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Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:14pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: Oh yeah, just like once upon a time the atom was the smallest particle, no? Oh,and go back and read your link again. If you had read it, you would not have posted it. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:16pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
plaetton: Still saying the same thing! |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by mkmyers45(m): 7:16pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
@Deep Sight I hope you remember our thread and the fact that not all observed events are caused... |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:17pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
mkmyers45: @Deep Sight I hope you remember our thread and the fact that not all observed events are caused... Give me an example of one single OBSERVED EVENT that you know has no cause. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 7:17pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight:when you say answer, what excactly do you expect? Scientific explanations or mere mental gymanstics? Opinion is the most abundant commodity there is. I could flood this market, I mean this thread with all sorts of wild opinions. I dont know how much that would help our discussions. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 7:19pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Then we are both saying the same things then? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:19pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
plaetton: Escapism. Answer the question. Fetch my quotes. Read them. Answer them. They were simple and clear questions. Anony also paraprahsed the question. Stop running. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:21pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: lol, they won't. they'd much rather ridicule Here it is again, Plaetton. Stop running. And remember the context - re: FSM. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 7:23pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Emotions and thoughts are chemical reactions. We feel the emotions. I am going to self-service soon. Blood will rush to my gbola and it will stand at a 60 degree slant. We can see (visualize) our thoughts in our brains. Regarding time, that is a great question. Almost knocked me out and debunked me there! Time itself doesnt exist but aspects of it do. It is a diffcult question to answer. Just google it and you will see that there are many websites ranging from physics to psychology asking if time exists. The rhythm, movement and effects of the progression of time are very tanginble but time itself is very intangible. That is my answer, Partialy yes and no. For once, you landed an intellectual blow, Deepsight, my respects! |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 7:23pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:Fair enough. In the same token, think of the color blue: Now please define that thought precisely in terms of tangibility: sight, smell, touch, feel, taste, measure and quantity. To properly convince us, please provide us with tangible evidence of that thought maybe video evidence of what the "thought of blue" looks like. If you cannot do that, then thought does not exist in your reality i.e. you are devoid of a mind. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:24pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Jayriginal's conundrum. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 7:26pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Blue is a shade isnt it. We can see it. Colours have something to do with light and reflection. I didnt study physics , I am reaching my limits. Kai na so God dey punish person? Anony is pushing me to the limits! I am partialy colour blind but I have trained myself to see orange, if i find the shade of red to be funny and a bit lighter 7/10 times it is orange. Howeer, people look at me as if i'm mad when I call an orange material brown. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by mkmyers45(m): 7:27pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight:I brought up virtual particles and you refuted it but did not go on to tell me what causes them..Remember that you said also that nothing can never exist which i showed to be not true.. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 7:28pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: It seems that you have not been reading my post. If you have , you would not be asking for the attributes of the first cause. If the permanent somethingness(your words) is eternal and uncaused(your view), then how in gods name(FSM) would there be a first cause with any attributes. How can you in one part of your mouth say eternal, uncaused cause, permanent somethinness, then , in another part of your mouth you are asking me for attributes of the first cause? Am I the only one seeing a contradiction here? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 7:28pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
plaetton: [/b]would you mind telling us your ponderings then? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:31pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: If you have studied visual illusions, you might be acquainted with the fact that what you see is not what is there. And this says alot. It says that that which is real can by no means be limited to our senses, as you earlier suggested. Even your partial color blindness says the same thing. For Jayriginal, I add this - observation still remains the tool of science nonetheless. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:32pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
plaetton: Because the universe demonstrably had a beginning. Material things are thus caused/created. Immaterial things such as eternity - which is what God is - are not. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 7:35pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
MacDaddy01:None of what you have said so far amounts to tangible evidence of a thought. I asked you to tell me the specific measurement of your thought of color blue or any thought at all if you like just be sure to tell us exactly what thought it is and what it's exact physical measurements are. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 7:37pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Mr Annony, If this is the best that you can do, then this is an Epic fail. There is a mathematical, molecular and geometric relationship between color and all the above. Grab your physics text book and read up on optics. It about numbers. Blue is justa certain wavelenght of energy, smell is a certain wavelenght of energy, taste and feel are related to molecular structure, which also may have a corresponding wavelenght of energy. So colour can indeed be reducable into tangible units of measurement, namely wavelength. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 7:39pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Visual illusions dont come in plain colours. The colour blue exists since we can see it. The problem is that our colour-seeing abilities are limited. Aparently, there are deep colours invisible to the naked eyes. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:41pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
plaetton: He has not said they don't exist. Get the logic right: he is proceeding from logicboy's statement that real things must be measurable and quantifiable. The colors you see - and much worse - the thought of those colors - are not. Is there any thought you have which you can extract, measure and quantify? In fact, there is nothing that you think that you can prove exists. Think on it. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 7:41pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: If 1 billion people say that facebook logo is blue and we can all testify to that. Who the hell are you to say that it doesnt exist? What did we observe? Satan playing tricks on us? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 7:42pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: The colours are measurable Epic fail. Reread his arguments again |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:43pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: Not at all, if i were to post here a simple visual illussion, you might find that the color blue ceases to exist - sensually. That's the issue. The fact that you limited real things to our senses. That is faulty, clearly. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:45pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: Please describe blue. And kindly remember that you cannot define a word using the same word. In other words you cannot point to the sky or facebook's logo,because i might be color blind and see it as red. So please go ahead and describe what blue is, thanks. Thank you. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 7:47pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Materials things are matter, which are aggregations of atomic particles, which aggregations of energy, which cannot be created nor destroyed, but can only change form or configuration. Therein lies your permanent somethingness. Energy. All roads lead to Rome, in this context, eternal and immutable Energy. Are we agreed , or am I still escaping? The universe was not created or conscioussly caused. No. The big B.ang occurred when energy reached a certain threshold and breached its equilibrium. All resulting motions thereafter are simple attempts, as required by the laws of physics, by a system to regain its original equilibrium |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:47pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
plaetton: WHAT! ! ! ! Is Plaetton same person as logicbloy ? ? ? ? ? ? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 7:48pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
plaetton:lol really? but in logicboy's world, numbers do not even exist. Anyway i didn't ask him for color, I asked him for the tangible measurement of the "thought of color blue." Let me give you your own assignment since you seem to share the same worldview as him. Now Plaetton, think of roast beef. Please be so kind as tell us the exact tangible units of measurement of that "roast beef thought". best evidence would be to provide us with the thought so that we can see it, taste it, touch it, smell it etc. Just hold the thought in your hand and take a picture if you may. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:49pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
plaetton: I have alrady explained to you that matter is mutable and as such could not be self existent. What triggered the big b ang please? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 7:50pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Visual illusions dont come in plain colours. They come in patterns to fool the brain because the brain forces itself to see patterns. |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:50pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Exactly. Can you oblige us, Plaetton? |
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 7:51pm On Sep 24, 2012 |
MacDaddy01: Exactly, so how do we know that the color of the facebook logo or the sky is not an illusion: since EVERYTHING we see has a pattern or backdrop, no? Are you aware that everything we see might as well be such? Do you know the reason you cannot walk through a wall? Do you know that its not because of the material particles forming the wall, but because of the motion and energy between the sub particles? So is a wall solid? In fact, do walls exist? |
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