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Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by MrAnony1(m): 7:29am On Nov 16, 2012 |
wiegraf: Oh boy, na wa. Which kind style be dis. Abi na short story u dey write. I write some of the longer posts, but this one puts mine to shameWow, long post and I read through all of it but my friend, I really don't intend to argue this further because I see it ending in fruitlessness and I am a bit NL lazy to go into an argument that will feature long sermon after long sermon with neither of us budging. Of all you said however, one thing stood out to me that I think undermines your whole argument (and I have highlighted that). The moment you deny objective moral values, all morality becomes subjective and we can no longer determine good and evil with any certainty. The whole argument we are having here about whether homosexuality is right or wrong or any other such argument for that matter loses all meaning and immediately breaks down since we have no objective moral values. My whole argument rests on the fact that there are such things as are objectively morally good and objectively morally evil. Now you have denied this, we no longer have an argument but I will have you know that this also means that you lose credibility and can no longer be taken seriously whenever you say something or anything is good or evil because all you will be voicing is a subjective opinion. For instance I'll quote you here to show you what I mean: Keep your holier than thou to yourself brah (there is no such thing as "holier" if there are no objective moral values). Well, you're free to indulge actually, it's obviously not my place tell anyone what to do when they're not actively harming anyone (Without objective morality, what you consider to be harm is very different from what the next person might consider harm to be and more so, how is harm a bad thing whatever you mean by it?). But your god commits genocide, you have no problem with that.(there is nothing wrong with genocide if there are no objective moral values. It is just your subjective opinion that genocide is somehow wrong) Yet you have problems with consenting adults in a loving relationship because said god, whose existence hasn't been proven in any way, supposedly has issues with it? His ways are mysterious indeed.My comments in red are there to show you an example of how the meaning of the argument breaks down completely once you deny objective moral values. It just becomes two people arguing over nothing. As I always say; you can escape from any argument if you are willing to pay a high enough price. In this case, the price you have paid is to strip morality of all its meaning. Goodluck to you. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Kay17: 9:13am On Nov 16, 2012 |
Smartie gurl: You have all made your points/views nd beliv me, i got ur reasons, buh watever be the case you all got to realise and understand that Gays/Lesbeins ar nt normal people nd wil never be. So if you ar there nd u are a gay/lesbien retrace ur step cuz you got it all wrong, u hav either been decievd or lured into the act. The earlier u change nd become a normal human the better for you. From your Christian perception, its wrong. However you have no right or power to condemn a diverse and opposing act based on your dogma. That in itself is wrong |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by MrAnony1(m): 9:19am On Nov 16, 2012 |
Kay 17:Lol from what perception do you judge the "christian dogma" to be wrong? And what makes your own brand of dogma a more valid judge of right and wrong? |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Kay17: 9:19am On Nov 16, 2012 |
Though we moral values and codes are not universal, however we are still compelled judge morals by our standards of the time |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Okijajuju1(m): 9:21am On Nov 16, 2012 |
How is someone elses sexual preference a problem to you people biko nu?!! ![]() ![]() |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by MrAnony1(m): 9:25am On Nov 16, 2012 |
Kay 17: Though we moral values and codes are not universal, however we are still compelled judge morals by our standards of the timeShe is doing the exact same thing: judging morals by her standards of the time. Why are you denying her that right? What makes your morals more valid than hers? |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Kay17: 11:43am On Nov 16, 2012 |
In a time where there is an international declaration on the freedom of persons and freedom from discrimination based on ethnicity and sexual preference? In a time where homosexuality is seen as a legimiate desire? |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 12:26pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Kay 17: In a time where there is an international declaration on the freedom of persons and freedom from discrimination based on ethnicity and sexual preference? International declaration in which country? |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 12:32pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
fellis: ![]() Human rights? http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=37026#.UKYjneRWySo |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 12:50pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Ok. But in Nigeria where I live there is no tolerance for homosexuals and they get 14 years in prison is found carrying out homosexual acts. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 12:59pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
fellis: Ok. But in Nigeria where I live there is no tolerance for homosexuals and they get 14 years in prison is found carrying out homosexual acts. ![]() And you wonder why your country is backwards. Take a look at the top 10 peaceful countries in the world. All allowing gays to be free. Also, not surprising, no muslim country is among the peaceful 10 |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 1:57pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Logicboy03: So supporting homosexuality is what makes countries peaceful or what point are you trying to make? |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 2:03pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
