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Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 5:03pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:what you are missing is this >>> the woman is not the church and the man-child is not the overcomers <<<<your own vain opinions |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 5:07pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
seriallink:the israel in that chapter is time specific. it is refering to the period of the abomination of desolation around 70 AD. at that point in time the only israelites were the lineage israel so it is refering ONLY to the descendants of Jacob. however when you get to REV chapter 14 onwards, then the gentiles who made it will be added to the house of israel and they will be the HOUSE OF ISRAEL. the gentiles get harvested and added to the fold in chpt 14. later fruits. |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 5:28pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: what you are missing is this >>> the woman is not the church and the man-child is not the overcomers <<<<your own vain opinions Ah, I see what I'm missing now! I'm missing how those passages said, "the woman is not the church and the man-child is not the overcomers". Wanna explain? |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by plappville(f): 5:57pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: the israel in that chapter is time specific. it is refering to the period of the abomination of desolation around 70 AD. at that point in time the only israelites were the lineage israel so it is refering ONLY to the descendants of Jacob. Romans 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 6:04pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:BRAH I JUST GAVE YOU PRECEPTS TELLING YOU THAT THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL AND THE MAN-CHILD IS CHRIST. WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS OVERCOMERS AND CHURCH STUFF ? THIS IS HERESY |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 6:10pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
plappville:YES THEY WERE GRAFTED IN IN REVELATION CHAPTER 14 VS 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. <<<< WHERE THE GENTILES WERE ADDED TO THE FOLD ? CHAPTER 12 IS ONLY LINEAGE ISRAELITES AT THAT PERIOD IN TIME OF 70 AD WHEN THEY RAN INTO THE WILDERNESS |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 6:57pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: BRAH I JUST GAVE YOU PRECEPTS TELLING YOU THAT THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL AND THE MAN-CHILD IS CHRIST. WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS OVERCOMERS AND CHURCH STUFF ? THIS IS HERESY Ah, but you see, I don't see that contradicting what I said at all, do you? |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 7:01pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:hmm lets see you said the woman is the church. ok i guess i see where you are coming from. israel is the church. ok lets see the next one. the man-child is christ. it may work for the woman being the church but i dont see how you want to equate christ with the overcomers. i give you one out of two |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 7:11pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: hmm lets see you said the woman is the church. ok i guess i see where you are coming from. israel is the church. ok lets see the next one. the man-child is christ. it may work for the woman being the church but i dont see how you want to equate christ with the overcomers. i give you one out of two Yesoooooo! The Church is the New Israel, the Israel of God of which the old Israel was only a type. And what is a Christian, brah? |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 7:17pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:i give you that. you are right. the church is the new israel. however the israel in chapter 12 is the old israel gotcha. what is a christian ? i dont know. someone who follows christ i guess new israel starts from when the gentiles are harvested in chapter 14 revelation |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 7:22pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
but you are right. the church is israel. like israel is called the temple in chapter Rev 11 vs 1 |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 7:37pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: i give you that. you are right. the church is the new israel. however the israel in chapter 12 is the old israel gotcha. what is a christian ? i dont know. someone who follows christ i guess Hmmmm.... If you don't know what a Christian is, we might have a slight problem. Okay, let's try this: look up Romans 8:9. Whacha think it means? obadiah777: but you are right. the church is israel. like israel is called the temple in chapter Rev 11 vs 1 Yes, the Church is the Israel of God, the Church is also the Temple of God. |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by plappville(f): 7:40pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: BRAH I JUST GAVE YOU PRECEPTS TELLING YOU THAT THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL AND THE MAN-CHILD IS CHRIST. The reason why i do not fancy the Church to be the woman is because, Christ gave birth to the Church, and the vision says the woman gave birth to a male child. I cannot see how the church can bring forth the male child.But if the woman is Mary or Isreal, this can match because they are the only two that can birth Christ. And if the Woman is the Church then the male child could be the overcomers. However, scripture gave us picture the conflict of the ages, between the descendents of Eve