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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by PAGAN9JA(m): 10:34pm On Sep 12, 2012
TerryCarr: it's not about the Religions it is a map of the "civilizations"

this map is flawed and deals with religions. you omitted entirely the Pagan Dayaks of Borneo and the Majapahit civilization. of the Malay archipelago.

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by JallowBah(f): 10:35pm On Sep 12, 2012

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by TerryCarr(m): 10:40pm On Sep 12, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


this map is flawed and deals with religions. you omitted entirely the Pagan Dayaks of Borneo and the Majapahit civilization. of the Malay archipelago.
religion influenced civilization
Huntington divided the world into the "major civilizations" in his thesis as such:

Western civilization, comprising North America, Western and Central Europe, Australia and Oceania. Whether Latin America and the former member states of the Soviet Union are included, or are instead their own separate civilizations, will be an important future consideration for those regions, according to Huntington.
Latin America. Includes Central America, South America (excluding the Guianas), Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Mexico. May be considered a part of Western civilization, though it has slightly distinct social and political structures from Europe and Northern America. Many people of the Southern Cone, however, regard themselves as full members of the Western civilization.
The Orthodox world of the former Soviet Union (excluding the Baltic states and most of Central Asia), Armenia, Georgia, the former Yugoslavia (excluding Slovenia and Croatia), Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Ukraine and Romania.
The Eastern world is the mix of the Buddhist, Chinese, Hindu, and Japonic civilizations.
The Buddhist areas of Bhutan, Cambodia, Laos, Mongolia, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, and Thailand are identified as separate from other civilizations, but Huntington believes that they do not constitute a major civilization in the sense of international affairs.
The Sinic civilization of China, the Koreas, Singapore, Taiwan, and Vietnam. This group also includes the Chinese diaspora, especially in relation to Southeast Asia.
Hindu civilization, located chiefly in India, Bhutan and Nepal, and culturally adhered to by the global Indian diaspora.
Japan, considered a hybrid of Chinese civilization and older Altaic patterns.
The Muslim world of the Greater Middle East (excluding Armenia, Cyprus, Ethiopia, Georgia, Israel, Malta and South Sudan), northern West Africa, Albania, Bangladesh, Brunei, Comoros, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, and Maldives.
The civilization of Sub-Saharan Africa located in Southern Africa, Middle Africa (excluding Chad), East Africa (excluding Ethiopia, Comoros, Kenya, Mauritius, and Tanzania), Cape Verde, Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. Considered as a possible 8th civilization by Huntington.
Instead of belonging to one of the "major" civilizations, Ethiopia and Haiti are labeled as "Lone" countries. Israel could be considered a unique state with its own civilization, Huntington writes, but one which is extremely similar to the West. Huntington also believes that the Anglophone Caribbean, former British colonies in the Caribbean, constitutes a distinct entity.
[b]There are also others which are considered "cleft countries" because they contain large groups of people identifying with separate civilizations. Examples include India ("cleft" between its Hindu majority and large Muslim minority), Ukraine ("cleft" between its Eastern Rite Catholic-dominated western section and its Orthodox-dominated east), France (cleft between Sub-Saharan African, in the case of French Guiana; and the West), Benin, Chad, Kenya, Nigeria, Tanzania, and Togo (all cleft between Islam and Sub-Saharan Africa), Guyana and Suriname (cleft between Hindu and Sub-Saharan African), China (cleft between Sinic, Buddhist, in the case of Tibet; and the West, in the case of Hong Kong and Macau), and the Philippines (cleft between Islam, in the case of Mindanao; Sinic, and the West). Sudan was also included as "cleft" between Islam and Sub-Saharan Africa; this division became a formal split in July 2011 following an overwhelming vote for independence by South Sudan in a January 2011 referendum.
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Huntington's thesis of civilizational clash

Russia, Japan, and India are what Huntington terms 'swing civilizations' and may favor either side. Russia, for example, clashes with the many Muslim ethnic groups on its southern border (such as Chechnya) but—according to Huntington—cooperates with Iran to avoid further Muslim-Orthodox violence in Southern Russia, and to help continue the flow of oil. Huntington argues that a "Sino-Islamic connection" is emerging in which China will cooperate more closely with Iran, Pakistan, and other states to augment its international position.

