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Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by ZhulFiqar2: 12:08am On Nov 24, 2012 |
tiarabubu: Doesn't according to bible the devil poses as an 'angel of light'? And if you take census of the number of people Jehovah struck and killed and those killed by his prophets and followers in the bible,would you stop believing in God? I'm telling you those killing in the name of religion are not Muslims. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tbaba1234: 12:08am On Nov 24, 2012 |
^Address the issue at hand, We can talk about Islamic countries later... Stop running away from the topic... |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tiarabubu: 12:20am On Nov 24, 2012 |
tbaba1234: ^ Again proving my point, it does have religious and political roots, the same with most conflicts in the middle east..... You are talking of modern times ... You conveniently ignored the religious aspect. Joker Tbaba don't be like that nah? Are the Shias cowardly murdered in Pakistan having ANYTHING TO DO WITH HISTORY? Is Pakistan in the middle east? Is Afghanistan in the Middle East? Is Nigeria in the Middle East? Read again so you don't embarrass yourself. This is just this week and past; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20448565 http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/05/260017/genocide-of-shia-muslims-in-pakistan/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19280339 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20425510 For example, the murders in Pakistan has been described as approaching a GENOCIDE. Now tell me tbaba, have you EVER condemned this on Nairaland? Murders of fellow Muslims by Muslims? I would love to see a link. Its gut wrenching whats happening. Now I hope you get my point. Now where were we..... |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tbaba1234: 12:24am On Nov 24, 2012 |
^ First, you ignore the religious angle of the northern Ireland conflict. Then i talk middle east and you mention pakistan. Anything to get away..... Emotional arguments WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THE TOPIC |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tiarabubu: 12:27am On Nov 24, 2012 |
tbaba1234: ^Address the issue at hand, We can talk about Islamic countries later... Stop running away from the topic... Are you getting hot around the collar? I did mention earlier that the collective action of the Muslim Ummah (actively or passively) says something about the fundamentals of Islam and the irrationality of it. I am separating the issue of faith (and the challenges of drawing conclusions about it) and the mundane and this is dealing with the later. So we are on track..... |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tbaba1234: 12:30am On Nov 24, 2012 |
^ You have yet to defend your beliefs, I am waiting.. If you want to discuss sectarian issues , I started a thread for it before.. https://www.nairaland.com/931987/sunni-shia-sufi-arguments-destroying NOW FACE THE TOPIC!!! |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tiarabubu: 12:30am On Nov 24, 2012 |
tbaba1234: ^ First, you ignore the religious angle of the northern Ireland conflict. Then i talk middle east and you mention pakistan. Anything to get away..... We are talking of Muslims and you are bringing the middle east. Are Muslims only in the middle east? |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tiarabubu: 12:37am On Nov 24, 2012 |
Zhul-Fiqar.: Yes the devil does pose as an angel of light. Fortunately we, Christians have the new covenant as a standard for what Christianity is and stands for and explained quite clearly in the Bible (and mentioned somewhere here) so all those killing verses are not open ended and cannot be cited for backing up anything today. Quite clear. Are you telling me that the Wahabis (custodian of Mecca and Medina and whom you often accuse of influencing unacceptable things) are not Muslims?! |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tbaba1234: 12:38am On Nov 24, 2012 |
Do you play dodge ball?? You can't justify your beliefs rationally. You start talking about actions of some muslims, nothing to do with the topic, There will be opportunities to talk about that, no worries. From the foregoing, it is obvious that you can not defend the core beliefs of your faith. You try to avoid it by going on the offensive, this only happens when one concedes that he has lost an argument. Thanks for proving once again that the core beliefs of your faith are meaningless. Speak to you another time. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tiarabubu: 12:40am On Nov 24, 2012 |
tbaba1234: ^ You have yet to defend your beliefs, I am waiting.. We HAVE been facing the topic! Can't you see? Are you lost? I did mention earlier that the collective action of the Muslim Ummah (actively or passively) says something about the fundamentals of Islam and the irrationality of it. I am separating the issue of faith (and the challenges of drawing conclusions about it) and the mundane and this is dealing with the later. So we are on track..... wink |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tiarabubu: 12:42am On Nov 24, 2012 |
