Three distinguished yoruba men I will forever listen to are

Gani

Wole soyinka

Fela

Even if they lie to me. I will accept it as the truth cuz they have proved themselves in different ways

We have to accept that there was genocide before and during the war.
Those that were involved shuld be prosecuted .every angle shuld be critcally investigated(ojukwu is not exempted)

Gowon doesnot need to be investigated ,actually that man is sick. He shuld be arreted immediately for his stewpid utterance



Finally we igbo shuld go back to the drawing board.as we can see here ,we have too many enemies .I will not blame them cuz a lot of factors might have caused it .we shuld start getting it right. Honestly we all know that an igbo man can do anything for money which is not right. We have to change that get rich syndrome

We preach luv ,but we don't practice it .I wus born and bred in lagos,when I discoverd myself I started asking myself this question "what are we igbos doing in lagos for gudness sake ". We live in a land filled with hate .its clear, the hand writng has been written on the wall a long time ago
We shuld retrace our steps and back home to invest

Presently I live in owerri and am enjoying every day of my life here ,before I came back I never knew we had a clean,well tared roads in owerri ,constant power supply ,well spaced houses etc. And we decided to jampack ourselves in lagos. Somebody told me about enugu state. That its more beatiful

Umu nnem orne wutem too much, am typing with anya mmiri on my eyes men. Umu nnem emecha ogadicha nma o, ndia akparigo anye too much.

Soyinka said there was genocide before the war. Let's assumed it's true (it's an exaggeration to start with)

1. The question is simple.Who committed the genocide? Awolowo who was in prison could not have committed genocide right in prison. Soyinka has added nothing new to this debate. What Soyinka called genocide was the pogrom that followed Igbo coup of 1966. The North reacted by dealing with some Igbo up there. Nothing more.

2. Can Soyinka comment on the civil war proper with unassailable authoritativeness? Not likely. He was imprisoned for the better part of the war. His views, if any, would be based on discussions(slanted or otherwise) with actors or inferences drawn largely from reading on the war.

3.Can Achebe write with unassailable authoritativeness? Not likely. He was part of the propaganda machinery of the defeated Biafra and no matter what, his predetermined prejudices would color his views. You can not pretend to be writing an objective narratives of a war you were the chief propagandist for one side.

The only materials, narratives that can be taken on face value are those of independent writers which have overwhelmingly castigated Ojukwu for the calamity visited on Igbo during the war.

Another person that shuld be tatooed on my skin is fela. I respect that man so much. All what we are experiencing right now in naija ,fela said it .

To my igbo brotha in the house ,where ever u are ,what ever u do be positive ,keep ur hands clean.there is reward for hardwork so shun kidnapping,419,stealing ,cheating etc. Work for ur money maka unu ma na ndi ilo ghe ji ajo ihe umu igbo ne me wey na mu anyi amu.

You just got sucked into ibo mind bending game. I don't even know why you guys take these clowns seriously. I don't get into any serious debate with them, I just clown and make fun of them. These are people with serious case of low self esteem and insecurity. just look at what the post and the mundane nonsense they get obsessed with. They are eternally messed up mentally. What's the difference between ashebe and the ones on NL? Nothing, the mentality is the same.

Look "charcoal chimp" any time you see an Igbo guy make all those your fun, try and see, on the internet you are all brave and full of bravado, while in real life omo ajeokuta mamomi is your biggest nightmare, you charcoal chimp race don't know the pit you are digging for yourselves, every one is starting to see through you, what an ugly loud mouth race.

Prof Corruption: Soyinka said there was genocide before the war. Let's assumed it's true (it's an exaggeration to start with)

1. The question is simple.Who committed the genocide? Awolowo who was in prison could not have committed genocide right in prison. Soyinka has added nothing new to this debate. What Soyinka called genocide was the pogrom that followed Igbo coup of 1966. The North reacted by dealing with some Igbo up there. Nothing more.

2. Can Soyinka comment on the civil war proper with unassailable authoritativeness? Not likely. He was imprisoned for the better part of the war. His views, if any, would be based on discussions(slanted or otherwise) with actors or inferences drawn largely from reading on the war.

3.Can Achebe write with unassailable authoritativeness? Not likely. He was part of the propaganda machinery of the defeated Biafra and no matter what, his predetermined prejudices would color his views. You can not pretend to be writing an objective narratives of a war you were the chief propagandist for one side.

The only materials, narratives that can be taken on face value are those of independent writers which have overwhelmingly castigated Ojukwu for the calamity visited on Igbo during the war.

