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Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by T9ksy(m): 12:06am On Oct 12, 2012 |
Wily+Wily: And what mission did adewale failed to accomplished? Who was tasked to kill Ironsi? |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by nwzaion: 12:11am On Oct 12, 2012 |
Here are the names and tribes of the plotters of January 15, 1966 military coup. 1. Maj. Adewale Ademoyega (Yoruba) author of "Why We Struck". 2. Capt. G. Adeleke (Yoruba). 3. Lt. Fola Oyewole (Yoruba) author of "The Reluctant Rebel". 4. Lt. R. Egbiko (Ishan). 5. Lt. Tijani Kastina (Hausa Fulani). 6. Lt O. Olafemiyan(Yoruba). 7. Capt Gibson Jalo (Bali). 8. Capt. J. Swanton (Middle Belt). 9. Lt. Hope Haris Eghagha (Urhobo). 10. Lt. Dag Warribor (Ijaw). 11. 2nd Lt. Saleh Dambo (Hausa). 12. 2nd Lt. John Atom Kpera (Tiv). 13. Maj. Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu (Delta Igbo). 14. Ifeajuna (Igbo). From the list above how can someone termed the coup Igbo coup. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by WilyWily5: 12:15am On Oct 12, 2012 |
T9ksy:The mission of those stationed in Lagos was to capture lagos but they failed, so Adewale and co did not handle their responsibilities well. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by nwzaion: 12:18am On Oct 12, 2012 |
Here are the names and tribes of the plotters of January 15, 1966 military coup. 1. Maj. Adewale Ademoyega (Yoruba) author of "Why We Struck". 2. Capt. G. Adeleke (Yoruba). 3. Lt. Fola Oyewole (Yoruba) author of "The Reluctant Rebel". 4. Lt. R. Egbiko (Ishan). 5. Lt. Tijani Kastina (Hausa Fulani). 6. Lt O. Olafemiyan(Yoruba). 7. Capt Gibson Jalo (Bali). 8. Capt. J. Swanton (Middle Belt). 9. Lt. Hope Haris Eghagha (Urhobo). 10. Lt. Dag Warribor (Ijaw). 11. 2nd Lt. Saleh Dambo (Hausa). 12. 2nd Lt. John Atom Kpera (Tiv). 13. Maj. Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu (Delta Igbo). 14. Ifeajuna (Igbo). From the list above how can someone termed the coup Igbo coup.[color=#550000][/color] |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by dayokanu(m): 1:01am On Oct 12, 2012 |
nwzaion: Here are the names and tribes of the plotters of January 15, 1966 military coup. 1. Maj. Adewale Ademoyega (Yoruba) author of "Why We Struck". 2. Capt. G. Adeleke (Yoruba). 3. Lt. Fola Oyewole (Yoruba) author of "The Reluctant Rebel". 4. Lt. R. Egbiko (Ishan). 5. Lt. Tijani Kastina (Hausa Fulani). 6. Lt O. Olafemiyan(Yoruba). 7. Capt Gibson Jalo (Bali). 8. Capt. J. Swanton (Middle Belt). 9. Lt. Hope Haris Eghagha (Urhobo). 10. Lt. Dag Warribor (Ijaw). 11. 2nd Lt. Saleh Dambo (Hausa). 12. 2nd Lt. John Atom Kpera (Tiv). 13. Maj. Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu (Delta Igbo). 14. Ifeajuna (Igbo). From the list above how can someone termed the coup Igbo coup.[color=#550000][/color] Have you considered an alternative career in comedy? Okotie-Eboh, Akintola, Balewa, Bello were killed. Okotie-Eboh was killed by Anuforo Akintola was killed by Nwobosi Bello was killed by Nzeogwu Balewa was killed by Ifeajuna Maimalari was killed by Ifeajuna Ademulegun was shot and killed by Onwuatuegwu Shodeinde was shot and killed by Onwuatuegwu Now can you tell us who these Yoruba, Northerners and Non Igbos killed? |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by amor4ce(m): 1:04am On Oct 12, 2012 |
I hope Ozodi Osuji writes soon about Achebe and his controversial book Thursday, 26 July 2012 23:13 [size=18pt]Are Igbos This Stupid?[/size] Written by Ozodi Osuji Ph.D Ozodi Osuji July 26, 2012 http://chatafrik.com/articles/nigerian-affairs/item/1065-are-igbos-this-stupid?.html |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by nwzaion: 2:35am On Oct 12, 2012 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihrJB7Lmx9I YOURUBA/ HAUSA/ FULANI AGAINST IGBOS |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by nwzaion: 2:40am On Oct 12, 2012 |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by amor4ce(m): 4:37am On Oct 12, 2012 |
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Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by dayokanu(m): 6:24am On Oct 12, 2012 |
Thanks for that piece. I just laugh at Igbos in their ignorance. Let them start a war and see what happens. The SS detest them, Middle belters cant stand them, Ijaws hate them, Ikwerre reject them , Edo ppl , Yorubas only manage to put up with them Hausas cant wait to kill them all off 1 Like |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by WilyWily5: 10:53am On Oct 12, 2012 |
