abubello:

I asked two questions instead of responding to them you are asking me another question!

Sweetnecta: @reyginus: do you know what it means to be obedience? reciting Quran in the language it was revealed, recited by the one who it was revealed to [as], recited by his companions [ra] in that language and the chain has not been broken since, including the styles of recitation is obedience.

there is always reward in obedience and it is the other side of disobedience that could result in punishment, at least rejection of said action.

listen to this recitation. per chance it may affect your heart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpJj0EUithQ

Sweetnecta: @reyginus: do you know what it means to be obedience? reciting Quran in the language it was revealed, recited by the one who it was revealed to [as], recited by his companions [ra] in that language and the chain has not been broken since, including the styles of recitation is obedience.

there is always reward in obedience and it is the other side of disobedience that could result in punishment, at least rejection of said action.

listen to this recitation. per chance it may affect your heart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpJj0EUithQ

maclatunji:

Simple, other Prophets were sent to a particular nation. Muhammad(SAW)was sent to the entire world. It is on record that he sent letters to major leaders of the ancient world asking that they and their subjects become Muslims after letting them know what the basics of Islam are. Arabic would naturally be the lingua franca in such a united nation of people globally who have submitted to the will of God. I hope this is not too difficult for you to understand. If God had chosen Muhammad (SAW) to be Yoruba and revealed the Qur'an in Yoruba, it would be the official language of Muslims. There is no biggie in this.

maclatunji: Simple response. Later you will say you have the most open mind. How does learning a new language translate to colonisation. Islam is unique, I can go into any mosque in the world and make the call to prayer in Arabic and it would be perfectly understood. Between what we have in Islam and what you propose, which is more efficient and easy to implement? Have you learnt of the tower of Babel? It's being a long time but your attempt at continuing the debate for debate sake is defeated by that story. Those building that tower had the same objective but what happened when their languages got mixed?

maclatunji: Simple response. Later you will say you have the most open mind. How does learning a new language translate to colonisation. Islam is unique, I can go into any mosque in the world and make the call to prayer in Arabic and it would be perfectly understood. Between what we have in Islam and what you propose, which is more efficient and easy to implement? Have you learnt of the tower of Babel? It's being a long time but your attempt at continuing the debate for debate sake is defeated by that story. Those building that tower had the same objective but what happened when their languages got mixed?

Logicboy03:

Guy, the tower of babel is a myth that doesnt even make sense.


God was afraid that men could build a tower up to heaven? Wouldnt they die of oxygen before reaching out of earth?

maclatunji:

Let me see things from your perspective. However, have you heard of moral instruction? Pick the moral of the story, people speaking different tongues will find it difficult to complete a project unless they adopt a lingua franca.

I agree that the presentation of the story in the Bible isn't exactly the best but the moral is quite clear for my purposes on this thread. You seek to show knowledge, I say apply wisdom.

God obviously cannot be afraid of his creatures. By the way, Moses' Pharaoh also had a similar project commissioned. Unfortunately, I don't know how well that turned out.

maclatunji:

This would actually be true if the Qur'an simply adopted what Jews said about their Prophets such as Solomon coveted another man's wife! Heck no, David (AS) did no such thing... He his highly respected by we Muslims as well as all the other prophets.

maclatunji:
In addition, there are references to other people that Jews never mentioned in the Qur'an such as Khidr who was a teacher to Moses and Luqman the wise.

maclatunji:
Christians say Jesus (AS) first miracle was that he turned water to wine, we Muslims reject this. If you say we have "appropriated" Jesus (AS). Tell us what we Muslims say is Jesus' (AS) first miracle that matches Jewish sources.

maclatunji:
There are other things involved here. Not only must you submit to God's will, you must not associate partners with God no matter how small you think it is. Ifa Priests see Ifa as a gateway to Eledumare. That's polytheism. Islam does not tolerate several gods or lesser gods that polytheists believe guide them to God. Read this again https://www.nairaland.com/1080985/what-did-not-know-islam#12646000

maclatunji:
Then again, you must accept the message of the current Prophet of your time. It would be futile for an ethnic Jew to claim to follow Moses (AS) during the lifetime of Jesus (AS) just as it is futile to claim monotheism and submission to God without accepting the message of Prophet Muhammad (SAW)at this time. God makes the changes and it is part of submission to him that we comply. #Simple

maclatunji: ^ On the contrary, you lack understanding. After the demise of Jesus (AS) his teachings became effective until the emergence of Muhammad (SAW). After him, there is no other Prophet, we all live under his era even if he is dead. We shall be judged based on whether or not we accept his teachings. You are just repeating the basic responses of most non-Muslims. Ask questions and then reject the answers.