Huntington also argues that civilizational conflicts are "particularly prevalent between Muslims and non-Muslims", identifying the "bloody borders" between Islamic and non-Islamic civilizations. This conflict dates back as far as the initial thrust of Islam into Europe,[citation needed] its eventual expulsion in the Iberian reconquest, the attacks of the Ottoman Turks on Eastern Europe and Vienna, and the European imperial division of the Islamic nations in the 1800s and 1900s.

Huntington also believes that some of the factors contributing to this conflict are that both Christianity (which has influenced Western civilization) and Islam are:

Missionary religions, seeking conversion of others
Universal, "all-or-nothing" religions, in the sense that it is believed by both sides that only their faith is the correct one
Teleological religions, that is, that their values and beliefs represent the goals of existence and purpose in human existence.
Irreligious people who violate the base principles of those religions are perceived to be furthering their own pointless aims, which leads to violent interactions.

More recent factors contributing to a Western-Islamic clash, Huntington wrote, are the Islamic Resurgence and demographic explosion in Islam, coupled with the values of Western universalism—that is, the view that all civilizations should adopt Western values—that infuriate Islamic fundamentalists. All these historical and modern factors combined, Huntington wrote briefly in his Foreign Affairs article and in much more detail in his 1996 book, would lead to a bloody clash between the Islamic and Western civilizations. The political party Hizb ut-Tahrir also reiterate Huntington's views in their published book, The Inevitability of Clash of Civilisation.
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Fulaman198(m): 10:40pm On Sep 12, 2012
All I will say is this you all need to think of your actions today because it will impact tomorrow. If you are all against traditional cultures and tradition, then fine they may cease to exist tomorrow. Nomads will be wiped out because of your urge to become Westernized.

Like Solomon said, Africans have sold out their cultures for peanuts. A sad reality but true. Tomorrow your sons and daughters will be speaking foreign tongues over their own mother tongue. Africa will then be called New America or New Europe. Highly consider what you guys do when you mock tradition and those who seek to preserve it.

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by TerryCarr(m): 10:40pm On Sep 12, 2012
JallowBah:

I applaud you.
grin
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by JallowBah(f): 10:43pm On Sep 12, 2012
Fulaman198: All I will say is this you all need to think of your actions today because it will impact tomorrow. If you are all against traditional cultures and tradition, then fine they may cease to exist tomorrow. Nomads will be wiped out because of your urge to become Westernized.

Like Solomon said, Africans have sold out their cultures for peanuts. A sad reality but true. Tomorrow your sons and daughters will be speaking foreign tongues over their own mother tongue. Africa will then be called New America or New Europe. Highly consider what you guys do when you mock tradition and those who seek to preserve it.

No. The world should start all over, everything should have been erased.

Look at kids, how they see beauty, love and life in every little thing. We forget that, always trying to be bigger, better, smarter, faster.
Being inspired by positive things from the rest of the world does not mean you have to loose yourself, your language, or your identity along the way.
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by PAGAN9JA(m): 10:48pm On Sep 12, 2012
Fulaman198: All I will say is this you all need to think of your actions today because it will impact tomorrow. If you are all against traditional cultures and tradition, then fine they may cease to exist tomorrow. Nomads will be wiped out because of your urge to become Westernized.

Like Solomon said, Africans have sold out their cultures for peanuts. A sad reality but true. Tomorrow your sons and daughters will be speaking foreign tongues over their own mother tongue. Africa will then be called New America or New Europe. Highly consider what you guys do when you mock tradition and those who seek to preserve it.

brother Fulaman, you and I will work our best and do what we can. let the world and the spirits and our ancestors bear witness that we tried our best.

P.s. what did i tell you about ssociating with jallow. you see how she has shown her true colors. look at her before talking all about Fulani culture and now:

JallowBah:

No. The world should start all over, everything should have been erased.

Look at kids, how they see beauty, love and life in every little thing. We forget that, always trying to be bigger, better, smarter, faster.
Being inspired by [b]positive things from the rest of the world [/b]does not mean you have to loose yourself, your language, or your identity along the way.

rest of the world (meaning the west).

and what has useless kids got to do anything? are we disuccing brats?

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by JallowBah(f): 10:56pm On Sep 12, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


brother Fulaman, you and I will work our best and do what we can. let the world and the spirits and our ancestors bear witness that we tried our best.

