow! You asked for logical proof of God. I started laying down my premises, so far they have followed logically. Rather than accept them so that we can progress, you brand them "speculations". Now logic is no longer good enough for you and the correct theory can only be proven by "experiment" and you only want to deal with "facts" ok that's fine. The problem now is how do you know for sure that you actually know anything or that anything is a fact? I am quite sure that for most of the things you think you know, you really don't know how you know them. You just accept them to be true. (but then never mind, that's another thing entirely. I'll let you be) 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by plaetton: 2:12pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Never argue with scientific facts unless you have better facts to refute them. You are getting me confused with some else. I am not a proponent of first cause. It is intelligent design people that talk about first cause. |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by Avicenna: 2:20pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
Mr_Anony:And I said your premises were logical. Until you entered possibilities. It is possible for a supernatural realm to be present pre-this universe. Then in your annoying trickery, you substituted that possibility and called it a FACT. That means you don't understand what we are doing. What else can we do without experiment? A supernatural realm may be possible A multi-verse may be possible A reverse-universe may be possible A lot of things may be possible #speculations# not only you have a theory. Others also follow logically to varying degrees i.e they are possible. Is that hard for you to understand? |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by plaetton: 2:20pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
mkmyers45: Correction: The sun does not destroy mass, it just converts it into the heat and electromagnetic energy which then radiates throughout the solar system, absorbed by the earth, for example, to synthesize carbohydrates for plants, provide heat for life. the heat is further absorbed by the earth's crust to fuse carbon atoms in the formation of minerals and fossil fuels. The universe is a big recycling plant for energy. There is absolutely no loss of matter. Every atom is accounted for in the universe. It either exists in the form of mass or in the forms active or latent energy. |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by mkmyers45(m): 2:39pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
plaetton: Why is mass/energy conversion not equal considering heat changes... |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by wiegraf: 2:47pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
CrazyMan: Actually all you're displaying, albeit probably unknowingly, is close-mindedness. A general example, in sciences when someone brings up some hypothesis and backs it up with evidence, we all now have a verified theory. The scientific community (or companies using their work) will probably use it to give us nice things like our pc's, etc. However note, the theory might be incomplete and later expanded on, or wrongly interpreted etc. Now here's the key, even for a well established theory, supposing you bring an alternative solution that invalidates said popular theory and back it up with even better evidence than the older theory's, the scientific community will gladly take up your theory and dispose of the older one. Basically, science keeps an open mind. In speaking about what happens after death, the evidence and science is pretty clear: nothing. So we are now just basically speculating, perhaps to make ourselves feel good because the concept of death is not pleasing to a lot of us. While making all these speculations, you have settled on the christian one as a favorite of yours. For whatever reasons you prefer it, and trust me when I say most of us are actually (EDIT: oops, NOT) interested in changing your preference. Now, you've chosen this option for subjective reasons, you do not have any evidence, yet you shoot down all other options as well. Some might even plausibly have more evidence to support them (like reincarnation, or the dream stuff, both veeeeeeerrrrrryyyyy unlikely) but you still shoot them down simply because they personally don't appeal to you, not because you have evidence to the contrary. That is being close-minded. Atheists looking for other solutions are simply being open-minded. Who knows, maybe someday they figure out a way to contact the dead (heh heh, not likely), now that would be useful to those looking to achieve that, no? |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by plaetton: 2:59pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
mkmyers45: Sorry, I dont understand the question |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by wiegraf: 3:28pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: First, it is highly impractical to hold that view, yes. So for practical reasons I let it go. I apply that kind of thinking to lots of things, but that's just my personal philosophy thingie Second, what you describe is the observer effect. That is different, the popular example being measuring tire pressure. You have to lose it first, altering the tires pressure, thus you've actually changed it's state already. Observer effect does muddle quantum calculations, obviously. Actually it should disturb any measurement, just extremely neglibly for some. Uncertainty is different. Again, I'm no physicist, but it seems to indicate some truly random behaviour. Whether or not you interfere or not, there are probabilities involved. Probabilities would indicate, possibly, particles being influenced by nothing. So far a few hidden variables have been introduced, they've all failed. I'm not sure how bell's inequalities work, but that supposedly shows components of this jazz via math, and has been verified by experiments. It involves particles borrowing energy from - I'm no scientist!! Need to be fully sure, so pls verify. Now assuming I am wrong, your postulates may be correct... For now... I'd still not be sure that something can't come from nothing... Numbers... Third, with the black hole, you stated earlier that if there were a supernatural universe that birthed ours, it would be able to interact with ours but not necessarily the other way. I point out that not strictly true, black holes demonstrate this to a degree, we can't get any information from beyond their event horizon. Or the supernatural universe may have been destroyed while birthing ours, etc. Last, that is correct, that is why I add in the edit much earlier (just after I posted it actually) that it doesn't really affect casuality per say. I realized it only affects the sequence, events still need to be caused (if you move faster than c cause and effect would still hold in a sense, just you'd probably wipe the cause out from history, enter multiverse, etc fans). But I still used it as a way to demonstrate what I meant by stuff not being 'intuitive'. Again, considering uncertainty, I'm not sure how casuality works on the quantum level This osts are getting longer... I'm working on how to make them shorter... I get time sef... Need to get to work |
Re: Atheist Feel Free To Ask Your Questions by TeekayAkin: 4:16pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
''...It is hard for you to believe there is no architect, right? And all these must have been created and designed. But you also find it easy to believe that the architect came from nowhere.. LOL Isn't that insane? If the world which is so called creation of a god can't just exist, then how can the god just exist? The creator should be more complex and intelligent than the creation right? SO if the lesser complex and intelligent creations can just exist, then how can the more complex creation just exist? And if the more intelligent can exist then why can't the lesser just exist? When you can tell us where your god came from and how it came to be, that same way is how everything else came to be.. Now enlighten us! I never for once told you I agreed with ANY theory of world creation or beginning! How it came to be? I don't know! NEITHER do I have the arrogance, ego and ignorance to assume I do and NEITHER DOES ANYONE KNOW! I'm also not that foolish to assume that such must be known by me and in my life time as to then fall for fools who have claimed that some god or something brought about it. Those foolish enough have fallen prey of that, hence there are tons and tons of claims of some god and creation. Funny you only pick one, Ohh the one you were raised with. Soon a muslim will be here and tell us of a different god with a different message, at least at some point, same will the Thor worshippers, Mormorns et al.. You speak of the big bang and loathe it.. But believe some god just appeared there by what? accident? init? LOL Diss the big bang and then hide under it later. You lot are damn unintelligent, it is a disgrace! Your god just appeared there and started creating everything, right? How is that different from there was a bang and everything came to be? A sudden bang? Some god from no where appearing? 5. You foolishly call it creation hence you seek a creator. And a creation can't prove a creator, because without having the idea of a creator you wouldn't even use the term creation and creator actually comes before creation. You have built up the idea of some god/creator foolishly and hence make that your premise that everything was created! And then you some how flatter yourself that creation confirms the creator.. LOL WAKE UP AND REASON!! WAKE UP AND REASON!!! Your failure to reason has made you mental and physical slaves of other men, the consumer of their waste products and the guinea pig on which they test all experiments and hypotheses! Somehow the rat in the lab assumes it's equal to the scientists simply because they are in the same lab room! How insane!!! WAKE UP!!!"- Teekay Akin FreedomMovementVoice |
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