+1

I am ekt_bear, and I approve this message

shymexx:

^^^^He was talking about what happened BEFORE the war, THE POGROMS, not what happened during the war...

Why do you guys like quoting people out of context to suit your stupidity? Don't drag him into this nonsense...

Learn how to read BASIC English next time, OP...

so what led to the Biafran struggle is irrelevant to you but only what occurred when they were forced back into this cesspool of a nation?

you my friend need to be neutered.

shymex i think you are r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d

Prof Corruption: Soyinka said there was genocide before the war. Let's assumed it's true (it's an exaggeration to start with)

1. The question is simple.Who committed the genocide? Awolowo who was in prison could not have committed genocide right in prison. Soyinka has added nothing new to this debate. What Soyinka called genocide was the pogrom that followed Igbo coup of 1966. The North reacted by dealing with some Igbo up there. Nothing more.

2. Can Soyinka comment on the civil war proper with unassailable authoritativeness? Not likely. He was imprisoned for the better part of the war. His views, if any, would be based on discussions(slanted or otherwise) with actors or inferences drawn largely from reading on the war.

3.Can Achebe write with unassailable authoritativeness? Not likely. He was part of the propaganda machinery of the defeated Biafra and no matter what, his predetermined prejudices would color his views. You can not pretend to be writing an objective narratives of a war you were the chief propagandist for one side.

The only materials, narratives that can be taken on face value are those of independent writers which have overwhelmingly castigated Ojukwu for the calamity visited on Igbo during the war.

+100

End of Discussion!!

NINETOFIVE:

Look "charcoal chimp" any time you see an Igbo guy make all those your fun, try and see, on the internet you are all brave and full of bravado, while in real life omo ajeokuta mamomi is your biggest nightmare, you charcoal chimp race don't know the pit you are digging for yourselves, every one is starting to see through you, what an ugly loud mouth race.

Typical ibo clown and a good example of the clowns I was talking about. Low self esteem and lack of self worth losers....

re@lchange:


show me one yoruba in nairaland that condemns the pogroms
even your top posters here like katsumoto and the like justify it

We the Yoruba condemn the pogroms against Ndigbo in the North. We also condemn the killing of First Republic leaders and the consequent jubilation by Igbo traders in the North.

re@lchange:


the man was in jail during the war
he became a prisoner of conscience who supported biafras cause
you want him to spell it out for you
so that you awoists extremists will way -lay him and kill him in ijebu igbo
nice try!

nice but nobody can kill Kongi. He Is a spirit!

SOYINKA and ACHEBE can go to hell!!
they're both fools in my opinion. this thread goes to show that winning international award doesn't make you intelligent or a genius.
I've lost my respect for those two.

It was a freaking war. what do you expect. There was clearly an option to surrender.
Why not go ahead and call WWI and WWII genocides. over 50 million souls were lost in both wars.

to me, the biafran deaths were suicides, not genocide! The biafrans chose to die rather than surrender. that's suicide.

Soyinka breaks silence, says BIAFRA (Igbos) SUFFERED GENOCIDE during civil war

By News Express on 16/10/2012Views: 696For weeks, many people have wondered where Nobel Laureate Prof. Wole Soyinka stands on the accusation of genocide against Igbos by the Nigerian Government during the 1967-70 civil war leveled by Prof. Chinua Achebe in his war memoir, There Was A Country.Well, Soyinka (shown in photo) has finally spoken his mind and, interestingly, he agrees with Achebe that Biafrans, the bulk of whom were Igbos, were victims of genocide during the war. In an interview he granted Britain’s authoritativeTelegraph, the Nobel Prize winner described Biafrans as “people who’d been abused, who’d undergone genocide, and who felt completely rejected by the rest of the community, and therefore decided to break away and form a nation of its own.”In the interview published last Friday, the interviewer Peter Godwin asked: “Professor Soyinka, you’re not an ivory-tower kind of writer. You are not a stranger to danger, and in fact you’ve been imprisoned on at least two occasions, once in solitary confinement. Can you tell me what that was like?”Soyinka’s reply: “Writing in certain environments carries with it an occupational risk. When I was imprisoned, without trial, it was as a result of a position I took as a citizen. Of course I used my weapon, which was writing, to express my disapproval of the (Biafran) civil war into which we were about to enter. These were people who’d been abused, who’d undergone genocide, and who felt completely rejected by the rest of the community, and therefore decided to break away and form a nation of its own. Unfortunately, the nature of my imprisonment meant that I couldn’t practise my trade because I was in solitary confinement for 22 months out of the 27, and I was deprived of writing material. So I had to somehow break through the barriers, smuggle in toilet paper, cigarette paper, scribble a few poems, pass messages outside. I was able to undertake exercises to make sure that I emerged from prison intact mentally.”The interview, which centred of Soyinka’s speech delivered last week at the Hay Festival in Mexico, was entitled “If religion was taken away I’d be happy”. In it, Soyinka condemned religious militancy and declared that now is the time to tackle Boko Haram, the Islamic militants who have been fomenting trouble in Nigeria.News Express recalls that Prof. Achebe in his war memoirs subtitled ‘A Personal History of Biafra’ accused wartime Head of State Gen. Yakubu Gown and his Vice-Chairman and Finance Minister, Chief Obafemi Awolowo, of carrying out genocide against Igbos. The claim has been generating a lot of controversy, with many Yoruba commentators accusing Achebe of twisting history.Source News ExpressPosted 16/10/2012 6:07:28 PM