P.s. what did i tell you about ssociating with jallow. you see how she has shown her true colors. look at her before talking all about Fulani culture and now:



rest of the world (meaning the west).

and what has useless kids got to do anything? are we disuccing brats?

..guess that means you dont want kids, or think anyone of your own tribe should have kids either?

No, not rest of the world. The whole world. We were given this beautiful planet to live on and enjoy, and we, as in humans, f`ed it up. Humans love power too much.
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by PAGAN9JA(m): 11:00pm On Sep 12, 2012
JallowBah:

..guess that means you dont want kids, or think anyone of your own tribe should have kids either?

No, not rest of the world. The whole world. We were given this beautiful planet to live on and enjoy, and we, as in humans, f`ed it up. Humans love power too much.

no christians and muslims f***d it up. forget it am out of here. .

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by JallowBah(f): 11:03pm On Sep 12, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


no christians and muslims f***d it up. forget it am out of here. .

Good.

You have digged yourself down today, not even trying to answer questions to prove me, or others, wrong in what we say.
Go.

Yeah, I guess africans never do anything bad, ah? And when they do, its only to pay back to the white devils, ah?
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 11:29pm On Sep 12, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


i wont be grateful . they have stolen our free, independent lifestyle and have complicated it. life today is frustrating and stressful.

and the blacks hardly contributed anything except, for drug-culture, rap music (with ayanle's favourite word "nigerrrr" always used), rascism, loos-morality, gang-wars, p.ornographic content, etc. .


If you feel that way than throw away you're computer.. Which is a part of western civilzation...

You sound ignorant... Blacks contributed a lot to western civilzation. From different invention, art, music, civil rights,etc...
http://www.black-collegian.com/african/inventions605.shtml

You like other Africans are clueless about western culture whether it be black or white. Gang wars has been active since the freaking 1900s! It was mostly by Irish,Italian and German immigrants...Ever heard of the Mob? Black people didn't start gang violence. Today gang violence is mostly active in Latino communities. Ever heard of MS13?

I don't know where you get racism from?

loos-morality has been active since the 1900s.. Again black Americans didn't start that.

"P.ornographic content??" You're a slowpoke... The porn industry is dominated by white people.

Drug culture? Drug culture is also in some Asian culture as well. And whites are the biggest drug users. I could say genocide,rape and civil wars is a part some African cultures.. Also I'm hearing Nigerians are big in the heroin trade.

Rap music is not the only music black blacks made... Reggae,R@B,Jazz,Rock,Soul,etc. Black Americans and blacks of the diaspora basically influenced many music genre.

Again you are clueless about western society. If you hate western ways so much than leave you're western country.. Its easy! Its called "freedom".

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by PAGAN9JA(m): 11:33pm On Sep 12, 2012
KingMichael777:


If you feel that way than throw away you're computer.. Which is a part of western civilzation...


Again you are clueless about western society. If you hate western ways so much than leave you're western country.. Its easy! Its called "freedom".

i will throw away my computer and leave this white country only when al the stolen gooods, resources, etc slaves, etc., are returned to my country and when my country is made right by them oyinbos. untl then i am part of this system created by them. and anyways i can use Eastern tecology, though i dont care, as i have already explained.

yes freedom, but only when i get back what i have lost, will i pack and leaave immediately.

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 11:40pm On Sep 12, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


i will throw away my computer and leave this white country only when al the stolen gooods, resources, etc slaves, etc., are returned to my country and when my country is made right by them oyinbos. untl then i am part of this system created by them. and anyways i can use Eastern tecology, though i dont care, as i have already explained.

yes freedom, but only when i get back what i have lost, will i pack and leaave immediately.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

this guy is hilarious.

i dont know who is funnier he or smooth crim, the troll. grin
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 11:41pm On Sep 12, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


i will throw away my computer and leave this white country only when al the stolen gooods, resources, etc slaves, etc., are returned to my country and when my country is made right by them oyinbos. untl then i am part of this system created by them. and anyways i can use Eastern tecology, though i dont care, as i have already explained.

yes freedom, but only when i get back what i have lost, will i pack and leaave immediately.

