@ Enigma and Frosbel,

Please, let's stop personal attack and insults. Let's handle the word with grace given unto us and be mature in our dealings/talking to one another. There is no need for insult and personal attack in order to teach the truth and lay down evidence. We are all adults, please. Thank you.

Goshen360:

Bros, when and how did I answer kweshion wif kweshion I have simply stated what the bible says and this is what I intend to defend. If we can PROVE the Father is God from the bible, Jesus God and the Holy Spirit God, then you will understand better at the end. The question of "How this, how that" will then be answered. You are not the first person that God will defile his/her logic - Mary had once asked, How can this be since I don't know a man? However, I will enter logic and scriptural debate with you when we start to prove the bible wrong. Again,

Does the Bible teach/says and calls the Father God?
Does the Bible teach/says and calls Jesus Christ God?
Does the Bible teach/says and calls the Holy Spirit God?

Okay , I promise to respond late this evening.

Trust me I am not like those dodgers who refuse to answer questions, and I do not mean you

BTW, did you manage to read those small pdf books I sent you.

frosbel:

Okay , I promise to respond late this evening.

Trust me I am not like those dodgers who refuse to answer questions, and I do not mean you

BTW, did you manage to read those small pdf books I sent you.

No shaking sir even if you meant me inclusive. I take that as a simile, not a metaphor . I haven't read the PDF document anyway but I will try read it immediately if ONLY it's NOT attacking Jesus as God and the Holy Spirit as God......

Hmmm, interesting that this thread is already dying and has been shunted to page two!

Anyway, one example of a thread where the issues are being addressed is https://www.nairaland.com/1068073/frosbel-jesus-christ-re-proposition

Enigma: Hmmm, interesting that this thread is already dying and has been shunted to page two!

Anyway, one example of a thread where the issues are being addressed is https://www.nairaland.com/1068073/frosbel-jesus-christ-re-proposition

The only reason the thread appears to be 'dying' is becos those it was addressed to (trinitarians) have not been able to summon up the courage to address the cold hard questions being raised the answers of which would show their trinity dogma to be a ridiculous, internally inconsistent and contradictory dogma.

Double post

Pastor Kun:

The only reason the thread appears to be 'dying' is becos those it was addressed to (trinitarians) have not been able to summon up the courage to address the cold hard questions being raised the answers of which would show their trinity dogma to be a ridiculous, internally inconsistent and contradictory dogma.

And the Trinitarians are taking them on in the form of Goshen360; he is enough for here.

So who was the last to promise to answer questions and where is he now? Look only three posts or so above.

You could of course choose to support him; if so join me on the other thread that I linked above.

Enigma:

And the Trinitarians are taking them on in the form of Goshen360; he is enough for here.

So who was the last to promise to answer questions and where is he now? Look only three posts or so above.

You could of course choose to support him; if so join me on the other thread that I linked above.

I have since discovered that my brother Goshen has problems with his definition of God, deity and divine being. It is this confusion that is mis leading him to believe the trinity dogma. Yes Jesus is God but he is not GOD almighty. The bible does not teach there is only one god since it acknowledges other lesser gods. What it teaches is that there is only one supreme G
od who is the father almighty that created the heavens and the earth. The fact that Jesus is referred to as God in a very few places in scripture does not equate him to the Father who is God over him.

^^^ The above is false and has been addressed on the other thread. If you want to pursue it further, join me on the other thread.

I leave Goshen360 to handle matters here. Afterall, the questions he asked have not been answered despite the promise to address them.

Pastor Kun:

I have since discovered that my brother Goshen has problems with his definition of God, deity and divine being. It is this confusion that is mis leading him to believe the trinity dogma. Yes Jesus is God but he is not GOD almighty. The bible does not teach there is only one god since it acknowledges other lesser gods. What it teaches is that there is only one supreme G
od who is the father almighty that created the heavens and the earth. The fact that Jesus is referred to as God in a very few places in scripture does not equate him to the Father who is God over him.

Brilliant stuff !!

the coward has taken us off on a tangent , and refused to answer ONE question posed to HIM on this thread !

Enigma: ^^^ The above is false and has been addressed on the other thread. If you want to pursue it further, join me on the other thread.

I leave Goshen360 to handle matters here. Afterall, the questions he asked have not been answered despite the promise to address them.

Enigma, i am gradually becoming afraid of you o!

What is the false hood in the words of pastor kunle below?