dayokanu: Thanks for that piece.You are great lier, Yorubas are the greatest fraudulent liers and wicked of all black race, You said Ijaws hate Igbos, but Yorubas conspired with Hausa/Fulani North to steal the oil wealth of Ijawland, leaving real owners to die in poverty, is that the Yoruba love for Ijaw. Remember how Awolowo and Yoruba Obas persauded Benjamin Adekunle to kill Ijaw son Issac Boro for doing them Nothing , that is another Yoruba love for Ijaw. Have you forgotten when Ijaws were protesting the exploitation of their Land by parasite Yorubas and dirty stinking Haus/Fulani North, instead of Yorubas help them, Yoruba Obas/elites secretly told their Obasanjo to wipe out entire Odi people, that is another Yoruba love for Ijaw. 1 Like |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by nku5: 11:51am On Oct 12, 2012 |
Very funny, that bit about the vatican army. Let's not simplify scenarios just to make a point. Archbishop Makarios was in nigeria in capacity as Head of State to attend the comonwealth heads of state conference and was a house guest of Michael Okpara when the coupists struck. Makarios was representing his country, Cyprus! He reportedly stood between Okpara and the armed men and swore that he would rather die or be abducted along with Okpara. Consider the implications and devastating diplomatic crisis that would have occurred if Makarios had been shot. The coupists must have considered this in letting okpara live for that day. Katsumoto: |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Nobody: 12:41pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
amor4ce: Taken from NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com Quiet a touching story....I will feel the same way if I were in his shoes. Iboz....there you have it! |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Katsumoto: 1:18pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
nku5: Very funny, that bit about the vatican army. Let's not simplify scenarios just to make a point. Archbishop Makarios was in nigeria in capacity as Head of State to attend the comonwealth heads of state conference and was a house guest of Michael Okpara when the coupists struck. Makarios was representing his country, Cyprus! He reportedly stood between Okpara and the armed men and swore that he would rather die or be abducted along with Okpara. You are trying hard to be naive. I suppose they also guessed that international commentators wouldn't have been concerned about two pregnant women being shot with their husbands. They don't have to kill the Archbishop, they just need to push him aside or look him up in a room. The actors in question were young fit soldiers; I don't think the Archbishop was a blackbelter in Brazilian jiujitsu. In any case, since the Archbishop managed to overpower trained fit soldiers, they all proceeded to have tea and live happily thereafter. 2 Likes |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by mpumalanga: 1:58pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
For those getting unnecessary hard on because of Achebe revelation, i think they should relax because the crisis in the country will create the space for everyone to decide if AWO was right or wrong.What should be in the minds of the anti-Achebe groups that gloats and celebrates over the massacre of women of and children is that there will never be any collaboration with any group in order to resurrect the country but we will continue enjoy what ever they achieve, while at the same time working out our Jerusalem with fear and trembling as we expect to work out theirs. The many years of such inhuman cover up shows that people are wasting their time being in one country but it seems that some groups of humans are incapable of innovating changes in any situation but will rather prefer to die in that.Achebe should dig deep again and tell us about the man that suggested to mix food with cyanide and send it into BIAFRA. The world loves Achebe for revealing African version of HITLER but some have the right to protect their OWN but, they are in the minority. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Nobody: 2:08pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Katsumoto: That tells you the ridiculous level some people are trying and will keep trying to justify the non-killing of Igbo leaders...ridiculous reasons I must confess. They are heaping everything on luck...coincidence and happenstance. Real funny! Tomakint is really trying to come across as an intelligent guy....but then his arguments are terribly weak at best or downright mischievous ( the latter am inclined to agree more with) because they are based on faulty premises and conjectures that always sound like village square tales. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Katsumoto: 2:49pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ilugunboy: What I find annoying is the constant whining about being victims by some Igbo sons. None of the major ethnic groups in Nigeria is without sin. Juxtapose the constant whining of Ndigbo with the frustrating silence of the Efik/Ibibio people who suffered with Igbo for the sins of the Igbo. During the pogroms, Efik/Ibibio people were killed. Efik/Ibibio fought with and died with Ndigbo during the war. There was no Efik/Ibibio coup plotter in January 1966. They didn't benefit from Ironsi's restructuring of the federation. When Zik left Lagos and returned to the East after the 1951 election, he took the position of Eyo Ita who was Efik/ibibio. How many times has an Efik/Ibibio opened a thread about that incident? All groups take their medicine like grown folks except the 'victims'. The freaking irony of all these is that most of the problems in Nigeria were caused by the Igbo 1. It was Igbo that wanted Nigeria at all costs. Awo and Bello didn't but Bello accepted as long as he was allowed to lead. Fair point and good strategy 2. It was Igbo who organized the first coup and truncated the nascent democracy. 3. It was Igbo who killed everyone but their own 4. It was Igbo who gave Nigeria the unitary system of government (Ironsi's decree 34) 5. It was Igbo who cancelled compulsory tests in Hausa in the North because they wanted to export civil servants (Ojukwu's words), which fueled anti-igbo sentiments in the North 6. It was Igbo who went to war because Ojukwu didn't want the head of state to appoint or fire regional governors. If there was no coup or decree 34, regional leaders would have been elected by their constituents I take no pleasure in highlighting these but I detest the sanctimonious whining. You are not innocent, learn to accept the consequences of your actions. All the respect in the world to Efik/Ibibio folks. 1 Like |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by T9ksy(m): 3:11pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Wily+Wily: Abegi, don't move the goal post jo! No one was asked to take Lagos but Ifeajuna was tasked with the Lagos side of the operation and he it was who failed to get ironsi, the most likely person to foil the coup. Major DO Okafor and Captain Oji were tasked with killing Brig. Mia-malari at his house at no. 11 Thompson Avenue, Ikoyi. Unfortunately, they bungled it up and the brig. escaped through the boy's quarters and into the street. Maj. Okafor was furious and went looking for mai-malari, ordering all present that the Brigadier must be shot on sight. He then jumped into the landrover driven by L/Cpl Noji. He informed 2/Lt Igweze that he was going to get "that man" and to arrange for more troops to come to the Brigadier's House. Luckily, Ifeajuna saw the Brig. Mia-malari walking towards the ikoyi hotel and accompanied by 2/Lt Ezedigbo went towards the Brigadier and killed him. Seems to me that Mia-malari HAD to die but ironsi didn't matter. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Nobody: 3:15pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
In all seriousness, non-igbo Nigerians calling for the Biafran war to forgotten and erased from Nigerian history will do well to remember this: The more something is suppressed, the more crucial it is to have that something said. Obviously, this subject is much more critical than many think. I can only hope that the renewed interest in this topic will lead to significantly more field research and intelligenstia-led discourse. But knowing Nigeria and how quick we are to suffocate topics we are uncomfortable with "hope" is the operative word here. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Nobody: 3:35pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