If I was forced to move to India. I'm going to whine about their way of living.. You should be thanking western countries fot giving you a chance for a suitable way of living instead of complaining.. I know countries like America has its fault and down side, bit I'd rather live in America than some place like Somalia...
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by PAGAN9JA(m): 11:43pm On Sep 12, 2012
KingMichael777:

If I was forced to move to India. I'm going to whine about their way of living.. You should be thanking western countries fot giving you a chance for a suitable way of living instead of complaining.. I know countries like America has its fault and down side, bit I'd rather live in America than some place like Somalia...

this is the difference between me and you. i am not going their for personal gain. just to get a suitable base from where i can carryout my activities and funding.
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by ezeagu(m): 11:44pm On Sep 12, 2012
Haiti should be "Sub-Saharan Africa", but obviously that would challenge the grouping and naming (of which implies these people had no organisation or civilization). Also "Former British Colonies" is rubbish, obvious attempt to run away from the obvious strong African-based culture there.
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 11:55pm On Sep 12, 2012
ezeagu: Haiti should be "Sub-Saharan Africa", but obviously that would challenge the grouping and naming (of which implies these people had no organisation or civilization). Also "Former British Colonies" is rubbish, obvious attempt to run away from the obvious strong African-based culture there.

in everything from half azzed genetic studies, to religion to present day location, its no conspiracy the aim is to strip africa of any type of unity, pride and foundation.

#divide&conquer.

when blacks and africans period finally wake up, it may be too late.

mark MY words. Shyt WILL hit the fan and we will be too divided and stuck on stuupid to realize it.
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by TerryCarr(m): 11:57pm On Sep 12, 2012
ezeagu: Haiti should be "Sub-Saharan Africa", but obviously that would challenge the grouping and naming (of which implies these people had no organisation or civilization). Also "Former British Colonies" is rubbish, obvious attempt to run away from the obvious [img]strong African-based culture there.[/img]
yeah but you can't call the Caribbean "African" because it is different it has euro influnce as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6cWrA2DKg

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by TerryCarr(m): 12:02am On Sep 13, 2012
MsDarkSkin:

in everything from half azzed genetic studies, to religion to present day location, its no conspiracy the aim is to strip africa of any type of unity, pride and foundation.

#divide&conquer.

when blacks and africans period finally wake up, it may be too late.

mark MY words. Shyt WILL hit the fan and we will be too divided and stuck on stuupid to realize it.
a British person and a Russian may be both white but they are culturally different i don't get why half to be just "black"

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 12:16am On Sep 13, 2012
TerryCarr: a British person and a Russian may be both white but they are culturally different i don't get why half to be just "black"

thats your opinion.

im not going to debate you on your opinion.

i am talking about the reality.
the reality is (as your thread about africans messing up africa conveys)
that unity, education and tolerance is the key within our countries and race.

if africa is to rise, she needs no dwell on divisions. africa, black or what ever,
the point is the world is using our resources and our contributions against us.
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 12:17am On Sep 13, 2012
TerryCarr: yeah but you can't call the Caribbean "African" because it is different it has euro influnce as well

true but aside from language and maybe some food, the caribbean is mostly african in influence.

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by TerryCarr(m): 12:25am On Sep 13, 2012
MsDarkSkin:

thats your opinion.

im not going to debate you on your opinion.

i am talking about the reality.
the reality is (as your thread about africans messing up africa conveys)
that unity, education and tolerance is the key within our countries and race.

if africa is to rise, she needs no dwell on divisions. africa, black or what ever,
the point is the world is using our resources and our contributions against us.
that the problem "if africa is to rise" i doubt it will happen no time soon

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by MrsChima1(f): 12:29am On Sep 13, 2012
Fulaman198:

That is because Nigerians have forgotten that their roots are the bush and would like to be as American as possible.

Nigerians in Nigeria forgotten their roots

Well...you can attest to that...you are Nigerian living in Nigeria.... grin grin grin grin
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by MrsChima1(f): 12:29am On Sep 13, 2012
I like the dance. wink
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 12:39am On Sep 13, 2012
TerryCarr: that the problem "if africa is to rise" i doubt it will happen no time soon

of course it wont happen soon, just like it won't be spontaneous and hugs.

it will take time..lots.

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by kengis: 1:31am On Sep 13, 2012
Fulaman198: and other foreigners.....

