Desola:


For as long as you continue being haughty and carry on with a delusion of superiority around this forum, you will always have me around to bring you down a peg or two. I would devote even more time to make damn sure of it.

Yes, I attacked you based on our previous encounter on another thread and confessed to doing so to another poster. Now, you are asking me to apologise for exercising my right to comment as I please? If the moderators deemed the said comment unworthy or so crass and uncouth as you have mentioned, it wouldn't still be sitting pretty on this thread, would it? I see no reason to apologise to you and non is forthcoming. Not in this lifetime, anyway.

I see that you are trying to kill this thread with your childish, loser whining so carry on. I can see that other sensible posters are paying you no mind and are carrying on with the discussion so no harm done.

Gbawe, you don't get into the ring with me and win especially when you are trying your best to subjugate. If you want trouble, i'll give it to you double!

Eran iya ni e, waa de je, wa j'ewe iya ma pelu.

Sky Blue:

Here are somethings to consider, this is a system that is used in some way in a good number of successful countries.

yeah it worked and working for them because there was a particular time in their national life when the sat down and discussed on how they would love to be governed, the structure they desire and terms of their togetherness. The one we earlier had have been forcefully taken from us.Besides we are different people, because it worked for them doesnt mean it will work for us. For example, they cherish gays, we dont


Another thing to consider is this - "Input -- Process -- Output". Two most important things in that basic but powerful cycle are input and process, get those right and output would be generally fine. In most cases (and this isn't different), the input to a process is the output to a previous process. Extrapolate to the nth degree.

Am not quite sure if i fully grasp what u are trying to say here but eh what input will come from a faulty basis. An input filled with malice, distrust, selfishness, grudge, bigotry of all sorts etc even with the best of process will still bring a gabage output.


Point three. A lot of the times the people largely get what they want. When fuel subsidy was removed people rose up. What else has united the country like that in this fourth republic?

Probably the selfish few politicians and power brokers. Most times, the vast majority dont. The subsidy u talked about inclusive. the people demanded a return back to status quo, did they get it? What eventually gets to the people are dejected crumbs which some will see and rejoice. i refuse to be a part.

I want you to consider these things before we delve deeper.

Actually, i have.

Akanbi_edu:

See another loser. You are interested in something that is everybody's right and yet you come to complain that another man(interested party) is blocking your way. Siddon there mumu. They will come and handover power to you in your mother's bedroom. When are you guys going to get it that people fight for power, nobody gives it.

How about starting your own political arrangement even a pressure group and fight like everybody is doing. The problem is you want it, but you don't want to take the risk.

When Tinubu was running Lagos without federal allocations for so many years, where were you people? Now the man managed the situation and came out strong with a solution that saw Lagos increased Lagos IGR from mere 600million to 18billion, all you shout is 10%. But you dunces whould not ask, where was the money? You are not even systemic enough to know that as the system gets better, you may even get 10% to 5% or 0%. But you'd rather cut off your nose to spite your face.

Katsumoto:

To be honest I am surprised at your personal attack. Can we not discuss the issues without resorting to name-calling, ad hominem attacks, and unnecessary personalization? I don't understand what you wrote above starting from Adete. Are you kind enough to translate? I apologize if my Yoruba is not that fluent.

Gbawe:

Joke of the year. Do we operate on the same wavelength? As if I limit myself to shouting "Jonasatan, Omo Igbo, okoro" et al throughout the forum. Foul-mouthed shrew, apologize or move on. Those are your options till I get bored. I have proven you are nothing but a disgrace to Yoruba women here. Nothing but a wretched, frustrated, cowardly wannabe bully who always lived in the biggest glass house yet revelled in throwing stones.

It is a isgrace that , on this well-read forum, you are the most vocal Yoruba female here conducting yourself in ways anathema to what Yorubas respect. You are nothing but a female tout.

Katsumoto: Gbawe and Desola,

Can I appeal to you both to please sheath your swords?

O ri ido bale ni mo wa?

Gbawe:

Dude, not good enough. You rightly identified where I wronged you here. What did I do if not apologize without reservation? Go to page one and view events. Then do what is not open to prevarication. You should simply ask her to apologize !!!!