You are always free to do that. Ours is to inform not to place belief in your hearts.

maclatunji: ^ On the contrary, you lack understanding. After the demise of Jesus (AS) his teachings became effective until the emergence of Muhammad (SAW). After him, there is no other Prophet, we all live under his era even if he is dead. We shall be judged based on whether or not we accept his teachings. You are just repeating the basic responses of most non-Muslims. Ask questions and then reject the answers.

You are always free to do that. Ours is to inform not to place belief in your hearts.

Logicboy03:




Jesus was never a muslim. This has been proven to you countless times. Jesus was a jew who lived with Jews and quoted Jewish scriptures!


Your definition of "muslim" is a disingenuous one done to cover up the facts. How can you say that muslim is one who submits to God?

Which god? The monotheistic Zoroastrain God?


Seriously, just confess that your religion makes no sense when it tries to surpass religions that it borrowed from

mazaje:

False there are so many prohets after Mohammed. . .Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormon religion is one. . .There are so many others. . . .

maclatunji:

LOL. We Muslims do not take the word "Prophet" literally as you are applying here. You can't understand, e pass your level.

Anybody can start any new religion, that doesn't make them a prophet.

maclatunji:

LOL. We Muslims do not take the word "Prophet" literally as you are applying here. You can't understand, e pass your level.

Anybody can start any new religion, that doesn't make them a prophet.

mazaje:

That is the muslim ploy to say that who ever woships one god is a mulsim. . .Were the ancient greeks that woship the only true god Zeus muslims?. . .What about the woshippers of Ifa?. . .Nonsense. . .

Logicboy03:



Majaze, were you a muslim before?

mazaje:

Yep. . .I was born into a muslim family. . . .

Logicboy03:


Did the muslim tutors or imams really teach that Jesus was a muslim? Or is this a new apologist doctrine?

mazaje:

Muslims actually believe that all the jewish propehts including Jesus were muslims . . .That is the only reason why they can accept the biblical stories as a part of the koran. They simply can't accept that they were jews since the same men were talked about in the koran as prophets of allah. . .

maclatunji: ^ On the contrary, you lack understanding. After the demise of Jesus (AS) his teachings became effective until the emergence of Muhammad (SAW). After him, there is no other Prophet, we all live under his era even if he is dead. We shall be judged based on whether or not we accept his teachings. You are just repeating the basic responses of most non-Muslims. Ask questions and then reject the answers.

You are always free to do that. Ours is to inform not to place belief in your hearts.

maclatunji: ^Ethnicity and religion are two different things.

Logicboy03:



who was talking about ethnicity?

mazaje:

He just keeps running all over the place. He hasn't told you if the those that worship the only true god zeus are muslims. . .

by davidylan(m): 5:23pm On Oct 28
Nah, i think (i know) the problem is rooted deep in islamic propaganda and delusion.

Your quote - Then again, you must accept the message of the current Prophet of your time. It would be futile for an ethnic Jew to claim to follow Moses (AS) during the lifetime of Jesus (AS) just as it is futile to claim monotheism and submission to God without accepting the message of Prophet Muhammad (SAW)at this time. God makes the changes and it is part of submission to him that we comply. #Simple

1. If it was futile of jews to claim to follow Moses during the lifetime of Jesus (actually they did follow Moses even after Jesus died)

then why is mohammad's case different?

He died over 1000 yrs ago and is still the "prophet of our time"?

Even though SEVERAL other prophets have come and gone after him?

2. There are plenty of monotheistic religions with submission to God as a central tenet... they do not accept mohammad either - for example judaism itself is built on those 2 tenets.

mazaje: ^^
This man has come again with his endless drivels that only make sense to him alone. . . .LOL!

Logicboy03:


Maclatrunji,

maclatunji:

It would be called a sacrilege in Nigeria. Just name him Jesus.You would learn there's a difference between Jesus and Joshua.