http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=437&title=Soyinka-breaks-silence%2C-says-BIAFRA-%28Igbos%29-SUFFERED-GENOCIDE-during-civil-war


Even the independent reporter excellently captioned the report as "soyinka breaks silence , says BIAFRA (Igbos) SUFFERED GENOCIDE during civil war"

A neutral person even agree with achebe .

Why is the yorubas carrying this war discussion on their head instead of the north and beltans ?

You guys are making yourself unnecessarily enemy of the ibos.

You guys barely participate in the pogrom and the genocide called war but you are on the front to discuss it as if it's your personal war.
Are you not building a monster around you, even the beltans hardly argue with ibos in this subject.

Awake9ja:
http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=437&title=Soyinka-breaks-silence%2C-says-BIAFRA-%28Igbos%29-SUFFERED-GENOCIDE-during-civil-war


Even the independent reporter excellently captioned the report as "soyinka breaks silence , says BIAFRA (Igbos) SUFFERED GENOCIDE during civil war"

A neutral person even agree with achebe .

Why is the yorubas carrying this war discussion on their head instead of the north and beltans ?

You guys are making yourself unnecessarily enemy of the ibos.

You guys barely participate in the pogrom and the genocide called war but you are on the front to discuss it as if it's your personal war.
Are you not building a monster around you, even the beltans hardly argue with ibos in this subject.

shut up. how is soyinka neutral?
check your dictionary for a definition of genocide before throwing words around like you know their meaning.
Biafra was a WAR not a genocide.
in a war, you can surrender.
in a genocide, there is no surrender. a genocide is an ethnic cleansing. the jews didn't have any choice. neither did they start a war.
biafrans on the other hand started a war and refused to surrender when they had a choice. In the end they did, of course, after Ojukwu ran away to sierra leone.
if you choose not to surrender and fight to death. then that's a suicide not a genocide.
Why aren't we calling Iraq war a genocide? plenty are dying there.
check your dictionary fools.

Only in Nigeria will you fight a war and claim victim/genocide when you lose. duh people die in wars. that's why they're wars!! World War I alone had more than 40 million souls perish. why aren't they claiming genocide?
In fact, the losers were punished further and made to pay reparations!! You biafrans should be counting your blessings Ojukwu wasn't hanged for treason.

hardywaltz: On a serious note don't u guyz get tired of this whole civil war threads

because ur father have not told u they truth.

re@lchange:


show me one yoruba in nairaland that condemns the pogroms
even your top posters here like katsumoto and the like justify it

Most Yorubas were and are part of Nigeria. we strongly condemn biafra!! no question about that.
I don't know what kind of answer you are expecting.
you declared a war and expect us to throw a party for you or what?
war is brutal and you declared it. so deal with it!
40 something later, you are still whining. what losers.

Soyinka is a wise man, do you see were he name called anybody? No
Did he knew the truth? Yes
But he says it diplomaticaly .

What is there to defend? We did what we ought to do to defend our unity,
Yes what we did is too bloody but we have learnt our lessons, sorry that some group bears the pain
That is where i approved of sanusi memoir on the need to integrate the ibos among us and let go of this our war mentality.

The danger is, if the ibos become relevant again on the ground play of working it out themself , i pity for any tribe that will venture into breaking away.
The danger of putting your tribe as the front man and the defender of the war is? Automatically you are an enemy of the ibos and one day you will pay for it..

3million is not 300, let my yoruba bros please learn to keep mute on this war like the north does, like England,France and Russia does.
You guys are speaking more than necessary.

I don say my own make i dey go.

lagcity:
We the Yoruba condemn the pogroms against Ndigbo in the North. We also condemn the killing of First Republic leaders and the consequent jubilation by Igbo traders in the North.