tbaba1234: Do you play dodge ball?? Hey come back here! Don't run! We ARE on topic! You brought up the "Irrationality" of the Christian doctrine of faith. I highlighted the flawed basis of your assumptions by showing you the capacity of God to fulfil those doctrines. I also showed the irrationality of Islam including the actions of some of its adherents which shows that it cannot be the straight path. Its now getting unbearable for you huh? Better come down to earth from this your pristine, nirvana-like assumptions you make of Islam and face reality. If you were in Bichi on Wednesday, or in Pakistan on Monday, or in Iraq last month you be more practical and be more forceful in preaching more tolerance and reaching out to the many that tarnish the image of Islam before the world. Your work is cut out. As long as some Muslims continue to use religion as a cover, and the vast majority keep silent, all your efforts at "Dawah" will be largely useless and a waste of time. I did mention earlier that the collective action of the Muslim Ummah (actively or passively) says something about the fundamentals of Islam and the irrationality of it. I am separating the issue of faith (and the challenges of drawing conclusions about it) and the mundane and this is dealing with the later. So we are on track..... wink |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tbaba1234: 12:58am On Nov 24, 2012 |
^ NO the topic was about the christian faith, you side-steped it without being able to defend your belief. Brought up emotional arguments about sectarian violence and ignored rationality. Trying to present an emotional argument as a rational one. What a joke?? This must be one of the most disappointing attempts at trying to be rational by you. You could have just ignored the topic instead of embarrassing yourself by playing dodge ball... Seriously. Bye. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tiarabubu: 1:13am On Nov 24, 2012 |
^^^^^^ But I ask how rational are these posers? I didn't side step. I asked about the rationality of Islam belief while giving answers to your assertion about "irrationally" of the Christian doctrine I merely expanded the first section of the above post which we discussed. All the nasty stuff in Pakistan and elsewhere are real and part of the rationality question. And that's part of my argument.How straight and rational is Islam if some of its adherents misbehave so? Its a legitimate question. its obvious it made you uncomfortable. But its real and so you have to live with it. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by Sweetnecta: 3:57am On Nov 24, 2012 |
@Tiarabubu: by tiarabubu: 11:30pm On Nov 23i am almost certain that tbaba will not use lower case H when he writes Him for God. If knowing about God i indicated by the H, then the capital H guy has my vote. Consider this; to an atheist, the existence of God himself is irrational!If atheist are not emotional, they should ask themselves if they or it is the theist who is closer to guidance. There must be guidance because even the atheist believe there is rationality at work in his life. If God is soo powerful, does he need a wife to "procreate"? shocked That position itself is stupidly irrational.what is the purpose for God to even procreate? human procreates because he will die and there is another generation to replace him on earth? Does God in heaven needs a replacement? In Christianity, God has no limit and nothing is hard for him.and according to the Bible Jesus was allowed to die. So is the concept of trinity impossible? Of course no; he is all powerful.Did Yahweh ever restricted Himself? Of course. He allowed the children of Israel to be massacred in Egypt and sacked several times, even almost annihilated before zionism took root. [quite]You can't use your human brain to rationalize God and say the concept of trinity is irrational.[/quote]Yahweh said in OT He is One. Jesus said God is One. The disciples said Jesus is the servant of God, sent to the children of Israel. If God is All Powerful and omnipresent, as the Quran says, and yet can't have a son without procreation, is the Quran not limiting God?God limits Himself in many cases. For example, He does not let judgment descend on the guilty until time. Patience by restriction was evidence in the case of tyrannical pharaoh. God even allows satan to live until after all humans so that each human may be judged by resisting or falling into temptation. But all this argument is based on faith and belief and will go back and forth forever. Lets look at mundane issues, shall we;human tragedy; England invaded Argentina because of er next door Fulkan Islands. What are the brits doing in latin america? Oh, the catholic in northern ireland were killing the protestants and England almost killed them all. Jerry Adam of Shin Feh was almost a gonna. Late sanator Ted kennedy raised funds for the irish resistant catholic. And that is the straight path?! No thanks.The jews rejected the path of their messiah. you reject the path of your another comforter, the "that Prophet" [sa]. What I am getting at is the foundation of belief.foundation of belief is the book not the adherents. The practice and actions of adherents reflects what those fundamentals are.not always especially if the practices and actions are different from what are on the pages of the boo where you will find the foundation. All your sugar coating Al-taquiyya will not cut it.al taquiyya is practices by some shia. is tbaba a shia? i doubt if lagosshia even practice al taquiyya. What further examples are there than what is happening today. By their fruits you shall know them.... remember?so prevalent homosexu.ality in christianity is now part of the fruits of christianity? or the ritualistic phenomenon within nigerian christians is now what christianity is? |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by Sweetnecta: 4:03am On Nov 24, 2012 |
i know many people who call me dad. I am truly their dad, including my step children, each of those i do not share blood or family heritage with? |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by Sweetnecta: 4:13am On Nov 24, 2012 |