You know who did wrong here !!! Why the blanket appeal? If people respect you for your intellect here, then that will ultimately be empty if they cannot discern a sense of consistent, dispassionate and neutral fair-play to go with that.

Ask her to apologize and move on. I have done no wrong here and I will deal with this silly shrew and her penchant for going around attacking everyone like a banshee from hell. There is a time and place for everything.

I don't need submissions from you that lets this uncouth cow off the hook. If you cannot apportion blame accordingly and in a fair manner, then please let issues carry on to wherever they will conclude.

Demdem:

Oga, i requested for ur opinion on an issue. kindly attend to it pls.

fagamite:

You cant speak Yoruba, simplicita. Because you are not Yoruba. . .

Adete = A paraplegic or someone with leprosy

Won o le fun wara = Meaning they cannot extract wara or make wara.

but won le ba wara je = However useless thay are, they are adept at contaminating the product of other people's 'wara' i.e. spoiling the work of others

PS: Wara, I think, is milk or something related to that.

Now, you really cant understand those words in isolation, you have to put them in the bigger context of the poster's message which is exactly what i have harped on over and over again on this forum; You are useless to out politics and people like you are at best armchair analysts detached from reality.

shymexx:

The bolded part is impressive!

I enjoyed reading everyone's contribution....

Katsumoto:

Demdem

I was away for a while, you do know people have jobs right? I will attend to your question.

Katsumoto:

Demdem

I was away for a while, you do know people have jobs right? I will attend to your question.

u are basically saying am jobless

Desola:

What is the issue that pains you exactly, Gbawe? Are you gored that I commented that Amosun has done 'nada' to which I unequivocally maintain that I would not apologise for that you believe that I go around aimlessly attacking others without provocation or is it the two together?

For all the wrongdoings you accuse me of, I can list more from you so why not just leave it, eh? I have maintained that I would not apologise to you and you have concluded that I am the 'she devil' so we are all winners. Why continue to whine?

Let this issue rest now and let this thread continue.

Ejiné:

Please shut up and kindly go back to beating off to underage hentai.
I know you do. Admit it!

Katsumoto:

Gbawe,

She insulted you and you responded in kind.

Do you think a 3rd party will ask one person to apologize to the other in the circumstance?

If you didn't respond in kind, I may have done that.

In any case, it is ok. You have a right to respond in any manner you deem necessary.

Lets go back to the topic being discussed.

naturalwaves:
I don't know Y U are so sturbborn and unrepentant.U keep on dribbling and dribbling around even though U know what He(Gbawe) is referring 2 ryt there on page 1 but U'v so much bcom an xpert at pretence and deceit such dat u gain cheap popularity with them.What a shame! Is this U 4 real or just ur online personality?

Demdem: Sky Blue:

Here are somethings to consider, this is a system that is used in some way in a good number of successful countries.

yeah it worked and working for them because there was a particular time in their national life when the sat down and discussed on how they would love to be governed, the structure they desire and terms of their togetherness. The one we earlier had have been forcefully taken from us.Besides we are different people, because it worked for them doesnt mean it will work for us. For example, they cherish gays, we dont grin


Another thing to consider is this - "Input -- Process -- Output". Two most important things in that basic but powerful cycle are input and process, get those right and output would be generally fine. In most cases (and this isn't different), the input to a process is the output to a previous process. Extrapolate to the nth degree.

Am not quite sure if i fully grasp what u are trying to say here but eh what input will come from a faulty basis. An input filled with malice, distrust, selfishness, grudge, bigotry of all sorts etc even with the best of process will still bring a gabage output.


Point three. A lot of the times the people largely get what they want. When fuel subsidy was removed people rose up. What else has united the country like that in this fourth republic?

Probably the selfish few politicians and power brokers. Most times, the vast majority dont. The subsidy u talked about inclusive. the people demanded a return back to status quo, did they get it? What eventually gets to the people are dejected crumbs which some will see and rejoice. i refuse to be a part.

I want you to consider these things before we delve deeper.

Actually, i have.

fagamite: ^^^

Desola, dont let fucktards distract you.

Keep your eye on the goal

Gbawe, not naturalwaves.

Demdem:

Kats i humbly request for ur opinion about how the bolded can be achieved. Do u think this can be done under this present structure successfully? or should i start by asking what u meant by that.