Pastor Kun:

I have since discovered that my brother Goshen has problems with his definition of God, deity and divine being. It is this confusion that is mis leading him to believe the trinity dogma. Yes Jesus is God but he is not GOD almighty. The bible does not teach there is only one god since it acknowledges other lesser gods. What it teaches is that there is only one supreme G
od who is the father almighty that created the heavens and the earth. The fact that Jesus is referred to as God in a very few places in scripture does not equate him to the Father who is God over him.

is it that those are not a consistent bible teaching?

pls, Enigma, i want you to point out where in that statement that is false?

If you dont, it may align you as a liar, dont you think so?

We are waiting please.

^^^ I've already been called a "liar" and several things beside. But you and I have been discussing these things on the other thread, so you know where to meet me.

Laughing in tongues.......OR tongues too is unbiblical

Goshen360:

Bros, when and how did I answer kweshion wif kweshion I have simply stated what the bible says and this is what I intend to defend. If we can PROVE the Father is God from the bible, Jesus God and the Holy Spirit God, then you will understand better at the end. The question of "How this, how that" will then be answered. You are not the first person that God will defile his/her logic - Mary had once asked, How can this be since I don't know a man? However, I will enter logic and scriptural debate with you when we start to prove the bible wrong. Again,

Does the Bible teach/says and calls the Father God?
Does the Bible teach/says and calls Jesus Christ God?
Does the Bible teach/says and calls the Holy Spirit God?

The Trinity is a Brainwashometer

The trinity is therefore a 'Brainwashometer'. If the victim is prepared to believe that one is three and that a father is his own son and that a son is uncreated, then he is prepared to believe anything at all and so he is fully brainwashed. Once he is in this condition, his logic is removed, his objectivity has gone, he is mentally defenceless, so he or his family can be pumped for money, sex, status, worship, whatever the priest wants.

So by making the trinity doctrine the central doctrine of the Roman Catholic faith, that church was auto selecting brainwashed people. The control freak only wants brainwashed people. He cannot permit free thinkers to enter the congregation, they might see through his little game and liberate his brainwashed victims. It is a pleasure to be able to reveal the truth behind this despicable mind game that the Roman Catholic Church has relied on for 1700 years.

http://www.biblecodeintro.com/intro39.html

frosbel:


Brilliant stuff !!

are you saying that Jesus is God?

Image123:
are you saying that Jesus is God?

Is he ?

frosbel:

Is he ?

Frosbel, why are you dodging those questions. Abi your spiritual stamina don finish ni .......Abeg answer even if na just two you fit answer. Here are the questions again:

Does the Bible teach/says and calls the Father God?
Does the Bible teach/says and calls Jesus Christ God?
[s]Does the Bible teach/says and calls the Holy Spirit God?[/s].....let me even leave the third kweshion out for now so we don't complicate issue. Abeg Frosbel, help me answer the rest two. Thank you.

Enigma:


You are a shameless fraud and a quite confused and intellectually bereft person.

Let me show you an example of how daft you can be:

You wrote only two days ago that (a) "there is something very personal about the Holy Spirit" and (b) that the Holy Spirit "IS GOD". https://www.nairaland.com/1067552/proposition-theological-debate/4#12464784

Yet you are unable to see that you are contradicting yourself when copying and pasting your second set of questions from any Johnny or mumu on the Internet ----- without even thinking about what you are copying and pasting as below.

Enigma: I have deliberately chosen not to get involved in this thread.

However, just because frosbel has been hounding me on various other threads about it and even directing jibes at me let me point a couple of things out. {EDIT I see he even called me a "coward" on this thread. }

As ever, the questions in the opening post are of course not frosbel's questions as anyone who knows him should know. See the questions as lifted word for word from this site http://www.faithworksministries.org/user/pentecostal/biblicalstudies/questionstrinity.htm



In any event of course, the questions have been addressed on various threads on this Nairaland.

Above all, this same frosbel keeps opening thread after thread on the same topic --- usually with copy and paste material that he does not even understand and has not even thought about carefully. Critically, once he is cornered he will run away or pretend not to see the question that has stumped him or "promise" to give an answer later but never return to the point.

There are several examples but here just one.

https://www.nairaland.com/1067552/proposition-theological-debate/5#12466216

Here, he said the Holy Spirit is "personal" and IS GOD but Jesus is only a mere man; he was then asked how Jesus, a mere man, has now gone to heaven and from there sent GOD to earth (a mere man is sending God); and how the Holy Spirit is "personal". He has since fled and now opened this thread!