and Satan. We picture that John recorded the conclusion of events, which began in the Garden of Eden. Since Satan has been confined to earth, and becaus he knows his time is very short(3 ½ years), all he does is confronts Israel in a last ditch effort to stop his confinement. He assumes control the Antichris’s kingdom at the mid-point of the Tribulatio. When He (Satan)was expelled frm heaven, he incarnates the Antichrist who seemed to ve à final wound (Revelation 13:3). The resurected Antichrist enters the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and déclares himslf God démanding Israel and the entire world to worshi him(2 Thes. 2:4). Israel refuses to worship the Antichrist, who is now Satan incarnate. The Antichris is infuriated, against Israel and believers since he knows his tim is short and he must act quickly. Satan indwelling the Antichrist pursue Israel and attempts to exterminate the it, hopin to prevent the return of Christ, who ve promised to return when Israel acknowledged Him as their Messiah (Matthew 23:39). At this point God intervenes on Israel’s behalf, Jesus have warned Israel about this coming day of trial long ago. Jesus refering to the book of Daniel warned Israel, when they saw the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel to fléé to the mountains (Matthew 24;15-21). God literally opens the Mount of Olives, creating a valley, and providing a path of escape, for a remnant seed of Israel. There in the wilderness of Judah east of Jeruselem, God will supernaturally preserve and feed a select group of survivors for 1260-days or three and half years. Surviving Israel will come to terms with their Messiah and finally understand, Jesus Christ is their only way to salvation. She was given "Two wings" to fly, Israel was faced with a similar execution, in Egypt Then God intervened wit Moses, and Israel was led out of Egypt with God’s protection. This time Israel will again be supernaturally protected against Satan’s plan for their destruction. Exodus 19:4-6 4 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Myself. 5 'Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 'And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel." |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 7:41pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
romans 8 vs 9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. pretty much self explanatory. means you are guided by your spirit. the holy spirit in you which is the spirit of Christ and God. |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by plappville(f): 7:47pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. This prophecy will be fulfilled when Israel emerges from their supernatural protection to behold Jesus the rejected Messiah. |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 7:52pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
plappville:WHAT IHEDINOBI IS DOING HERE IS THAT HE IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A LOOPHOLE. WHILE HIS ANSWER IS WRONG, TECHNICALLY HE IS CORRECT. OF COURSE SAYING THE CHURCH GAVE BIRTH TO CHRIST IS LIKE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE WHICH MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. HOWEVER THE LOOPHOLE IS THAT THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL AND ISRAEL WAS THE CHURCH AND WILL BE THE CHURCH WHEN THE KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED. SO BASED ON THAT TECHNICALITY, WE CAN LET HIM SLIDE IN CALLING THE WOMAN THE CHURCH. HOWEVER THE ONE ABOUT THE THE MAN-CHILD BEING THE OVERCOMERS IS JUST WRONG. NICE LECTURE ABOUT SATAN AND HIS KINGDOM WHICH WAS CONFINED IN THE BOTTOMLESS PIT FOR A TIME ( HENCE THE WOUND ) AND THEN RE-EMERGES ( healed wound ) AND GOES INTO PERDITION. 1 Like |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 7:56pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
plappville: Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.ONLY THE 144,000 OUT OF THE TRIBE OF ISRAEL HAVE SUPERNATURAL PROTECTION. THE REST ARE GETTING JACKED UP DAILY BY ALL KINDS OF TRIBULATION AND AFFLICTION AS WE SPEAK 1 Like |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 9:03pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: romans 8 vs 9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. pretty much self explanatory. means you are guided by your spirit. the holy spirit in you which is the spirit of Christ and God. Does it really? Looks more like it says that only those who have the Spirit of Christ belong to Him and that such belong only to the Realm of the Spirit. The first part, that is, the part about those who belong to Christ, is the sweet spot. It's the definition of the Christian. The Christian is that human being who has Jesus Christ's Spirit. This actually means that the Christian is identical with Christ and what is true of Christ is true of the Christian. Therefore, if you like, you can call the man-child Christ and I can call him, "the company of firstfruits or overcomers" and we'd both be right. But you can never rightly say that the man-child is Jesus Christ in His distinct Person. Because obviously He wasn't caught up to His Father's Throne at birth, nor can Mary be described in the manner that woman was as ethnic Israel can also not be. obadiah777: WHAT IHEDINOBI IS DOING HERE IS THAT HE IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A LOOPHOLE. WHILE HIS ANSWER IS WRONG, TECHNICALLY HE IS CORRECT. OF COURSE SAYING THE CHURCH GAVE BIRTH TO CHRIST IS LIKE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE WHICH MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. HOWEVER THE LOOPHOLE IS THAT THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL AND ISRAEL WAS THE CHURCH AND WILL BE