fellis: That is clearly not my point and you know it. The point is that gay rights doesnt destroy the "moral" fabric of the society, contradictory to what many muslims and christians say. The other point is that supporting gay rights on a ntaional is a sign of human advancement. It shows that one is logically considering the pros and cons of gay rights to see that it doesnt harm the society in the long run and creates a diverse environment. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by MrAnony1(m): 2:11pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Kay 17: In a time where there is an international declaration on the freedom of persons and freedom from discrimination based on ethnicity and sexual preference?And when exactly did she suggest that anyone should not be free or that anyone should be discriminated against based upon sexual preference? Secondly, this is also a time homosexuality is seen as an illegitimate desire. It all depends on who is seeing. My question remains: What makes your point of view more valid than hers? |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Kay17: 2:59pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
fellis: Ok. But in Nigeria where I live there is no tolerance for homosexuals and they get 14 years in prison is found carrying out homosexual acts. Nigeria adopted the declaration. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Smartiegurl(f): 3:16pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Mr_Anony:u can ask him that again. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 3:29pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Kay 17:Did they? When last I checked they hadn't adopted it. http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/Nigerian-lawmakers-move-ahead-on-anti-gay-bill/-/1066/1619634/-/1306f7v/-/index.html |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by wiegraf: 3:58pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: All morality (again, maybe except one built around natural evil) is subjective. I'm willing to own up to it and address it, rather than cower in fear or give up and hope mythical beings and fairy tales have all the answers. It doesn't make my case any weaker. In practice that's how it's always worked anyways. And if you think a moral code built around a 'god' that has never been verified and has allegedly ordered genocide is a better option, I wouldn't be surprised if you thought driving into a wall was a good idea. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:16am On Nov 17, 2012 |
wiegraf: What's genocide? Just curious about how you define it. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:41am On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: Anonyism at play. You and Anony should be banned from asking silly questions. You no get dictionary? Your god committed genocide. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Segunagagu(m): 8:15pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Smartie gurl: Should they be killed? Should they be jailed? Should they be stoned? Should they be left alone? Should they be loved nd cared for? Should they be encouraged? Or should we pray for them? Wats ur opinion?Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 8:21pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Segun agagu: Do you believe that nonsense? |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:11pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Did He? Really, tell me how. You've aroused my curiosity. |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:15pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: @ bold. Did I give you an ere.ction? Now thats gay ![]() ![]() What do you call flooding the earth and killing people? |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:26pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Logicboy03: I think I'd call it "flooding the earth and killing people" . . . at least until I know who did it and why. ![]() |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:27pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: Anonyism at play here. How dubious of you |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:28pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Oh, I like you alright. Just not like that ![]() |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:30pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: You like me? Are you sure you wont sacrifice me to Yaweh? The last time I checked, Buzugee aka Obadiah was ready to tie me to a cross and flog atheism out of me |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:40pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Oh c'mon! What you gonna do next? Say that I'm Anony with another handle? ![]() I think it's simple really. Haven't heard you accuse the oceans of genocide despite the fact that tidal waves have in the last decade alone wiped out hundreds of thousands of human beings especially in a localized manner. ![]() Logicboy03: Lol. I solemnly promise that I won't do anything like that. I don't even need to, come to think of it. And no, I don't plan to tie you to anything and flog anything out of you. I just like you, I think you're silly-sweet. Like a baby. ![]() |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 9:47pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: You are not Anony but you use his techniques. Please, just call it genocide. I dont have strenght to argue. My thread on Abdulsleeks adventures sapped my strenght Ihedinobi: Why would you call me a baby? I fear you! Anyway, many people here unfortunately think that I'm the anti-christ! |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 10:01pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Well, you did name me his disciple. You not complaining now that I fit the role you assigned me, are you? ![]() ![]() Why would you call me a baby? I fear you! You're like one na. You throw tantrums for attention, pick fights that you always lose and cry pitifully when you take a beating. Geez! The more I think about it now, the more I just realize that I like you and want to take care of you. ![]() As for the antichrist thing, you do try. But you fail where it matters: in the heart. You're like a kid who ran away from home cos he didn't like having to eat veggies. Now he's starving and wants badly to eat those delicious-looking veggies but is afraid of looking like he made a mistake so he sits and whines like a puppy. ![]() |
Re: What Should Be Done About The Nigerian Gay & Lesbian Problem? by Nobody: 10:15pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: OMG....I am dying with laughter! Why does everyone think that I am some kind of teenager? You know what? I give up! ![]() Anyways, it makes no difference, I am always going to be an atheist. Its very difficult for an atheist to convert back |
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