nnenna.1: Well....I don't think any one in his/her senses will say the issues about the war should be forgotten.....what some of us are having problem with is the proportion of the blame game unfairly been ascribed to one region...the West. In the events leading to the war....during the war and after the war every actors from the different regions have their own fair share of the blame of which with the luxury of hindsight that we now enjoy, they would have done things differently. To me that is the irreducible minimum expectation...and not painting the Igbos as saints or one hand or victims on the other and calling the Yoruba and Hausas all sort of names. Until Iboz accept their own faults in the events cumulative to the war...nobody will take them serious. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by nku5: 5:23pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Ha ha. I'm not trying as hard to be naïve as u are trying to be funny by spinning as many jokes as u can out of my post. I repeat Archbishop Makarios III was the president of cyprus and was a house guest to Okpara when the coupists came callng and they lost their nerve at the import of harming the man. Of course a biased mind will always find a way to "connect the dots". Katsumoto: |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by tomakint: 7:12pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Trust me katz, in as much you master your history well (i am talking of historical events has it happened in the real sense, although not on political matters)you have clearly shown your disdain for the Igbo people and that on most occasions bellied most of the sacrosanct points you try to pass across. I am a Yoruba man like you, unfortunately, I belong to the 'Liberal Group' and not the 'Typical group' where you belong! Most of your commentaries are filled with sophistries, most times diverting attention (of those who are not smart enough to know). Say it for once that you hate the igbos with a passion, I will understand you better! 1 Like |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by tomakint: 7:16pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
kingoflag: @tomakint, why dont you do yourself a favor; go on a 6month hiatus from NL, read virtually everything you can lay your hands on about Nigeria from inception, then come back to debate because its clear you dont even have an idea what is going on. Its not about sentiments, or common sense, its about FACTS! Who is this? You must have mistaken me for somebody else, not even the “Esteemed Katz” will talk to me like that. Ok Mr Factopedia, let’s have the FACTS! You came from no where and the next thing “Tomakint should go on hiatus for 6 months”. Are you trying to be a clown or what?, you sure do know more than Chinua Achebe, Wole Soyinka and many other ‘voices’ that were against the unfortunate war and not only that but saw the hidden motives of the ‘core North’ to wipe out an entire race. I suggest before you go on your ‘hiatus’ peruse through all my posts on this hotly-debated topic and get back to me. Please if you know you can’t offer anything stay on the sidelines my friend and stop waffling, it’s too early for that. Don’t make me lose my cool on you, I am enjoying the debates with Katsumoto, Dayokanu, Ayobase and the likes (even though I don’t agree with most of their assertions and vice versa). If those against Ojukwu are leaving out the main issue that led to the war (continuous killing of the Igbos and no one is doing anything to curb it, and to add insults upon injury Gowon created 12 states in order to emasculate a race that had been emasculated already, thereby ceding Port Harcourt to the newly created state, Rivers against the demand of the Igbo leaders) then what’s the point of moving round in a wide circle. If Gowon had kept to the agreement that was reached at Aburi, do you think Ojukwu will still go ahead with the war? Many of these have been dealt with on my recent posts on this thread (before going on your hiatus, try to read through them) the only or probably few disagreements I am having with Katz and co was the moral justifications in killing some people from a particular tribe while sparing some from another tribe despite the facts that they were all accused of the same crimes. Please mr kingofflag or whatever your name is if you don’t have any FACTS you want to submit, keep quiet and watch! |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by dayokanu(m): 7:17pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
tomakint: A good start would be for you to refute his points I dont agree with katsumoto regarding the Awolowo issue, Infact I am an Akintola person. But in this issue you are yet to refute any of the claims made that the Ibos were the initial agressors and the brought us to the ruins we are currently. I know Akintolas stand on Ibos and I am in full support of it. I have asked you since yesterday "The gross corruption was by Sardauna and the Ibo politicians were saints with halo on their head?. Thats a new one. Do you know what was said about Azikwe regarding corruption during that time? Ironsi lucky to escape, Okpara lucky to escape, Azikwe(Ifeajunas uncle) lucky to escape, Osadebey lucky to escape, All the Ibo Federal Ministers lucky to escape. But all non Ibos were the unlucky ones. Honestly let me ask you, How does that sound to you? Barbaric? Really? If you perform a barbaric act, you expect the other side to respond with decorum? You must be having a laugh." |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Ngodigha: 7:20pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