We must treat our own people as well instead of bowing down to foreigners and trying to copy them. Our country, Nigeria, is the biggest offender of lacking originality and being traditional. Many people look down upon tradition as if it is some kind of a plague, do you really want your children and your childrens' children to wear a Western mask and be Westernized? Ask yourself...

Many of you probably don't care, this is why I can't marry a Nigerian woman, even if I am Nigerian. I just can't have a wife goading my future children to become Westernized and White washed. It is not going to happen. I won't allow my future children to speak English better than their native tongue(s), and I won't have them frowning upon African tradition(s) as if it is some plague.

BTW, to all the Coconuts, coconut thread is that way >>>>>>>>>>>
Nice thread
Well said !
I hope you ain't muslim though

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Fulaman198(m): 1:33am On Sep 13, 2012
Fulaman198: All I will say is this you all need to think of your actions today because it will impact tomorrow. If you are all against traditional cultures and tradition, then fine they may cease to exist tomorrow. Nomads will be wiped out because of your urge to become Westernized.

Like Solomon said, Africans have sold out their cultures for peanuts. A sad reality but true. Tomorrow your sons and daughters will be speaking foreign tongues over their own mother tongue. Africa will then be called New America or New Europe. Highly consider what you guys do when you mock tradition and those who seek to preserve it.

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Fulaman198(m): 1:42am On Sep 13, 2012
kengis:
Nice thread
Well said !
I hope you ain't muslim though

Religion should be irrelevant, whether I am a Muslim, Christian, "Pagan", Worshipper of Beto the sea God, etc. etc. it should not matter. All relgions dictate to treat others as equals. I don't discriminate against Christians or those of different beliefs, I would hope that Christians return me the same kind of respect.

I am very worried about African cultures and traditions dissappearing. As a Fulani man, this is the #1 thing talked about in all Fulani meetings all over Africa (KJPF - Kawtal Jangoobe Pulaar Fulfulde), the dissipation of African cultures in favour of European/Arab imposed cultures.

I can not forget that I am a 3rd generation settled Mbororo my grandfather was a true herdsman who did what he could for his family, I may not be as great of a man as him, but I won't give up on my people. The blood of the herdsman flows strong however, Westernized behaviour in Nigeria has stopped most Nigerian Fulani from cattle herding. As you have seen in recent events in Jos, they have relocated a lot of the Fulani people who are nomads and trying to maintain their culture. Many Fulani have since left Nigeria to Cameroon, Niger and Chad to continue their nomadic ways.

I am here for the preservation of African culture because at the rate Westerners want it and Westernized Africans want it, traditional culture will cease to exist in the next 50 years. Things like the Gerewol will no longer take place because Westerners and Westernized Africans think it is acceptable for traditional cultures to be removed. As long as their is breathe and life in this young body, I will not give up fighting for those who are proud to be African. The song I linked earlier talked about these problems in Africa, and wishes for an Africa with peace and unity.

As others who have lived before me, like Ali Farka Toure, Ahmadu Ahidjo, Thomas Sankara, Ahmadu Bello, Nnamdi Azikiwe, Abubukar Tafewa Balewa, heroes who have all passed, I will do what I can to live their dream as a young man, to bring peace throughout Africa, to help those cultures who wish to remain who they are, and not forced to concede into something they are not. The world is a harsh place and needs people to stand up for those who can not stand up for themselves. I will not disappoint my forefathers.

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Fulaman198(m): 1:43am On Sep 13, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


this map is flawed and deals with religions. you omitted entirely the Pagan Dayaks of Borneo and the Majapahit civilization. of the Malay archipelago.

It really is a flawed map, that one was drawn by most likely Americans, the one that JallowBah linked though was close to almost accurate.

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 1:47am On Sep 13, 2012
Fulaman198:

Religion should be irrelevant,

grin
Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 3:05am On Sep 13, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


this is the difference between me and you. i am not going their for personal gain. just to get a suitable base from where i can carryout my activities and funding.

But these western societies offer you these "suitable bases". Do you thank western society for that?

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Re: Nigerians And Other Africans Must Stop Bowing Down To Westerners And Middle East by Nobody: 3:07am On Sep 13, 2012
MsDarkSkin:

grin

Religion is stone age and is outdated...

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