@Tiarabubu: The christian sect considers and says Warren Jeff who is in Prison in Las vegas is God on earth. see how easy to say a human is God? I remember the branch davidian under david kuresh in Waco Texas. this was also their opinion. what about Jim Jones of Jonestown in Gayana in the 1970s? each of these people considered their leaders prophet and then God on earth who must be obeyed, not jut followed. i guess christianity i still evolving. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by maclatunji: 6:58am On Nov 24, 2012 |
tbaba1234: ^ NO the topic was about the christian faith, you side-steped it without being able to defend your belief. Tiarabubu, he is absolutely right. You know I am a fan of your debating prowess but you are failing miserably here. The reason this is happening is because you are trying to defend the untenable concept of trinity. Abandon it, and step up the ladder of enlightenment. You have so much potential but you are holding yourself back and that is a big shame for such an intelligent lady. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by vedaxcool(m): 7:12am On Nov 24, 2012 |
Wow thaba, nice "finishing". If you guys are expecting tirabuabu to answer any question about her faith, you are on a long wait for such answer reminding me of alithea whose best answer to any question about christianity is side stepping the issue and raising question about Islam, the only thing such tactics ends up proving is the unsoundness of the Chriatian theology! Any case thaba this was resounding "battery" and aggravated assualt! Abeg take am easy next time ooooo! |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tiarabubu: 8:06am On Nov 24, 2012 |
maclatunji: vedaxcool: Wow thaba, nice "finishing". If you guys are expecting tirabuabu to answer any question about her faith, you are on a long wait for such answer reminding me of alithea whose best answer to any question about christianity is side stepping the issue and raising question about Islam, the only thing such tactics ends up proving is the unsoundness of the Chriatian theology! Any case thaba this was resounding "battery" and aggravated assualt! Abeg take am easy next time ooooo! Sorry guys. If you read my posts, you would have realized the direction of the discussion. I know you are embarrassed by the actions of some of your Muslim brethren and don't want it highlighted, but since God's name is mentioned while perpetuating these heinous crimes, its gotta count somewhere in understanding the fundamentals of Islam and how it governs Muslim behavior. Sorry guys, its the hard, cold truth! Now consider this tiarabubu: ^^^^^^ |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by Sweetnecta: 2:16pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Sorry guys. If you read my posts, you would have realized the direction of the discussion. I know you are embarrassed by the actions of some of your Muslim brethren and don't want it highlighted, but since God's name is mentioned while perpetuating these heinous crimes, its gotta count somewhere in understanding the fundamentals of Islam and how it governs Muslim behavior.tiarabubu must accept her own logic that those who wear the cross and even shout Jesus and Jesus christ when they commit evils go the same way on the fundamentals of christianity and what is permissible by its holy text; stealing, killing, homosex.uality, all sorts of illegal se.x and acts. Sorry guys, its the hard, cold truth!we may grudgingly swallow it as the truth you thrust on us as soon as you accept what happens that we say is evll as the doer shouts Jesus and or a cross wearer. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by vedaxcool(m): 2:50pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
Sweetnecta: tiarabubu must accept her own logic that those who wear the cross and even shout Jesus and Jesus christ when they commit evils go the same way on the fundamentals of christianity and what is permissible by its holy text; stealing, killing, homosex.uality, all sorts of illegal se.x and acts. Haba!! Sweetnecta why must you hit so hard! Tirabuabu you see why playing dodge ball in simple discussion wouldn't help you? S-necta u forgot to add smoking marijuana with bible page |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by tintingz(m): 9:40pm On Nov 24, 2012 |
^^LOL! |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by smemud(m): 5:02pm On Jan 23, 2013 |
solbil: i just dont know why! Anytime you tell muslims that jesus is the son of God, they tell you something like; how can god have a son when he doesnt have a wife? To them, you can only have a son through biological means. But is it true that it is only through biology that one can become a son to another person?find urself a work to do |
Re: Why Do Muslims Fail To Understand Biology Is Not The Only Way To Become Father? by hadbak: 7:33am On Jan 24, 2013 |
solbil: thats what i hear from muslims. They would say: if jesus were son of god who then is adam?that's bcus you fail to understand that God demostrated His power of creation in the way he wishes. U insisted that jesus is d son of God which ur simply saying God fathered jesus(as) despite the fact that He made it clear in the quran that it was said to his mother "be n it was".. On the contrary,xtians r d ones who failed to realise biology is not d only way to father/parent a child.. they believe jesus shld have a father since mary 'his mother' gave birth without a man.. In the Glorious Quran, it was seen that Allah demostrated His power to create in every way..which in this way can be categorized as follows.. 1. No man, no woman in d case of Adam(as) 2. Man, no woman in d case of Eve 3. Woman, no man in d case of jesus(as) n lastly 4. Man n woman in case of human like u n me. With d above we came to d conclusion that jesus fall in d category of creation which makes it clear his not d son of God but was created by the leave n miracles of God.. |
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