THE CHURCH WHEN THE KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED. SO BASED ON THAT TECHNICALITY, WE CAN LET HIM SLIDE IN CALLING THE WOMAN THE CHURCH. HOWEVER THE ONE ABOUT THE THE MAN-CHILD BEING THE OVERCOMERS IS JUST WRONG. Lolololol....... Splendid!!!! Where exactly is this loophole? In the Bible? Or in your personal theology? And who has the authority to declare me wrong? Can the person also declare how I am so? Because the Judge must also be the Wise and the Knowing. By the way, you should probably look at my last post. I edited it. 1 Like |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 9:59pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:AHHH I SEE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET OFF ON A TECHNICALITY AGAIN LOL. TALKING ABOUT THOSE WITH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST ARE THE OVERCOMERS. WELL BUDDY IN THIS CASE IT IS SPECIFIC TO ONE PERSON HOWEVER GREAT TRY AT TRICKERY |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 10:16pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: AHHH I SEE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET OFF ON A TECHNICALITY AGAIN LOL. TALKING ABOUT THOSE WITH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST ARE THE OVERCOMERS. WELL BUDDY IN THIS CASE IT IS SPECIFIC TO ONE PERSON HOWEVER GREAT TRY AT TRICKERY Lol @technicality. Think you're in a law court? Sure it's one person. Is the woman in that passage not one person as well? |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 10:28pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:THE WOMAN IS A COMPOUND NAME THAT ENCOMPASSES A TRIBE OF PEOPLE. ITS A GENERAL TERM USED FOR A GROUP. HOWEVER THE MAN-CHILD IS JUST ONE SPECIFIC SINGLE PERSON. NICE TRY THOUGH |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by plappville(f): 10:56pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: ONLY THE 144,000 OUT OF THE TRIBE OF ISRAEL HAVE SUPERNATURAL PROTECTION. THE REST ARE GETTING JACKED UP DAILY BY ALL KINDS OF TRIBULATION AND AFFLICTION AS WE SPEAK Are they different from the Woman that fled......? As the bible told us thata portion of Israel will be protected from Satan for 1260 days. Zechariah 13:8 informs us that 2/3 of Israel will be destroyed during this time but 1/3 will make it through, to the millenium. The survivors of Israel will re-populate the earth, where Jesus will rule over the earth with His saints. We see that this woman will be protected By Yahweh. Zechariah 13:8-9 And it shall come to pass in all the land,” Says the Lord, “That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it: I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, ‘This is My people’; And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’” |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by plappville(f): 11:10pm On Nov 17, 2012 |
obadiah777: THE WOMAN IS A COMPOUND NAME THAT ENCOMPASSES A TRIBE OF PEOPLE. ITS A GENERAL TERM USED FOR A GROUP. HOWEVER THE MAN-CHILD IS JUST ONE SPECIFIC SINGLE PERSON. NICE TRY THOUGH You are right, We can picture two "women" presented in the book of Revelation. And this article made mention of the two. One is the "great city" of the Gentiles [Revelation 17, 18] The other one is Israel whose "great city" is Jerusalem |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 6:52am On Nov 18, 2012 |
obadiah777: THE WOMAN IS A COMPOUND NAME THAT ENCOMPASSES A TRIBE OF PEOPLE. ITS A GENERAL TERM USED FOR A GROUP. HOWEVER THE MAN-CHILD IS JUST ONE SPECIFIC SINGLE PERSON. NICE TRY THOUGH Ah, this sounds interesting. How do you decide that the man-child is a single person, but the woman a group? What dictionary are you using? |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by ichuka(m): 7:26am On Nov 18, 2012 |
obadiah777: you are coming out of your own vain opinion now. precept must always be upon precept. this is the precept to the sun moon and 12 stars GENESIS 37 VS 9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? BIBLICAL STORIES ARE OFTEN SYMBOLIC AND ALLEGORICAL IN NATURE SO THAT THE SUN ALSO MEANS WISDOM, THE MOON MEANS UNDERSTANDING AND THE 12 STARS ARE THE HOST OF HEAVEN. THE POINT HERE IS THAT, BY PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT, THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL Dude,Joseph said he saw Eleven(11)stars not Twelve(12) or are you trying to add to the word of God. 1 Like |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 11:14am On Nov 18, 2012 |
i.chuka:joseph was the 12th star |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 11:16am On Nov 18, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:case closed. hear or forbear |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 12:03pm On Nov 18, 2012 |
obadiah777: case closed. hear or forbear Yeah, I agree!!! |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by ichuka(m): 1:52pm On Nov 18, 2012 |
obadiah777: joseph was the 12th starEhh! Then his sons are are star number thirteen abi?since they are also Jacobs sons. |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 5:16pm On Nov 18, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:GOOD SHALOM TO YOU BROTHER. NICE 'TEXTUAL TUSSLING' |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by Nobody: 5:19pm On Nov 18, 2012 |
i.chuka:ISRAEL THE FATHER IS THE SUN WHICH DEPICTS WISDOM, THE MOTHER IS THE MOON WHICH DEPICTS UNDERSTANDING AND THE 12 SONS ARE THE STARS OF HEAVEN WHICH DEPICTS RULERSHIP OF THE RIGHTEOUS KINGDOM THAT WILL BE ESTABLISHED ON EARTH |
Re: @i.chuka & Others Lets Discuss D Revelation 12 Woman And The Marian Apparition. by PastorAIO: 10:29pm On Nov 18, 2012 |
Hokmah and Binah. Malkuth is Kingdom. |
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