+100

Awake9ja:

3million is not 300, let my yoruba bros please learn to keep mute on this war like the north does, like England,France and Russia does.
You guys are speaking more than necessary.

I don say my own make i dey go.

This is Nairaland. How many northerners do you see on nairaland.
if there were many of them here on nairaland, they won't hesitate to speak their mind.

what has england, france or russia has to do with this?

@ c.fours: 
shut up. how is soyinka neutral?check your dictionary for a definition of genocide before throwing words around like you know their meaning.Biafra was a WAR not a genocide.

The problem with we the young Nigeria's is that wd are quick to point fingers and insult people .

Read my comments again and tell me where i said that Soyinka is a neutral person? I said a neutral reporter. What is wrong wit you guys?
Ask yourself why is it that only yorubas always defending the war?

Heed my advice you are doing yourself a harm on this, you don't know tomorrow.
Desist from it pretend as others and lie low you loud mouth .

Even as many yorubas are defending it on NL many elderly yorubas are also doing the same on Nigeria daily,

Gowon has Kitts and kins but they choose to keep mute on the subject,

The core north are mentioned in the said book but they keep mute only few commented and cloose the page.

But why are yorubas online everyday and on newspapers everyday repeating the same thing as if they find it alone.

Just a piece of advice

Awake9ja:

The problem with we the young Nigeria's is that wd are quick to point fingers and insult people .

Read my comments again and tell me where i said that Soyinka is a neutral person? I said a neutral reporter. What is wrong wit you guys?
Ask yourself why is it that only yorubas always defending the war?

Heed my advice you are doing yourself a harm on this, you don't know tomorrow.
Desist from it pretend as others and lie low you loud mouth .

I, as a yoruba, am defending Nigeria... not the war. I am defending the unity of Nigeria. big difference.
I am proud to be Nigerian and proud Biafra was defeated.

"lie low you loud mouth"
typical trash coming out of the uncouth mouth of a clown.

The hausas don't have to say anything. They have no stake in the western world and they could care less about Achebe going about the US with his propaganda and sensationalism. Maybe Achebe should try publishing the book in arabic to the middle eastern world, then maybe you might see an actual genocide. anybody want to try it?

shymexx:

But did Yoruba people take part in the pogroms??

That's between you guys and those who committed the pogroms...

Yes, yorubas in Oyo state region.

Chyz*:


Yes, yorubas in Oyo state region.

get over it.
you shouldn't have declared a war in the first place if you weren't ready to accept your loss.
cry me a river. *whine* *whine*

Prof Soyinka is indeed a detribalized man of integrity and a rare example for Nigerians to emulate.

Chyz*:


Yes, yorubas in Oyo state region.

Provide evidence.

Awake9ja: Even as many yorubas are defending it on NL many elderly yorubas are also doing the same on Nigeria daily,

Gowon has Kitts and kins but they choose to keep mute on the subject,

The core north are mentioned in the said book but they keep mute only few commented and cloose the page.

But why are yorubas online everyday and on newspapers everyday repeating the same thing as if they find it alone.

Just a piece of advice

Well, Achebe and co seem to have a bigger issue with the SW than the North.

The North (both core north and middle belt) massacred them in large #s, but you will not hear as much criticism of them

ekt_bear:

Well, Achebe and co seem to have a bigger issue with the SW than the North.

The North (both core north and middle belt) massacred them in large #s, but you will not hear as much criticism of them

na fear dey catch them.
Yorubas are really gentle people and so they feel it's ok for them to wipe spit on our faces and we will stay mute. lol
let them try it with the north. they know exactly what they will get

those trouble makers.
trouble dey sleep yanga go wake am. that is the life story of the igbo people. lolwhat ever rocks their boat sha. they seem to enjoy it.

c.fours:


get over it.
you shouldn't have declared a war in the first place if you weren't ready to accept your loss.
cry me a river. *whine* *whine*

The only thing eastern nigeria declared was independence not war. by the way im not from the eastern region so shut ur mouth. And pls, lets not talk about crying a river because your Yoruba leaders have have been in dipers and sucking their thumbs for the past couple weeks now because of one man. Pathetic.

ekt_bear:

Well, Achebe and co seem to have a bigger issue with the SW than the North.

The North (both core north and middle belt) massacred them in large #s, but you will not hear as much criticism of them

You've only seen one quote from the book so how did you come to that conclusion? I guess it seems that way because you leaders,instead of being objective like the northerners and Igbos, came out ranting up and down, left and right, with points.

ekt_bear:
Provide evidence.

Google it. try google book even.

the burden is on you to provide proof, not for me to disprove.

you make the claim, you prove it