My opinion actually is this country really needs to be restructured because we have a very faulty foundation. One we didnt even bargain for but was imposed on us. i also believe the restructuring we so much desire cant be properly established in whatever way under this democratic setting and here i place my demand of SNC. i strongly believe this is the veiled call of Tinubu from his speech that gave rise to this thread.

Demdem:

u are basically saying am jobless

Demdem:

u are basically saying am jobless

Katsumoto:

Of course not, we are probably in different timezones and as such, you may be at lunch while I am on my way to work or just starting.

Abeg no vex o.

Gbawe:
Oga Shymexx the truth is out there even if many Nigerians, too feudalistic than is healthy, limit themselves to embracing and peddling lies. Read below to see Amosun's achievement including his laudable increase in IGR within a year. How many know that Ogun State now has a bus rapid transport scheme similar to that operating in Lagos? We have to criticise leaders but we must also make ourselves aware of what they are doing.

https://www.nairaland.com/1050126/2015-jonathan-pdp-fail-s-west

Gbawe:

Haba Katsumoto !!!! Guy come on. She was rightly chided by others for her incendiary antics !!! How can you say this?

So, let me get this right. A kid , without provocation, slaps your child and continues to punch him. Your child responds to defend himself and the other child begins writhing around on the ground. When the situation is explained to neutral adults, will they not simply adjudge the unprovoked attacker to be guilty without doubt?

Katsumoto, perhaps this is one of those situation where you are better off saying nothing. It is not good you are seen to be making such glaring errors of judgement when the situation is fairly easy to judge. Anyway, it is okay. Just leave issues and move on please.

Demdem:

u are basically saying am jobless

naturalwaves:
I don't know Y U are so sturbborn and unrepentant.U keep on dribbling and dribbling around even though U know what He(Gbawe) is referring 2 ryt there on page 1 but U'v so much bcom an xpert at pretence and deceit such dat u gain cheap popularity with them.What a shame! Is this U 4 real or just ur online personality?

fagamite:

Katsumoto, what do you do?

Sky Blue:

The inputs into a political process include among other things - people, idealogies, parties. Let us pick people for a moment. These people come from a context and part of what form of shape their thoughts include formal education, society, etc. Let us pick formal education for a moment. Education can be seen as a process. Inputs into this process includes people, ideas, a method or template for transferring those ideas, and a criteria or standard for gauging an understanding of those ideas which judges whether people that have gone in as an input into the process are good enough to come out and be input to other processes like government, businesses, civil society, etc. Does being literate mean one is educated? We could pull the thread further but hopefully you see where i am coming from. How many of those three or so processes i picked out as examples down the line run effectively? You CANNOT ignore THIS and say you want to build something that will last, it is what will differentiate between building something that lasts for five years, and a system that continuously improves itself. You NEED to think long term and stop treating the symptoms as causes.

Back to an earlier point you made. Democracy is not a purely western concept. The fundamentals of it has existed in one or two african societies I can think of before Eurpeans even got here. The key thinjg is the ESSENCE of democracy. The how you achieve it is different. Pointing out that other countries practise the particular system we use does not mean they all practise it exactly the same. For whatever reason we have been stuck with this particular way of practising it, but the good thing about the system is that it can be modified to reflect the values of the people that practise it. We can be a confederation of different units, a collection of states, etc. If you want a completely novel system then feel free to produce it, but the thing is, how feasible would it be to start from scratch considering the nature of such a fundamental change? We don't always have to reinvent the wheel to progress, there are different types of wheels for different purposes. Car tyres are different from bicycle tyres. Even between cars, a formula one racing tyre is different from that of a domestic car. The wheel was not reinvented for that, it was just modified to suit different purposes.

The major thing I agree with you on is the need for Nigeria to sit down and actually stop playing ostrich, but talk about what we want as a nation if we are to continue as one. This is important. Beyond that, I think we need to delve deeper to the heart of the matter

shymexx:

Personally, I don't really have a problem with ACN - I just want to see some welfare policies directed towards the indigeneous people in the states they govern(not all comers)...

Katsumoto:

I am a janitor at the United Nations.

fagamite:


Really? I work in midtown Manhattan. Wanna grab beer somewhere in midtown this weekend? Or you prefer Brooklyn? Brooklyn is cheaper. I am sure you know that!