tomakint:Thanks, no one reckons with his silly posts anymore. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by tomakint: 7:21pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
dayokanu: Contrary to Katz. I am of the opinion that the reactions were FULLY JUSTIFIED. Are you a 'born psychopath' or a 'trained psychopath'? |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by dayokanu(m): 7:25pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
tomakint: I learnt to differentiate idealism from realism. Or I learnt from the Ibos those who went to kill our grandfathers on their bed while sparing theirs Like I said earlier, you are free to refute any of those points |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by tomakint: 7:30pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
dayokanu: You still don't get it do you, no reasonable igbo man will consider Zik a son, there are many myths surrounding his identity in case you don't know. I have never for once justified any killing and sparing of a particular people over another, I think by now that should be behind us, well as an Akintola person (I now understand you better, 'demo ni mowa, boroju mi, o ri nu mi demo ni mowa) we will defintely have every reason to disagree, because I am a big fan of AWO, I see the Akintola Group as traitors to be avoided! |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Katsumoto: 7:30pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
tomakint: Thank you for classifying me even though I have never stated my race, nationality, or ethnic group. There are many points that I can bring to debates on NL but I leave out because they are hearsay or points shared in confidence. I prefer to rely on what is publicly available by way of books, articles, etc. If a neutral party reviews the debate you and I have had, they will observe that you have been trying to use personal characterizations to counter my argument from the start. I would have preferred it if you had tried to counter the facts presented with facts of your own rather than opinions but you are entitled to your own opinion and assessment. I guess we have to leave it at that. |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by dayokanu(m): 7:37pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
tomakint: I get it now, The killing of Akintola, Bello, Balewa etc should be behind us now but the retaliatory killings that happened a few months after should still be in public discussion. I love how you have different standard for issues. The People who lost loved ones to Ibo soldiers should get over it, But the Ibos who lost loved ones should not get over it. tomakint: well as an Akintola person (I now understand you better, 'demo ni mowa, boroju mi, o ri nu mi demo ni mowa) we will defintely have every reason to disagree, because I am a big fan of AWO, I see the Akintola Group as traitors to be avoided! Thats where you got it wrong, Akintola was never a man to hide his opinion about issues, He does not like Ibos and he said it openly. I have heard youtube audio where he spent almost an hour talking about it. That could be one of the reasons Ibos saw him as an obstacle that needed to be killed. Thankfully Akintola has a "nephew" in Adekunle who would revenge in the ratio of 1 to 100,000 Omode tobu iroko to bojuwo eyin se komo pe oojo ko ni oluwere npani 2 Likes |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by jidestar: 7:40pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Igbo awon oloshi won ti bere ooooo! Achebe is in America and won't be in Niaja once it starts. A war dat happen in the 1960s people want to use it to justify their bigotry. foolish people. 1 Like |
Re: Achebe On Awolowo: Has He Gone Too Far? by Ngodigha: 7:49pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
jidestar: Igbo awon oloshi won ti bere ooooo! Achebe is in America and won't be in Niaja once it starts. A war dat happen in the 1960s people want to use it to justify their bigotry. foolish people.Monkey, just say yes or no, Have you read Prof Achebe's memoirs recently published by Penguin?. |
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